Why are there so many stiffs in skiing?

its an issue with our culture. I dont get why you would even think of making a celeb a role model.

Is it maybe just that the site has aged and people are startin to look at things differently? all though there are people from all over we mainly fall into the white middle class sector which has certain expectations which comes along with it. Its also maybe the way some of it has been portrayed. In biking (the only other sport I follow other then footbal but we won't mention that) there are not articles and edits of the riders going out and getting hammered. So perhaps that ns is actually showing the fun side to this great sport people don't really know how to take it an tey resort to the "think of the kids" response.

But it seems to me the kids don't actually take any notice anyway, at least the ones I chat too. Most these days don't seem bothered by drinking they just want to ski instead. So I don't think we really have much to worry about.

Daddy he once told me,
"Son, you be hard workin' man"
And momma she once told me,
"Son, you do the best you can"
Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"

Being vanilla is so not core.

it's the pussification of America

1337Being vanilla is so not core.

I'm more of a vanilla chocolate twist,

But yes, I certainly have noticed a lot of people VERY concerned about these minor things. Shotgun a beer, or better yet, use a flabongo and life might just be a little more fun.

It all boils down to the fact that the average age of skiers is older than the average age of snowboarders. The age difference isn't as bad as it was a decade ago, but we have a lot more skiers in their 50s passing down conservative skiing advice to the younger generation than you would get in the skateboarding world. Look at Epicski or TGR or Reddit. Do forums with that, ah, "culture" exist for snowboarding or skateboarding? Does snowboarding have the equivalent of Ski Magazine to make readers aware of the horrendous dangers of wearing goggles under a helmet? No.

i think it's just people trying to put themselves on a higher pedestal than the pros that they're criticizing.

Completely agree Mr.Bishop good lookin

1337Being vanilla is so not core.

Being chocolate on the inside and vanilla on the outside is so core.

.Rybak.Being chocolate on the inside and vanilla on the outside is so core.

lol how the fuck do you work this image uploader. I'm going back to img tags

I agree with what you are saying about smoking, drinking, partying, etc. However, people who don't wear helmets because they don't think it looks cool are just being dumb. With you being a dad, when your son tries his first back flip and doesn't wear a helmet, because it is too "vanilla" and shit goes wrong. What are you going to think?

Not trying to pick a fight. I just think that there is some merit to caution. Ex. Drinking is ok, just don't go trying new tricks while being blackout drunk.

FigNewtonI agree with what you are saying about smoking, drinking, partying, etc. However, people who don't wear helmets because they don't think it looks cool are just being dumb. With you being a dad, when your son tries his first back flip and doesn't wear a helmet, because it is too "vanilla" and shit goes wrong. What are you going to think?

Not trying to pick a fight. I just think that there is some merit to caution. Ex. Drinking is ok, just don't go trying new tricks while being blackout drunk.

People can figure that out for themselves for fucks sake

posts the guy who blocked me from NS for "stupid troll attempt" because of a your mom joke..

cause skiing is for squares!!!!!

Im just going to leave this here.............

https://www.newschoolers.com/watch/614693.0/Guatemalan-Persuader--2003-

**This post was edited on Oct 9th 2015 at 11:40:55pm

Mr.BishopI've never heard the same kind of shit out of Snowboarding, Skateboarding.
.

Because lets face it, skiing is a sport dominated by upper class, rich white people. how many of them do you see skateboarding or snowboarding?

Lets fucking party

Agreed.

Unfortunately, its somewhat of a necessary evil.

Somewhat... I still fuckin hate em.

This is why days like gaper day are VERY important. Its easy to tell who is having fun out there and who isn't. Why erebody so serious all the time?? People need to go watch blizzard of aaahs and hot dog and movies like that. I bet if a modern day Seth Morrison arose he would get so much hate. Skiing has an unreal history of being reckless and FUN.

People care way too much about what other people are doing. It's just fucking skiing.

VANULARIm just going to leave this here.............


http://inspiredmedia.tv/episode/classic-movies/guatemalan-persuader/

highly appreciative

Mr.BishopI don't get it. Unless I'm way out of the loop, I've never heard the same kind of shit out of Snowboarding, Skateboarding, Music and basically everything other than church groups....

http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2014/09/02/the-andrew-reynolds-interview-2/

It also might be that the demographic of NS is somewhat young? I mean a lot of kids might think that drinking and smoking and partying is bad, because they haven't been exposed to it yet. I don't think most adult skiers are opposed to partying. It's part of the culture.

I just put on all my ski gear and shotgunned a beer so i could post it and call out all the stiffs, but it wont upload ;S

FigNewtonNot trying to pick a fight. I just think that there is some merit to caution. Ex. Drinking is ok, just don't go trying new tricks while being blackout drunk.

dub post: The only contest i won all year i was blackout drunk pbr, soco, and chocolate milk.

come to canada it's cold but we don't give a fuck here.

Lets just take it back to Hot Dog The Movie. I would like to walk into a bar dominated by shit faced skiers, girls flailing about without tops on, staying in trashy hotels, and making sexual innuendoes while catching rides from complete strangers, who they eventually fall in love with.


Is that not what skiing is all about?


I mean, I kinda wanted that to be my life when I was a young'n, now look where we stand.

Chubz.Lets fucking party

you are the man.

Mr.BishopSo what gives?

Doug, its because you can be a bad ass skier, have a fun life, and still be a positive influence on others. Being "core" doesn't mean that you have to forgo all responsibility. Its cool that you got to be around freeskiing when it was pretty much 100% composed of young men going through their rebellious stage, but most of those guys have grown up a little... maybe you should too?

Not really trying to hate because you have done so much for the sport that I love, but I don't think its good for you to be hating on people trying to promote safty, etc.

Some have values that they look to share with those who are a "pro" in the sport they love. I'm not saying those with certain values should chastise those who don't share them, but I don't you shouldn't be so quick to freak on those who do. I don't think it's a big issue if somebody looks up to another in the sport because they both share similar views (on helmets, drinking, smoking, etc).

Reverse the role...if all the pros were non-drinking/smoking helmet wearing skiers, wouldn't you look up to the one or two guys who weren't?

I'm all for letting people do what they want, but don't freak on those who don't share the same views as you.

I fucking love you Doug.
Thankyou

sharpskiyou are the man.

Tru

:P

I'm gonna wager a guess that because, while skateboarding and snowboarding have been born out of a rebellious counter-culture "let's party and do what we want" kind of mentality, skiing has always existed as an activity for the rich and conservative.
NS was born out of a similar response, but we're still all skiers. So in that way we have to put up with and are probably more exposed to what the more conservative skiers think about us. And they feel like they have a stake in what we do. You know, a dysfunctional family type of thing.
I bet that if more conservative "stiffs" were more exposed to snowboarding and skateboarding's pro/cultural core and felt like they had a stake in those sports they'd be vocal about it too. But I can imagine those sorts of people probably wouldn't bother getting into those sports in the first place.

Is not that there are stiffs in skiing, they are everywhere, people love to judge and to make assumptions from nothing.

THIS IS SO CORE

FigNewtonWith you being a dad, when your son tries his first back flip and doesn't wear a helmet, because it is too "vanilla" and shit goes wrong. What are you going to think?

You need some perspective on this comment.

First off - I was born in the '70s. Was a kid in the '80s. When you raced slalom, no helmets required. When you rode your bike, helmets weren't even a thing. I remember setting up jumps in the laneway behind my house as an extremely young kid - which were made with one board and a big log. I set up gaps regularly that were two of these - takeoff and landing - which were about one car length apart. Sent the fuck out of that shit on my crappy BMX bike with zero thoughts of a helmet and my parents cheering me on.

When it comes to my son - of course I want him to be safe. Without doubt. I will teach him the value of helmets (he wears one skiing now, as well as biking) and how that is the safest way to do things. I will highly recommend it.

However, when he gets to the age that he can make his own decisions, I'm not going to fight him on it. I'll teach him the logic behind protecting his head, but if he wants to send that backie without one... I'm going to let him do it. If shit goes wrong and he knocks his ass out... maybe he'll learn on his own that a helmet is a really good idea.

I don't wear a helmet. Never have. Still don't. Why? Because that is how I like to ski. You can judge me all day long, but its my decision that I've made as a responsible adult, and I'm sticking with it.
What I have a problem with is not accepting that people do bad things. The idea that you should not do drugs, not drink, wait for marriage to have sex, wear a helmet, etc.... is retarded. People do bad stuff to themselves, and we need to teach them that there are consequences to their actions vs. ask everyone not to do anything bad. It just doesn't work.

So yeah - if after skiing with a helmet when he doesn't have a choice - my son wants to ski without one - I'm cool with it. He'll need to learn that if he hits his head he's going to get super fucked up, and is going to either have to try to avoid that situation or accept the consequences of his actions.

johnblazeposts the guy who blocked me from NS for "stupid troll attempt" because of a your mom joke..

Dude, the only thing lamer than stiff is being stupid.

LynxNationLets just take it back to Hot Dog The Movie. I would like to walk into a bar dominated by shit faced skiers, girls flailing about without tops on, staying in trashy hotels, and making sexual innuendoes while catching rides from complete strangers, who they eventually fall in love with.

Andy Parry is a lucky man. You are awesome.

BrokenBonesIts cool that you got to be around freeskiing when it was pretty much 100% composed of young men going through their rebellious stage, but most of those guys have grown up a little... maybe you should too?

Who are you to define grown up? That is utter horseshit. Why do you want to take the fun out of life? If you're providing for your family, teaching your kids good values, and have a stable job... why do you need to act like a total stiff? You don't. Life past your 20's can be awesome, and you can be a very successful adult while doing it.

KevskiI'm gonna wager a guess that because, while skateboarding and snowboarding have been born out of a rebellious counter-culture "let's party and do what we want" kind of mentality, skiing has always existed as an activity for the rich and conservative.

I think you're really onto something here. Its like all the 'cool kids' in skiing just started snowboarding.
That is the problem in my mind though, whats the holdup? Like fuck it - we have two sticks on our feet and we want to have a good time. Why do so many people hold onto the lameness of skiing's past?

Fuck that shit.

From the Guatemalan Persuader: "FUCKIN' HOT DOG"

VANULARIm just going to leave this here.............


http://inspiredmedia.tv/episode/classic-movies/guatemalan-persuader/

I always wanted to see that movie as a kid. made it halfway and already watched 3 guys shit, and one guy piss on himself.

skiing was so core in 2003!

Cost and snowboarding scooped up those kind of people decades ago so you get Ned Flanders racer dads and their off spring having too dominant a place in the sport.

And honestly random people on the lift are often more chill if they board the 40 something year old lawyer bragging about how he can work from the hill when he takes a phone call is generally that tool who gets mad when you pass him on a catwalk.


Snowboarding starts to suck when you get over age 40 and you can't still send it the falls are hard and less avoidable unless you go really slow. Nice choice fuckface keeping both feet strapped in and doing something which is very easy to peak at with little room for progression... Even awesome 40ish snowboarders who shred and are basically skiiers on snowboards start to wish they skiied at that age. (And I love to board some groomers to change shit up but lifties know Im not one when Im rocking tight fit dynafit pants on a board.)


The best thing about skiing is its a lifelong passion of perfecting those turns and improving your technique. Next best thing is you can go fast as fuck while remaining totally in control unlike on a board.

Those are the people who are gonna grow up with a shitty office job, who hate their family and hope they die young.

soupskiing was so core in 2003!

Skiing is still core. Just gotta ignore the stiffs.

Fucking send it son.

I think it's because skiing comes from mostly upper class, well to do families versus skateboarders frequently come from working class, blue collar families where they were raised not to give a fuck about The Man.

Basically, skiers mostly come from pretentious families who's parents run the PTA.

Fucks all over 420 everyday bitches!!!!

Mr.BishopSkiing is still core. Just gotta ignore the stiffs.

Fucking send it son.

Or yell at/provoke/goad them when they say something to you. If they aren't patrol and are being dicks their role on the mountain becomes to get fucked with. Ski faster if you don't like someone blowing by you and coming close.

When Im crushing it and some slow ass person is in my way and taking up an entire trail or is clearly going to ski in my line I always give them a yell going past. On the rare occasion it happens to me and Im in a better skiiers way I don't get mad I apologize for fucking with them.


Honestly Im extremely tall so helmets are sketch when I tree ski on the east they make me blow by branches at full speed and not duck and stay low and I've only hit my head on shit when Im wearing one and being far more careless. Close calls of skiing into a tree happen far more with them on too.

True

Mr.BishopYou need some perspective on this comment.

First off - I was born in the '70s. Was a kid in the '80s. When you raced slalom, no helmets required. When you rode your bike, helmets weren't even a thing. I remember setting up jumps in the laneway behind my house as an extremely young kid - which were made with one board and a big log. I set up gaps regularly that were two of these - takeoff and landing - which were about one car length apart. Sent the fuck out of that shit on my crappy BMX bike with zero thoughts of a helmet and my parents cheering me on.

Definitely going to have to call you out on this one, Bishop. Take your rose colored glasses off, just because something worked in the past doesn't mean it wasn't dumb as hell. You survived largely unharmed, as did a lot of people, but if you think action sports is where it was in the 80's you're out of your fuckin' mind. People go faster, bigger, and get more tech now than they ever did - and at increasingly younger ages. Some of the kids I coach in elementary and middle school do crap that makes your homemade escapades look like wannabe posing.

That's just how the sport is now.

Mr.BishopWhen it comes to my son - of course I want him to be safe. Without doubt. I will teach him the value of helmets (he wears one skiing now, as well as biking) and how that is the safest way to do things. I will highly recommend it.

However, when he gets to the age that he can make his own decisions, I'm not going to fight him on it. I'll teach him the logic behind protecting his head, but if he wants to send that backie without one... I'm going to let him do it. If shit goes wrong and he knocks his ass out... maybe he'll learn on his own that a helmet is a really good idea.

So yeah - if after skiing with a helmet when he doesn't have a choice - my son wants to ski without one - I'm cool with it. He'll need to learn that if he hits his head he's going to get super fucked up, and is going to either have to try to avoid that situation or accept the consequences of his actions.

I am a huge fan of this sentiment. Allowing your son to make his own educated choices, and to then let him suffer the consequences and grow from them, is an awesome parenting style.

But let's talk about consequences for a second.

Have you met Kevin Pearce? Have you seen what his life was like after his accident? Did you know Sarah Burke, Sam Jackenthal, or a dozen other people who have hit their heads, with or without helmets, and have died or suffered extremely adverse effects for it?

Letting your son off the leash to have some fun and to learn or grow is a wonderful concept, but are you really prepared for what might happen if you don't learn from the rest of the community who are in the same position you're in? Of course you're not ready. You can't prepare for this kind of shit.

Mr.BishopI don't wear a helmet. Never have. Still don't. Why? Because that is how I like to ski. You can judge me all day long, but its my decision that I've made as a responsible adult, and I'm sticking with it.
What I have a problem with is not accepting that people do bad things. The idea that you should not do drugs, not drink, wait for marriage to have sex, wear a helmet, etc.... is retarded. People do bad stuff to themselves, and we need to teach them that there are consequences to their actions vs. ask everyone not to do anything bad. It just doesn't work.

As an adult you can decide to do whatever dumbass thing you want. That's why we're all skiers. We're dumbasses. Wear a helmet, don't wear a helmet; chug beers on gaper day doing side-by-side backies with your bros, get up at 4am to climb a mountain for some fresh tracks by yourself because you don't have any friends, drop a double-cork whatever on to a rail, whatever dumb idea you want to do - that's your thing.

People do bad things, and generally, that's okay.

But let's look at your list.

>Not do drugs, not drink

We talking marijuana? Alcohol? Let's not kid ourselves and pretend underage drinking/drug use, or drinking/smoking to excess, is exactly something that should be respected. Are kids 18+ going to end up just fine if they smoke? Yeah, probably. Should we be encouraging it more than we already do? Hell no. I'm tired as hell hearing about how many blunts some little kid smokes every day on the hill, do you really want our culture to be built purely on idiot kids doing idiot things? We can do better than that.

How about harder shit? Once you walk in on your brother practically lifeless in his bed when he should be driving you to school, wondering if the ambulance will get there in time, you change your stance on where the line between 'responsible people making bad decisions' and 'fucking stupid, irresponsible and selfish behavior' is.

>wear a helmet

Not wearing a helmet, at this point, is just people raging against the 'norm' and trying to find some way to stand out when they're own character isn't enough. I get it if you just chill and stick well within your ability range and generally aren't in danger of hitting your head - I get it. Personally I wear mine all the time, but I understand not wearing one if you're just out for fun and your feet aren't really leaving the ground.

But there is literally no good reason not to wear one when in the park, or skiing trees, or dropping shit in fresh snow, or when generally going hard trying to impress that girl who'll never like you anyways. There really isn't. "Oh, if you hit a tree or a rock under the snow your helmet wouldn't save you anyways". Bullshit, go fuck yourself. "You know there really isn't any data supporting that helmets protect you from concussions". Bullshit, go fuck yourself. "I don't do hard tricks really, I'll never hit my head". Bullshit, go fuck yourself.

People do bad things to themselves, but sex before marriage? Come the fuck on, Bishop. You have to test the boat before you set out to sea, everyone in their right mind knows that. You've got to be fuckin' with people here, you can't honestly believe this shit after all the crap our sport, and our community, has gone through over the years. Our sport, and the other sports we all do, are dangerous as fuck. Stupid as fuck. We do them for entirely selfish reasons. We do it because we have the curse of humanity. And knowing how dumb, selfish, and terrible our own decisions are we should absolutely be teaching our kids that making 'bad decisions' is okay and a part of growing up.

We should absolutely be teaching our kids that making mistakes is okay and a part of growing up.

But there's a line to be drawn between the bad-boy shit we respect and the tough-guy shit we don't. I don't want our culture built purely around immature shit. I don't want some kid better suited to xbox live and a microphone getting himself wrecked because some crusty dude is telling him to throw a backflip because, "you have to live a little". We can be responsible about having a good time. We can be aware of our choices, and we can choose what we respect.

I get your position, Bishop. I get it and I even agree with some of it - I'm not a crusty old fart yelling at kids to slow down or whatever. I just don't respect it.

Never looked at it this way, now I know why all my friends snowboard because we are bad people in the eyes of most skiers. But fuck it we are having a lot more fun.

Drinkin and skiing and smokin and skiing

There are lots of stiffs in skiing because, as has been said a number of times already, people who ski generally come from privileged white conservative christian backgrounds where these things are frowned upon.

Of course I'm employing quite absolutist logic here but for the majority of people this is the case.

It's our job as adults to respond to these kids who say "is Bishop/whoever really setting a good example here by doing x?" by trying to get them to question their own beliefs. Why do you think it's wrong to drink/smoke? Why do you wear/not wear a helmet? et cetera.

TL;DR rich immature children who haven't been taught critical thinking are the reason there are stiffs in skiing.

But, you know, that's just like, my opinion, man.

SchmaelzleHave you met Kevin Pearce? Have you seen what his life was like after his accident? Did you know Sarah Burke, Sam Jackenthal, or a dozen other people who have hit their heads, with or without helmets, and have died or suffered extremely adverse effects for it?

Letting your son off the leash to have some fun and to learn or grow is a wonderful concept, but are you really prepared for what might happen if you don't learn from the rest of the community who are in the same position you're in? Of course you're not ready. You can't prepare for this kind of shit.

Was friends with Sarah, and she was wearing a helmet. What is your argument on this point? Helmets are good, or accidents happen?

Of course I'm not prepared for an accident - nobody is. I don't want anyone to die - and I mourn the loss of our fallen brothers and sisters every single day.

I never want to see my family hurt, but the only way to completely eliminate harm would be to live in a padded bubble every day of your life and never exit your house. That isn't life, and I would not wish complete isolation on anyone I know or love.

I mean really, who could possibly be ready for an accident? Its the very nature of an accident... you weren't expecting it.

Statistically the most dangerous thing most of us do is get into the car in the morning. Should you stop driving because there's a pretty high chance all things considered that you're going to die?

SchmaelzleI get your position, Bishop. I get it and I even agree with some of it - I'm not a crusty old fart yelling at kids to slow down or whatever. I just don't respect it.

I mean its all good man. I respect your position, I simply don't agree with the coddling of the youth that people like you seem to feel we all have to do.

Let the kids live a little.