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There's life on Mars.

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sampsihoyos
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This week's announcement of flowing water means it has been present subsurface and liquid for probably billions of years.

NASA's orbiting probes equipped with spectrometers have been detecting annual methane come and go with no clue where it originates. Methane disappears in space, and in the Mars summer season there's methane on the surface. Methane is highly associated with life as a byproduct of breaking down food and wouldn't appear in regular annual cycles with no relation to the sun if it were geological. Boom.

Where's your God now?

Discuss.
Oct 1 2015 10:53PM
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yungcigsmoker
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Life on Mars doesn't disprove God's existence but neato bud
Oct 1 2015 10:56PM
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sampsihoyos
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Just the Koran and the bible then. Jesus and Muhammad
Oct 1 2015 11:04PM
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.FRY.
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yet mars has no atmosphere...boom
Oct 1 2015 11:17PM
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deleted5
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Prototype_1Life on Mars doesn't disprove God's existence but neato bud


I think it does, I think the whole point of the Bible is that God created man and the world in His perfect image, hence the earth being the center of the universe. This completely disproves that by showing theres other life out in the universe the Bible talks nothing about outside our planet. It would be a very long stretch to take out and ignore and rewrite sections of the Bible.
Oct 1 2015 11:23PM
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yungcigsmoker
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nocturnalI think it does, I think the whole point of the Bible is that God created man and the world in His perfect image, hence the earth being the center of the universe. This completely disproves that by showing theres other life out in the universe the Bible talks nothing about outside our planet. It would be a very long stretch to take out and ignore and rewrite sections of the Bible.


No where in the Bible does it say we are the only world created by God.
Oct 1 2015 11:50PM
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DrZoidberg
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You know there's other (non biological) ways to make methane, right op? Nasa even said something about that in one of their articles.
Oct 1 2015 11:57PM
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JAHpow
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Prototype_1No where in the Bible does it say we are the only world created by God.


Or that it's at the center of the universe.
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came to post this song. Still will post the song.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/785381/David-Bowie---Life-On-Mars-
Oct 2 2015 12:20AM
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deleted5
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JAHpowOr that it's at the center of the universe.


Or that the earth is flat........or that man was made in God's perfict image and it does by stating the Garden of Eden was we're all human life begins......
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.Fryyet mars has no atmosphere...boom


this is not a thread you should take seriously.
Oct 2 2015 12:58AM
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APunx176
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nocturnalI think it does, I think the whole point of the Bible is that God created man and the world in His perfect image, hence the earth being the center of the universe. This completely disproves that by showing theres other life out in the universe the Bible talks nothing about outside our planet. It would be a very long stretch to take out and ignore and rewrite sections of the Bible.


Doesn't it depend on what religion you are? Idk, but I found this little section of an article and it might be of use to some of you

"The Bible does not explicitly confirm or deny the existence of intelligent life from other planets. Although the subject is not addressed explicitly, the Bible teaches implicitly that the only things He created with intelligence are the angels, man, and the animals.

It is important to remember that the stars and planets were not created billions of years before Earth. According to the Bible, Earth is not the result of billions of years of stellar evolution during which many other planets were created. Earth was created before any other planet or star existed. Earth came into existence on the first day of Creation"
Oct 2 2015 1:03AM
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APunx176.

It is important to remember that the stars and planets were not created billions of years before Earth. According to the Bible, Earth is not the result of billions of years of stellar evolution during which many other planets were created. Earth was created before any other planet or star existed. Earth came into existence on the first day of Creation"


We know that's not true, check mate move along.
Oct 2 2015 1:47AM
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deleted5
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Prototype_1No where in the Bible does it say we are the only world created by God.


Of course not I'm sure it won't be brought up until we discover it. Because you know if our all powerful God wrote a book written by his word of mouth. I'm sure he wouldn't bring up other planets and forms of life he created. Which again is weird because he said he created man in his image. Yet their may be more forms of life that's not "man" Probably best to just kept all of his creations in the dark about it.
Oct 2 2015 1:53AM
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APunx176
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nocturnalWe know that's not true, check mate move along.


Well yeah. It's not what I think though, I'm an atheist. I was just quoting an article from the internet.
Oct 2 2015 2:03AM
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miroz
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Finding other life in the universe will not convince people that there is no god until that life starts kicking the shit out of humans OR it teaches us what happened before the big bang and how our universe came to be.
Oct 2 2015 5:21AM
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yungcigsmoker
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APunx176Doesn't it depend on what religion you are? Idk, but I found this little section of an article and it might be of use to some of you

"The Bible does not explicitly confirm or deny the existence of intelligent life from other planets. Although the subject is not addressed explicitly, the Bible teaches implicitly that the only things He created with intelligence are the angels, man, and the animals.

It is important to remember that the stars and planets were not created billions of years before Earth. According to the Bible, Earth is not the result of billions of years of stellar evolution during which many other planets were created. Earth was created before any other planet or star existed. Earth came into existence on the first day of Creation"


You know you're not suppose to read that passage literally.
Oct 2 2015 6:15AM
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JAHpow
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nocturnalOr that the earth is flat........or that man was made in God's perfict image and it does by stating the Garden of Eden was we're all human life begins......


I bet you didn't know that twice in the Bible it is implied that the earth is round.
Oct 2 2015 7:13AM
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JAHpow
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APunx176It is important to remember that the stars and planets were not created billions of years before Earth. According to the Bible, Earth is not the result of billions of years of stellar evolution during which many other planets were created. Earth was created before any other planet or star existed. Earth came into existence on the first day of Creation"


Well that's not true...
Oct 2 2015 7:45AM
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Bogs
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Prototype_1You know you're not suppose to read that passage literally.

Love this argument. Non Judeo-Christian people: "Here, look, the Bible says something that's blatantly untrue." Judeo-Christians: "Well, uhh, obviously that part isn't supposed to be taken literally, duh."

How do you know which parts of the Bible are and are not supposed to be taken literally? Is there a separate book that specifies which parts of the bible are supposed to be taken literally and which parts aren't? And why in the hell would the people who wrote it put it in there in the first place if it wasn't supposed to be taken literally? What is the point of that? To make it as hard as possible to figure out how to live the way God intended us to live and be good people? Did all the people who wrote it think it would be funny to put stuff in there that wasn't supposed to be taken seriously just to fuck with the people reading it thousands of years in the future?

Makes no sense to me why Christians can't just say there are parts of the Bible that are just wrong, and instead try to cover it up using words like "allegory" and phrases like, "you know you're not suppose to read that passage literally."
Oct 2 2015 8:53AM
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Young_patty
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nocturnalYet their may be more forms of life that's not "man"


What do you mean there might be forms of life that aren't man? Ever seen a fucking fish? Is that man?!
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crotchvent
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Young_pattyWhat do you mean there might be forms of life that aren't man? Ever seen a fucking fish? Is that man?!


I think he was referring to other things that are on the same or higher intelligence level as man that are on a different planet.
Oct 2 2015 11:18AM
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Kazabazua
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There's only one thing it could be - Invisible Aliens farting.
Oct 2 2015 11:18AM
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JAHpowI bet you didn't know that twice in the Bible it is implied that the earth is round.


Really because it states God grab the earth by four corners.
Oct 2 2015 12:01PM
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man are you a scientist or some shit? you should call NASA and warn them, they'll probably give you a job and make you head of the department
Oct 2 2015 12:05PM
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JAHpowI bet you didn't know that twice in the Bible it is implied that the earth is round.


Also I just looked it up circles are flat and spheres are round....... so not only does it not imply that the earth is round but the Bible also contradicts itself yet again.
Oct 2 2015 12:07PM
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tittyboi
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The Bible is a story just like most other origin stories passed down by humans. I bet thousands of years from now it will be looked at the same way we (white westerners) view indigenous beliefs on how the universe and man kind appeared.

People can believe whatever they want. But what gets me are religious people who strictly follow Christianity (especially Catholics - they're the worst) and are wicked uptight about certain components of the Bible, then flexible on others. Catholics seem to argue they see the one true interpretation of the Bible and how they adhere to founding principles as the Bible was written thousands of years ago. But for some reason, modern day science and technology can somehow allow them to slightly change this interpretation???

I worked with a Catholic gal this summer who kept telling me God is "everything" the universe, and has always been and will always be. Great. Tell me Catholics hundreds of years ago would accept that before we discovered the Big Bang Theory, Evolution, and accurate measures of dating the universe, Earth, and life on Earth. Therefore you just completely invalidated your guiding principle of adhering to the strict version of an interpretation as it was meant to be centuries ago.

Dispirits who claim we gotta stick to basic, early principles and not deviate...then realize how dumb that is as human knowledge expands, then selectively choose what parts they are more lenient on. Religious hypocrites, fuck off!
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Oct 2 2015 12:37PM
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ImNotARacist
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nocturnalI think it does, I think the whole point of the Bible is that God created man and the world in His perfect image, hence the earth being the center of the universe. This completely disproves that by showing theres other life out in the universe the Bible talks nothing about outside our planet. It would be a very long stretch to take out and ignore and rewrite sections of the Bible.


nocturnalOr that the earth is flat........or that man was made in God's perfict image and it does by stating the Garden of Eden was we're all human life begins......


I noticed you are describing the Christian God and denote god based on one single group of ancient writings.

Since you are a skeptic of God would it not make sense to study all religions that speak of God? Not just one writing from one group of people? Since you know that evolution exists wouldn't it make sense to examine God within the context of evolution?
Oct 2 2015 1:33PM
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_Fluffy_I noticed you are describing the Christian God and denote god based on one single group of ancient writings.

Since you are a skeptic of God would it not make sense to study all religions that speak of God? Not just one writing from one group of people? Since you know that evolution exists wouldn't it make sense to examine God within the context of evolution?


Sure give me a second while I read about Zeus and Poseidon
Oct 2 2015 2:17PM
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ImNotARacist
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So much retard in this thread
Oct 2 2015 2:38PM
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profa_212
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nocturnalSure give me a second while I read about Zeus and Poseidon


Not really sure why you are being such a douche in this thread. People have different beliefs than you....get over it. I'm Christian and I hope we find life on other planets. That would be amazing. Nowhere does it state that we are the only life. Nowhere does it state that more life can't be out there.
Oct 2 2015 3:46PM
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humpty
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This is just like, my opinion, man

So i was wondering... Everyone says that life associates around water, you need water to live, which is true, but... What if another life form say uses methane gas to breathe, instead of oxygen. What if there is a life form that can withstand temperatures of hundreds of degrees or hundreds below zero. What if they can live with no atmosphere. What the hell am i typing
Oct 2 2015 4:41PM
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Profahoben_212Not really sure why you are being such a douche in this thread. People have different beliefs than you....get over it. I'm Christian and I hope we find life on other planets. That would be amazing. Nowhere does it state that we are the only life. Nowhere does it state that more life can't be out there.


Yes but imagine we get the DNA of this other life and find out we're related to it. That would mean we didn't actually come from Earth and I'm pretty sure that would disprove Christianity.
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miroz
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humptyThis is just like, my opinion, man

So i was wondering... Everyone says that life associates around water, you need water to live, which is true, but... What if another life form say uses methane gas to breathe, instead of oxygen. What if there is a life form that can withstand temperatures of hundreds of degrees or hundreds below zero. What if they can live with no atmosphere. What the hell am i typing


All possible. If you accept the theory that life started in the ocean after millions of sequential molecular associations, you can imagine that on a planet with completely different environments, those molecules could be wildly different, leading to unimaginably different life. Like, beyond our imagination. A pretty standard example I've heard is substituting silicon for carbon as the backbone of alien 'organic' matter...
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nocturnalYes but imagine we get the DNA of this other life and find out we're related to it. That would mean we didn't actually come from Earth and I'm pretty sure that would disprove Christianity.


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APunx176
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Prototype_1You know you're not suppose to read that passage literally.


wtf are you talking about. I didn't say I believed it, I literally wasn't stating my opinion at all

JAHpowWell that's not true...


yeah i know...
Oct 2 2015 6:01PM
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Profahoben_212Not really sure why you are being such a douche in this thread. People have different beliefs than you....get over it. I'm Christian and I hope we find life on other planets. That would be amazing. Nowhere does it state that we are the only life. Nowhere does it state that more life can't be out there.


Yes not facing scientific fact, you know there are people on this earth that still believe in Zeus and Poseidon.
Oct 2 2015 9:14PM
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miroz
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nocturnalYes not facing scientific fact, you know there are people on this earth that still believe in Zeus and Poseidon.


Though science may suggest that god does not exist, it does not prove it. This debate falls under "trans-science."

This paper is by one of the most important and influential scientists in American history. If you want to get a better idea of the roles that scientists and science should play in society, this is a good place to start. A good reality check for people who are too convinced of their beliefs.

http://www.quantamike.ca/pdf/Weinberg-Minerva.pdf
Oct 2 2015 9:32PM
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mirozThough science may suggest that god does not exist, it does not prove it. This debate falls under "trans-science."


I have to prove that something doesn't exist? That's not how claims work.
Oct 2 2015 9:38PM
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DrZoidberg
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Spagett+came to post this song. Still will post the song.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/785381/David-Bowie---Life-On-Mars-


I've never actually seen the video for that song. That was... Interesting.

That is all. Please resume arguing below this post.
Oct 2 2015 9:42PM
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You could also consider the idea that maybe non carbon forms of life exist and thrive on the planets that we consider inhabitable due to no atmosphere, water,etc... Who fucking knows what is really possible and out there... we have a tiny glimpse and we still know jack. I'm sure government bodies cover up many unfathomable discoveries along with our already limited knowledge.
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miroz
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nocturnalI have to prove that something doesn't exist? That's not how claims work.


Burden of proof is an argument of its own, but if you're going to say that scientific fact disproves the existence of god, you need to substantiate that.
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Hail satan
Oct 2 2015 10:56PM
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mirozBurden of proof is an argument of its own, but if you're going to say that scientific fact disproves the existence of god, you need to substantiate that.


It disproves the Christian Bible is what I meant. Not every religon ever, but at the same time it is implied because none of those religions have ever proven to be real. So there's no need and for me disproving something that's never been proven.
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nocturnalIt disproves the Christian Bible is what I meant. Not every religon ever, but at the same time it is implied because none of those religions have ever proven to be real. So there's no need and for me disproving something that's never been proven.


It's hard to take you seriously because Genesis does not equal the bible. The bible is a collection of many books written throughout time by many authors.

The stuff in Genesis doesn't discredit the writings of King Solomon, for example.
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I hope so i wanna fuck an alien
Oct 2 2015 11:45PM
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profa_212
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nocturnalYes but imagine we get the DNA of this other life and find out we're related to it. That would mean we didn't actually come from Earth and I'm pretty sure that would disprove Christianity.


nocturnalI have to prove that something doesn't exist? That's not how claims work.


1) why does that disprove god? Who says we couldn't be related to other life? Never said that the garden of eden was on earth that I know of.

2) but your claim was saying it was a fact. So yes...you do need prove if you are saying they are facts.

Whether you like it or not....nothing has disproven God....not sure why you get so butthurt about it.
Oct 2 2015 11:51PM
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Profahoben_2121) why does that disprove god? Who says we couldn't be related to other life? Never said that the garden of eden was on earth that I know of.

2) but your claim was saying it was a fact. So yes...you do need prove if you are saying they are facts.

Whether you like it or not....nothing has disproven God....not sure why you get so butthurt about it.


There's no proof of God so you're using gap of knowledge fallacy, and I don't need to prove anything you need to show me proof that I can't refute. Not butthurt about it at all, religious people are dying breed with in a 100 years religon will be a minority.
Oct 3 2015 1:13AM
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profa_212
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nocturnalThere's no proof of God so you're using gap of knowledge fallacy, and I don't need to prove anything you need to show me proof that I can't refute. Not butthurt about it at all, religious people are dying breed with in a 100 years religon will be a minority.


I get ya. I can't see the future. So maybe you are right...maybe you arent. Who knows we will see I geuss. Christianity is right for me....not for you. I believe in a god. You don't.
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