Another mass shooting

urbanjibOk, so I am pro-gun, but understand the resistance against them due to what is going on.

This is literally so tragic...

But WHY is this all happening now? You used to be able to walk in a hardware store and buy a gun, be able to take your rifle to school before youd go hunting. So why has it started to increase so much in the late 2000s?

Glorification on social media? ( not so much in a good way, but a way for someone whos no one, to become someone)

theBearJewhttp://www.candidslice.com/killer-posted-warning-on-4chan-hours-before-umpqua-community-college-massacre/

What the fuck. People on the internet are so fucked. How can you tell someone to do that shit, not only tell them to do it, but give advice. What the fuck is wrong with people. The internet is not some make believe world where what you say doesn't matter. It does. Fuck man.

MinggI don't know the backstory but I really don't think people thought he was serious. This is the only forum I've ever used so maybe I'm just (unintentionally) ignorant. I just don't think people could possibly have said those things if they thought he was actually going to do what he did...

JahFeelsCheck out the thread the shooter made on 4chan. Followed by a bunch of kids waiting for op to deliver. He did.

iFlipThat is so incredibly fucked up. He was literally the one in a million internet troll who wasn't trolling. I sincerely hope that 4chan will seriously reconsider some of the fucked up shit that gets posted on there.

theBearJewThe more I think about it the more it pisses me off. Internet troll or not, you don't fucking encourage that shit. What does that give you? What do you get out of encouraging someone like that who is joking? Oh you called them out? Good job fuckface. Why not just ignore them rather than give them the attention they want for making some shit up like that.


Now here you have a guy who wasn't trolling like you said, he was serious. And now you have fuck faces on the internet who are not only encouraging him but giving advice. I would be perfectly fine if the FBI tracked down the people who gave advice and encouraged him and arrested them for accessory to murder. Make a fucking example, its not okay to joke about this shit. The people that are serious about it need help, psychological help, and encouraging them to carry out their terrible thought/ideas does nothing.

T.L.Here's the full thread. There are some fucked up people on the internet.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OZGEjT1ilSUJ:https://archive.moe/r9k/post/22785729/

urbanjibBut WHY is this all happening now? You used to be able to walk in a hardware store and buy a gun, be able to take your rifle to school before youd go hunting. So why has it started to increase so much in the late 2000s?

Glorification on social media? ( not so much in a good way, but a way for someone whos no one, to become someone)

jblaskiYet another shooting in a "gun free" zone. It's funny, these mentally deranged people continue to choose places where they won't meet any resistance (schools, theaters, churches) thanks to liberal polices and rules that make everyone "safer"

jblaskiYet another shooting in a "gun free" zone. It's funny, these mentally deranged people continue to choose places where they won't meet any resistance (schools, theaters, churches) thanks to liberal polices and rules that make everyone "safer"

S.J.WAnd how mass shootings have been stopped by a good guy with a gun? Just a regular joe blow, not an off duty police officer or a vet but just a regular citizen with no police/ military background.

scratchproteenNone, because regular ole joe blow good guy doesn't bring a gun into a "gun-free" zone. Mean while mentally fucked mass shooter guy wants to kill a bunch of people, and they will do it where ever they choose, but if they want it to be easy, with no resistance, they will choose a school, a mall, a church, a movie theater.

Then we all start talking about it, slap it all over the internet, let the world see it, basically glorify it. Meanwhile also mentally fucked up mass shooter kid v2 who replied on that 4chan thread, and is possibly considering something like this, sees all this attention this guy got, and the cycle begins again.

S.J.WAnd I will disagree that these people that commit mass shootings are choosing their target because it's a gun free zone. This FBI report found that 63% of the 160 mass shootings which happened between 2000 and 2013 the shooter chose the location based on emotional reasoning. And also within that study 65 happened in open spaces and around 25 of the shootings happened where concealed carry is allowed. (still no brave bloke with a gun stopped the shooting though).

MinggIs there evidence that someone nearby was actually was carrying at the time though? Sure it may be legal there but if no one is carrying then it's not really a valid statistic.

jblaskiYet another shooting in a "gun free" zone. It's funny, these mentally deranged people continue to choose places where they won't meet any resistance (schools, theaters, churches) thanks to liberal polices and rules that make everyone "safer"

THEDIRTYBUBBLEI'm starting to think we should have armed national guard members in public. Our country is not as safe as we think.

S.J.WYeah most certainly there's no statistic which can find how many people had a gun on them whilst a mass shooting occurred. However you can use current concealed carry permits and make a rough guestimation as to the chance someone had a concealed weapon. Oregon has a population of 3.97 million people with 194,162 conceal carry permits. Meaning 20% of the general population have concealed carry permits. Now I couldn't find any numbers on the percentage of people who have a concealed carry permit but don't use it, but considering gun owners love to flaunt their guns I'm going to assume a safe percentage of those permit holders will take their gun everywhere. So we can make the safe assumption that there should have been at least one person in the general area with a gun on them.

MinggIs there evidence that someone nearby was actually was carrying at the time though? Sure it may be legal there but if no one is carrying then it's not really a valid statistic.

S.J.WOregon has a population of 3.97 million people with 194,162 conceal carry permits. Meaning 20% of the general population have concealed carry permits.

skiermanDoes that even matter? I find it absurd there are so many people in this country who cannot stay on topic but instead focus on "what ifs" or "maybe this" situations and eventually resort to baseless fallacies to try upholding a useless and broken system. Use logic and facts.

MinggWell like, dude I was responding to something SJW said... I wasn't saying anything about a "what if" or "maybe this"... I asked if there was evidence. He implied those with a gun didn't stop the shooting but also never gave proof that someone had a gun to begin with. I'm not arguing a side at all, chill.

S.J.WOregon has a population of 3.97 million people with 194,162 conceal carry permits. Meaning 20% of the general population have concealed carry permits.

skiermanIts a perfect example of how easily these discussions get sidetracked. The rest doesn't pertain to you at all because as you stated, you're not arguing a side.

MinggSo I can't ask a question for clarity on what someone else is trying to argue..?

skiermanNo, you don't have my permission.

S.J.WI was talking abou the mass shootings that happen in places which allow guns. How many mass shootings have been stopped in those places?

And I will disagree that these people that commit mass shootings are choosing their target because it's a gun free zone. This FBI report found that 63% of the 160 mass shootings which happened between 2000 and 2013 the shooter chose the location based on emotional reasoning. And also within that study 65 happened in open spaces and around 25 of the shootings happened where concealed carry is allowed. (still no brave bloke with a gun stopped the shooting though).

I am also going to raise another point, to which many gun nuts will ignore gun free zones. Now of course that is just an opinion piece and it doesn't reflect gun owners as a whole. But from the paranoia I've seen from the right about Obama and taking away their guns it does seem rather plausible that many gun owners will ignore these signs because of their second amendment right to own guns.

skiermanFun fact: The Aurora shooter purchased thousands of armor-piercing rounds online without so much as a background check.

scratchproteenLook we can hammer out statistics all day long on the subject, I'm sick and tired of being labeled as some gun nut because some crazy bastards use them in stuff like this. I've taken gun safety, at 12 years old, am 26 now. Have handled numerous guns in 14 years, never have I once used it irresponsibly because we know what the outcome can be. I've used a gun to put food in the freezer, get rid of gophers in hay fields for 50 cents a tail back in my teenage summers, taken down coyotes who ate our chickens, put down the family dog when she was to old to go on, and just for fun shooting clay and targets. For me a gun is a tool, just like a tape measure. I'm not going to let a bunch of people, who likely have never even had a gun in their hands tell me that I can't have it. When everyone is calling for more strict regulations, more background checks, etc it's not going to prevent a mentally ill mass murderer from acquiring their gun. It's going to make it more difficult than it already is/prevent me, the average every day American from getting one, and that is where you get your "paranoia."

jblaskiFor the record, James Holmes did NOT have armor-piecing rounds or bullet proof vests.

PeppermillRenoThis is what happens when you have a society full of athiests who think they know everything. Add in the fact there are movies like Saw that encourage this and its OK for people to like movies like that and see how popular women fist fighting has become and that normal people spend money to watch it and this shit isn't surprising.

skiermanFun fact: The Aurora shooter purchased thousands of armor-piercing rounds online without so much as a background check. The Columbine shooters? Purchased everything online. Another fun fact: 40% of all gun sales in this country are done in private without a background check and that's completely legal. In the past year, it had only become a law that someone must go through a background check to purchase a gun at a gun show and even that faced heavy opposition.

We're talking about mass shootings. We're not talking about the rare story of an armed responsible gun owner stopping a bad situation. We're not talking about criminals and how they circumnavigate current laws. We're talking about how easy it is for mentally disturbed and potentially dangerous individuals obtaining firearms because of our lack of gun laws.

And yet you find nuts saying that its more reasonable to spend billions more in treating/forcing treatment on people with existing or developing mental health issues, while not even considering passing a simple common sense law to help prevent those people from obtaining a gun legally. God forbid a responsible gun owner has to register a firearm or has to wait a week before they can get another gun.

scratchproteenLook we can hammer out statistics all day long on the subject, I'm sick and tired of being labeled as some gun nut because some crazy bastards use them in stuff like this. I've taken gun safety, at 12 years old, am 26 now. Have handled numerous guns in 14 years, never have I once used it irresponsibly because we know what the outcome can be. I've used a gun to put food in the freezer, get rid of gophers in hay fields for 50 cents a tail back in my teenage summers, taken down coyotes who ate our chickens, put down the family dog when she was to old to go on, and just for fun shooting clay and targets. For me a gun is a tool, just like a tape measure. I'm not going to let a bunch of people, who likely have never even had a gun in their hands tell me that I can't have it. When everyone is calling for more strict regulations, more background checks, etc it's not going to prevent a mentally ill mass murderer from acquiring their gun. It's going to make it more difficult than it already is/prevent me, the average every day American from getting one, and that is where you get your "paranoia."

JustGoWithItCanada's system is starting to look better and better with each one of these shootings. Being a gun owner I truly feel something BIG needs to happen if we are to ever stop this. Not banning large capacity magazines or even assault rifles for that matter. We need a solid system in place that insures only those capable of having wepons have them. I mean like, a system that you dread going through because the process is such a pain in the ass. And I'm not speaking soley for the victims of mass shootings, I'm talking about the tens of thousands that are killed each year by people who have no business owning a gun. Im sick of paying an arm and a leg for ammo after each one of these shootings because everyone is paranoid.

ANDR01DMore like 4.89%, but I guess when you spend all your time being a douchebag on the internet, you don't have much time to learn math.

scratchproteenLook we can hammer out statistics all day long on the subject, I'm sick and tired of being labeled as some gun nut because some crazy bastards use them in stuff like this. I've taken gun safety, at 12 years old, am 26 now. Have handled numerous guns in 14 years, never have I once used it irresponsibly because we know what the outcome can be. I've used a gun to put food in the freezer, get rid of gophers in hay fields for 50 cents a tail back in my teenage summers, taken down coyotes who ate our chickens, put down the family dog when she was to old to go on, and just for fun shooting clay and targets. For me a gun is a tool, just like a tape measure. I'm not going to let a bunch of people, who likely have never even had a gun in their hands tell me that I can't have it. When everyone is calling for more strict regulations, more background checks, etc it's not going to prevent a mentally ill mass murderer from acquiring their gun. It's going to make it more difficult than it already is/prevent me, the average every day American from getting one, and that is where you get your "paranoia."

MinggIs there evidence that someone nearby was actually was carrying at the time though? Sure it may be legal there but if no one is carrying then it's not really a valid statistic.

skiermanGod forbid a responsible gun owner has to register a firearm or has to wait a week before they can get another gun.

scratchproteenFor me a gun is a tool, just like a tape measure. I'm not going to let a bunch of people, who likely have never even had a gun in their hands tell me that I can't have it. When everyone is calling for more strict regulations, more background checks, etc it's not going to prevent a mentally ill mass murderer from acquiring their gun. It's going to make it more difficult than it already is/prevent me, the average every day American from getting one, and that is where you get your "paranoia."

THEDIRTYBUBBLEI'm starting to think we should have armed national guard members in public. Our country is not as safe as we think.

Prototype_1We need to do something about guns. Although nothing will get done, because American culture has an unhealthy fetish with firearms. Like the one guy said above, I'm perfectly fine with national guard members in public. Because I trust them.
I do not trust Joe-blow with a gun.

And it baffles me that semi auto rifles are still legal. No one living in the US needs one.

WattsDoes it matter? The argument was that allowing people to carry guns will make people safer and stop shootings like this from happening, or at least end them sooner. We know that some of these mass shootings are taking place in places where citizens are allowed to carry guns, and none of them have been stopped by citizens carrying guns, making the whole "well if we let everyone have guns wherever they want they would stop stuff like this" argument look rather weak.

MinggYes, it does matter. You can't say "no one with a gun tried to stop it" if no one even had a gun on them to begin with... I'm not saying everyone should have a gun or no one should have guns.

louie.miragsOur country is safer than the news wants you to think. The last thing we need is more policing. This is a free country and we do not need the army patrolling everywhere. The more control the government gets, the worse the problems will get. And the common man would never be able to stand up against big government if there were government henchman (national guard) patrolling the streets. I hate to break it to you but the army patrolling in public would not stop a killer from murdering 10 people in a classroom.