Anybody else think NA or AA is kind of a pity party?

So you're saying your support meetings are valid, but their support meetings are not? And you haven't been to their support meetings, but in your superior mind, your meetings are infinitely better and theirs should be discontinued? To me it sounds like you have a misguided superiority complex, are addicted to methadone, and have a history of terrible choices. Stop putting down what works for others. It sounds like you have plenty to worry about with just yourself.

iFlipSo you're saying your support meetings are valid, but their support meetings are not? And you haven't been to their support meetings, but in your superior mind, your meetings are infinitely better and theirs should be discontinued? To me it sounds like you have a misguided superiority complex, are addicted to methadone, and have a history of terrible choices. Stop putting down what works for others. It sounds like you have plenty to worry about with just yourself.

i think my paragraph had more self-consistent logic than your paragraph

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This has gotta be a troll. otherwise OP is in for a world of hurt when reality hits.

IncognitoXLi think my paragraph had more self-consistent logic than your paragraph

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What you "think" is actually just the meth/methadone talking.

iFlipmeth/methadone

wut

You're either a troll or an asshole...or both. GTFO.

Anybody else think that op is kinda dumb?

See how upbeat you are without your methadone. There's no crutch for alcohol addiction or really any other drug besides opiates.

iFlipWhat you "think" is actually just the meth/methadone talking.

I'm a lot more clear headed than u are right now. Methadone, as a low side effect extremely long half life opiate, has effectively no negative effects on cognition.

CaseySee how upbeat you are without your methadone. There's no crutch for alcohol addiction or really any other drug besides opiates.

There should be. In Europe, if you are incarcerated they will supplement you with whatever you need to help ease or prevent wd.
Opiate wd is by far the most vicious wd, but I agree there should be a protocol to catch all addictions.

iFlipWhat you "think" is actually just the meth/methadone talking.

I'm a lot more clear headed than u are right now. Methadone, as a low side effect extremely long half life opiate, has effectively no negative effects on cognition.

CaseySee how upbeat you are without your methadone. There's no crutch for alcohol addiction or really any other drug besides opiates.

There should be. In Europe, if you are incarcerated they will supplement you with whatever you need to help ease or prevent wd.
Opiate wd is by far the most vicious wd, but I agree there should be a protocol to catch all addictions.

AA and NA have their flaws you identified the biggest one they breed self pity and crying about your problems and feeling sorry for oneself as well as putting an all or nothing mindset into people which probably isn't the best idea.


In their defense there isn't that many other options available for help. Other options for help aren't free either and these people need new friends and support groups.


My suggestion is if you have problems go to a few meetings and try and learn soemthing and take something from it however don't buy into their cult like thinking that you are a helpless sheep who can't control yourself. But take it seriously and try and get something out of it there aren't any other free options for support and accepting you have a problem and changing your behavior is all you have to do. The guys running the meetings who are super into it will never tell you this but if you go in as a younger person there will be older folks who echo these sentiments.


I credit gamblers anonymous for helping me stop gambling compulsively on sports and get into ticket scalping instead. Used it to become a better gambler and to embrace the fact I only bet >100 days a year. In order for me to get the help and support I needed at GA I had to go to a lot of meetings (10 or more) in order to listen to maybe 3 or 4 people that I had anything in common with or could relate to at all. Most of the people were fucking morons who couldn't stop buying scratch tickets not advantage players or skilled betters I had nothing in common with any of those idiots but everything in common with the few people who were actualy capable of winning be it sports betting or card counting at black jack.

NA is a great way to meet new connections for drugs and better yet if you sell drugs to find new customers btw I would recommend going for that reason alone.


My friend still goes to a drug group with teenagers age 30 partially because he wants the therapy but also to keep getting new custies.

PeppermillRenoNA is a great way to meet new connections for drugs and better yet if you sell drugs to find new customers btw I would recommend going for that reason alone.


My friend still goes to a drug group with teenagers age 30 partially because he wants the therapy but also to keep getting new custies.

sounds like a great dude.

californiagrownsounds like a great dude.

Lol hes OK not a bad kid considering hes like the sketchy guy at the festival selling every drug going 'coke, rolls, doses, molly.'


Im pretty pissed off that I have to do his FF draft during opening night of college football because of his fucking group though.

PeppermillRenoAA and NA have their flaws you identified the biggest one they breed self pity and crying about your problems and feeling sorry for oneself as well as putting an all or nothing mindset into people which probably isn't the best idea.


In their defense there isn't that many other options available for help. Other options for help aren't free either and these people need new friends and support groups.


My suggestion is if you have problems go to a few meetings and try and learn soemthing and take something from it however don't buy into their cult like thinking that you are a helpless sheep who can't control yourself. But take it seriously and try and get something out of it there aren't any other free options for support and accepting you have a problem and changing your behavior is all you have to do. The guys running the meetings who are super into it will never tell you this but if you go in as a younger person there will be older folks who echo these sentiments.


I credit gamblers anonymous for helping me stop gambling compulsively on sports and get into ticket scalping instead. Used it to become a better gambler and to embrace the fact I only bet >100 days a year. In order for me to get the help and support I needed at GA I had to go to a lot of meetings (10 or more) in order to listen to maybe 3 or 4 people that I had anything in common with or could relate to at all. Most of the people were fucking morons who couldn't stop buying scratch tickets not advantage players or skilled betters I had nothing in common with any of those idiots but everything in common with the few people who were actualy capable of winning be it sports betting or card counting at black jack.

Yeah... Like most of the people sharing are like the most boring ppl on the planet but they act like what they are saying is clever.
I get members coming to me after the meeting saying my share rocked their world...
Its actually kind of fun. I get to bitch about america, how germany is showing how tolerant they are now as a contrast to how intolerant they were in ww2... how america is like the innocent little girl killing insects with a magnifying glass... And everybody is saying "oh look its america, she is so adorable and innocent, she saved us in ww2 so now she can be as mean as she wants but she will always be innocent..."

Like get off your innocence shit u 90 iq witch hanging puritans. Jesus could have been an addict. What would you say then?

The real reason the gov wants to kill me or put me thru withdrawal is because my mind is insanely powerful on opiates. In college i blew enough ritalin to grow another 2 brains and for years after that my brain was kind of like a cayenne turbo that i had build (powerful engine) that i couldnt afford gas for.

Opiates flood your brain with a plethora of neurotransmitters and for me it felt like all of the sudden i had gas (mental energy), for the cayenne turbo i had built with ritalin.
Andrew holson might know what im on about.

But yeah the gov wants me dead like they they wanted john Lennon dead.
If i stay alive this country will eventually breathe total libertarianism

PeppermillRenoNA is a great way to meet new connections for drugs and better yet if you sell drugs to find new customers btw I would recommend going for that reason alone.


My friend still goes to a drug group with teenagers age 30 partially because he wants the therapy but also to keep getting new custies.

Haha

californiagrownsounds like a great dude.

IncognitoXLYeah... Like most of the people sharing are like the most boring ppl on the planet but they act like what they are saying is clever.
I get members coming to me after the meeting saying my share rocked their world...
Its actually kind of fun. I get to bitch about america, how germany is showing how tolerant they are now as a contrast to how intolerant they were in ww2... how america is like the innocent little girl killing insects with a magnifying glass... And everybody is saying "oh look its america, she is so adorable and innocent, she saved us in ww2 so now she can be as mean as she wants but she will always be innocent..."

Like get off your innocence shit u 90 iq witch hanging puritans. Jesus could have been an addict. What would you say then?

The real reason the gov wants to kill me or put me thru withdrawal is because my mind is insanely powerful on opiates. In college i blew enough ritalin to grow another 2 brains and for years after that my brain was kind of like a cayenne turbo that i had build (powerful engine) that i couldnt afford gas for.

Opiates flood your brain with a plethora of neurotransmitters and for me it felt like all of the sudden i had gas (mental energy), for the cayenne turbo i had built with ritalin.
Andrew holson might know what im on about.

But yeah the gov wants me dead like they they wanted john Lennon dead.
If i stay alive this country will eventually breathe total libertarianism



Haha

HA, FAKE!

1. you're not in a methadone clinic you're in the suburbs at your parents house
2. that's the point its a free support group

Dolan pls

FROGGINBULLFISH1. you're not in a methadone clinic you're in the suburbs at your parents house
2. that's the point its a free support group

Who are u quoting jackass?

FROGGINBULLFISH1. you're not in a methadone clinic you're in the suburbs at your parents house
2. that's the point its a free support group

I work man...
I pay for my own shit.

The people who diss on living at home do so for 1 of 2 reasons.

1. Either they got really ugly as they aged to the point that it made for a really disgusting family image, such that they are angry about the fact they wouldnt have been able to pull it off even if they had wanted to.

Or, 2, their mom was a trophy wife with a 100 iq who felt threatened once her son (likely having an iq between his mother and father) started becoming noticeably smarter than her so she kicked him out and he is angry about everybody knowing that by being kicked out he must be dumber than his dad.

A smart family saves money where it can.
Pissing away 1000-2000 a month in rent when youve got room at home.... Thats what dumb families do.

Cheap condos are much more cost efficient than apartments as long as u dont get raped by condo fees

What the fuck are you talking about?

CirilloWhat the fuck are you talking about?

Punching cops and methadone is the best and pussy ass alcoholics. Come on man! Get with program!!

Incognito, you are a walking caricature of an arrogant, know-it-all, VERY young (sub 25 guaranteed), dope fiend. I kind of like that, but it's also obnoxious and so typical.

I got no love for aa/na....not by a long shot...but, you are really smelling your own farts with all this revolutionary talk and patting yourself on the back for "blowing people's minds" (hahaha...dude...you're in a room of other junkies who have been where you are and much worse. Literally nothing you've said is original, and I mean that in the sense of it's nothing I haven't directly and personally heard fall out someone's mouth who stood in front of me talking to me like I'm 12 and they're fucking Einstein because they recognize the obvious hypocrisy in 12 step groups and like the fucking drug war. Please.)

Good luck man, there's not a damn thing wrong with using methadone or bupe or whatever to help break the patterns of behavior and thinking that's tied to living as a dope fiend. There is a lot of grandstanding and judgment in those rooms regarding those drugs (methadone, etc.), but fuck em. If you're surrounded by mostly negative people sharing negative thoughts and experiences, well so be it, use that as an example of how not to live.

I do find it HYSTERICAL that you share your "story" at every meeting. You clearly need the attention. Maybe if you shut up, realized that you don't have the universe figured out and tied into a neat little bow at 21 or whatever, you might find something of value from someone else who is sharing. If the point of sharing is to either carry the message (which you don't believe in...that's cool, me neither), or to share your early struggles with getting clean and/or embracing the program in order to give newcomers something to relate to, well, then there's literally no point for you to share. Other than of course that you're doing what you condemned everyone else for-using it as personal therapy. And that is lame, so stop.

Hope you get it all the way together and go on to live whatever rad life you want, but I strongly, strongly suggest you learn a little humility and try and not carry yourself as if you're the smartest guy in the room who happens to merely have jumped off the course a minute but is surely bound for incredible things. For example: you're not going to inspire dudes locked up for petty theft, dui's, unpaid childsupport, etc. to "fight the power" as some first time kid who probably has a family well off enough behind him to fight a case. And, you damn not sure "blowing the mind" of some guy or gal who's seen people exactly like you come and go for the last 20 years or whatever.

You're not as unique as you think you are, you're not a hero for choosing a sexy chic counterculture lifestyle over the RAT RACE, and on and on. You could fall out the next time you bang something, I don't care if it's the same stamp bag, the same connect, you're tolerance is through the roof, or none of that shit. It happens all of the time. Google fentanyl OD's in the last decade all over the EC and midwest. One bad bag/shot and you're down for the count and that goes for any and all people who want to do that dance.

IncognitoXLi think my paragraph had more self-consistent logic than your paragraph

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The actual score is iFlip: 1 you: zero because iFlip isn't addicted to methadone

I never like replying to flamebait, but...

I attended AA meetings for my schooling and was actually pretty impressed. The come-to-jesus-ness of AA is tiring, but they do a great job encouraging the things that actually make a difference in addition - admitting that you have a problem, that you'll always be at high risk of relapse, and that you need a different social network than the one that encouraged addiction in the first place. I could see how that'd come off as depressing... but the alternative - denial - just doesn't work.

Also, while opiate withdrawal is absolutely terrible, it's definitely not the worst.

casualIncognito, you are a walking caricature of an arrogant, know-it-all, VERY young (sub 25 guaranteed), dope fiend. I kind of like that, but it's also obnoxious and so typical.

I got no love for aa/na....not by a long shot...but, you are really smelling your own farts with all this revolutionary talk and patting yourself on the back for "blowing people's minds" (hahaha...dude...you're in a room of other junkies who have been where you are and much worse. Literally nothing you've said is original, and I mean that in the sense of it's nothing I haven't directly and personally heard fall out someone's mouth who stood in front of me talking to me like I'm 12 and they're fucking Einstein because they recognize the obvious hypocrisy in 12 step groups and like the fucking drug war. Please.)

Good luck man, there's not a damn thing wrong with using methadone or bupe or whatever to help break the patterns of behavior and thinking that's tied to living as a dope fiend. There is a lot of grandstanding and judgment in those rooms regarding those drugs (methadone, etc.), but fuck em. If you're surrounded by mostly negative people sharing negative thoughts and experiences, well so be it, use that as an example of how not to live.

I do find it HYSTERICAL that you share your "story" at every meeting. You clearly need the attention. Maybe if you shut up, realized that you don't have the universe figured out and tied into a neat little bow at 21 or whatever, you might find something of value from someone else who is sharing. If the point of sharing is to either carry the message (which you don't believe in...that's cool, me neither), or to share your early struggles with getting clean and/or embracing the program in order to give newcomers something to relate to, well, then there's literally no point for you to share. Other than of course that you're doing what you condemned everyone else for-using it as personal therapy. And that is lame, so stop.

Hope you get it all the way together and go on to live whatever rad life you want, but I strongly, strongly suggest you learn a little humility and try and not carry yourself as if you're the smartest guy in the room who happens to merely have jumped off the course a minute but is surely bound for incredible things. For example: you're not going to inspire dudes locked up for petty theft, dui's, unpaid childsupport, etc. to "fight the power" as some first time kid who probably has a family well off enough behind him to fight a case. And, you damn not sure "blowing the mind" of some guy or gal who's seen people exactly like you come and go for the last 20 years or whatever.

You're not as unique as you think you are, you're not a hero for choosing a sexy chic counterculture lifestyle over the RAT RACE, and on and on. You could fall out the next time you bang something, I don't care if it's the same stamp bag, the same connect, you're tolerance is through the roof, or none of that shit. It happens all of the time. Google fentanyl OD's in the last decade all over the EC and midwest. One bad bag/shot and you're down for the count and that goes for any and all people who want to do that dance.

I have ppl coming to me after the meeting saying my share really open their eyes in regards to certain issues.
I know u have the same iq as me, but the only things ive ever been good at are math and physics.
So in that realm i could probably keep up with 150s 160s because thats my game.


I get that ur a hard person to impress, but i assure you if u met me in real life you would want to be my friend.

yungsteezeThe actual score is iFlip: 1 you: zero because iFlip isn't addicted to methadone

reBlockeI never like replying to flamebait, but...

I attended AA meetings for my schooling and was actually pretty impressed. The come-to-jesus-ness of AA is tiring, but they do a great job encouraging the things that actually make a difference in addition - admitting that you have a problem, that you'll always be at high risk of relapse, and that you need a different social network than the one that encouraged addiction in the first place. I could see how that'd come off as depressing... but the alternative - denial - just doesn't work.

Also, while opiate withdrawal is absolutely terrible, it's definitely not the worst.

Opiate wd is the worst. Benzo wd is close but ...

yungsteezeThe actual score is iFlip: 1 you: zero because iFlip isn't addicted to methadone

I feel completely normal everyday. Soon i will be going only once a week.

IncognitoXLI'm a lot more clear headed than u are right now. Methadone, as a low side effect extremely long half life opiate, has effectively no negative effects on cognition.




There should be. In Europe, if you are incarcerated they will supplement you with whatever you need to help ease or prevent wd.
Opiate wd is by far the most vicious wd, but I agree there should be a protocol to catch all addictions.

Actually its quite mild compared to benzo, barb. Wd. Don' zombifies people trust me.. why no switch to bupe and visit a doctor once a month for a few minutes? Your junkie mind wants the methadone hell I used to pop around 70 mg and get fucking flipped, I realize you stabilize and stop getting high, but by then you have one of the longest acting opiates saturating your receptors. Have fun kicking methadone I've herd it's a real good time. Good luck though brother in whatever you choose. Fuck aa/na it's just a pity party of helpless tars circle jerking about how hard life is praise jeeebus

casualIncognito, you are a walking caricature of an arrogant, know-it-all, VERY young (sub 25 guaranteed), dope fiend. I kind of like that, but it's also obnoxious and so typical.

I got no love for aa/na....not by a long shot...but, you are really smelling your own farts with all this revolutionary talk and patting yourself on the back for "blowing people's minds" (hahaha...dude...you're in a room of other junkies who have been where you are and much worse. Literally nothing you've said is original, and I mean that in the sense of it's nothing I haven't directly and personally heard fall out someone's mouth who stood in front of me talking to me like I'm 12 and they're fucking Einstein because they recognize the obvious hypocrisy in 12 step groups and like the fucking drug war. Please.)

Good luck man, there's not a damn thing wrong with using methadone or bupe or whatever to help break the patterns of behavior and thinking that's tied to living as a dope fiend. There is a lot of grandstanding and judgment in those rooms regarding those drugs (methadone, etc.), but fuck em. If you're surrounded by mostly negative people sharing negative thoughts and experiences, well so be it, use that as an example of how not to live.

I do find it HYSTERICAL that you share your "story" at every meeting. You clearly need the attention. Maybe if you shut up, realized that you don't have the universe figured out and tied into a neat little bow at 21 or whatever, you might find something of value from someone else who is sharing. If the point of sharing is to either carry the message (which you don't believe in...that's cool, me neither), or to share your early struggles with getting clean and/or embracing the program in order to give newcomers something to relate to, well, then there's literally no point for you to share. Other than of course that you're doing what you condemned everyone else for-using it as personal therapy. And that is lame, so stop.

Hope you get it all the way together and go on to live whatever rad life you want, but I strongly, strongly suggest you learn a little humility and try and not carry yourself as if you're the smartest guy in the room who happens to merely have jumped off the course a minute but is surely bound for incredible things. For example: you're not going to inspire dudes locked up for petty theft, dui's, unpaid childsupport, etc. to "fight the power" as some first time kid who probably has a family well off enough behind him to fight a case. And, you damn not sure "blowing the mind" of some guy or gal who's seen people exactly like you come and go for the last 20 years or whatever.

You're not as unique as you think you are, you're not a hero for choosing a sexy chic counterculture lifestyle over the RAT RACE, and on and on. You could fall out the next time you bang something, I don't care if it's the same stamp bag, the same connect, you're tolerance is through the roof, or none of that shit. It happens all of the time. Google fentanyl OD's in the last decade all over the EC and midwest. One bad bag/shot and you're down for the count and that goes for any and all people who want to do that dance.

Narcan is cool they give out like candy in ny

Sky.Narcan is cool they give out like candy in ny

Fucking a. Anyone using opiates should keep narcan in their kit at all times. And, I'm glad that narcan is being given out, it should be. I 100% support needle exchanges, etc. Had OP had some, might be kept him out of cuffs. It's also complete and utter shit that certain jurisdictions prosecute people who call for help in cases of od's. Begging people to abandon others.

casualIt's also complete and utter shit that certain jurisdictions prosecute people who call for help in cases of od's. Begging people to abandon others.

in the eyes of government
anyone associated with drug use = degenerate scumbag who should be barred from society and thrown in jail = money for them

casualFucking a. Anyone using opiates should keep narcan in their kit at all times. And, I'm glad that narcan is being given out, it should be. I 100% support needle exchanges, etc. Had OP had some, might be kept him out of cuffs. It's also complete and utter shit that certain jurisdictions prosecute people who call for help in cases of od's. Begging people to abandon others.

I've lost 3 friends to opi's it really is crazy, even just a few years ago things were alot different. I'm outta the game and have been for years, It woulda been really great to have had access to Narcan when I was. Maybe I would still have those friends. I still hang with a few friends from that circle pretty much everyone has a kit now In my area who fuck around. Havnt had to use mine yet but there's been a couple close calls I was really glad It was there in case though. Deffinatly worth the 10 min I spent being shown how to use it, plus it's completely free.

Sky.Actually its quite mild compared to benzo, barb. Wd. Don' zombifies people trust me.. why no switch to bupe and visit a doctor once a month for a few minutes? Your junkie mind wants the methadone hell I used to pop around 70 mg and get fucking flipped, I realize you stabilize and stop getting high, but by then you have one of the longest acting opiates saturating your receptors. Have fun kicking methadone I've herd it's a real good time. Good luck though brother in whatever you choose. Fuck aa/na it's just a pity party of helpless tars circle jerking about how hard life is praise jeeebus

Wow dude ur clueless. Both benzo wd and opiate wd are similarly horrible. Been thru 10 mg a day of xanax to 0. Not as bad as fentanyl wd imo.

And SWITCH TO SUBOXONE?

suboxone is the most worthless piece of shit drug there is.
Its a partial agonist. It binds to your opiate receptors and only partially stimulates them. Real opiates (methadone is one of them) fully stimulate the opioid receptors just like your bodys own endorphins do.
And real opiates dont block the effects of your own reward system.
On the other hand, suboxone parks its fat ass in the opioid receptors and blocks your own endorphins from attaching.

If ur on normal "real" opiates, and u go work out, you will feel that much better from the endorphins and the opiates in your system.

On suboxone if u work out u will not feel the rush of endorphins because suboxone is blocking the receptor.

You are honestly an idiot if you think fake as suboxone is better than a prototypical opiate.
Its fucking garbage, something that garbage brain of urs might actually like since ur too numb to your own senses to realize what fucked up unnatural shit suboxone is.

The kid who shot up the black ppl in church was on suboxone.
Its garbage.

Sky.I've lost 3 friends to opi's it really is crazy, even just a few years ago things were alot different. I'm outta the game and have been for years, It woulda been really great to have had access to Narcan when I was. Maybe I would still have those friends. I still hang with a few friends from that circle pretty much everyone has a kit now In my area who fuck around. Havnt had to use mine yet but there's been a couple close calls I was really glad It was there in case though. Deffinatly worth the 10 min I spent being shown how to use it, plus it's completely free.

Maybe if u werent so worthless you couldve saved them.

Do u even know how to breath for a person whos oded?

Like what? Did u just stand there?

Also @ sky

If u od, u lose consciousness.
U need to have a friend around to dose u if u od.

I agree narcan should be in a box behind tge pharmacy counter at cvs and given out for free or at least at cost.

IncognitoXLAlso @ sky

If u od, u lose consciousness.
U need to have a friend around to dose u if u od.

I agree narcan should be in a box behind tge pharmacy counter at cvs and given out for free or at least at cost.

Why should it be free or at cost? If you are going to do stupid shit pay for the backup plan yourself.

IncognitoXLWow dude ur clueless. Both benzo wd and opiate wd are similarly horrible. Been thru 10 mg a day of xanax to 0. Not as bad as fentanyl wd imo.

And SWITCH TO SUBOXONE?

suboxone is the most worthless piece of shit drug there is.
Its a partial agonist. It binds to your opiate receptors and only partially stimulates them. Real opiates (methadone is one of them) fully stimulate the opioid receptors just like your bodys own endorphins do.
And real opiates dont block the effects of your own reward system.
On the other hand, suboxone parks its fat ass in the opioid receptors and blocks your own endorphins from attaching.

If ur on normal "real" opiates, and u go work out, you will feel that much better from the endorphins and the opiates in your system.

On suboxone if u work out u will not feel the rush of endorphins because suboxone is blocking the receptor.

You are honestly an idiot if you think fake as suboxone is better than a prototypical opiate.
Its fucking garbage, something that garbage brain of urs might actually like since ur too numb to your own senses to realize what fucked up unnatural shit suboxone is.

The kid who shot up the black ppl in church was on suboxone.
Its garbage.



Maybe if u werent so worthless you couldve saved them.

Do u even know how to breath for a person whos oded?

Like what? Did u just stand there?

So much wow in this thread

iFlipmeth/methadone

you do know meth and methadone are very different things, right?

iFlipSo you're saying your support meetings are valid, but their support meetings are not? And you haven't been to their support meetings, but in your superior mind, your meetings are infinitely better and theirs should be discontinued? To me it sounds like you have a misguided superiority complex, are addicted to methadone, and have a history of terrible choices. Stop putting down what works for others. It sounds like you have plenty to worry about with just yourself.

Don't put others down

TOAST.Why should it be free or at cost? If you are going to do stupid shit pay for the backup plan yourself.

Very few people who are OD'ing on street drugs are in a position to pay their medical bills, so the taxpayers are picking up the bill either way. Might as well have it be cheaper (and more humane).

Naloxone has no contraindications - there is no reason why it shouldn't be available to anyone who wants it. So while I don't agree w/ much the OP has said, he's 100% right that it should be at least OTC, and probably subsidized / widely distributed. Much like needle exchanges, the only reason it's not is because policy makers' moral righteousness gets in the way of them making rational decisions.

reBlockeVery few people who are OD'ing on street drugs are in a position to pay their medical bills, so the taxpayers are picking up the bill either way. Might as well have it be cheaper (and more humane).

Naloxone has no contraindications - there is no reason why it shouldn't be available to anyone who wants it. So while I don't agree w/ much the OP has said, he's 100% right that it should be at least OTC, and probably subsidized / widely distributed. Much like needle exchanges, the only reason it's not is because policy makers' moral righteousness gets in the way of them making rational decisions.

I think it should be OTC, no problems with that, but I don't think it should be free or heavily subsidized. People have to pay for medications to deal with conditions they were born with, but some junkie should get free narcan because he voluntarily puts himself in a dangerous situation where he might need it. Fuck that.

reBlockeVery few people who are OD'ing on street drugs are in a position to pay their medical bills, so the taxpayers are picking up the bill either way. Might as well have it be cheaper (and more humane).

Naloxone has no contraindications - there is no reason why it shouldn't be available to anyone who wants it. So while I don't agree w/ much the OP has said, he's 100% right that it should be at least OTC, and probably subsidized / widely distributed. Much like needle exchanges, the only reason it's not is because policy makers' moral righteousness gets in the way of them making rational decisions.

Why should we work to subsidize anything for junkies before we first subsidize medications for people who have non-voluntary conditions and little money?

A poor woman with type 1 diabetes gets screwed, while a fucking junkie gets to continue shooting up on my dime? I'm not a huge fan of that.

Both of my parents are 25 years sober and NA and AA is how they stay clean.

I think its a program that only works if you completely commit to it and make it a consistent part of your life. It may not work for everyone but thank to those programs I have parents who love me and care for me rather than being consumed by their addictions.

You also may have to travel around and try out some different meetings, it takes awhile until you find the right group of people.

Best of luck man.

Truth.

You can't party without booze and hoes