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firecrotch
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Has anyone else seen this trailer yet?

http://www.tetongravity.com/films/for-lack-of-better

It looks absolutely insane. Seems like they manage to go way bigger every year. Also, I'm not really sure what TGR has to do with this, it looks like it was still produced by Stept? Should be fucking rad no matter what
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Aug 25 2015 1:07PM
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HenriksDreads
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Just finished watching and fuck, awesome film, wonderfully put together. Definitely something you can show to other people outside the community as an explanation of what urban skiing is. 10/10, very much worth the $10
Nov 10 2015 8:19PM
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Puzzled
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If you didn't buy this already just DO IT.
Nov 11 2015 2:17AM
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JakeBarrett
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Just watched. Holy fuck.
Nov 11 2015 2:35AM
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Mar-O
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Just finished it and recommend it for sure. It was really interesting to see and hear their thoughts about urban skiing and the risks they put them self though. The skiing was insane as always but it didn't have that many shots, however I haven't seen a ski movie where I appreciated every shot this much and the movie kept me interested the whole time witch to me is the most important thing.
Nov 11 2015 9:34AM
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loganimlach
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hats off
Nov 11 2015 10:01AM
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AdiibA
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I didn't expect them to address people with that little knowledge.

Does anyone know who came up with the interview questions? Was it the stept crew themselves?
It felt strange listening to them describing that the biggest satisfaction they get out of it is completing their part and getting the public recognition. Although i completely get that part, i was more expecting them to describe the feeling of accomplishment after succesfully hitting a spot and the euphoria that comes with it.

Absolutely mid blowing shots though and those guys dedication is completely insane!
Nov 11 2015 10:40AM
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Lafam
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FredyFerlThese guys are legends. This is the movie street skiing needed so more people can understand it



Trust me this isn't what street skiing is for everyone. its just an understanding of THEIR approach to it.
Nov 11 2015 11:31AM
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williams
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Amazing. Best ski film I've seen. Awesome stuff Clayton/Cam/Sean!
Nov 11 2015 11:55AM
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DementClause
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Got the film last night and watched it with my girlfriend (not really a skier, she wants to get into it, but has minimal experience)...anyway...we both loved it. I thought the documentary style was nailed and really brought a lot of depth to the movie. Additionally, I think it's dope that they were able to make a project that appealed to both a skier and a non-skier - that's not so easy.

However, one thing I felt the need to discuss on here after watching it was: helmets.

I grew up using a bucket, my parents were always on my ass about it, so 9/10 if I'm on the mountain im using a helmet, cause why not? I started doing urban last year and would never wear a helmet for some reason. Just style I suppose, and the hits we were doing just weren't that treacherous. Buttttt I probably should have been, and probably will going forward.

Reason I say that is because I totally understand the no helmet thing especially if you're hitting low key stuff, just fucking around. What I cant wrap my head around is why these guys don't where helmets? When jumping 4 stories off a parking garage, why not just throw on a helmet. some of those hits were just so fucking risky I don't understand the reason why not. It blows my mind. I will say it does add a certain "holy shit thats ballsy" but it's mixed with a "honestly I think you're kind of a dumbass" feeling.

Dunno, curious to see what others think.
Nov 11 2015 12:08PM
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John18_6
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DementClausewhy not just throw on a helmet.


They've been hitting urban for so long without helmets that it would probably feel uncomfortable. They know how save their head in most bails (like skaters) but then again anything can happen. That being said I always wear a helmet when I hit urban.
Nov 11 2015 12:12PM
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DementClause
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john18061806They've been hitting urban for so long without helmets that it would probably feel uncomfortable. They know how save their head in most bails (like skaters) but then again anything can happen. That being said I always wear a helmet when I hit urban.


That's what I told my GF when she asked why. I was like "well, if anyone knows how to fall it's these guys". Just seems like when doing some of the more intense shit it's just one more risk to add to the heap. Either way though, mad props to these guys for always sacking up. That tree gap to 270 on with the injured hand was epiccc. I could feel the nerves and tentativeness
Nov 11 2015 12:58PM
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JakeBarrett
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DementClauseHowever, one thing I felt the need to discuss on here after watching it was: helmets.

oh not this shit again
Nov 11 2015 4:07PM
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cwillygood
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Watched it this morning.

Skiing was sick like always.

But I thought the questions sucked. It was kind of sad to think that the only satisfaction comes from releasing a part and knowing people liked it. But to each's own. Interesting obsession for sure. I was wondering if they even like to ski the mountains anymore haha
Nov 11 2015 4:12PM
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DementClause
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Barry.McCockineroh not this shit again


Fuck off, I'm not trying to talk about whether its cool or not to wear helmets in the park or whatever. It just took me aback that they were taking such big hits without helmets on...like you'd think even if you aren't a usual helmet wearer maybe jumping of a 4 story parking garage would be the exception.
Nov 11 2015 5:24PM
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sick.
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Really really enjoyed it. Everyone killed it - especially Cam on those two shots (dfd and roof). Absolutely insane and so gnarly. Bummer Clayton was injured, loved all his shots but would of been cool to see more. Sean had sweet stuff as usual.
Nov 11 2015 8:07PM
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petro
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amazing. easily one of my all-time favorites. everyone should buy this and support
Nov 12 2015 12:30AM
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HSmith
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Watched again. Still equally stoked.
Nov 12 2015 2:48AM
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yungsteeze
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Next level shit right here. Crazy how they don't even enjoy hitting these features, but theyre so passionate that they do it for hours until they get the shot. Nobody else is doing what they do in the industry.
Nov 12 2015 9:42AM
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FIRETHECANNONS
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I really liked the style of it, not like a normal ski movie format at all really. Really good and as always insane
Nov 12 2015 12:01PM
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jason...
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Really well done. But man, that was depressing. It really made skiing sound like your job not something you do for fun; that can't really be the case can it? And Sean's comment about getting that satisfaction once other people like what you've made? That bothered me. Doing features that dangerous... simply to entertain other people? Not for yourself? That doesn't make sense to me. There's gotta be more to that clip.

So much respect to you guys for making this, for making a movie for a non-skiing audience, for explaining all the difficult parts of urban. I just don't agree with the vibe of treating skiing like an oil rig job.


Now I know this next point is kind of ridiculous since it would involve editing 2 movies. But next time it would be sweet to have one movie with the talking and one with the riding. Like how Nike did with Never Not.
Nov 12 2015 2:57PM
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hi_vis360
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I thought the movie was well done and these dudes are the gnarliest at urban, but they talked the whole movie about how hard it is to put a segment together, only to release a movie that's totally not segment-based. Saying each shot only produces a clip that's only a few seconds long doesn't pull much weight when they extend single shots into full segments and have like 20 lifestyle shots in between every hit.

Basically I felt like what they talked about in the movie, putting cohesive segments together, isn't really what they did. Am I the only one who noticed this?
Nov 12 2015 3:44PM
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eheath
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BASEDJAHI thought the movie was well done and these dudes are the gnarliest at urban, but they talked the whole movie about how hard it is to put a segment together, only to release a movie that's totally not segment-based. Saying each shot only produces a clip that's only a few seconds long doesn't pull much weight when they extend single shots into full segments and have like 20 lifestyle shots in between every hit.

Basically I felt like what they talked about in the movie, putting cohesive segments together, isn't really what they did. Am I the only one who noticed this?


They made a documentary, filming a segment is more so referring to the past films they made.



I'd like to address anyone who's been commenting about how (paraphrased) "they aren't having fun its just their job" and "i was upset they liked getting a positive reaction from the audience".

1. This is their job, they spend all winter travelling, digging and filming to get enough shots for their videos. They then spend the next 3-4 months organizing footage, editing and producing their video for the year. They have no other revenue stream, they film and ski, then edit. Changing your passion into your job has consequences which you guys have recognized, but these guys still enjoy what they do and wouldn't do it if they didn't want to, ya know?

This leads me into #2 of course they're stoked when they get a good reaction. Why else would they make a ski segment? to show their friends and family? The satisfaction from making a film part is the motivation for spending their entire winter filming and summer editing. What else do you expect?

That being said, Clayton and the guys made one of the best ski movies ever in my opinion, perfect mix of skiing and an engaging story.
Nov 12 2015 3:57PM
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e~b
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"I do what i know and jump off big shit" - Cam Riley. fucking legend
Nov 12 2015 4:24PM
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dustygoldflakes
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Just watched it and it was honestly so great. They explained how the underground part of our sport works and it was cool to see a movie that focused on the process rather than just the bangers. That whole crew really pushed the envelope with some of those features and I highly recommend for anyone who is debating spending the money.
Nov 12 2015 7:16PM
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GuacamoleMane
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The only ski movie I have ever seen that bummed me out. They make skiing look dark and sad. The way they made it look is not a true reflection of the sport. The fact that they look at getting shots as a job and not a passion is depressing and wrong. Obviously the shots were bangers but their hearts were in the wrong place
Nov 12 2015 7:22PM
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FelonDegeneres
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Don't get me wrong, Thought the movie was really sick and well done. However, I found it to be somewhat depressing. Skiing for me has always been motivated by fun and striving to continue to have fun. The way they discussed urban skiing and how they didn't have much time left in there lives to do it bummed me out. It was obvious during a lot of the movie to me that they weren't really enjoying themselves. They were just doing it because they felt it had to be finished. An example of this was when Cam hit that insane dfd 132 times before getting the trick. Again don't get me wrong, it was fucking insane and really sick. Props to Cam for that and I am sure he was really satisfied with the trick, but in my mind, did he really enjoy spending his whole day beating the fuck out of himself for that shot. Also, I didn't like how Clayton compared urban skiing to being a construction worker. In my mind, most construction workers really don't enjoy there jobs that often. It is simply a way to support their families and acquire money. I am not talking about the designers, contractors or supervisors. I am talking about your average construction worker who is busting his ass on the work site every day to make ends meet. Personally, I don't find skiing to be similar to that at all. Skiing is an activity where you seek self fulfillment and enjoyment. Every time you get a new trick or perfect one, you are satisfied. You do it all for yourself. Being a construction worker is often not something you wanted to get into when you were younger. There are definitely exceptions to this, but having done some work in construction I can say that for a lot of people this is the case. Not trying to hate on the movie, just trying to have a discussion.
Nov 12 2015 7:32PM
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firecrotch
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FunkmasterFleckDon't get me wrong, Thought the movie was really sick and well done. However, I found it to be somewhat depressing. Skiing for me has always been motivated by fun and striving to continue to have fun. The way they discussed urban skiing and how they didn't have much time left in there lives to do it bummed me out. It was obvious during a lot of the movie to me that they weren't really enjoying themselves. They were just doing it because they felt it had to be finished. An example of this was when Cam hit that insane dfd 132 times before getting the trick. Again don't get me wrong, it was fucking insane and really sick. Props to Cam for that and I am sure he was really satisfied with the trick, but in my mind, did he really enjoy spending his whole day beating the fuck out of himself for that shot. Also, I didn't like how Clayton compared urban skiing to being a construction worker. In my mind, most construction workers really don't enjoy there jobs that often. It is simply a way to support their families and acquire money. I am not talking about the designers, contractors or supervisors. I am talking about your average construction worker who is busting his ass on the work site every day to make ends meet. Personally, I don't find skiing to be similar to that at all. Skiing is an activity where you seek self fulfillment and enjoyment. Every time you get a new trick or perfect one, you are satisfied. You do it all for yourself. Being a construction worker is often not something you wanted to get into when you were younger. There are definitely exceptions to this, but having done some work in construction I can say that for a lot of people this is the case. Not trying to hate on the movie, just trying to have a discussion.


I believe that the comparison was Clayton trying to stress the difference between what most people consider to be skiing and what they do.
Nov 12 2015 8:12PM
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eheath
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GuacamoleManeThe only ski movie I have ever seen that bummed me out. They make skiing look dark and sad. The way they made it look is not a true reflection of the sport. The fact that they look at getting shots as a job and not a passion is depressing and wrong. Obviously the shots were bangers but their hearts were in the wrong place


FunkmasterFleckDon't get me wrong, Thought the movie was really sick and well done. However, I found it to be somewhat depressing. Skiing for me has always been motivated by fun and striving to continue to have fun. The way they discussed urban skiing and how they didn't have much time left in there lives to do it bummed me out. It was obvious during a lot of the movie to me that they weren't really enjoying themselves. They were just doing it because they felt it had to be finished. An example of this was when Cam hit that insane dfd 132 times before getting the trick. Again don't get me wrong, it was fucking insane and really sick. Props to Cam for that and I am sure he was really satisfied with the trick, but in my mind, did he really enjoy spending his whole day beating the fuck out of himself for that shot. Also, I didn't like how Clayton compared urban skiing to being a construction worker. In my mind, most construction workers really don't enjoy there jobs that often. It is simply a way to support their families and acquire money. I am not talking about the designers, contractors or supervisors. I am talking about your average construction worker who is busting his ass on the work site every day to make ends meet. Personally, I don't find skiing to be similar to that at all. Skiing is an activity where you seek self fulfillment and enjoyment. Every time you get a new trick or perfect one, you are satisfied. You do it all for yourself. Being a construction worker is often not something you wanted to get into when you were younger. There are definitely exceptions to this, but having done some work in construction I can say that for a lot of people this is the case. Not trying to hate on the movie, just trying to have a discussion.


You guys don't get it, urban skiing isn't always fun. Hanging out with your friends, putting time into a spot and getting a high level of content isn't easy and is pretty frustrating after time. Most of my friends who ski/film urban are super burnt out at the end of the year because its an exhausting process.

The point is that the suffering is worth the result, if they wanted to just ski for fun they'd go to the resort every day, but then they'd lose that satisfaction of their film part. Sometimes people like that satisfaction or that rush vs just having fun. Does that help you guys get it? You can't make an urban movie without showing how it actually is, which sometimes is depressing and not fun.
Nov 12 2015 8:25PM
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FelonDegeneres
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eheathYou guys don't get it, urban skiing isn't always fun. Hanging out with your friends, putting time into a spot and getting a high level of content isn't easy and is pretty frustrating after time. Most of my friends who ski/film urban are super burnt out at the end of the year because its an exhausting process.

The point is that the suffering is worth the result, if they wanted to just ski for fun they'd go to the resort every day, but then they'd lose that satisfaction of their film part. Sometimes people like that satisfaction or that rush vs just having fun. Does that help you guys get it? You can't make an urban movie without showing how it actually is, which sometimes is depressing and not fun.

I feel what you're saying but when does it become too much. Like when Cam hit that rail 150 times. Im sure there was satisfaction but the entire day when he was doing that it didn't seem like he was having fun. To me at least, skiing isn't about spending an entire day trying to slide a whole rail. It was sick as fuck in the end but I would rather be enjoying myself. Is the fulfillment the next day as worthwhile as having fun? The reason I ski is because I enjoy it. I try and push myself but when I stop having fun I stop trying the trick or stop skiing.
Nov 12 2015 8:45PM
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dustygoldflakes
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GuacamoleManeThe only ski movie I have ever seen that bummed me out. They make skiing look dark and sad. The way they made it look is not a true reflection of the sport. The fact that they look at getting shots as a job and not a passion is depressing and wrong. Obviously the shots were bangers but their hearts were in the wrong place

I get where you are coming from and I sort of felt the same way at times, but you gotta look at it from their perspective. They were discussing solely URBAN skiing which anyone can admit is very hard work. The DFD rail that took Cam Riley nearly 100 tries was a perfect example. He said "you go through nearly every emotion" and that looked beyond frustrating. They portrayed it as a job but as a passion as well; they just kind of used a deeper way of calling it a passion rather than just saying it is. I believe they referred to it as "a strange obsession."
Nov 12 2015 9:01PM
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eheath
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FunkmasterFleckI feel what you're saying but when does it become too much. Like when Cam hit that rail 150 times. Im sure there was satisfaction but the entire day when he was doing that it didn't seem like he was having fun. To me at least, skiing isn't about spending an entire day trying to slide a whole rail. It was sick as fuck in the end but I would rather be enjoying myself. Is the fulfillment the next day as worthwhile as having fun? The reason I ski is because I enjoy it. I try and push myself but when I stop having fun I stop trying the trick or stop skiing.


I can almost guarantee that the feeling of landing that double kink was 1000 times better than anything cam has ever done on skis.

I dunno about you, but when I used to do tricks, I would hike a rail and try a trick until I couldnt stand up. Not sure how else to explain it.
Nov 12 2015 9:14PM
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e~b
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FunkmasterFleckI feel what you're saying but when does it become too much. Like when Cam hit that rail 150 times. Im sure there was satisfaction but the entire day when he was doing that it didn't seem like he was having fun. To me at least, skiing isn't about spending an entire day trying to slide a whole rail. It was sick as fuck in the end but I would rather be enjoying myself. Is the fulfillment the next day as worthwhile as having fun? The reason I ski is because I enjoy it. I try and push myself but when I stop having fun I stop trying the trick or stop skiing.


but you aren't skiing for a job. like clayton said, each year you have to put out a part, and if you are lacking in that part you can lose your job. They do this for their livelihood and can't just call it quits when stuff gets too hard for the average skier
Nov 12 2015 9:36PM
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hoodcrew
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https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/739888/Featured-Feature--Mid-Mountain-Closeout

Like most things in life, urban can have its ups and downs. At the end of the day, however, you're still skiing, which is the sport we all love and the reason why there is such a strong community here on this website.

In life, you can look at the glass half-empty or half-full. Things are not always as black and white as that but we often have the opportunity to frame things a certain way and the framing here is slightly on the more dark side of the spectrum. That makes for a compelling documentary but definitely isn't motivating the kids to get out in the streets.

The way we see it is that, skiing, wherever your at, should generally be a positive aspect of life. Once it shifts from a hobby to a career, maybe that changes the way some approach the sport but overall this activity is one that we are all incredibly passionate about and has helped create lifelong memories from the surreal experiences we have shared with people we are close with.. such that friends really turn into family.

For Lack of Better is a great documentary, with top notch skiing that does a very effective job at telling its story. It's good to see both sides of the spectrum because the majority of action sports movies simply focus on the "stoke" and overemphasized good vibes, which gets pretty redundant and cliché, and doesn't necessarily paint a genuine overall picture.
Nov 12 2015 11:00PM
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joey.badass
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yungsteezeNext level shit right here. Crazy how they don't even enjoy hitting these features, but theyre so passionate that they do it for hours until they get the shot. Nobody else is doing what they do in the industry.


How is no one else doing it? Every single person putting out a street part in any movie is putting in hours just for a single shot. BC is the same way, hours of work for one shot.
Nov 12 2015 11:05PM
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yungsteeze
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joey.badassHow is no one else doing it? Every single person putting out a street part in any movie is putting in hours just for a single shot. BC is the same way, hours of work for one shot.


If you watched it you'd know. Never seen somebody jump off rail on the edge of a 5 story building before haha. The level of risk for some of the shots they're getting is unmatched.
Nov 12 2015 11:16PM
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HenriksDreads
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yungsteezeIf you watched it you'd know. Never seen somebody jump off rail on the edge of a 5 story building before haha. The level of risk for some of the shots they're getting is unmatched.


this. everyone is doing the same thing as far as working for shots, but i think the whole 'no one else is doing it' is more about some of the shit they're hitting, not the process of geting the shot
Nov 12 2015 11:55PM
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BROLF
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FunkmasterFleckI feel what you're saying but when does it become too much. Like when Cam hit that rail 150 times. Im sure there was satisfaction but the entire day when he was doing that it didn't seem like he was having fun. To me at least, skiing isn't about spending an entire day trying to slide a whole rail. It was sick as fuck in the end but I would rather be enjoying myself. Is the fulfillment the next day as worthwhile as having fun? The reason I ski is because I enjoy it. I try and push myself but when I stop having fun I stop trying the trick or stop skiing.


Have you ever tried a trick nearly that many times? It's super frustrating but landing it is so much more satisfying. The rush they get is multiplied that much more due to the intensity of features and number of tries, I'm sure it's more than worth it to them. And to everyone bummed on them saying they get satisfaction from people being hyped on their projects, how would you not? When the ski community appreciates what you put out and every is calling it "mind blowing" and "next level" it's gonna feel great. And it's gonna motivate you to do it again the next year.
Nov 13 2015 12:41AM
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StokeFactor
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The "negative vibe" in the movie is absolutely necessary in my opinion. We all watch tons of urban segments every year and this movie is simply showing us the behind the scene of how the best of these segments are made.

I prefer a movie really showing me what's behind the segments than people trying to sell me stuff trough the fake image of their "perfect life" on social media (because yes a part of our ski scene is going that way).
Nov 13 2015 1:39AM
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Obie.
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Hats off to everyone involved. That was fuggin' titties.

The segment where Cam was battling that rail to 5 story drop and Clayton mentioned the simple words "No one goes bigger than Cam." It sent chills up my spine -- as corny as that sounds. Along with the camera work in that particular scene, it goes down as one of the best pieces in ski movie history IMO.
I've owned and re-watched (many times) every Stept movie since Network, hearing that from Clayton I instantly felt a personal connection to their movies. As Cam has gone huge, on fucking everything....for years. I hope to see all these dudes in ski movies for years to come, whether they're in front of lens, or in the production crew -- cuz everything they touch turns to gold.
Nov 13 2015 7:15AM
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loganimlachhats off


helmets on?
Nov 13 2015 8:41AM
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loganimlach
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hoodcrewhttps://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/739888/Featured-Feature--Mid-Mountain-Closeout

Like most things in life, urban can have its ups and downs. At the end of the day, however, you're still skiing, which is the sport we all love and the reason why there is such a strong community here on this website.

In life, you can look at the glass half-empty or half-full. Things are not always as black and white as that but we often have the opportunity to frame things a certain way and the framing here is slightly on the more dark side of the spectrum. That makes for a compelling documentary but definitely isn't motivating the kids to get out in the streets.

The way we see it is that, skiing, wherever your at, should generally be a positive aspect of life. Once it shifts from a hobby to a career, maybe that changes the way some approach the sport but overall this activity is one that we are all incredibly passionate about and has helped create lifelong memories from the surreal experiences we have shared with people we are close with.. such that friends really turn into family.

For Lack of Better is a great documentary, with top notch skiing that does a very effective job at telling its story. It's good to see both sides of the spectrum because the majority of action sports movies simply focus on the "stoke" and overemphasized good vibes, which gets pretty redundant and cliché, and doesn't necessarily paint a genuine overall picture.


Nov 13 2015 9:43AM
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joey.badass
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yungsteezeIf you watched it you'd know. Never seen somebody jump off rail on the edge of a 5 story building before haha. The level of risk for some of the shots they're getting is unmatched.



Dude yeah people are and have, I'm not hating on Cam whatsoever and mad props to him for hitting that, that shit is big and gnarly and was probably scary as fuck. Yeah its a 5 story garage but theres snow up about 2 floors making a somewhere closer to a 30-40 foot drop and people have jumped off shit pretty damn close to that. Wally's 7 blunt this year, B devine acid dropped like a 30-40 ft bridge in some filthy rich productions a long time ago, that under construction building martini jumps out of in weight was probably somewhere around 30. Cam is bad as fuck I just don't agree with some claims fans make.
Nov 13 2015 12:38PM
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hoodcrewhttps://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/739888/Featured-Feature--Mid-Mountain-Closeout

For Lack of Better is a great documentary, with top notch skiing that does a very effective job at telling its story. It's good to see both sides of the spectrum because the majority of action sports movies simply focus on the "stoke" and overemphasized good vibes, which gets pretty redundant and cliché, and doesn't necessarily paint a genuine overall picture.



A urban movie that is the complete opposite of for lack of better is Snowcieties Michigan. They have the same story about producing it, filming it, and skiing urban but Its just on the other end of the spectrum. https://vimeo.com/134757562 Bottom line is snowcieties made it look easy, had way more skiing, and it was free. For lack of better was depressing, had a lot of talking, a couple insane features, and cost 10$.
Nov 13 2015 12:39PM
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joey.badass
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yungsteezeIf you watched it you'd know. Never seen somebody jump off rail on the edge of a 5 story building before haha. The level of risk for some of the shots they're getting is unmatched.


And for the level of risk is "unmatched', what you don't think you can break legs, tears acls, collapse lungs and possibly die on any other urban feature besides a 5 story garage. You don't think you can die from hitting your head on cement from just a close out or trying a big disaster? Sarah burke died hitting her head in pipe, you don't think that can happen in urban or anywhere your a fool.
Nov 13 2015 12:44PM
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StokeFactor
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joey.badassAnd for the level of risk is "unmatched', what you don't think you can break legs, tears acls, collapse lungs and possibly die on any other urban feature besides a 5 story garage. You don't think you can die from hitting your head on cement from just a close out or trying a big disaster? Sarah burke died hitting her head in pipe, you don't think that can happen in urban or anywhere your a fool.


Dude you're right about the risk factor always being there in urban but you gotta chill about all this. They're not saying that the risk factor isn't there anywhere else they're just saying that it's higher in certain features in For Lack of Better.
Nov 13 2015 1:27PM
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HenriksDreads
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dirtydipers9A urban movie that is the complete opposite of for lack of better is Snowcieties Michigan. They have the same story about producing it, filming it, and skiing urban but Its just on the other end of the spectrum. https://vimeo.com/134757562 Bottom line is snowcieties made it look easy, had way more skiing, and it was free. For lack of better was depressing, had a lot of talking, a couple insane features, and cost 10$.


Except for the fact that Snowcieties was released as a short ski film and For Lack of Better was released as a DOCUMENTARY. Docement. Ary. Documentary. As in- intended to document something. It's not a ski movie. It's a documentary about urban skiing. What do some of you not get about this? If you're buying it expecting a film like weight, or mutiny, or 10 and 2, you're gonna have a bad time.
Nov 13 2015 1:33PM
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dirtydipers9
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nick_aExcept for the fact that Snowcieties was released as a short ski film and For Lack of Better was released as a DOCUMENTARY. Docement. Ary. Documentary. As in- intended to document something. It's not a ski movie. It's a documentary about urban skiing. What do some of you not get about this? If you're buying it expecting a film like weight, or mutiny, or 10 and 2, you're gonna have a bad time.


You could argue that if snowcieties was a document, and you add an Ary to it, that would equal a snowcieties documentary. haha thats about how dumb you sound trying to explain the term documentary to me. I get it. If snowcieties was $10 and said it was a documentary about skiers filming urban in Michigan would it be considered a documentary?

Bottom line is.... I dont want to pay $10 to hear a cry baby story about how much time, effort, and energy it takes to do it.
Nov 13 2015 2:26PM
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BieberHole69
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dirtydipers9I get it.


I still don't think you get it.
Nov 13 2015 3:20PM
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StokeFactor
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dirtydipers9You could argue that if snowcieties was a document, and you add an Ary to it, that would equal a snowcieties documentary. haha thats about how dumb you sound trying to explain the term documentary to me. I get it. If snowcieties was $10 and said it was a documentary about skiers filming urban in Michigan would it be considered a documentary?

Bottom line is.... I dont want to pay $10 to hear a cry baby story about how much time, effort, and energy it takes to do it.


Wow dude this is a sad story. Can I make a documentary about you being sad and crying because you "wasted" 10$ on a movie that isn't edited like you wanted?

But seriously this movie is totally worth your 10$, I suggest you just put it aside for now and rewatch it in a few months, I'm pretty sure you'll end up liking it one day ;).
Nov 13 2015 4:53PM
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