TRUMP 2016

fuckmekevinObama was a great puppet for the same elites that Trump sits under. That is, our foreign policy is much of the same. Socially, Trump has led to this great divide. Obama seemed to bring it together, partly because he was the 1st black president. Of course there were many other reasons people loved Obama.

What I'm saying is impeaching Trump, which it seems the neocons and neoliberals are advocating will do little to nothing. The pyramid scheme will still be well in place. I know this is a generalization but throughout the past decade, no matter the president our foreign policy is still rules by the neoconserrvative and neoliberal think tank, Kagen zio, war-mongering ideologies.

TheDoughAbidesExactly! Those in power are quite successfully keeping the rest of us distracted in culture wars to postpone the inevitable class war!

I mean honestly I'm right there with you. Neocon/neoliberal is basically the same adherence to and worshipping of financial services and international interventionism, they just have different approaches. It's hard to condone any of the ideologically motivated policy decisions that have happened in my lifetime, they usually don't work out that great. That being said, the rationality and acceptance of historical norms did provide some modicum of stability.

All other politics aside, this really is the scariest part. It goes without saying Donald Trump is ill-informed and ill-prepared but he is also temperamentally unfit for office. He has neither the patience nor capacity to examine an issue from afar, weigh rational options, and rally people to his decision. Its like handing over the keys to the nuclear arsenal to your senile old racist great grandfather. It's really hard to imagine Trump involved in any sort of rational dialogue or diplomatic plan of action surrounding North Korea, and that's the worst part. For the sake of pleasing hardcore budget slashers, the state department isn't even staffed beyond so there'd be nobody to carry out a plan even if it existed. We obviously CANNOT go to war with North Korea because most of South Korea and our troops stationed there would die instantly before any of our missiles landed in NK. Iraq and Afghanistan bankrupted the nation and they were "limited" conflicts historically speaking. Can you imagine what a unilateral full scale war with NK would do to the deficit? Or what millions more pounds of ordinance unloaded could do to accelerate climate change?

NK has been seeking nuclear weapons long before Trump, but Kim Jong Un decided that this is his best chance to finish the project, let Trump engage in bombastic twitter threats, lose the support of the international community, not have any hard hitting diplomatic options ready, and flounder around not knowing what to do when the threats don't do anything. When the US has no structure in place to stop them other than a preemptive strike (aka right now) is when they will make the most progress. Let's just hope that the generals take the reins on this and don't let him do anything stupid.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/03/trump-north-korea-nuclear-242289
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/03/world/asia/north-korea-tremor-possible-6th-nuclear-test.html?mcubz=1

mikemacI mean honestly I'm right there with you. Neocon/neoliberal is basically the same adherence to and worshipping of financial services and international interventionism, they just have different approaches. It's hard to condone any of the ideologically motivated policy decisions that have happened in my lifetime, they usually don't work out that great. That being said, the rationality and acceptance of historical norms did provide some modicum of stability.

All other politics aside, this really is the scariest part. It goes without saying Donald Trump is ill-informed and ill-prepared but he is also temperamentally unfit for office. He has neither the patience nor capacity to examine an issue from afar, weigh rational options, and rally people to his decision. Its like handing over the keys to the nuclear arsenal to your senile old racist great grandfather. It's really hard to imagine Trump involved in any sort of rational dialogue or diplomatic plan of action surrounding North Korea, and that's the worst part. For the sake of pleasing hardcore budget slashers, the state department isn't even staffed beyond so there'd be nobody to carry out a plan even if it existed. We obviously CANNOT go to war with North Korea because most of South Korea and our troops stationed there would die instantly before any of our missiles landed in NK. Iraq and Afghanistan bankrupted the nation and they were "limited" conflicts historically speaking. Can you imagine what a unilateral full scale war with NK would do to the deficit? Or what millions more pounds of ordinance unloaded could do to accelerate climate change?

NK has been seeking nuclear weapons long before Trump, but Kim Jong Un decided that this is his best chance to finish the project, let Trump engage in bombastic twitter threats, lose the support of the international community, not have any hard hitting diplomatic options ready, and flounder around not knowing what to do when the threats don't do anything. When the US has no structure in place to stop them other than a preemptive strike (aka right now) is when they will make the most progress. Let's just hope that the generals take the reins on this and don't let him do anything stupid.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/03/trump-north-korea-nuclear-242289
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/03/world/asia/north-korea-tremor-possible-6th-nuclear-test.html?mcubz=1

There are probably many reasons why the US and Its allies fear North Korea but I think the corporate medias reporting is highly sensationalized, albeit intentionally misleading. It's hard for me to take the media seriously, even politico when they spew nonsense regarding the North Korean leader using tigers and lions to kill his dissenters or for that matter innocent soldier for entertainment purposes. I think a large portion of the North Korean fear monger narrative is disinformation and at timea outright lies. I also find it interesting that Kim Jong-un was educated in Switzerland, among places.

North korea obviously has some serious problems. The people ther are monstrously oppressed but I think the US interventionalist policy is not a principality for humanitarianism.

Considering the fact that the NK fear mongering skyrocketed right after Trump bombed the Syrian government, effectively strengthening ISIS (while simultaneously reducing strikes against ISIS dramatically), and has hamstrung efforts to initiate an impartial investigation, it would be indubitably advised to take the official account of what goes wrong, whether it by NK or Syria or anything for that matter with a grain of salt.

Wars of aggression are framed in terms of defense, provocations as diplomacy, and the target as a super villain who’s only motive is death and destruction.

I think largely like Afghan. (lithium), geopolitics play a crucial role in promoting this fear and enemy image.

Not only does North Korea not have a privatized central bank comparable to the federal reserve or Rothschild owned but NK also sits atop trillions of dollars in rare earth metals. Supposedly, twice as large as the entire worlds current reserve.

China currently has what I would call a monopoly on world production which is used to make electronics.

Mentioning, Afghanistan it is notable that the new narrative is also revealing: Russia is being accused of backing the Taliban by proxy. This is probably true seeing that there is a geopolitical proxy war here between the US and Russia. In this case, trillions of dollars in Litium and rare earth metals.

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Afghanistan is blessed with presence of what are trillions (with an s on the end) trillions of dollars worth of minerals if and only if you can get the extractive technology, the human capital operated, the lines of communications to enable you to get it out of the country and all the rest of that.

Army General David Patreus - Meet the Press August 2010

"The U.S. has also held North Korea under aggressive and ever tightening sanctions which have brought the country to the brink of humanitarian crisis numerous times."

"In 2013 new sanctions cut North Korea off from the global financial system. In March of 2016 they banned its exports of gold, vanadium, titanium and rare earth metals."

"The rare earth metals part is important.. Remember, China already has a stranglehold on the rare earth metal industry world wide. If North Korea were allowed to exploit their deposit, global production would remain within China’s sphere of influence. Sanctions prevent China from expanding its dominance in this area temporarily, but to block China on this front permanently would require regime change (which brings us full circle)."

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Tl;dr

fuckmekevinI think largely like Afghan. (lithium), geopolitics play a crucial role in promoting this fear and enemy image.

Not only does North Korea not have a privatized central bank comparable to the federal reserve or Rothschild owned but NK also sits atop trillions of dollars in rare earth metals. Supposedly, twice as large as the entire worlds current reserve.

China currently has what I would call a monopoly on world production which is used to make electronics.

Mentioning, Afghanistan it is notable that the new narrative is also revealing: Russia is being accused of backing the Taliban by proxy. This is probably true seeing that there is a geopolitical proxy war here between the US and Russia. In this case, trillions of dollars in Litium and rare earth metals.

**This post was edited on Sep 4th 2017 at 3:26:05pm

fuckmekevinAfghanistan is blessed with presence of what are trillions (with an s on the end) trillions of dollars worth of minerals if and only if you can get the extractive technology, the human capital operated, the lines of communications to enable you to get it out of the country and all the rest of that.

Army General David Patreus - Meet the Press August 2010


"In 2013 new sanctions cut North Korea off from the global financial system. In March of 2016 they banned its exports of gold, vanadium, titanium and rare earth metals."

"The rare earth metals part is important.. Remember, China already has a stranglehold on the rare earth metal industry world wide. If North Korea were allowed to exploit their deposit, global production would remain within China’s sphere of influence. Sanctions prevent China from expanding its dominance in this area temporarily, but to block China on this front permanently would require regime change (which brings us full circle)."

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Droppin knowledge like bombs. This is what its all about kids, don't forget to get that new iphone this year!
We need to just start mining asteroids for rare earths, then we can replace the military industrial complex with space exploration.

mikemacWe need to just start mining asteroids for rare earths, then we can replace the military industrial complex with space exploration.

who gives a fuck about rare earths

id rather not have to worry about other countries nuking/invading my country!

eheathId consider myself moderate, maybe even republican if it was 1960. I think the super liberals are ridiculous and i think anyone who supports trump doesnt deserve any respect.

The last 10 words of your post don't sound like something a moderate would say though

.frenchywho gives a fuck about rare earths

id rather not have to worry about other countries nuking/invading my country!

i'm talking completely hypothetically here, but wouldn't it be nice to gather our resources outside our atmosphere so we can fuck up some other floating rocks rather than our own? One of the biggest reasons states go to war with one another is competition over resources and economic reasons, and climate change is likely to exacerbate economic stress, making it more enticing for nations to use military means to secure resources.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the military protecting us, I obviously want the Air Force to have nuclear countermeasures (which they do) and have special ops capable of going after the real bad guys (which they do), etc. etc. etc. but I am making a case against those who profit from war and have an incentive to invest in its continuation. I'm talking about the military industrial complex, a symbiotic and inflated relationship between the government and defense contractors. We need defense contractors, but any criticism of them is harshly condemned as radical socialism, so taxpayers like us foot the bill for all their fuckups. Like Halliburton KBR in Iraq for example, the defense contractor wing of Dick Cheney's company which he was an executive and shareholder of both before and after the Iraq war:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jun/09/arianna-huffington/halliburton-kbr-and-iraq-war-contracting-history-s/
"Government officials have raised many questions about KBR's fulfillment of its contracts, everything from billing for meals it didn't serve to charging inflated prices for gas to excessive administrative costs. Government auditors have noted that KBR refused to turn over electronic data in its native format and stamped documents as proprietary and secret when the documents would normally be considered public records.

Over the course of several years, the Defense Contract Audit Agency found that $553 million in payments should be disallowed to KBR, according to 2009 testimony by agency director April Stephenson before the bipartisan Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan."

And that's just for the basic stuff that happens around bases, I won't even get into how Erik Prince, founder and CEO of Blackwater Worldwide got his 2.4 billion dollar net worth by supplying mercenaries to all kinds of governments, not just our own, or their history of human rights abuses, or their history of fucking their contractors (read soldiers and veterans) out of money that's owed to them or covering funeral costs after not providing them enough logistical support having guys go out into Anbar province alone in jeeps with no air cover or any support whatsoever. Also, Betsy Devos is his sister and she was married away into a fellow Michigan oligarch/anarcho-theocratic conservative family if that gives you any insight into the types of people I'm condemning.

Halliburton also made enough off the Iraq war to basically invent fracking, so we can thank them for that as well. I'm not dissing our military at all, I have tons of buddies and relatives who've served and have the utmost respect for them. I do have a problem with politicians and ceos buddying up and profiting off of the deaths and taxes of hardworking Americans. And the part about asteroid mining/space thing was pretty much a joke, but not really bc thanks to Elon Musk we may actually live to see it happen.

If you've never heard about the military industrial complex maybe you'll learn something today so here's Eisenhower's farewell address warning us about the type of defense contracting industry that we developed over the course of the 20th century. At the time of this speech military spending as a percent of GDP was 10%, thankfully it has now shrank to about 4%. It's not a massive part of our economy, but enough to care when the billing is off by 500 million:
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/874785/Eisenhower-warns-us-of-the-military-industrial-complex-

I'm gonna go be a dreamer in Iraq

.frenchywho gives a fuck about rare earths

...ultra wealthy people who would send you and your boys off to go get blown up in whatever undeveloped country they have to if it adds a zero or two to their net worth...

TheDoughAbides...ultra wealthy people who would send you and your boys off to go get blown up in whatever undeveloped country they have to if it adds a zero or two to their net worth...

uh okay???

I. CAN. NOT. WAIT.

For free speech week. Oh the butthurt that's going to ensue will be glorious.

Hypehypehype

JAHpowI. CAN. NOT. WAIT.

For free speech week. Oh the butthurt that's going to ensue will be glorious.

Hypehypehype

observe the maga chud retreating to his breitbart safe space

JAHpowI. CAN. NOT. WAIT.

For free speech week. Oh the butthurt that's going to ensue will be glorious.

Hypehypehype

I'm assuming you mean Berkeley's "free speech week"? Stupid trolls.

mirozI'm assuming you mean Berkeley's "free speech week"? Stupid trolls.

Antifa is the stupid trolls.

lololol

^

The irony when Trump has

1. Gary Cohn
2. Steve Mnuchin
3. Jim Donovan

on his team and formerly Steven Bannon who all worked at Goldman.

well, in the past week trump sided with democrats on DACA, and walked back claims to pull out of the Paris climate accords.

how do you feel now magatards? tired of winning yet? still deny the fact you were conned?

ChillTeenDad420well, in the past week trump sided with democrats on DACA, and walked back claims to pull out of the Paris climate accords.

how do you feel now magatards? tired of winning yet? still deny the fact you were conned?

you're still salty about the L huh?

.frenchyyou're still salty about the L huh?

fucking trumptards only defense when criticized is, "but,but,but HILLARY!!!!"

Who cares about Hillary??? Its over! take off your blinders and look at Trump... He's done nothing he's promised his supporters and hes working with dems... I know its hard for yall but you were conned!!!

ChillTeenDad420fucking trumptards only defense when criticized is, "but,but,but HILLARY!!!!"

Who cares about Hillary??? Its over! take off your blinders and look at Trump... He's done nothing he's promised his supporters and hes working with dems... I know its hard for yall but you were conned!!!

You are fucking delusional.

I mean beyond appoint Gorsuch, Trump really hasn't accomplished much.

1. Build a wall-Not even close
2. Immigration ban-Not really.
3. Bring manufacturing jobs back-Nope.
4. Tariffs on Mexico and China-Not really. Thank god.
5. Renegotiate NAFTA and pull out of the TPP-Not yet, and yes. Both bad choices.
6. Repeal and Replace Obamacare-Not even close.
7. Renegotiate the Iran Deal-Not yet.
8. Tax Reform-Not even close.
9. Destroy ISIS-Nope. They are still bombing people.
10. Drain the swamp-Not. Even. Close.


Please don't make me rehash my posts discussing how Trump really hasn't done enough to make any significant changes to the labor market or economy.

He has played a lot of golf though.

.MASSHOLE.9. Destroy ISIS-Nope. They are still bombing people.

Don't pretend like you know a fucking thing about ISIS, muslims have been bombing people forever.... MOAB MOAB MOAB HOOAH

.frenchyDon't pretend like you know a fucking thing about ISIS, muslims have been bombing people forever.... MOAB MOAB MOAB HOOAH

I don't think you had an actual coherent thought before typing that out.

But I actually do know quite a bit about Middle Eastern politics, I spent a whole year studying it and briefly contemplated turning it into a career before I realized I'd have to learn Arabic.

That being said, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that destroying ISIS actual "caliphate" =/= destroying ISIS and their ideology. Ideologies can't be physically destroyed short of exterminating an entire group of people, globally. Not just in Iraq or Syria, but in England, the US, Canada, Malaysia, Germany, Russia, Afghanistan, Africa, etc.

Good luck with that.

It was a stupid campaign promise but people bought it up like every other lie he peddled.

.frenchyYou are fucking delusional.

Care to elaborate?

What has Trump done so far to fulfill his promises to his voters? Can you give me one thing?

There is no rational way to defend trumps performance other than the economy is doing well, which is largely independent of who is in office...

I guess hes banned transgender people from the military, are you stoked about that?

ChillTeenDad420I guess hes banned transgender people from the military, are you stoked about that?

Yes

.frenchyYes

Why

ChillTeenDad420Why

1. dont need anyone with a mental disorder in military
2. military should not pay for that bullshit
3. the transgender briefs are waste of time, effects infantry readiness and also uses up time that could be used for real training.

.frenchy1. dont need anyone with a mental disorder in military
2. military should not pay for that bullshit
3. the transgender briefs are waste of time, effects infantry readiness and also uses up time that could be used for real training.

1. They let you in the military
2. Military pays more for viagra so limp dicks can get laid than on transgendered troops
3. Same statement in the 1940s "the integration briefs are a waste of time, black people in the military effects infantry readiness and we could use the time for real training"

ChillTeenDad4201. They let you in the military
2. Military pays more for viagra so limp dicks can get laid than on transgendered troops
3. Same statement in the 1940s "the integration briefs are a waste of time, black people in the military effects infantry readiness and we could use the time for real training"

haha great comeback my dude! ha ha ha

military pays for viagra for retired vets who have done their 20 years of service and more than enough for this country.... its part of their health insurance, guy

i dont give a fuck about the 40's

.frenchyhaha great comeback my dude! ha ha ha

military pays for viagra for retired vets who have done their 20 years of service and more than enough for this country.... its part of their health insurance, guy

i dont give a fuck about the 40's

Well gald we could have a debate on the singular "win" trump has given you so far, a ban on fighting alongside someone who had their dick cut off. You must be tired of winning by now

.frenchyAntifa is the stupid trolls.

Antifa is reactionary. The trolls coming to Berkeley are incendiary. Their goal is to rile people up so that they can brawl and then bark about supposed "liberal intolerance". What a load of shit.

ChillTeenDad420Well gald we could have a debate on the singular "win" trump has given you so far, a ban on fighting alongside someone who had their dick cut off. You must be tired of winning by now

they don't belong on the front lines with the real men. sorry

.frenchyuh okay???

So you're in the military, are you saying you're totally cool with Your platoon or your buddy's platoon getting wasted to protect some shareholders bottom line? I think the argument here is for the proper allocation of military force, and not sending our troops into conflict zones for the wrong reasons.

It's not a condemnation of the military, but rather a question: should we really continue investing in the neoliberal interventionist policy of nation building? it clearly does nothing for global stability (more often than not it results in the exact opposite than the desired outcomes) all while rapidly bankrupting our nations coffers and enriching defense industry CEOs. Is that really the best we can do with our combined scientific and military might? Endless occupation of obscure foreign lands is not exactly what the founding fathers had in mind..... in fact it's the exact opposite

.frenchythey don't belong on the front lines with the real men. sorry

Neither do you

.frenchywho gives a fuck about rare earths

id rather not have to worry about other countries nuking/invading my country!

+1

.MASSHOLE.But I actually do know quite a bit about Middle Eastern politics, I spent a whole year studying it

Sounds like a fucking great use of your time

erikKSounds like a fucking great use of your time

yeah, getting an education is a total waste of time. Its true what they say, ignorance is bliss! What more could you possibly need to know other than nascar, bud heavies, and marb lights? Silly liberal elites, getting edumacated and all that when you could be huffing jenkem!

Charlie_KellyNeither do you

cute post kiddo, sorry it took so long to respond, I was at team leader academy. I'd love to see your pussy ass go to fort benning

His handling of this Puerto Rico disaster is absolutely horrendous.

.frenchycute post kiddo, sorry it took so long to respond, I was at team leader academy. I'd love to see your pussy ass go to fort benning

All I heard was "blah blah blah , I think Im a hardo, blah blah blah". I love kids like you that think they're better than any civ because you chose to serve. Sorry, you aren't. When the military stops going overseas to blow people up in the desert maybe Ill think about joining up. Until then Ill enjoy making a bigger paycheck than you NOT fighting for corporate interests. Probably the biggest collection of sheep are young kids like you that join up because you think you are actually fighting for "freedom". Keep that head in the sand Frenchie!!!

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Charlie_KellyAll I heard was "blah blah blah , I think Im a hardo, blah blah blah". I love kids like you that think they're better than any civ because you chose to serve. Sorry, you aren't. When the military stops going overseas to blow people up in the desert maybe Ill think about joining up. Until then Ill enjoy making a bigger paycheck than you NOT fighting for corporate interests. Probably the biggest collection of sheep are young kids like you that join up because you think you are actually fighting for "freedom". Keep that head in the sand Frenchie!!!
**This post was edited on Oct 1st 2017 at 10:15:47am

such a cuck response

you might get paid more but i wont complain about 1200+ paychecks while not paying for food, housing, dental, health, etc.... l o l


MAGA!

.frenchysuch a cuck response

you might get paid more but i wont complain about 1200+ paychecks while not paying for food, housing, dental, health, etc.... l o l


MAGA!

Oh Frenchie, you have proven you are King Cuck a 1000 times over.

Also, when is Trump planning on making America great again? When is a planning on getting any of his campaign promises done?

Charlie_KellyOh Frenchie, you have proven you are King Cuck a 1000 times over.

Also, when is Trump planning on making America great again? When is a planning on getting any of his campaign promises done?

youre gonna be so butt hurt when he wins in 2020, cant wait... all these kneeling football players being pussy cowards are making it soooo easy

Oh Frenchy....

Do you own any articles of clothing that are made up of the American flag? Bandanas? T-shirts? Shorts?

Do you get upset at people who do that?

Shouldn't you, given that that is actually disrespecting the flag?

.MASSHOLE.Oh Frenchy....

Do you own any articles of clothing that are made up of the American flag? Bandanas? T-shirts? Shorts?

Do you get upset at people who do that?

Shouldn't you, given that that is actually disrespecting the flag?

red white and blue shows patriotism, dont really care fucko

.frenchyred white and blue shows patriotism, dont really care fucko

I guess it isn't about the flag then for you.

You keep doing you grunt.

mikemacyeah, getting an education is a total waste of time. Its true what they say, ignorance is bliss! What more could you possibly need to know other than nascar, bud heavies, and marb lights? Silly liberal elites, getting edumacated and all that when you could be huffing jenkem!

I'm a geophysicist, love where my education has taken me, not sure what you're getting at.

Spending time studying Middle Eastern politics for 70,000 dollars a year or whatever you pay in the States is obviously a waste of fucking time.

erikKI'm a geophysicist, love where my education has taken me, not sure what you're getting at.

Spending time studying Middle Eastern politics for 70,000 dollars a year or whatever you pay in the States is obviously a waste of fucking time.

Do you Eskimos not have general distribution requirements?

Are you not given the freedom to take classes outside of your major for credit hours?

I didn’t major in middle eastern politics or religion, I took two courses in it because it interested me and provided credit hours.

Instead I majored in economics which landed me my current job at a hedge fund if you were curious.

Can't wait to see how the GOP is going to dance around and try to defend their idiotic gun laws after that tragic Las Vegas shooting.