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Charlie_KellyVail uses cloud seeding for about purported as well.
.MASSHOLE.Banned. And his alt too.
Charlie_KellyNooo, for what it's worth some of his comments were hilarious.
TheDoughAbideswtf is campeador btw to assure us all that this is just another leftist-deep-state coup? dude usually cant go 3 hours w/o shitposting...
.MASSHOLE.He definitely made me laugh at time, but not because he was funny...
I'm surprised it took this long. It'll be interesting to see if he comes back.
If you want your fill of right-wingers, check out TGRs Polyasshat.
freestyler540He was introduced to the ban hammer. His aliases were permabanned soon after. Turns out NS does not tolerate racism, hate speech and trolling.
freestyler540Trumps promises:
- No foreign interference
- No incompetence in government
- No intelligence leaks to foreign governments
- A trustworthy leader
- No cuts to medicaid
Man, Candidate Trump must really hate President Trump right now.
fuckmekevinTrump is a puppet.
mirozSo is this thread dead now? Someone argue with someone! Rabble!
.MASSHOLE.I think its more that we've kind of hit a repetitive cycle with him.
It goes like this: new allegations, more investigations, more bad press, rinse and repeat.
milk_manIt's actually kinda funny (but also sad) how much hate is shown toward trump from so many people, and it's widely accepted and even applauded
.MASSHOLE.I mean he isn't very popular so the amount of people speaking out against him shouldn't be shocking.
I think there is a very vocal minority that is coming out aggressively in how they approach the situation, which IMO, is wrong but it's not very different from the early days of Obama. The difference is, then it was just Fox, now it's the other news stations.
And I don't think anyone can argue against the fact that he brought much of this attention and dislike upon himself through his actions.
milk_manWhat were his actions during his presidency that brought out this much hate? Policy or otherwise
milk_manWhat were his actions during his presidency that brought out this much hate? Policy or otherwise
milk_manWhat were his actions during his presidency that brought out this much hate? Policy or otherwise
JAHpowNo clue what's going on in the thread but Bill Clinton's lowest approval rating was still lower than Trump currently.
Not saying I approve or disapprove, just being objective.
mikemacDon't know too much about Clinton's presidency, but I can assume that approval rating had a lot to do with Lewinski and him lying about it.
Funny how that conservative outrage about mysogeny, adultery and lies is completely missing today. it suits their interests to ignore the infinite number of lies that the "grab em by the pussy" guy gives us every week.
Trump is letting them push their deregulatory theocratic agenda so they're perfectly happy to ignore the fact that he stands against everything that evangelical conservatives supposedly do. The hypocrisy is unbelievable.
JAHpowNope, his approval rating was on a continuous uphill trend during the Lewinsky deal. His lowest approval rating happened early in his presidency.
Actually Trump is only a few approval points away at the moment from Clinton at the same time as his presidency.
The rest of your post is true. There are many hypocritical conservatives right now. Which is frustrating as a conservative myself.
mikemacWow, never would have guessed. I'm a registered independent who definitely leans conservative, but It's getting pretty hard for me to get on board with that worldview right now. Generally I believe that if the American people are expected to pay their bills and taxes on time, then the government should be held to the same standard of fiscal responsibility, but it kind of feels like mainstream conservatism has been sold down the river for this whacky new ultra-right. it's really hard for me to support rampant across the board budget cuts and this strange worship of short-sighted deregulation.
It's especially hard to justify it having come of age in the Iraq War/Recession era. I genuinely think GW is probably an ok dude, but his policies got us absolutely nothing besides the massive deficit which everyone loves to blame on Obama.
Financial deregulation gave us the recession, and it's frustrating to know dozens of people who lost their homes (because they had adjustable mortgages which the banks jacked sky high as soon as the shit hit the fan) and to see executives like Jamie Dimon get off with nothing but fatter bonuses and cabinet positions in the new administration.
I honestly find the current political polarization tragic, because the real answers lie somewhere in the middle, but nobody can work together. you have Fox News and the Koch Donor Class driving shit further and further to the right everyday, scaring people into voting against their interests because "democrats want you poor and gun-less to advance their globalist agenda." As someone who grew up with such tremendous pride in our country, it's really hard to watch what's happening today, and how many normal everyday people are getting screwed all the time. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
JAHpowIt was under the Clinton Administration where what would become the housing bubble started. So it's not just GW's fault.
milk_manConservatism and liberalism aren't worldviews
mikemacthey're political views, but if your political views provide the lens through which you view the world (as it seems with many folks in DC these days), doesn't that make them world views?
milk_manI see what you're saying but I think it's the other way around. I think your worldview, lifestyle, and area you live affects your politics more than your politics affects them
Special Counsel Robert Mueller has impaneled a grand jury in Washington to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections, a sign that his inquiry is growing in intensity and entering a new phase, according to two people familiar with the matter.
The grand jury, which began its work in recent weeks, is a sign that Mr. Mueller’s inquiry is ramping up and that it will likely continue for months. Mr. Mueller is investigating Russia’s efforts to influence the 2016 election and whether President Donald Trump’s campaign or associates colluded with the Kremlin as part of that effort.
.MASSHOLE.Pretty big news,
mikemacStoked on this. Doesn't necessarily tell us anything but it does sort of imply that he is planning to subpoena documents, review classified materials, and call witnesses to testify under oath. It's still probably a ways off, but this jury will be able to indict people of crimes if they choose to do so. Pretty sure Team Trump is going to start crumbling and snitching to save their own selfish asses and I for one am excited to see the carnage. I would love to see these corrupt motherfuckers go down for all the shit they've tried to pull in the last year.
TheDoughAbidesIf trump goes we gotta deal with pence and ryan though. two dudes who are way more competent at pushing their dystopian agenda currently touted by the gop.
mikemacHmmmm, you must not have been paying very close attention, but I'll give you a very BRIEF sparknotes version of a few things that have been going on.
First off, his inauguration speech was the most fascist, fearmongering, bullshit I've ever heard come out of the mouth of an American politician. He immediately proceeded lying/bragging about how he had the biggest crowd ever in history. While relatively unimportant, its just creepy to be that obsessed with yourself, and it really just proves he only ran because he thought it would be a cool popularity contest. His first speech as President was at the CIA, and rather than thank them for their service or talk substantive policy or discuss the challenges facing the world, he proceeded to give the most nonsensical, hard to listen to, impossible to understand, jumble of a speech in which he rants and raves about himself, how great he's going to be, and how big his inauguration crowd was. Listen to any of his speeches, TV interviews, or public appearances, and you will find a very confusing series of non-sequitors and word-salads. He rants and raves, throws out a few bullshit buzzwords, and dodges every question.
Now let's get to his appointees. A huge part of his campaign was running as the Washington Outsider. DC is corrupt, and slick Donnie knows how corrupt it is because he's buddies with all the rich people that make it corrupt. His basic campaign premise was "who better than me, the Donald, who's been rubbing elbows with the richest and most corrupt people in the country, to clean it up because I know who's doing it and how they're doing it because I've been involved with them." Remember the whole "drain the swamp" thing where he promised clean up DC? He claimed he was going to get rid of lobbyists and industry insiders, but he promptly appointed more and more to every position. Let's hone in on two appointees. Scott Pruit to Head of the EPA and Betsy Devos to Secretary of Education. Scott Pruit has spent his life as a industry operative for Fossil FUel companies. His entire career has been spent trying to sue the EPA into extinction at the behest of the corporate interests that benefit from lax environmental regulation (Coal, gas, oil, logging, chemical manufacturing, Monsanto, etc.). Now he has his chance and he is actively gutting the EPA, dismantling the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts (started by NIXON because of the terrible pollution in the country during the 70s), and replacing the Scientific Review Board (some of the nations best scientists were responsible for reviewing the effects/outcomes of certain policies) with fossil fuel industry insiders who are happy and willing (not to mention PAID) to slash regulations for oil and gas.
Betsy DeVos: A political appointee with ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERIENCE IN ANY SORT OF EDUCATIONAL OR ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE. She is the daughter of Richard DeVos, the 60th richest man in the US who has given billions of dollars to the republican party and the Koch donor network. He has also been investigated by federal governing bodies such as the SEC and the FTC for tax evasion and pyramid schemes. They are an extremely conservative family that basically believes if you weren't born with money like theirs, and you haven't been able to earn it on your own (which is totally achievable for most of America) then your an ungodly piece of shit and you don't deserve any help from the government, including public education. She has set to work slashing funding for public schools in favor of religious charter schools, and making it harder to get student loans and taking away student protections form collection costs and generally destroying whatever regulations stand in the way of debt collectors. She's an ultra-conservative ultra-religious evangelical Christian-right warrior who has done nothing in her life besides being born rich, and believes the federal government should be some sort of anarcho-libertarian theocracy.
Clearly, I could go on, but those are just a few issues that really bother me, and that's before you get to most fucked up stuff that's really happening ie a complete disregard for history and a massive lack of understanding of how the world or our legislative systems work, 'ALTERNATIVE FACTS,' labeling anything he doesn't agree with as 'fake news,' the healthcare debacle, the allegations of corruption with Russia and the incessant lying about EVERYTHING. Basically everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie, either intentionally or unintentionally. Can't tell what's worse, our president purposefully lying about everything, or just being an ignorant fuckhead talking out of his ass and trying to get away with it: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
I'm gonna get shit from trump fans for posting the NYTimes because somehow one of the most reputable journalistic enterprises in the world is now "fake news" and "socialist propaganda" (thanks Fox News).
TL;DR He's super corrupt, wants to destroy environmental regulation and public education, lies about everything, uses Fox and Friends and grocery store tabloids as his state run propaganda and is doing major damage to this country in more ways than I can include in this already too long post.
eheathHappy now conservatives? This is so fucked.
mirozSoooo today's statements have been...disgusting.
snowfinderLooking at right wing social media it is scary they are blaming obama and blm and not saying a thing about the Nazis and KKK.
.MASSHOLE.It's crazy. Really sad that this is happening in the 21st century in the US.
Lieutenant_DanDeep statement alert. Yo if evolution is true, then we don't fall pretty far from the monkeys we evolved from. Think about it...
milk_manHe said the racists are bad. Everyone is saying that. But..no one is blaming the clash on the people who filed for a permit to protest and did everything the "right" way regardless of how wrong their beliefs are. If they would've just been left alone there would have been no ugly clash and we could've discussed this like civilized people. But the "BLM" type counterprotest really is what caused the clash. That's what they're saying. And it's true.......
milk_manHe said the racists are bad. Everyone is saying that. But..no one is blaming the clash on the people who filed for a permit to protest and did everything the "right" way regardless of how wrong their beliefs are. If they would've just been left alone there would have been no ugly clash and we could've discussed this like civilized people. But the "BLM" type counterprotest really is what caused the clash. That's what they're saying. And it's true.......
S.J.WWouldn't really call antifa "BLM type counter protest". Antifa and BLM are two very different political identities. Anthony Giddens writes in his book " Beyond Left and Write. The Future of Radical Politics" about how the dehumanisation of politics leads people to extremes. He talks about how protests and counter protests turn violent as protestors and counter protestors both see the opposite side as merely their political beliefs and not the human being they are. Combine this with the mob mentality and violence is sure to erupt when two radical opposing ideas clash. All it takes is one person to initiate and one person to retaliate and this has a flow on effect which turns the whole protest and counter protest violent. To say one side is more at fault than the other is a gross over simplification. Both sides are to blame.
milk_manBut..no one is blaming the clash on the people who filed for a permit to protest and did everything the "right" way regardless of how wrong their beliefs are. If they would've just been left alone there would have been no ugly clash and we could've discussed this like civilized people. But the "BLM" type counterprotest really is what caused the clash. That's what they're saying. And it's true.......
S.J.WWouldn't really call antifa "BLM type counter protest". Antifa and BLM are two very different political identities. Anthony Giddens writes in his book " Beyond Left and Write. The Future of Radical Politics" about how the dehumanisation of politics leads people to extremes. He talks about how protests and counter protests turn violent as protestors and counter protestors both see the opposite side as merely their political beliefs and not the human being they are. Combine this with the mob mentality and violence is sure to erupt when two radical opposing ideas clash. All it takes is one person to initiate and one person to retaliate and this has a flow on effect which turns the whole protest and counter protest violent. To say one side is more at fault than the other is a gross over simplification. Both sides are to blame.
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We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence that's on many sides. On many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country.and here for the second where he doubled down on it
You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. You had a group, you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent.
