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K-Dot.Not as much anymore, but we still see the number of women involved in the STEMs as small but growing and indicative that there is a shift from those texts having as much merit as they've had for the last 2000 years. Just because things are the way they are now, doesn't mean they were always that way. Those exact lines don't hold as much merit as they once did but for much of human history they dominated ideology on the subject. Also, religion and particularly the bible has a still lasting effect on our perception of women to this day that trickles into women's perceived role in the work place. Women are often discouraged and intimidated in those fields of study, and yes, while there may be some who persist, it doesn't mean that as a whole, women haven't felt the effects of an ideology steering them from the STEMs.
It's comparable to you saying that white nationalist ideology doesn't have an effect on the US anymore because we had a black president.
onenerdykidThanks for the detailed response, I cut it short just for the sake of space. But I honestly do not buy it. The level of mental gymnastics you have to go through here just to soften this line from Timothy is nothing short of ridiculous. The amount of times we have to decipher implicit/suggested temporal truth from implicit/suggested universal truth in the Bible in order to make any sense of it just goes to show how incoherent this book really is. If anyone believes this book reflects the perfect word of the Creator, you really don't understand how truly good, clear, and cogent a perfect book should be. Such a book would certainly not have the obvious contradictions between the definition of the Golden Rule and how it ought to be implemented (treatment of women and owning slaves are obvious examples of this). It fails even the most introductory of logic courses.
ZennanNo problem! Well to each their own idea I guess! I just don't believe it is ridiculous considering that is what must be done for every book which is old like that. Especially when someone is writing in a language that no one speaks anymore basically since Greek is so different now than 2000 years ago. To address the treatment of women and owning of slaves, that was the norm back then, and most of the times a slave is not what you'd imagine it to be, (sometimes it is but not always) For example if you look historically, people back then used to own slaves in more of an indentured servant way than a slave. They would essentially sell themselves into "slavery" so that their "master" would pay for everything they need to live. Basically many times, but not all the times, it was like a 24/7 job where you basically get everything paid for instead of a salary. About women... you can just reread my other book of a post I wrote I guess lol. But ya, basically if you look at for example any of Homer's books such as the Odyssey or the Code of Urukagina, a Sumerian text, the Epic of Gilgamesh, Julius Cesar's Gallic Wars and so on, they are all not exactly what was written because of translation issues, or just something that cannot be represented today like it was back then. Really when reading any sort of old texts, the Bible included, it doesn't hurt to be familiar with the history of that time to understand why someone would say something, what words mean, and/or if you can possibly even find a copy of one of these books in the original language so you can get more literal translations with a concordance. And I challenge you to find any text with as many reliable sources and old sources as the Bible, it is impossible. (Also just a really neat thing, if every Bible on earth was destroyed all the way back in the Renaissance era, and if I'm not mistaken even earlier, the entire Bible could be completely written today from other various texts that either quote it or are just written down by monks and what not even.) If there is a message that God wants to get across it'll happen, in my opinion :)
Gods_FatherAnd really....you actually believe there aren't as many women in mathematics/sciences as there could be because of some passages from religious text? Lol
Gods_FatherWhy does our society have female professors teaching subjects to men if they are truly being suppressed/censored by these religious texts as you claim?
RosbifI feel like you think I can't criticise Islam, I can think that religion in general oppresses women and also think that Trump is a scumbag, there's no cognitive dissonance there.
What's funny is you lauding Trump, criticising the women's marches, yet still pretending that you care about women when posting about Islam. That must be tricky for you to twist your brain around.
Gods_FatherHaha I know bro...just saying it's really hard to compare any modern day female inventor to someone like Archimedes.
onenerdykidAt the beginning of the 20th century, women were beaten in the streets of their hometown, by their neighbors, for trying to gain the right to vote. Since the beginning of our country (and earlier), human beings were owned by other human beings, often brutally as you know. Both of which were fervently defended by Christian men claiming their holy book gave them the God-given right to do such things. Sadly, these men were and are on the winning side of a theological argument. This has almost 2000 years of historical cultural ingraining. Advancements are for sure made- no one is disputing that. But do you honestly think this is going to be easy to get rid of and completely flushed from our culture? Other than religious, what is the reason for women not having the same exact opportunities as men?
LonelyYou're not too bright are ya
Gods_FatherSo you should be able to name me atleast one female inventor who made inventions as salient/life changing as what Archimedes(one man) created...Ever hear of math?
Gods_FatherSo you should be able to name me atleast one female inventor who made inventions as salient/life changing as what Archimedes(one man) created...Ever hear of math?
Gods_FatherYeah, bro...beginning of 20th century? Ever hear of sharia?
CampeadorAs I see the far-Left continue to act out, it becomes increasingly clear why they sympathize so much with muslims, their tactics are the same.
The attack, which left the 20-year-old woman with head injuries and a broken tooth, has been celebrated by the far left on social media. Among the seven so-called anti-fascists who have so far been arrested for the vicious assault is Alejandro Espín Sogo, who stood in local elections as a candidate for the United Left party in 2015.
"Murcia’s police force said the attack was typical of far left gangs, telling La Gazeta: “Attacking as a group and in greater numbers [than their victims] is characteristic of how self-proclaimed antifascists behave.”, all of them are members of groups linked to the radical left.
The radical left justifies the beating: 'It is poetic justice'
http://gaceta.es/noticias/izquierda-radical-justifica-paliza-justicia-poetica-24012017-0827
“Attacking as a group and in greater numbers [than their victims] is characteristic of how self-proclaimed antifascists behave.”
Just like muslims, who also attack defenseless girls in numbers. Talk about sharing a lot in common.
CampeadorAs I see the far-Left continue to act out, it becomes increasingly clear why they sympathize so much with muslims, their tactics are the same.
The attack, which left the 20-year-old woman with head injuries and a broken tooth, has been celebrated by the far left on social media. Among the seven so-called anti-fascists who have so far been arrested for the vicious assault is Alejandro Espín Sogo, who stood in local elections as a candidate for the United Left party in 2015.
"Murcia’s police force said the attack was typical of far left gangs, telling La Gazeta: “Attacking as a group and in greater numbers [than their victims] is characteristic of how self-proclaimed antifascists behave.”, all of them are members of groups linked to the radical left.
The radical left justifies the beating: 'It is poetic justice'
http://gaceta.es/noticias/izquierda-radical-justifica-paliza-justicia-poetica-24012017-0827
“Attacking as a group and in greater numbers [than their victims] is characteristic of how self-proclaimed antifascists behave.”
Just like muslims, who also attack defenseless girls in numbers. Talk about sharing a lot in common.
CampeadorMore illegals killing Americans, more reason to build the wall
Raz.boy, do i have something to tell you about conservative men aged 16-30
onenerdykidIf you really need it spelled out for you, I was referring to the good old US of A and its inability to regard all human life as morally equal within the last century. But I'll again state my question- other than religious, by what other reason should women not have the same opportunities as men?
And when you point to one brilliant man, just remember there are millions and millions of incredibly intellectually inferior ones too. And women who are just as smart as any brilliant example you can come up with for men. Could it be that men and women are both capable of brilliance or stupidity or moral excellence or vicious behavior or any other trait you care to name? Oh no, say it isn't so.
Charlie_KellyChocolate chip cookies, Kevlar, the dishwasher, the rotary engine, circular saw, life raft, medical syringe, engine muffler, and windshield wiper to name a few. I mean using Archimedes as an example is pretty weak to start but...
californiagrownSo, your point is women are naturally dumber than men?
Gods_FatherNo, I don't believe that, but the greatest inventions of modern history all came from men...like seriously chocolate chip cookies and a windshield wiper is the most important inventions? What about intermittent windshield wipers then?
Gods_FatherSo you should be able to name me atleast one female inventor who made inventions as salient/life changing as what Archimedes(one man) created...Ever hear of math?
Gods_FatherYou kidding? Want me to start listing things Archimedes alone invented....?
Gods_FatherNo, I don't believe that, but the greatest inventions of modern history all came from men...like seriously chocolate chip cookies and a windshield wiper is the most important inventions? What about intermittent windshield wipers then?
Gods_FatherYou kidding? Want me to start listing things Archimedes alone invented....?
GnarshoSapianCampeador, I'm gonna jump in here and call you out. Your posts are ignorant, uninformed, and unsubstantiated. Please start your argument from the beggining, and work to make your point by using validated facts as well as logical reasoning.
Also take 1 lap
californiagrownExplain to me again where we will come up with money for design/construction of the GREAT wall, let alone the lawyers needed for all the international and domestic law clusterfuck involved.
Or will it just be a fence... In some places?
CampeadorIt's also looks likely that the U.S. may need to carry out military operations against the cartel strongholds just across the border.
Sorry guys, I know you were really wanting all that Mexican heroin to get in, but you'll just have to get it from somewhere else now.
CampeadorYou mean by keeping his campaign promises?
Go figure, I guess you got used to Obama.
CampeadorThe man just keeps on delivering,
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/trump-orders-weekly-list-crimes-committed-illegals-sanctuary-cities/
put the crimes of the politicians that maintain sanctuary cities on open display and cut off their money.
Can any of you leftists name one reason you support so-called "sanctuary city" policies?
Charlie_KellyIf that's your idea of delivering there are going to be some very bummed members of his voter base.
Good luck cutting off federal funding to those cities...not going happen.
onenerdykidThis has no connection to being left or right, this is plain stupid.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/24/white-house-temporarily-freezes-epa-grants-contracts.html
Charlie_KellyIf that's your idea of delivering there are going to be some very bummed members of his voter base.
Good luck cutting off federal funding to those cities...not going happen.
onenerdykidThis has no connection to being left or right, this is plain stupid.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/24/white-house-temporarily-freezes-epa-grants-contracts.html
californiagrownCalifornia is a huge donor state. They give Waaaay more taxes to the country than they get back.
Talk about taxation without representation, eh? California officials have said they will do what is necessary to maintain funding... In other words, the state has the gold, and he who has the gold makes the rules.
Apparently, the EPA also now has a gag order in place for employees until further notice. Official memo.
CampeadorThe state government of California does not pay anything.
People living in California pay federal income tax, the same way people do across the United States regardless of administration.
Unless these communists who run the state government out in California want to encourage people to not pay federal income taxes (an act tantamount to a declaration of war by the state of government), then they really have no control whatsoever.
Now, Trump can legally cut off access to federal funds to state officials acting in violation of federal immigration law. California loons cannot follow "alternate" laws just because it makes them feel better about themselves.
Are illegal sanctuary cities really the hill you all want to die on?
californiagrownAt which point, state taxes take the place of federal taxes and then because many federal programs are need based California recieved just as much money from the feds. So, actually, no. You're wrong. It is just shifting money around...
Also, federal courts accross the nation have ruled it is only voluntary for counties to comply with federal requests they retain immigrants. So trump is going to illegally overrule federal courts? You high?
CampeadorThere are plenty of areas where the federal government can cut off money to specific cities. I'm sure they'll figure out a way to hit them where it hurts.
Not to mention, it wouldn't surprise me if laws were soon passed holding individual city officials liable for any crimes committed by released illegal immigrants. Frankly, they should be held responsible for the people hurt by released illegal immigrants. It's criminal to allow them to remain in the country.
Right, voluntary, so Trump will make them an offer they can't refuse haha
I'd also keep an eye on those federal courts... the Supreme one in particular. I wonder if that old witch Ginsburg will live out these next four years.
Also, you failed to mention any benefit of sanctuary cities, I'm led to believe that there are none, and that it's just another of the plethora of insane social justice initiatives that now form the core of the left-wing platform.
californiagrownHaha you are actively hoping for dictatorship rule. You ever stop and listen to yourself?
The benefit is 1) following the Constitution, and 2) saving money on having to build and staff detention centers because the federal government ain't exactly known for expediency lol.
Do you actually know what qualifies as a sanctuary city?
CampeadorWrong.
The Constitution gives direct power to Congress in all matters related to immigration, citizenship, and naturalization. Federal law on immigration therefore applies across all states. Individual cities don't get to choose whether or not to enforce it. Sanctuary cities go directly against the Constitution (and I find it very amusing and ironic that you put "following the Constitution as a benefit haha).
I suppose that is dictatorial in your book.
Right "saving money". Which other laws should be ignored in order to "save money"? You don't seem at all concerned about the amount of money that illegals cost taxpayers each year.
I will agree though that the deportation process needs to be expedited.
So the two reasons you just gave are bullshit, do you have any real benefits of sanctuary cities, I haven't read one yet.
