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CampeadorPoor Muslims entering the United States are a massive drain on society for precisely that reason, because they are unskilled and rely on welfare. They're breeding on the public dime just like in Europe.
So what do just about all Sharia Muslims on the grey scale share in common?
Death for apostasy I know is one, second-class status for women is another. Do you have any to add?
Or do not all Sharia Muslims believe even those two things? On what authority can you claim this? It is a system of laws after all.
Where does your sympathy for Sharia Islam stem from exactly? All Sharia (no matter where it is on the "grey scale") should be mocked, resisted, and in certain cases, annihilated.
Islam is a cancer, and while some forms are more virulent that others, just about all are dangerous.
The benefit is cheap skilled labor and doing a morally good thing.
You can pick and choose the aspects of sharia that are generally deplorable and you hate, but Muslims cannot pick and choose the aspects that are generally good and they like? That's how religon works... Folks pick the aspects of a general religon they like and follow that.
When you move away from home and experience a little more life outside your bubble you might start to realize that folks cannot be neatly categorized as you so badly want. People are complex.
californiagrownThe benefit is cheap skilled labor and doing a morally good thing.
You can pick and choose the aspects of sharia that are generally deplorable and you hate, but Muslims cannot pick and choose the aspects that are generally good and they like? That's how religon works... Folks pick the aspects of a general religon they like and follow that.
When you move away from home and experience a little more life outside your bubble you might start to realize that folks cannot be neatly categorized as you so badly want. People are complex.
Don't try to whitewash and sugarcoat Sharia now, or try to claim that Islam is just like any other religion.
And what cheap "skilled" labor exactly? It seems like you just made that up.
However, if you like, I have plenty of sources detailing how islamic migrants to the United States are welfare parasites, the Somalis in particular.
Trump won because people were tired of seeing the country go down the tubes for the sake of "morally good things" as defined by the Left.
Is it moral to put Americans at risk of dying at the hands of a jihadist just because of your misguided, irresponsible idea of a "morally good thing"?
I guess you've somewhat answers my question, immigration to you is just another welfare program.
Anyone see this? This jackass gets kicked out of the event for his shirt then says he went outside to protest but made sure he had his gun on him? What a fucking pussy, the guy has to have a gun on him bcuz he is a pussy ass said of getting the shit kicked out of him. If I was at this rally I would have hit in the head with a baseball bat then started to stomp on his head like a fucking pumpkin
CampeadorWhile I agree with you in concept, in practice the reality is something else entirely.
I understand what you mean by practical reason, but unfortunately practical reason as it is currently interpreted has led to secular humanism and delusional levels of cultural relativism.
Christian societies that practice practical reason are the best suited at combating Islam. Its not to say I want them to practice Christian orthodoxy (something that I do not advocate for), but they recognize the importance of Christian tradition and culture within each of their societies. To be fair, largely atheist societies like the Czech Republic also practice strong practical reason, rooted in nationalism and a disdain for the globalists who seek to undermine and destroy them.
It cannot be denied that Christianity led to the unity that helped Europe overcome Islam when it was at its most vulnerable. Throughout the centuries, the shared Christian identity of Europe beat back waves upon waves of muslim jihadists. You living in Austria should be keenly aware of this, since Vienna is where the tide was finally turned against the muslim invader. Christian armies, with swords in hand, defended their Christian neighbors from the Islamic onslaught.
Muslims arrive not as people who want to participate in our cultures, but rather as colonists and invaders who seek to undermine and replace us. It's time to reintroduce them to Christian steel (or lead).
Christianity is not to blame for the fall of Europe, the secular humanism and cultural relativism born from the global Left is to blame. However, it is true that there are plenty of members of the Left that have infiltrated the church, the Dhimmi 5th column. They use Christianity's own principles in attempts to undermine it, the same way the Left uses Western ideals to undermine those very ideals.
Secular humanism (which I am sympathetic to) does not necessarily lead to cultural relativism (which I am fully opposed to). The secular ethics found in Aristotle, Kant, and Mill are very much opposed to relativism concerning what constitutes right and wrong, and good and bad. There is an objective basis for morality and it does not come from a supernatural deity that endorses human slavery, i.e. Christianity, Islam, etc. It comes from using practical reason and paying attention to the facts & evidence around you. Secular humanism (which is related to but separate from the above ethical philosophies) values facts and evidence over superstitious faith based reasoning. Show me any society which has failed because it placed facts and evidence over faith - it simply does not exist and has never existed. The moment a culture embraces this, it will conquer problems more effectively and more efficiently. The problem (at least one of the problems) with cultural relativism is that it gets this wrong. It is not paying attention to the facts, nor to the evidence of objective human suffering. It may be secular, but it is confused about what to do.
Another point I am trying to make is that the values you find admirable in Christianity are not rooted in nor stemming from pure Christian beliefs. Notions of justice, courage, self-defense, temperance, honesty, loyalty, generosity, friendship, honor, etc. are found in Christianity but they are not solely stemming from Christianity. These virtuous concepts are detailed at length by philosophers such as Aristotle, predating Christianity by over 400 years and were for sure recognized by cultures hundreds if not thousands of years before that. They are not unique to Christianity. To claim that these values are Christian is a mistake. The Christian culture of the Middle Ages no doubt was responsible for keeping Islam at bay. But when you look at what values they held that brought them to that, it cannot be argued that they are uniquely Christian. The values they embraced were ones arrived at through practical reason. Self-preservation in this world is not something that Jesus ever preached- in fact he preached the opposite.
I fully agree with you that a shared, unified culture is what will defeat something like Islam. But such a shared, unified culture should have values found in reason, facts, and evidence, and not in faith or claimed revealed truth. In this latter regard, it would be just as foolish and unfounded as Islam.
me in sum buddies have drove into dc today and we got a shit ton of eggs, we r going to pelt the shit out of that car trump is in and do what george bush got at high inauguration parade but 10 times worse
we r going there to fuck shit up, and i wanna pelt that dumb bitch Melania Trump right in the face with an egg
if they bring that autistic dumb ass kid Baron Trump there, we r going to throw so many eggs at him it will look like he is melting
doublecupme in sum buddies have drove into dc today and we got a shit ton of eggs, we r going to pelt the shit out of that car trump is in and do what george bush got at high inauguration parade but 10 times worse
we r going there to fuck shit up, and i wanna pelt that dumb bitch Melania Trump right in the face with an egg
if they bring that autistic dumb ass kid Baron Trump there, we r going to throw so many eggs at him it will look like he is melting
The temptation to forward this to the secret service is through the roof
Sharia will creep in under the guise of being "inclusive", the Left's new favorite buzzword, just as it has in Europe.
In which case, what sort of opposition do you propose?
Well I personally don't think Europe is anything to go by, especially considering the basic cultural differences and levels of closet nationalists. You really think a conservative senate and house would let this come to pass? Justifying murder and abuse among other things just wouldn't fly with them, regardless of culture and religion.
How would I oppose it? Well I don't think there is a need because it'll never get its start. I would say the majority of Americans would fiercly oppose it, myself included, regardless of what politicians try to justify.
CampeadorDon't try to whitewash and sugarcoat Sharia now, or try to claim that Islam is just like any other religion.
And what cheap "skilled" labor exactly? It seems like you just made that up.
However, if you like, I have plenty of sources detailing how islamic migrants to the United States are welfare parasites, the Somalis in particular.
Trump won because people were tired of seeing the country go down the tubes for the sake of "morally good things" as defined by the Left.
Is it moral to put Americans at risk of dying at the hands of a jihadist just because of your misguided, irresponsible idea of a "morally good thing"?
I guess you've somewhat answers my question, immigration to you is just another welfare program.
You're right, all Muslims who support sharia support every last aspect. Similarly, all Christians who support a Christian/bible based law system support every last biblical law. Lol.
See what I mean about your childish black and white views. You are too simple minded to begin to understand this complex issue.
Also, you don't know what skilled labor is, huh? Do you honestly think all the middle East countries survive on a workforce of people specializing in being refugees? Are you high? You don't think there were nurses, engineers, accountants, mechanics, carpenters, journalists, etc? There are many, many thousands of those folks who lost everything because of fucking war, and that is why they are poor.
Why is the middle East refugee crisis not a valid humanitarian issue which deserves our help and support?
californiagrownAlso, you don't know what skilled labor is, huh? Do you honestly think all the middle East countries survive on a workforce of people specializing in being refugees? Are you high? You don't think there were nurses, engineers, accountants, mechanics, carpenters, journalists, etc? There are many, many thousands of those folks who lost everything because of fucking war, and that is why they are poor.
Oh yeah, that old lie.
Isn't that what they said about all these Syrian parasites flooding into Germany?
How many of them are employed now? That's right, next to none. Even the ones they tried to give jobs too have said that they prefer being on welfare, the infidel Jizya tax to them, if you will. They all seem to believe in that part of Sharia.
californiagrownYou're right, all Muslims who support sharia support every last aspect. Similarly, all Christians who support a Christian/bible based law system support every last biblical law. Lol.
Which law system comes from the New Testament? Can you name it?
And see, here's the thing, Christians can ignore parts of their religion all they like, and not risk being murdered as apostates.
In Islamic countries? Not so much. I wonder why that is, do you have any insights?
CampeadorWhich law system comes from the New Testament? Can you name it?
And see, here's the thing, Christians can ignore parts of their religion all they like, and not risk being murdered as apostates.
In Islamic countries? Not so much. I wonder why that is, do you have any insights?
Why did you say new testament, not bible? Hmmmm, there seems to be some cherry picking going on here....
In anycase, if Christians were surveyed how many would answer yes if asked if the bible was a good moral guide and our laws should be based upon it?
Also, do you think refugees from middle or upperclass backgrounds and solid careers in the old country are happy living at poverty level in the land of opportunity? You seem to think so... So why do you think that is? Why do you believe they are so lazy and unmotivated they are content to live at a much lower standard of living than where they came from?
californiagrownWhy did you say new testament, not bible? Hmmmm, there seems to be some cherry picking going on here....
In anycase, if Christians were surveyed how many would answer yes if asked if the bible was a good moral guide and our laws should be based upon it?
Also, do you think refugees from middle or upperclass backgrounds and solid careers in the old country are happy living at poverty level in the land of opportunity? You seem to think so... So why do you think that is? Why do you believe they are so lazy and unmotivated they are content to live at a much lower standard of living than where they came from?
Each time I prove you wrong, you just deflect.
I'm looking at these "refugees", not seeing very many "upper class backgrounds" or "solid careers". The vast majority of them are coming for the chance to get generous welfare, and maybe even try their hand at "seducing" (ie raping) European infidel women (fair game in Islam by the way).
In fact, if you look at the general level of education and intelligence, it's quite low.
"Two-thirds can barely read and write"
So do you have anything left to say that is not feelgood bullshit?
Looking specifically at Germany, what benefit do 700,000 (or more) semi-literate to illiterate parasites provide for the national interest? You keep avoiding this question. Drop the "engineer and doctors" bullshit.
CampeadorEach time I prove you wrong, you just deflect.
I'm looking at these "refugees", not seeing very many "upper class backgrounds" or "solid careers". The vast majority of them are coming for the chance to get generous welfare, and maybe even try their hand at "seducing" (ie raping) European infidel women (fair game in Islam by the way).
In fact, if you look at the general level of education and intelligence, it's quite low.
"Two-thirds can barely read and write"
So do you have anything left to say that is not feelgood bullshit?
Looking specifically at Germany, what benefit do 700,000 (or more) semi-literate to illiterate parasites provide for the national interest? You keep avoiding this question. Drop the "engineer and doctors" bullshit.
You are the one who refuses to answer the questions. It's like trying to have a discussion with a TV screen... A talking head drunk on their own BS talking at people.
californiagrownYou are the one who refuses to answer the questions. It's like trying to have a discussion with a TV screen... A talking head drunk on their own BS talking at people.
Still nothing, I've answered plenty of your questions.
It's time for you to start laying some cards on the table. I've already proven that your whole "engineers and doctors" and "skilled labor" platitudes are absolute bullshit.
So I'll ask again, what benefit to semi-literate to illiterate migrants provide?
Does the answer make you uncomfortable?
Or perhaps I was correct in guessing that you consider immigration and illegal migration to be "morally good" welfare programs.
“We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones and unite the civilized world against radical Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate from the face of the Earth,”
-President Donald J. Trump
Lets hope he follows through, light those fuckers up.
CampeadorI'm looking at these "refugees", not seeing very many "upper class backgrounds" or "solid careers". The vast majority of them are coming for the chance to get generous welfare,
I live here and this is 100% true. Talked to the refugees... there are a lot of good ones but also a lot of bad ones and they're both coming for the welfare. One I talked to made me pretty bummed because he used to work for the US in Iraq and I feel deserves to come to America; hearing him tell me "there are many here that you NEVER want living in your country because they fucking hate you" is super sketchy and makes me thankful this ain't my country.
Where are the skilled ones going? Idk but it's not Merkel's priority to be here, that's for damn sure.
This just in: The Department of the Interior has been told they must stop using twitter. This includes emergency notifications and road condition reports etc. opinions?
californiagrownYou're right, all Muslims who support sharia support every last aspect. Similarly, all Christians who support a Christian/bible based law system support every last biblical law. Lol.
See what I mean about your childish black and white views. You are too simple minded to begin to understand this complex issue.
Also, you don't know what skilled labor is, huh? Do you honestly think all the middle East countries survive on a workforce of people specializing in being refugees? Are you high? You don't think there were nurses, engineers, accountants, mechanics, carpenters, journalists, etc? There are many, many thousands of those folks who lost everything because of fucking war, and that is why they are poor.
Why is the middle East refugee crisis not a valid humanitarian issue which deserves our help and support?
Campeador“We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones and unite the civilized world against radical Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate from the face of the Earth,”
-President Donald J. Trump
Lets hope he follows through, light those fuckers up.
Heck ya!!! He's gonna really gonna erase those little dumb nomads off of the earth for sure! I can't wait for the day The Don comes up and says that ISIS is just nonexistent anymore because we literally blew them all up to the end in response to the crap they do.
ZennanI can't wait for the day The Don comes up and says that ISIS is just nonexistent anymore because we literally blew them all up to the end in response to the crap they do.
You really don't know your history of the last 15 years, do you? Trying to blow up the problem will only create more problems. You need to defeat bad ideas, which is the actual problem and a much bigger and harder problem to solve.
onenerdykidYou really don't know your history of the last 15 years, do you? Trying to blow up the problem will only create more problems. You need to defeat bad ideas, which is the actual problem and a much bigger and harder problem to solve.
Dude I'm just messing around haha! I am completely aware how screwed we get when we try to go hard military on them, especially with Russia's involvement in the M.E. and our contradicting goals related to the government of Syria, which no doubt we would be more involved in as well if we had troops over there blowing crap up. Your right though, gotta defeat the ideology, and prevent it from spreading so heavily. But I have faith he will be able to help out the situation.
How does that attitude make him terrible? Many imams at mosques preach death to infidels even in North America...you know of Friday prayer and why some Muslims abstain from prayer on that day? Assuming no...
onenerdykidHow would Jesus propose to flush out the filth of Islam? By loving thy neighbor? Loving your enemy? Give no thought for the 'morrow and sell all of your possessions?
The last thing we need is more dogma and superstition mixed into this nonsense, which is exactly what a Christian Renaissance would bring. How about a reason and rational discourse renaissance? That would be far more productive than pitting two religions against one another.
onenerdykidYou appear to be new here, and definitely not aware of my opinions concerning Islam. I was just challenging the position that a "Christian Renaissance" is the answer to this problem. Exchanging one superstitious view for another is not going to help anything. Let's attack/challenge Islam with reason and rational discourse, not challenge it with Christianity.
Thats how making a claim works. Even campeador cites and support his claim which is why I don't have much of a problem.
See I can say that 57% percent of Christians are extremists from research. And you wouldn't like that. Becuase it's a baseless claim with no evidence or proof supporting it besides my word.
Don't like speaking for other people....but why not just type the stat into a search engine like google?
onenerdykidWhile it did protect against one evil (Islam), it perpetuated its own form of evil of which we are just recently beginning to recover from. The stain of Christianity on Western history is not small and its irrational basis and irrational prescriptions continue to slow our society down.
To your second point, it is greatly due to Christianity that we have a lack of rationalism, even in modern US culture. The Renaissance was a re-birth of ancient Greek and Roman ideas: philosophy, logic, physics, metaphysics, biology, democracy, etc. are all Greek inventions. Without this classical re-invigoration, we would still think the universe was created in 6 days, that the Earth is flat and at the center of the universe, and earthquakes, famine, droughts, flooding, and diseases are all punishments from God. If Christianity has gotten anything right, it is by accident or plagiarism.
I think we would be far better if we combated Islam with reason and rational discourse, not another superstition based on faith rather than reason and evidence.
The change in attitude from old testament(eye for an eye) to new testament(treat others how you would like to be treated) should be considered as positive change though?
californiagrownYou're right, all Muslims who support sharia support every last aspect. Similarly, all Christians who support a Christian/bible based law system support every last biblical law. Lol.
See what I mean about your childish black and white views. You are too simple minded to begin to understand this complex issue.
Also, you don't know what skilled labor is, huh? Do you honestly think all the middle East countries survive on a workforce of people specializing in being refugees? Are you high? You don't think there were nurses, engineers, accountants, mechanics, carpenters, journalists, etc? There are many, many thousands of those folks who lost everything because of fucking war, and that is why they are poor.
Why is the middle East refugee crisis not a valid humanitarian issue which deserves our help and support?
Untrue and ignorant...when the New Testament was made the Old Testament was meant to be completely scrapped/forgotten.
Gods_FatherDon't like speaking for other people....but why not just type the stat into a search engine like google?
Well another user that I quoted did...and it was a false statitic. Which is probably why mandigo stopped posting in the thread.
But regardless if you make a claim, especially one like "1/2 of Muslims would be okay raping your mother" it's your job to back it up. Otherwise what you are saying is completely baseless. It's just what you do if your not a dumbass.
LonelyWell another user that I quoted did...and it was a false statitic. Which is probably why mandigo stopped posting in the thread.
But regardless if you make a claim, especially one like "1/2 of Muslims would be okay raping your mother" it's your job to back it up. Otherwise what you are saying is completely baseless. It's just what you do if your not a dumbass.
Not necessarily....sometimes you read a statistic from a source and you share that statistic without having to be bothered to spend time searching through old shit you've read just for the convenience of some other stranger...that's what search engines are for, right?
Gods_FatherThe change in attitude from old testament(eye for an eye) to new testament(treat others how you would like to be treated) should be considered as positive change though?
Yes, of course. But the New Testament also places women as subservient & subordinated to men and promoted & justified slavery. At best, the New Testament is a contradictory and confused in regards to how to implement the Golden Rule.
Gods_FatherUntrue and ignorant...when the New Testament was made the Old Testament was meant to be completely scrapped/forgotten.
Not at all true. In numerous occasions, Jesus claims that all laws and commandments (not limited to the Ten) of the Old Testament hold true.
Matthew 5:17 - “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”
Besides, almost all Christians believe in Original Sin, the Fall of Man, and many other things from Genesis. Much of the Old Testament is believed by modern Christians, including the immorality of homosexuality, which Jesus never spoke against.
Twinjibber77I live here and this is 100% true. Talked to the refugees... there are a lot of good ones but also a lot of bad ones and they're both coming for the welfare. One I talked to made me pretty bummed because he used to work for the US in Iraq and I feel deserves to come to America; hearing him tell me "there are many here that you NEVER want living in your country because they fucking hate you" is super sketchy and makes me thankful this ain't my country.
Where are the skilled ones going? Idk but it's not Merkel's priority to be here, that's for damn sure.
If I may ask, what is your view on how the Syrian Army liberated Aleppo? On western news I see headlines such as 'The Fall of Aleppo,' but freelance journalists recording on the ground show tens of thousands of Syrians celebrating and finally being able to go to church for Christmas. Seems that much of the last few years in regards to Syria have been echo chambers of misinformation and intentional propaganda campaigns. Geopolitically, it makes a lot of sense. I just do not think it's as black and white as everyone makes it out to be.
ZennanHeck ya!!! He's gonna really gonna erase those little dumb nomads off of the earth for sure! I can't wait for the day The Don comes up and says that ISIS is just nonexistent anymore because we literally blew them all up to the end in response to the crap they do.
Too bad we funded and armed ISIS (Daesh) and other radical extremists, possibly directly and definitely indirectly via covertly helping Qatar and Saudi Arabia arm and fund ISIS and other radical groups who wanted a salifist state. At least I would do that to destabilize Syria and oust Assad. We need that pipeline and to counter Russia and Iran's geopolitical agendas. LNG won't exist if we can't sway them or scare them.
onenerdykidYes, of course. But the New Testament also places women as subservient & subordinated to men and promoted & justified slavery. At best, the New Testament is a contradictory and confused in regards to how to implement the Golden Rule.
Not at all true. In numerous occasions, Jesus claims that all laws and commandments (not limited to the Ten) of the Old Testament hold true.
Matthew 5:17 - “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.”
Besides, almost all Christians believe in Original Sin, the Fall of Man, and many other things from Genesis. Much of the Old Testament is believed by modern Christians, including the immorality of homosexuality, which Jesus never spoke against.
Kinda funny and gona get lots of hate for this but in a way they are haha, know of any great female inventors?
Ok, but a true born again Christian follows New Testament.
fuckmekevinToo bad we funded and armed ISIS (Daesh) and other radical extremists, possibly directly and definitely indirectly via covertly helping Qatar and Saudi Arabia arm and fund ISIS and other radical groups who wanted a salifist state. At least I would do that to destabilize Syria and oust Assad. We need that pipeline and to counter Russia and Iran's geopolitical agendas. LNG won't exist if we can't sway them or scare them.
I 100% agree... can't believe how dumb the government can be to fund them, I believe indirectly, but with the knowledge that their funds are going towards ISIS... whether you call that direct or indirect is up to you. The thing is I believe that Assad will be ousted partially because I believe that we will be able to open up better relations with Russia and get them to stop backing Assad's forces, which would allow the rebels to take over more ground. Mostly by getting Russia to focus on helping us take out ISIS instead of funding Assad to keep control, which could indirectly decrease the power he has in the region. But you put it very well spoken.
Gods_FatherNot necessarily....sometimes you read a statistic from a source and you share that statistic without having to be bothered to spend time searching through old shit you've read just for the convenience of some other stranger...that's what search engines are for, right?
Except for this is an online forum, so he could have copied and pasted the link in about the same time I could search it and find the specific one.
You're trying to make an argument where there isn't one.
LonelyExcept for this is an online forum, so he could have copied and pasted the link in about the same time I could search it and find the specific one.
You're trying to make an argument where there isn't one.
Haha nope, why would I search for something like an old article when I'm just having a conversation and simply trying to help someone by sharing info that I know. Personally I don't normally have the time to fuck around and find old sources, maybe he is the same.
Gods_FatherHaha nope, why would I search for something like an old article when I'm just having a conversation and simply trying to help someone by sharing info that I know. Personally I don't normally have the time to fuck around and find old sources, maybe he is the same.
Okay well for the sake of conversation 70% of priests have no issue molesting children. Christianity is the bigest modern threat to our children
Gods_FatherKinda funny and gona get lots of hate for this but in a way they are haha, know of any great female inventors?
Ok, but a true born again Christian follows New Testament.
Yeah there are plenty of great female inventors. Just do a Google search and educate yourself. Or you can just check here: http://www.women-inventors.com/
But my two personal favorites are Marie Curie and Margaret Hamilton. As you may recall, Curie is the only person in history to have won the Nobel Prize in two different branches of science- a man has yet to do that. Hamilton is responsible for writing much of the computer code by hand for the Apollo space program. NASA credits her with being one of the most indispensable persons of the whole program, meaning without her they wouldn't have gotten very far.
In general, if you want to know why there aren't more women in the sciences perhaps look at the culture they are in. When the New Testament says "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. - 1 Timothy 2:12 " are you really surprised that many women aren't encouraged to go down that road?
The New Testament is a moral failure written by men who couldn't comprehend even the most basic principles of ethics or moral philosophy.
Also, I didn't see you come to the defense of slavery...
