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californiagrownThat's not what I asked. And I think you know it ;)
Do you think the heartland is more cultured?
On average? Probably about the same.
California is like a 3rd world country, with a few rich people, and a shit ton of poor people (many who cannot even speak English and only have a 6th grade level of education).
If we're to judge off the Silicon Valley and LA limousine liberals, then sure I suppose they're more "cultured" in the liberal arts sense that you mean it. But if you're going to include them, you'll have to include all the illegal immigrants and their offspring, that brings your average down quite a bit.
California is like a 3rd world country, with a few rich people, and a shit ton of poor people (many who cannot even speak English and only have a 6th grade level of education).
If we're to judge off the Silicon Valley and LA limousine liberals, then sure I suppose they're more "cultured" in the liberal arts sense that you mean it. But if you're going to include them, you'll have to include all the illegal immigrants and their offspring, that brings your average down quite a bit.
California is like a 3rd world country? Just cause trump won an election doing it, does not mean it's okay to speak in hyperbole and yuuuuuge exaggerations haha.
Are all those illegals, and poor folks with 6th grade education's included in your "smug PC liberal elitist" category? I wouldn't think so. Not to mention, illegalls had next to no impact on the election results.
Another question for you: how does one become cultured? I think it comes from experiencing many different cultures. What do you think?
californiagrownCalifornia is like a 3rd world country? Just cause trump won an election doing it, does not mean it's okay to speak in hyperbole and yuuuuuge exaggerations haha.
Are all those illegals, and poor folks with 6th grade education's included in your "smug PC liberal elitist" category? I wouldn't think so. Not to mention, illegalls had next to no impact on the election results.
Another question for you: how does one become cultured? I think it comes from experiencing many different cultures. What do you think?
Not quite to that level, but it shares various similarities. A third of the welfare recipients in the US reside in California. The number of folks on mean-tested welfare is 52.2 million people.
That means about 17.2 million people are on welfare in California. Out of 38.8 million people, 17.2 million are on welfare. The Central Valley is a cesspool of poverty.
Now, the more accurate term for California should be the "Gilded State", it's got very wealthy areas along the coast and Bay Area (and to a lesser extent the Sacramento area), but the rest of the state lives in a state of poverty or near-poverty.
Now, the "cultured" people you talk about are those that reside in the "Gilded" part of the state. They often experience a sense of "entitlement" based on a sense of superiority based on a misguided view of their own self-worth (especially those that travel abroad and become "experts" on other cultures while denigrating their own). They are driven by the same delusional PC culture that the Swedes followed off the precipice. Their grasp of reality is often poor at best, like a horse wearing blinders. They also ignore all the horrible consequences of their supposed "good" intentions, often because these consequences do not affect them directly.
On the other end, you've got the masses that vote Democrat to keep the government benefits flowing. They can be more easily forgiven, but are basically votes that have been purchased through the public treasury. They are not included in the above category of liberal elitists, but rather are fooled by them. The few students from poor black and hispanic backgrounds that make it to college are often quickly indoctrinated with social justice identity politics, and churned out as good Marxist activists by their liberal elite overseers. I see it all the time.
I prefer the culture of the hard-working people in Texas, the South, and the middle states. They often just want to be left alone to run their own lives the way they see fit, rugged Americanism. They aren't pretentious or arrogant like the liberal elitists on the west coast and the northeast, who think they know what is best for everyone and if you don't like you're a racist (or any other "-ist" or "-phobe" they've come up with that week).
TheHamburglarEverybody knows you live in Chile. You're from California, and for whatever reason, you left. And now you talk shit from a distance without contributing anything to our society. You are worthless scum, and potentially dangerous to my country with your poisonous words.
I'm actually looking for a biographer, interested?
Odds are my income taxes in any given year are greater than your gross income.
Unfortunately for you, participation awards don't pay the bills.
Also, I'm sure you're too much of a pussy to tell a muslim that they're a freak "because it's 2016".
For someone who claims to not be far-left, you sure do use a lot of their lexicon, as if the year had any bearing at all on your argument. I'm actually agnostic, but I just couldn't resist luring you into that one, you're not doing a great job proving that you don't suffer from some form of mental deficiency.
CampeadorNot quite to that level, but it shares various similarities. A third of the welfare recipients in the US reside in California. The number of folks on mean-tested welfare is 52.2 million people.
That means about 17.2 million people are on welfare in California. Out of 38.8 million people, 17.2 million are on welfare. The Central Valley is a cesspool of poverty.
Now, the more accurate term for California should be the "Gilded State", it's got very wealthy areas along the coast and Bay Area (and to a lesser extent the Sacramento area), but the rest of the state lives in a state of poverty or near-poverty.
Now, the "cultured" people you talk about are those that reside in the "Gilded" part of the state. They often experience a sense of "entitlement" based on a sense of superiority based on a misguided view of their own self-worth (especially those that travel abroad and become "experts" on other cultures while denigrating their own). They are driven by the same delusional PC culture that the Swedes followed off the precipice. Their grasp of reality is often poor at best, like a horse wearing blinders. They also ignore all the horrible consequences of their supposed "good" intentions, often because these consequences do not affect them directly.
On the other end, you've got the masses that vote Democrat to keep the government benefits flowing. They can be more easily forgiven, but are basically votes that have been purchased through the public treasury. They are not included in the above category of liberal elitists, but rather are fooled by them. The few students from poor black and hispanic backgrounds that make it to college are often quickly indoctrinated with social justice identity politics, and churned out as good Marxist activists by their liberal elite overseers. I see it all the time.
I prefer the culture of the hard-working people in Texas, the South, and the middle states. They often just want to be left alone to run their own lives the way they see fit, rugged Americanism. They aren't pretentious or arrogant like the liberal elitists on the west coast and the northeast, who think they know what is best for everyone and if you don't like you're a racist (or any other "-ist" or "-phobe" they've come up with that week).
I'm sorry, but in what way is that even close to a 3rd world country? Surely you can't be that ignorant.
Huh, funny that you see Californians in such a way. I never have. Why do you think that is? Why do you have a more objective view of Californians vs southerners, Midwesterners etc?
Also, everyone who voted for federal policy or politicians IS explicitly trying to invoke policy they think should be applied to everyone. Not sure why you think that trait is exclusive to liberals.
californiagrown1. I'm sorry, but in what way is that even close to a 3rd world country? Surely you can't be that ignorant.
2. Huh, funny that you see Californians in such a way. I never have. Why do you think that is? Why do you have a more objective view of Californians vs southerners, Midwesterners etc?
3. Also, everyone who voted for federal policy or politicians IS explicitly trying to invoke policy they think should be applied to everyone. Not sure why you think that trait is exclusive to liberals.
1. The distribution of wealth is similar to various third-world countries. Lots of government corruption, failing infrastructure, poor school results. No lack of similarities.
2. Enough time being exposed to them. Don't get me wrong, liberals can be very nice people, but the way they see the world is warped by feelgood bullshit.
3. Sure, but one side is far more likely (that's the idea at least) to have that policy be less intrusion, rather than more. Those who want to flood the country with muslims and illegal immigrants are intruding far more into the lives of everyday people than those who would rather keep them out. Just one example of policy affecting everyone, but in very different ways, and to very different degrees.
CampeadorI'm actually looking for a biographer, interested?
Odds are my income taxes in any given year are greater than your gross income.
Unfortunately for you, participation awards don't pay the bills.
Also, I'm sure you're too much of a pussy to tell a muslim that they're a freak "because it's 2016".
For someone who claims to not be far-left, you sure do use a lot of their lexicon, as if the year had any bearing at all on your argument. I'm actually agnostic, but I just couldn't resist luring you into that one, you're not doing a great job proving that you don't suffer from some form of mental deficiency.
You sure type a lot and say nothing. Pretty unpresidented of you ;)
How do you Trump ballsuckers feel about his cabinet picks these days, out of curiosity? Seems like a solid group. What about his many conflicts of interest involving his sons, Ivanka, fundraisers, and the Trump Organization? How about his interest in literally restarting an arm's race (his words) until the world "comes to its senses?"
The guy's main source of communication is Twitter, where he repeatedly proves his unpresidentiality over and over again. The real thin-skinned snowflake in this election is Trump, unfortunately for the United States.
Lucky for Campeador, who bailed on the U.S., so he won't be affected. Smart guy!
I give Trump a year in office at most before he's out. But then we're stuck with Pence... what a swell guy... was gay, went through conversion therapy (doesn't work, obviously), and is still a self-loathing gay. Solid.
I can't wait for the Inauguration Day concert in Miami! All of Trump's favorite artists will be there, but Trump won't be, unless Alec Baldwin decides to host, which would be fantastic.
Another dead islamic asylum-seeking cockroach, got the fucker. Hats off to the Italian police, the German police are worthless.
Meanwhile, Trump just killed Obama's islamist-friendly Palestine UN resolution. Sorry Hussein, the days of you helping out your islamic friends are coming to an end very soon.
The only thing "fake" here relates to your attempts to convince anyone that you have any cognitive function left in your frontal lobe. Your brain is fried.
TheHamburglarYou didn't see it until I posted it, don't lie haha
I just wanted to lend a helping hand by pointing out all your shortcomings, but of course you can't admit your shortcomings because you're a narcissist.
Don't you feel like I've helped you at all? I would expect a little more gratitude.
And just in case, since you're a little slow, I'm making fun of you. The arguments you make are very entertaining.
CampeadorMeetings with the Muslim Brotherhood in 2012.
See, this is good. I actually appreciate you putting forth quality sources to back your claims. All pettiness aside, I think radicalized Muslims are one of the biggest threats to this country, whether domestic or foreign.
Now, according to these articles, it was WH officials meeting with leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood, Obama wasn't present. That definitely does not mean he doesn't have connections or ties to them, however. I've heard right-wingers claim that the billions Obama has sent to Egypt and others has ended up in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood, and I can't feasibly verify where funds actually went, so I'm skeptical about the claims from both sides. I will say I that I don't approve of Dems (or anyone) sending huge stimulus money to foreign aide contractors, whether allies or not, since we may be fighting those we've armed down the line, which has happened time and time again since the 60s and 70s, as far as I'm aware. The Middle East is such a fucked up situation that there's no "good" way to solve the problems, and I think American involvement is unnecessary and we should pull our men and women out (which may or may not create a vacuum of power, that's their problem).
Campeador1. The distribution of wealth is similar to various third-world countries. Lots of government corruption, failing infrastructure, poor school results. No lack of similarities.
2. Enough time being exposed to them. Don't get me wrong, liberals can be very nice people, but the way they see the world is warped by feelgood bullshit.
3. Sure, but one side is far more likely (that's the idea at least) to have that policy be less intrusion, rather than more. Those who want to flood the country with muslims and illegal immigrants are intruding far more into the lives of everyday people than those who would rather keep them out. Just one example of policy affecting everyone, but in very different ways, and to very different degrees.
Lol you actually have no concept of what a 3rd world country is. Like literally, no concept.
And I have enough time spent around conservatives and heartland folk to get a good feel for them too. From my experiences they do not have a diverse range of life experiences, and are generally from an area with a more simple, less complex culture and society.
Is a Muslim citizen registry more or less intrusive than no Muslims registry? Both sides have intrusive policies, both sides have good policies and bad policies.
californiagrownLol you actually have no concept of what a 3rd world country is. Like literally, no concept.
As compared to who? You? That's a poor attempt at a joke.
Odds are you've haven't spent any extended amount of time in a third world country (except perhaps on vacation with your folks), or had any knowledge of the language or culture.
Perhaps it's you who has no concept at all. California's government shares various similarities to corrupt governments in Latin America, there's just more money involved. The distribution of wealth is also similar. You weren't able to argue against any of my points.
CampeadorAs compared to who? You? That's a poor attempt at a joke.
Odds are you've haven't spent any extended amount of time in a third world country (except perhaps on vacation with your folks), or had any knowledge of the language or culture.
Perhaps it's you who has no concept at all. California's government shares various similarities to corrupt governments in Latin America, there's just more money involved. The distribution of wealth is also similar. You weren't able to argue against any of my points.
If you want to call a population who has free access to food, clean water, free education, healthcare etc similar to a 3rd world population... Then I actually don't know what to say. I've only encountered such ridiculous ignorance in the angry liberal leftists you hate so much.
californiagrownLol you actually have no concept of what a 3rd world country is. Like literally, no concept.
And I have enough time spent around conservatives and heartland folk to get a good feel for them too. From my experiences they do not have a diverse range of life experiences, and are generally from an area with a more simple, less complex culture and society.
Is a Muslim citizen registry more or less intrusive than no Muslims registry? Both sides have intrusive policies, both sides have good policies and bad policies.
Largest receivers of government aid are red states (mainly heartland). I always find it funny that many people against welfare and unemployment abuse are people actually abusing it. What can you expect from the right though, hypocrisy is their lifeblood.
Charlie_KellyLargest receivers of government aid are red states (mainly heartland). I always find it funny that many people against welfare and unemployment abuse are people actually abusing it. What can you expect from the right though, hypocrisy is their lifeblood.
That study you all love citing takes on the broadest definition of "welfare" (any sort of government payment including Medicare and SS). Not to mention, there are still plenty of left-wing deadbeats even in red states.
Now, in terms of welfare in the actual sense, California is king. 1/10 the population, 1/3 of the need-based welfare.
What can you expect from the Left though, lying is their lifeblood.
californiagrownIf you want to call a population who has free access to food, clean water, free education, healthcare etc similar to a 3rd world population... Then I actually don't know what to say. I've only encountered such ridiculous ignorance in the angry liberal leftists you hate so much.
Costa Rica has all those things (and often better and far more affordable healthcare than California).
CampeadorNow, in terms of welfare in the actual sense, California is king. 1/10 the population, 1/3 of the need-based welfare.
California also produces 13% of the U.S. GDP, the highest of any state. Out of first ten states with the highest GSP (excluding D.C.), eight voted Democrat.
Democratic states are the ones making the money in the U.S. Doesn't matter how hard 30 y/o Joey Redneck works to support his six kids. You can love and respect them for their hard work ethic, but the truth is, they simply aren't as important to the U.S. economy. And yes, California has a disproportionate number of welfare recipients, but I don't see you actively trying to make any changes there. You just complain from a distance.
CampeadorThat study you all love citing takes on the broadest definition of "welfare" (any sort of government payment including Medicare and SS). Not to mention, there are still plenty of left-wing deadbeats even in red states.
Now, in terms of welfare in the actual sense, California is king. 1/10 the population, 1/3 of the need-based welfare.
What can you expect from the Left though, lying is their lifeblood.
We can break down those demographics and not much will change. And like Californiagrown said, it's a fact that blue states contribute more to the economy.
And not shit both sides abuse welfare. I'm actually for welfare reform. Monthly drug tests, tighter food stamp regulations, etc. But I'm willing to bet a large portion of Trumps voter base accepts some form...
CampeadorThat study you all love citing takes on the broadest definition of "welfare" (any sort of government payment including Medicare and SS). Not to mention, there are still plenty of left-wing deadbeats even in red states.
Now, in terms of welfare in the actual sense, California is king. 1/10 the population, 1/3 of the need-based welfare.
What can you expect from the Left though, lying is their lifeblood.
Umm, you just used the same "broadest version of welfare" when discussing California. Lol.
CampeadorCosta Rica has all those things (and often better and far more affordable healthcare than California).
You were mentioning something about ignorance?
Yeah, Costa Rica's healthcare is top notch. I forgot. My bad.
Look, you have a lot of logical arguments where our disagreement simply comes down to a difference of opinion. This 3rd world thing was just you using hyperbole and exaggeration to make a point... Don't try to make it more than that haha.
californiagrownUmm, you just used the same "broadest version of welfare" when discussing California. Lol.
Yeah, Costa Rica's healthcare is top notch. I forgot. My bad.
Look, you have a lot of logical arguments where our disagreement simply comes down to a difference of opinion. This 3rd world thing was just you using hyperbole and exaggeration to make a point... Don't try to make it more than that haha.
According to the WHO the overall healthcare is about on par, I thought you all liked these global organizations?
Charlie_KellyAnd not shit both sides abuse welfare. I'm actually for welfare reform. Monthly drug tests, tighter food stamp regulations, etc. But I'm willing to bet a large portion of Trumps voter base accepts some form...
And yet you keep voting for politicians that vow to do the opposite. Go figure.
californiagrownLook, you have a lot of logical arguments where our disagreement simply comes down to a difference of opinion. This 3rd world thing was just you using hyperbole and exaggeration to make a point... Don't try to make it more than that haha.
You weren't able to argue against any of the similarities I pointed out.
You've just fallen back on a rather odd "haha that's ridiculous!" argument, despite plenty of proof to the contrary.
Which begs the question, have you ever visited the Central Valley?
