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eheathI'm embarrassed trump is an american and its appalling hes getting any support.
boozerTHIS IS WHY I'M VOTING FOR TRUMP: I don't want to live in a country where I'll be fined thousands of dollars for using the wrong pronoun to describe someone who's transgendered. I don't want to live in a country where an esteemed president of a major university is forced to step down for not recognizing what "white privilage" is. I don't want to live in a country where I can't say what I want without being verbally crucified. I see Trump as a way out of this PC nonsense that's going on in America right now. He doesnt care for bureaucracy, the media or your feelings. All he cares about is making this country great again and that's something I can get behind.
boozerTHIS IS WHY I'M VOTING FOR TRUMP: I don't want to live in a country where I'll be fined thousands of dollars for using the wrong pronoun to describe someone who's transgendered. I don't want to live in a country where an esteemed president of a major university is forced to step down for not recognizing what "white privilage" is. I don't want to live in a country where I can't say what I want without being verbally crucified. I see Trump as a way out of this PC nonsense that's going on in America right now. He doesnt care for bureaucracy, the media or your feelings. All he cares about is making this country great again and that's something I can get behind.
onenerdykidIf you think the POTUS controls those things, then you are mistaken about how the government actually works. What you are complaining about is a lack of free speech in our society (specifically the private sector). I can totally agree with what you have said and know that Trump is not the solution to make it happen. It's no question that regressive liberals need a wake up call, and there are many ways to make that happen without needing Trump at the helm.
Casey"I don't wan't to live in a country where I can't say what I want without being verbally crucified" "Lack of free speech in our society..(in the private sector)"
Honestly, what the hell are you guys talking about? How is being able to be an asshole to transgender people in the workplace going to help solve any problem in this country whatsoever? Maybe I am misunderstanding but it truly sounds like you guys are pissed you have to contain your discriminatory statements to your private lives, and that its one of the biggest problems in this country. Amazing.
shibbywow i just watched some highlights from the republican debate. american politics are a joke. what kind of serious debate has fucking cheering/booing and joking around and shit. retarded.
Laurent.Doesn't differ much, only the banter is more witty in Europe.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/806654/Banter-in-the-House-of-Commons
shibbywow i just watched some highlights from the republican debate. american politics are a joke. what kind of serious debate has fucking cheering/booing and joking around and shit. retarded.
louie.miragsIt is a joke anyway because politicians are bought and sold. It is all theater
shibbywow i just watched some highlights from the republican debate. american politics are a joke. what kind of serious debate has fucking cheering/booing and joking around and shit. retarded.
cwillygoodand still using the word "retarded", c'mon man, .
onenerdykidTaking away our right to free speech and expression is one of the biggest problems in this country. It is arguably our most important constitutional right. Everyone should have the right to speak their mind, no matter how offensive you may think it to be.
I am not a racist or a bigot and I think what Trump says is 100% deplorable and disgusting. But he has the right to say it. The US Supreme court set quite the precedent with the Village of Skokie vs National Socialist Party of America which allowed neo-Nazis the right to hold a public rally in the predominantly Jewish town of Skokie, Illinois. Many people (rightly) found that offensive but such opinions are protected by the first amendment in the hopes that a "melting pot" of ideas will contribute to a better educated, more informed society. If certain speech is made illegal then we could forget about it or forget how to combat it. Moreover, once we start making offensive speech illegal, we set the precedent for the door to be closed on our freedom to say what we want as well. It is far better to ensure a freedom of speech than to have limitations set on our speech.
CaseyI don't think anyone is arguing for censorship of Trump as much as they are arguing for accountability for that speech. There is no right to freedom of speech without consequence. You can say whatever you want, and your employer can say whatever they want, including not having you work there anymore. If you want to say things against gays or minorities at work, someone sooner or later is going to sue you for creating a hostile work environment because you are creating a hostile work environment.
CampeadorThen you do not believe in freedom of speech or thought. There's no half-way point.
CampeadorThen you do not believe in freedom of speech or thought. There's no half-way point.
S.J.WYou really are an idiot. Freedom of speech means the government can't prosecute you for saying things. It doesn't protect you from your job.
CaseyThis thread sucks thanks for wasting my time
ESBAnd that's why you should vote for Bernie Sanders.
louie.miragsI'll stick with the Paul family. Freedom. And liberty ;)
CaseyI don't think anyone is arguing for censorship of Trump as much as they are arguing for accountability for that speech. There is no right to freedom of speech without consequence. You can say whatever you want, and your employer can say whatever they want, including not having you work there anymore. If you want to say things against gays or minorities at work, someone sooner or later is going to sue you for creating a hostile work environment because you are creating a hostile work environment.
S.J.WTrump is such a pussy with the most fragile ego. He says he's going to be tough on Putin and IS and yet can't even take a tough question from Meghan Kelly.
CampeadorDo you get your opinions directly from Media Matters? Do they do text updates of some sort?
He's intelligently avoiding a viper's nest, this debate is rotten. The candidates are in charge of the debates, not the corrupt networks that put them on.
But if you're looking for someone who cannot take a tough question, or that has any ability whatsoever to deal with Putin or ISIS (or Iran), look no further than Barack H. Obama.
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/809862/Obama-talks-Russia--39-s-escalation-in-Syria-on--quot-60-Minutes-quot-
But go easy, he's not used to being asked tough questions.
S.J.Whahahah using Trump and intelligent in the same sentence. That's a first.
And as far as Obama, ummmm Iran is complying with the Nuclear deal ahead of schedule and he got them to give up their nuclear arms without even firing a shot. And ISIS they've lost 25% of their territory so yeah Obama is tough on them. You do realise Obama has dropped the most bombs out of any previous president in recent times?
CampeadorThey gave up their nuclear arms you say? You can't even get the your George Soros spoon-fed arguments right.
They got 150 billion dollars, to close down their oldest, easiest to target reactor. Now they've got that money to continue to fund international terrorism, continue to develop their clandestine nuclear weapons program, and scale up their purchases of advanced military equipment from Russia.
But they'll keep themselves "self-inspected" so I guess that's something.
And ISIS, yea they're doing terribly. Obama drops leaflets to let them know they're going to be bombed. They've lost one city (Ramadi) where they only had 500 fighters. Real setbacks there, the only reason they're being pushed back is because Russia is in the ring. They're expanding rapidly in Libya, the Sinai, and Yemen. Obama has been pathetic.
And Obama has dropped the most bombs, you say? But I thought he had a Nobel Peace prize?!
CampeadorThen you do not believe in freedom of speech or thought. There's no half-way point.
LonelyI know this is a while ago but Do you have an understanding of how things in the real world work?
1st amendment is not absolute, multiple cases demonstrate this.
CampeadorAmendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Yes, yes, I know, you'll probably give the piss-poor example of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
I realize that private organizations can have their own rules that govern free speech in the workplace. All the same, it's obvious that the social justice lunatics are trying to severely limit free speech by threatening a person's livelihood. This is wrong, especially when the free speech being practiced is completely unrelated to the person's job, it's a regressive leftist intimidation tactic.
I know the lunatics try and claim that speech they disagree with or find "offensive" is a form of harassment. Hence the creation of bullshit "safe spaces" and the like, I'm sure there's one for you around somewhere.
S.J.Whahahah using Trump and intelligent in the same sentence. That's a first.
Phil-X-Are you saying that trump is a dumb person? Because thats actually quite hilarious if you are. You might not agree with the guy, but to say hes unintelligent is just liberal pandering
CampeadorAmendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Yes, yes, I know, you'll probably give the piss-poor example of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
I realize that private organizations can have their own rules that govern free speech in the workplace. All the same, it's obvious that the social justice lunatics are trying to severely limit free speech by threatening a person's livelihood. This is wrong, especially when the free speech being practiced is completely unrelated to the person's job, it's a regressive leftist intimidation tactic.
I know the lunatics try and claim that speech they disagree with or find "offensive" is a form of harassment. Hence the creation of bullshit "safe spaces" and the like, I'm sure there's one for you around somewhere.
Lonelypaladin press vs rice? I know they settled after it got appealed, which was basically paladin cutting their losses since they knew that they could and most likely would lose.
If freedom of speech was absolute why would palladin feel the need to appeal?
Phil-X-Are you saying that trump is a dumb person? Because thats actually quite hilarious if you are. You might not agree with the guy, but to say hes unintelligent is just liberal pandering
WSMFPtrump wants to bang his daughter.
S.J.W1. Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.
2. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.
3. The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:
(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others;
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.
This comes straight from the International Covenant on Civil and Political rights, by the UN. Now as you can see, other countries including the US wrote this and agreed that these are fundamental rights for civil and political protection. But as you can see they recognise that sometimes freedom of speech isn't freedom of speech and you can in fact be indicted.
For example, if you wish to incite a fight or breach the peace, that is not freedom of speech. Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942) and you can be trialed for it.
There are many other examples of how not free freedom of speech is, but I can't be fucked to list them all. Isn't it ironic that you're calling people out on freedom of speech and yet the people you're calling out are just using their freedom of speech?? Just seems like one big shit storm of a cycle where everyone doesn't want the other person using freedom of speech.
S.J.WEnough said.
WSMFPtrump wants to bang his daughter.
CampeadorDo you even have the slightest idea what you're talking about half of the time? (To be generous)
Oh my goodness, how could I have forgotten about the League of Nations, ahem, I mean the ever so important United Nations?!
Again, you try to argue the details and always miss the big picture. Obviously there are cases where speech is not protected, as has always been the case in the United States.
However, if you were to apply the incorrect ruling in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (did you even read it?), we may need to start rounding up and jailing the Black Lives Matter protesters.
The problem is social justice lunatics like yourself trying to significantly expand what should be an incredibly narrow section of speech that is not protected by the Constitution.
In Canada, for example, you get ridiculous cases like this, which led to this man being fired and his retirement drained into legal fees.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/twitter-harassment-trial-verdict-1.3415112
It's clear that this is what social justice lunatics like yourself are looking for, claim victimhood (for yourself or on behalf of another), label free speech as harassment or "hate speech", and intimidate people into silence by threatening their livelihoods.
And last I checked, government officials still swear to uphold the Constitution, and not some bullshit UN covenant.
S.J.Whahhaha, as for someone who loves to blabber on about the constitution and laws and what not, you sure have a hard time grasping rulings by the supreme court. Incorrect ruling? Sorry are you just some sort of all knowing being that holds all knowledge of the law?
But what you fail to understand about freedom of speech is that you can say what you want, it only protects you from prosecution from the state. Individuals can still fuck you over about what you say.Complain about all you want, when you get fucked over I'm going to laugh at you.
S.J.Whahhaha, as for someone who loves to blabber on about the constitution and laws and what not, you sure have a hard time grasping rulings by the supreme court. Incorrect ruling? Sorry are you just some sort of all knowing being that holds all knowledge of the law?
But what you fail to understand about freedom of speech is that you can say what you want, it only protects you from prosecution from the state. Individuals can still fuck you over about what you say.Complain about all you want, when you get fucked over I'm going to laugh at you.
