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CampeadorHaving your folks keep more of the money they earn makes them leeches? Some gratitude for throwing away half a million dollars on your private schools.
.MASSHOLE.Guys, there is no link between the Trump campaign and Russia. None at all.
.lenconlDo what you can to make climate change a big issue and something that people believe in.
.MASSHOLE.Come on now, at least try to read.
BrawnTrendsHmm, no, no it's not. Electoral College stil has to vote on Dec 19.
It won't change the outcome, but it won't be over until they vote.
CampeadorWhat is it with you and Russia anyway? You morons really want another Cold War, don't you?
Only warped leftists fear Russia while embracing Islam.
CampeadorLeech off the system, for what does a leech do but leech?
Bad word choice, ingrate.
.MASSHOLE.But now we have a President who is willing to leave NATO, appease Putin by relieving the sanctions placed upon them for their Crimean actions, and then potentially remove our military bases. I guess that doesn't give Russia the freedom to do what ever the hell they want without fear of retribution right?
CampeadorWrong, telling NATO nations to put their share in, that's perfectly reasonable. We're not the world's national defense welfare.
And the rest of that all sounds good to me, you'd have to be a Bush/Cheney neocon to disagree.
What kind of complete idiot do you have to be to want war with Russia over fucking Crimea?!
But, but, but... The UN charter!!
Go cry about it.
CampeadorWrong, telling NATO nations to put their share in, that's perfectly reasonable. We're not the world's national defense welfare.
And the rest of that all sounds good to me, you'd have to be a Bush/Cheney neocon to disagree.
What kind of complete idiot do you have to be to want war with Russia over fucking Crimea?!
But, but, but... The UN charter!!
Go cry about it.
.MASSHOLE.Hey blue-collared workers, Trump really is choosing people for his cabinet who are in touch with you!
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/10/donald-trump-advisors-considered-jpmorgans-jamie-dimon-for-treasury-secretary-sources.html
And to all you anti-globalist folk, if he is considering these types of people for his administration, you better start realizing he has likely pulled a fast one on ya!
.MASSHOLE.Hey blue-collared workers, Trump really is choosing people for his cabinet who are in touch with you!
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/10/donald-trump-advisors-considered-jpmorgans-jamie-dimon-for-treasury-secretary-sources.html
And to all you anti-globalist folk, if he is considering these types of people for his administration, you better start realizing he has likely pulled a fast one on ya!
BrawnTrends"It was unclear who within Trump's circle of advisors raised the idea of appointing Dimon, or what other candidates for treasury secretary might be under consideration. Former Goldman Sachs official Steven Mnuchin is reportedly considered to be the front runner."
lol
.MASSHOLE.Do I really need to teach you about NATO again?
.MASSHOLE.You know who Mnuchin worked for? George Soros, the apparent devil reincarnate. *gasp*
You world is about to come crashing down Campeador. You've been deceived.
.MASSHOLE.I fear Russia just as much as any other country influencing our elections.
I guess that doesn't give Russia the freedom to do what ever the hell they want without fear of retribution right?
CampeadorYou're an idiot, I've already been through this with you.
Each member state in NATO is expected to spend at least 2% of GDP on national defense.
The direct contribution to NATO are irrelevant, what use is it having a military ally that has almost nothing to contribute?
"According to NATO statistics, the U.S. spent an estimated $650 billion on defense last year. That's more than double the amount all the other 27 NATO countries spent between them, even though their combined GDP tops that of the U.S. "
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/08/news/nato-summit-spending-countries/
It's time to end U.S. national defense welfare for countries that won't provide for themselves.
And in terms of Russia, what is it you're looking for exactly?
Do you think the U.S. should antagonize and start a military conflict with another nuclear superpower over some God-forsaken peninsula? A peninsula populated by ethnic Russians who seceded, and I don't care if it was by your esteemed UN "laws" or not.
You're a psychopath.
CampeadorThat Russian turnout really swung the election! Give me a break.
And what kind of "retribution" are you looking for exactly? Oh right, "sanctions", that'll make a difference. Well they were in Iran at least, until Obama lifted the sanctions and gave them back $150 billion dollars to get their nuclear program going properly.
The Muslim Brotherhood is squirming right now, and that's all I need to know.
.MASSHOLE.So, I guess a CNN article is more accurate than the actual NATO report? And the differences between direct and indirect spending is a moot point? Cool. Glad to see we can add NATO Budgetary Expert to your resume.
I guess us having military bases across the globe regardless of NATO affiliation doesn't contribute to our expenses? Doesn't Trump want to make our military great again? You know what that involves, having a military presence globally.
I guess sovereignty only matters when it is a country you care about right? Hypocrite. But I don't expect anything less from you. We've learned that.
But what, no comment on Trump's ties to Russia or filling the "swamp" with his own cronies?
CampeadorAnd now you criticize CNN (one of your favored sources, no?) for broadcasting factual data on the military spending relative to GDP of each of those countries. They're the actual numbers, not really up for debate.
Many of those countries where we have military bases are perfectly capable of providing for their own national defense. Paying for 28,500 servicemen and women to be stationed in South Korea is ridiculous.
Having an overstretched military does not make the military great. Advanced technology, expert training and discipline, and a purging of all the social justice cancer that has permeated the military under Obama will make the military great. The people who voted for Trump are the rank and file.
And, as per usual, you don't answer questions very well. So I'll ask again, beyond inconsequential sanctions, what exact "repercussions" do you want for Russia? Answer that first before you go into any of your other bullshit (which I'm sure you'll do).
.MASSHOLE.They're not inconsequential. Go look at any Russian economic statistic since 2014. You don't understand economics, I know, but that graph alone should show you the effect. Pictures are simple.
It is factual, yes, but it is not providing the correct understanding of the situation. Indirect vs. Direct spending is not comparable. I don't know why I have to keep discussing this.
You do realize we have a position in S. Korea because we need to be able to have a military presence near both N. Korea and China right? It isn't for shits and giggles.
Ah, so you suddenly are a military expert as well now? Great, keep adding to that resume.
Now answer my questions. You are good at avoiding them.
.MASSHOLE.Now answer my questions. You are good at avoiding them.
CampeadorYou didn't ask any real questions, "you do realize" and "so you suddenly" aren't real questions. You're just a prissy liberal pussy.
And looks like Russian exports are doing just fine.
http://www.reuters.com/article/russia-gazprom-europe-idUSL5N18N3VP
Figures, without those exports Europe freezes.
It's funny to hear about economics from a guy who doesn't understand basic taxes.
.MASSHOLE.I asked you what you thought of Trump's Russian Business ties. I asked you why the invasion of a sovereign state doesn't matter.
i guess record exports=record revenues and profits? Oh wait, the reason they're getting exports is because of prices being driven lower. Whoops. I guess that explains it all. And without 31% (so much!) of their energy they would flounder. It isn't like the US or other countries can't fill that gap.
But you know what, anecdotes don't provide the real story. Lets actually look at economic statistics for real information.
In 2016, it had a negative growth rate. 2017 has an expected growth rate of .7%, and an expected average between 2017-2019 (assuming oil prices rise) of 1.5%.
It's GDP is expected to contract .6% this year (they actually revised it down from 1.9% with the slight oil rebound). In 2015 it dropped 3.7%, so I guess a 3.1% rebound isn't "awful" until you realize it is still negative.
It's fiscal reserves are expected to decrease from 7% of GDP to 3.1% by 2016. You know what this means right? Increased risk of fiscal instability.
In 2015, it saw an inflation rate peak at 17%. It has since recovered with the oil price recovery to return to ~6%. 6% is baaaad if you want to revive economic growth and investment.
Do I need to explain more?
And TIL tax laws=economics. Who knew. I guess if you study economics you learn tax laws.
CampeadorAnd you still haven't give an answer, by the way.
Beyond sanctions (essentially economic warfare), what other repercussions would you like for the Russians? And then go ahead and explain how those things do not severely escalate the potential for war among two nuclear superpowers.
Western Europe has largely abandoned itself to the Camp of the Saints nightmare of its own making. It's time for the U.S. to forge a new and improved relationship with Russia.
CampeadorYes, if you claim to understand economics, you should understand the basics of taxation, which you don't.
And I'll ask again, ad nauseam, what repercussions are you looking for?
CampeadorYes, if you claim to understand economics, you should understand the basics of taxation, which you don't.
And I'll ask again, ad nauseam, what repercussions are you looking for?
john18061806Not much we can do. The science proving it has been around for decades. It's just Trump and the rest of the climate change deniers are so Fucking dense that they put their own observations of a cold front coming through over decades of hard science proving that the planet is warming as a result of humans. The energy profits that come with ignoring it are just too convenient for change to happen for idiots who put money over everything else that matters. There won't be complete agreement on climate change until its way too late.
Whenever someone tells me they don't "believe" in climate change I tell them that I don't believe in it either because you don't "believe" in science. There's a major difference between belief and a scientifically fact. The biggest thing that disturbs me about trump is how he writes off the science behind climate change as a conspiracy. A consensus among a global scientific community is different than a pseudo-scientist from a tobacco company. He's assigning the top climate change deniers for his cabinet. Once he brainwashes the republican majority senate and congress into raping the climate policies we have, it's game over.
.MASSHOLE.I don't think we need anything beyond economic sanctions. They are effective as I have proven many times over.
I love how scared you are of immigrants yet you are one yourself.
Tell me, what does a relationship with Russia provide when they have shown they are willing to ignore everyone to achieve what they want? What makes you think they will listen to Trump?
Answer my questions now. You have three.
CampeadorSo essentially, you want to crash the Russian economy, and bring suffering onto the Russian people over Crimea. I'm sure that'll end really well.
1. A positive relationship provides us a valuable ally in the conflict against ISIS, shared intelligence and cooperation with the Russians give us a great weapon against militant islam. Destroying ISIS with Russian help ends the potential for terrorists attacks. Taking advantage of the Russian stranglehold over Iran keeps Iran in check.
2. Trump and Putin respect each other, in a way the Putin never respected that weakling Obama. Leaders that understand and respect each other can work together, as Putin has already indicated he will do. I believe he is a sincere person who genuinely loves Russia, unlike the leaders or Europe who hate their own people.
3. You cannot count.
A strong relationship with Russia is positive on all fronts. If Ukraine has to give up a God-forsake peninsula for this to happen, so be it.
I don't want a potential nuclear war like you liberal neocon (such irony) psychopaths.
.lenconThat attitude won't get us anywhere. I understand your concern, but like I said before, if the people in this country show they care shit will get done!
Just look at voting trends. Obama was against gay marriage when he first ran. But he became the man to make it legal to marry someone of the same sex in America. He did it because the polls changed.
I know a lot if you are unhappy with the results, but a bad attitude and complaining will do nothing. We need to be productive and come together. Raise awareness for climate change. Go out and make a difference.
.MASSHOLE.It would be a lot easier to swallow a Trump Presidency in regards to climate change if the GOP didn't control the House and Senate. Any pro-climate change bill Trump attempts to pass will get vetoed almost immediately. He could try executive orders, but Congress doesn't have to give him the funding or any support. Hell, they could issue legislation attempting to contradict it.
But he also hasn't given the people much hope. He has appointed an anti-EPA guy to his administration who will lead his environmental aspect of it. Additionally, he has multiple oil and gas execs. on his team.
It isn't even close to comparable to Obama and gay marriage.
But you are right, the only want to enact change is to get out there and make a difference. Vote in 2018, talk to your governmental representatives, etc.
CampeadorThat Russian turnout really swung the election! Give me a break.
And what kind of "retribution" are you looking for exactly? Oh right, "sanctions", that'll make a difference. Well they were in Iran at least, until Obama lifted the sanctions and gave them back $150 billion dollars to get their nuclear program going properly.
The Muslim Brotherhood is squirming right now, and that's all I need to know.
.lenconI'm wasn't saying that it was comparable to the issue of gay marriage/Obama, I just wanted to point out that if you guys get out there and get people to vote climate change, things will get done. Political leaders are our political followers if we unite together.
This government may seem corrupt but it is still for the people by the people. The people just have to exercise that. Going out and saying "fuck trump" won't do a damn thing.
So please everyone who is reading this quit complaining about what happened. You can't fix it now. Let this be a learning experience and an opportunity for growth.
I personally think these next 4 years will be a little rough, but something great will come out of it. Either Trump will be the change we need or he'll be so bad people will start to vote smart and not elect two clowns in the primaries. So just be nice, be productive, make a difference, go skiing, be happy, and vote smart and make sure others vote smart.
I mean a dead gorilla got like 20k votes?
.MASSHOLE.http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/us/politics/lobbyists-trump.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
Well, let's see if this comes to fruition or if he will just replace one swamp with another.
.MASSHOLE.4. So sovereignty doesn't matter so long as it is under your terms. Got it. Hypocrite.
CampeadorThe same media that got everything wrong for the past year, I'm sure their speculation now is very reliable.
Your idiocy just boggles my mind.
But whatever little nuggets you need to grasp onto to feel better I guess. It'll be all you've got.
CampeadorIf you want to start a war, or even a prolonged period of open and dangerous hostility, with Russia over Crimea, then you are a fucking idiot.
There's really nothing else to say on the matter.
.lenconI'm wasn't saying that it was comparable to the issue of gay marriage/Obama, I just wanted to point out that if you guys get out there and get people to vote climate change, things will get done. Political leaders are our political followers if we unite together.
.MASSHOLE.I never suggested a war.
Isn't Trump the one saying he is a strong leader? A strong leader shouldn't turn another cheek when a country invades another and annexes part of it. Only a puppet would do that. I guess that would make Trump a puppet.
But again, your double standards never fail to amaze me.
CampeadorYou're suggesting a continued escalation of hostilities, the endgame is war.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
.MASSHOLE.You mean keeping in place the sanctions that Canada, Australia, the US and EU countries all have? Right. Russia is going to take on all of them at once.
Keep pretending to be informed, it is awesome always correcting you.
CampeadorYou're a moron. The U.S. acts, the rest fall in line.
Enjoy President Donald J. Trump, you piece of shit.
