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milk_manWhy don't you mention Muslims? They would be in the way of progress too, according to you. But what do you mean by progress? Technological process?
TheHamburglarTechnological, social, environmental, etc. For example, Republicans don't believe in climate change. That's a big fucking problem a short-term, global scale. And denying LGBT rights? The fuck kind of person doesn't think they don't deserve the same rights? Trannies and crossdressers make me hella uncomfortable, but I definitely believe every person is inherently equal.
As far as Muslims go, I'd rather not go too into depth, since I admit I'm very racist against Arabs. But yes, I believe all religion is in the way of progress. I'm talking domestically right now, though.
milk_manWill technology always progress? How far can it progress? Like what types of inventions do you think there is to come?
milk_manWill technology always progress? How far can it progress? Like what types of inventions do you think there is to come?
TheHamburglarSorry I came at you so hard today, fellow newschooler. Super stressed in general, haven't blazed in a few days. Living in Los Angeles is literally making me crazy.
Charlie_KellyDon't apologize to him. He deserves every harsh word you said.
TheHamburglarSorry I came at you so hard today, fellow newschooler. Super stressed in general, haven't blazed in a few days. Living in Los Angeles is literally making me crazy.
milk_manYou sound like the typical "tolerant" "progressive" Hillary voter who is "accepting" of everyone...oh except those ones who you disagree with and want to burn in a fire..
.MASSHOLE.http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/01/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html
Do great businessmen sustain almost a billion in losses...in a year?
JackSkisPowDoes anyone think the election is going to have an effect on skiing?
S.J.WYes. Skis and outerwear will become more expensive. Under Trumps protection plan pretty much anything manufactured outside the US will be more expensive. Mostly because of tariffs and quotas.
californiagrownAre you a retard? Of course they do when this is the case:
"Donald J. Trump claimed a $916 million loss that could have allowed him to legally avoid paying federal income taxes for up to 18 years."
Jesus H. Christ, its in the description of the article.
Businessmen make money. Period. the more money they can make that isnt illegal, the better at business they are. Why is this such a tough concept to grasp?
S.J.WYes. Skis and outerwear will become more expensive. Under Trumps protection plan pretty much anything manufactured outside the US will be more expensive. Mostly because of tariffs and quotas.
californiagrownAre you a retard? Of course they do when this is the case:
"Donald J. Trump claimed a $916 million loss that could have allowed him to legally avoid paying federal income taxes for up to 18 years."
Jesus H. Christ, its in the description of the article.
Businessmen make money. Period. the more money they can make that isnt illegal, the better at business they are. Why is this such a tough concept to grasp?
.MASSHOLE.Guessing you never took a tax class then. You can extend deductions from losses over years...The fact that he didn't use up this $916M deduction over 20 years means that his real income was less than $50M a year, much less than he claimed. And it means that his net income over this period was negative, including the loss.
So....
.MASSHOLE.Whoops, misread the article, thought it stated he had used it, not he could use it up to.
Still, a man who claims a $916m loss on his personal tax statement is not doing it for his company, but himself. And it goes to show that regardless of what he says he will do about the tax code, he will rig it for himself. A man who is worth an estimated (by himself obviously) $5b+ in net worth, then complains about problems with the US infrastructure, but doesn't pay taxes it not only an asshole, but a hypocrite.
californiagrownMaybe im weird, but i do not fault the guy one bit for doing everything(legal) he can to make himself the most money during his private sector career. When i find all possible deductions on my taxes, and make smart financial decisions for my own personal wealth, should i feel guilty?
He isnt a hypocrite because the logic of his economic policy says that the rich must be wealthy enough to provide increasingly better and more jobs for the lower and middle class. IF those rich folks are taxed too much, then those lower and middle class folks have shitty jobs and the economy sucks. I personally dont think his policy will work, but his logic is consistent.
.MASSHOLE.Well, since we can't see his personal or foundation tax returns we don't know if what he is doing now is legal. There is a preponderance of evidence that suggests his current foundation has been using funds for his own personal gain, a big no-no obviously.
But while I don't have a legal issue with his tax situation, I do have a moral one. As I stated above, it is hypocritical to complain about the lack of infrastructure in the US then not to pay taxes.
The logic of his economic policy is not the rich must be wealthy enough to provide better jobs for the lower class, his tax policy is evident of that. Sure, he may cut taxes across the board, but cutting taxes is not going to fix infrastructure, that is a common good. His cutting taxes, especially for people of his net worth, is a self-serving policy and one that is evident in the fact that he has not stated he or his family will step away from his business, or put it in a blind trust. It is clear Trump has one goal and one goal only, to serve the interests of his business. Why else would he use campaign funds to pay for things hosted at his own properties, or use foundation funds to purchase a picture of himself, a signed Tebow helmet, etc.?
He may be a businessman, but we can all see his only interest is promoting his self-interest.
The irony of this tweet...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/172772609627394049
californiagrownSucks that people assume guilt before seeing all the facts, and knowing they dont have all the facts.
You are a hypocrite too if Trump is. Do you take tax deductions? Do you think there are underfunded government programs in america? Mic drop, im out.
.MASSHOLE.I'm not assuming guilt, I'm just asking for clarification like I would from any other candidate. Transparency isn't overrated.
Um, if you count pre-tax benefits or a 401(k) sure? I don't have enough in assets or a family to take deductions...
Perks (or problems) of being 25.
The thing is, I wouldn't complain about infrastructure problems when I am contributing to the lack of funding.
.MASSHOLE.Um, if you count pre-tax benefits or a 401(k) sure? I don't have enough in assets or a family to take deductions...
Perks (or problems) of being 25.
The thing is, I wouldn't complain about infrastructure problems when I am contributing to the lack of funding.
TheHamburglarFirst of all, I'm neither "tolerant" nor "accepting", you fucking retard. I am, however, progressive.
vailsux.comToo bad teddy, looks like the constitution and the declaration of independence disagree with you. Now senor campeadicksuck, you can go take your nationalist ideas to a socialist country where they actual use them. Here in the states we live free or die so assimilate my cock into your throat and get used to it.
CampeadorYou're saying you can't take any deductions because you don't have a family or enough assets. Are you serious?
Do you even file your own taxes?
I'm waiting for your contortionist explanation for this one.
californiagrownSounded like you were saying he was doing illegal things in regards to his taxes. My bad, for misinterpreting. I too really want him to release his taxes just so he can put this shit to bed.
Do you think the infrastructure in america needs more funding to fix it? As a civil engineer, i can tell you for a fact it does, but the facts dont always jive with peoples opinions so youll have to answer that. If you think that any government funding should be increased yet you take your deductions (like any normal person), you are just as large of a hypocrite as Trump would be according to your logic.
Its a very normal thing to increase your wealth by taking tax deductions. That should not disqualify you from being able to speak about how things in the government are underfunded.
High conspiracy: Do you think this situation is kind of similar to Trump creating the birther issue? He was trying to pressure obama to release his birth certificate by saying he wasnt born in america (something that other presidents had provided). There was a whole lot of weird "evidence" that pointed to him actually not being born here. Similarly, there is a whole lot of "evidence" that points to Trumps tax fraud, and Hillary is calling out Trump for not releasing his taxes. Maybe, Obama didnt release his birth certificate immediately for the same reason Trump isnt releasing his tax reccords...
CampeadorAlso, the homosexual insults are interesting, given that only one of us prances around in magic Mormon underwear (I'm sorry, "temple garments").
.MASSHOLE.Nope, I use turbotax or a similar program. Don't really pay too much attention to any deductions I can take. I don't have a family, own a house, have any school loans, or any sort of capital gains so to the best of my knowledge (which isn't great seeing offhand) I don't really have many, if any deductions that amount to any significant amount.
.MASSHOLE.No, not illegal, just unethical and hypocritical in my opinion. Similar to what Mylan has done with the EpiPen.
Honestly, I do think it does but I think there are other programs that can be scaled back to help this funding as deductions are, and always will be, part of the American tax code. I just have a problem that a self-declared billionaire pays 0 in taxes, and possibly has for the better part of two decades.
It depends on the context. If you want to compare the two by judging the basis on which they were elevated to their state in the election, yes. Both were founded on the idea that the two candidates were out of touch with their targeted electoral base because they could not relate due to their history/background. People said Obama was not a true American, therefore he could not relate to the American people while people say Trump is a billionaire and out of touch with most of America.
But if you want to compare them on the underlying messages, they are very different. If Obama was white, the birther issue would be a non-issue. But because of his skin color and heritage people immediately began jumping to conclusions about his true origins and religion with a racial and bigoted undertone. I do not recall the evidence that supported this claim nor his response so it is difficult for me to compare them to Trump's.
However, Trump's issues are not rooted in his race nor are they rooted in his religion, and they do not have a racial undertone. Trump has not helped his situation however, but rather exacerbated it by continually lying about his financial dealings, talking about donations that seemingly have zero paper trail*, how being under audit prevents him from releasing them, and how they "do not matter", despite him having business in foreign countries including Russia, China, and other countries.
It is his lying that is the biggest problem here. It screams red flag to me that someone of his apparent financial standing is unable to release any sort of tax records. For me, knowing about Trump's financial dealings is important because I want to know the type of relationships he and his companies have established with foreign countries and governments.
I know it shouldn't really matter since deductions are part of taxes, but it speaks volumes to me that a man can lose over a billion dollars (adjusted for inflation) in 1995 during one of the more recent economic booms.
*Farhentold has done an incredible job looking into these and his foundation. Guy hopefully will win a Pulitzer for it. Some of the best investigative political journalism I have seen in a long time.
CampeadorSo you don't claim a personal exemption? That's a $4,000 deduction alone (you're welcome by the way).
I'm guessing your parents still file you as a dependent on their taxes. Otherwise you're just an idiot giving away your money to Uncle Sam.
For someone who claims to be versed in economics and finance, your knowledge of taxes is pretty abysmal, looks like that class didn't do you much good. Personal tax deductions and credits on income are about as basic as it gets.
californiagrownTaking deductions you are legally entitled to is not unethical, and I certainly don't agree it is immoral.
Insinuations that Trump defrauded the government are similar to the insinuations that Obama wasn't born here. Neither is based in fact, both are based upon hearsay and very circumstantial evidence and a general dislike for the candidate.
There is so, so, so much to dislike about trump, but drawing attention to these conspiracy theories is petty and takes the spotlight away from his much more glaring shortcomings.
Less emotion and inferences, and more fact based analysis is needed.
.MASSHOLE.Parents still file me as a dependent as I am.
Sorry, tax codes are rather complicated and as I stated, I do not qualify for many, if any, deductions
It is unethical to complain about infrastructure if one does not pay taxes (to me). Especially when one has their business collapse and get bailed out by governmental funds (those casinos). I am not trying to generalize and say everyone should agree with me, but it is a personal opinion.
I am not insinuating he defrauded the government, but there is evidence (which he could EASILY refute if he shared his taxes) that he has a history of financial mismanagement. We know he uses his own facilities for his campaign with campaign funds, has used funds from his charity for illegitimate purchases (picture, helmet, legal fees), and has been caught in shady business dealings (Cuba) before.
The evidence in these cases is strong, if not impossible to refute.
To me, everything from his taxes to financial dealings scream "self-serving", which, as a businessman is fine, but as a President is not.
californiagrownYou are frightfully naive if you expect people to not take advantage of tax deductions. It's even more scary that you believe it is unethical to suggest the government can be run better. Turning a yuuuuge one year loss into a 2 decade tax reprieve is the mark of a businessman making a great business move. As a businessman, he makes money.
Do you think it is unethical for lawyers to argue cases they don't like? Your unbridled naivete is laudable... but also laughable.
Obama could have easily refuted the birther folks with a simple birth certificate. But he didn't show it for a while because then he would create a precedent of having to disprove every asshole out to disparage him. Kinda similar to Trump.
It's disrespectful to imply and accuse a guy of being a felon without hard facts to back it up, and 20years of IRS cavity searches finding nothing.
.MASSHOLE.Parents still file me as a dependent as I am.
It is unethical to complain about infrastructure if one does not pay taxes (to me).
.MASSHOLE.I don't suggest they don't, I never said that. It just goes against my moral fibers to complain about something I have the ability to fix (at a level greater than many other people) and refuse to do so.
CampeadorSo your parents take a deduction on their taxes by claiming an exemption for you. If you have a salary, I cannot imagine why you would do this, you seem pretty clueless. Unless of course you live with them and use it as a way to indirectly pay them some low amount of rent.
Also, by your logic your parents are just as unethical as Donald Trump, since they take deductions on income taxes that would otherwise be "paying for infrastructure".
CampeadorAnd yet Hillary's returns have been out for months, and you seemingly had no issue with the fact that she used the same strategy to deduct almost $700,000 in losses. Seems rather hypocritical, no? Even more so if you're framing it as a moral argument.
Oh sorry, I forgot, you're voting for Gary Johnson. Who's his favorite world leader again?
Maybe you should lay off the Washington Compost and the NYT for a couple of days.
.MASSHOLE.Oh and Campeador. The difference is all those people save Donnie pay their taxes, even if they take deductions. Not paying ~1b in taxes is frankly very different than $700k or the neglible deductions my parents take.
But you are clearly incapable of thinking beyond binary outcomes as we've discovered.
californiagrownYa might want to stop now. You're making yourself look really terrible and out of touch... like a sickening cliche of a 1% millenial.
.MASSHOLE.Are you saying there isn't a difference between taking a billion dollar deduction, a 700k deduction, and the one my parents may take?
You evidently don't see that this isn't a binary outcome either. I don't have a problem with deductions, but I do have a problem with someone complaining about infrastructure then neglecting to pay an income tax when they are a self-proclaimed billionaire.
californiagrownUgh. I'm guessing you see no problem with starving kids on Africa, right? Well, even if you do you should shut your mouth because you are neglecting to pay taxes that would go towards aid. Haha.
Hell, your parents spent $500k on your education when you would have been just a good if they spent $0. I guess there are no other good uses for that money though... right?
You see binary outcomes lol. Donald bad. You good. Nuff said.
CampeadorThank you for providing the most accurate description of a progressive that I have read to date.
.MASSHOLE.Where did I ever say that? What makes you so sure my family doesn't donate money towards philanthropic causes? You do realize that donations towards charities can be used towards write-offs too right, which, in the end, can be a zero-sum outcome...
It depends on how you view education. The public school in my town is one of the best in the state, but it does not offer what private school does, connections.
I guess because my parents spent that money on education they didn't spend income taxes on that money in your world?
No, I see Donald as unfit to be President for a variety of reasons. Do I think he is an awful human being? Yes, but that is entirely subjective.
Christ, you need to stop assuming my views are not flexible.
californiagrownDonald doesn't donate to charities? Your family took deductions on your taxes for your education FYI.
But really, re-read what you just wrote and see how much of a privledged millenial cliche you appear to be haha.
Then again maybe I am getting too old for this site. In which case... see ya!
.MASSHOLE.These tax releases just keep on digging up more questions for everyone to ponder over.
http://fortune.com/2016/10/04/donald-trump-tax-returns-salary-irs/
CampeadorWould love to read your posts criticizing Hillary Clinton for her transgressions, which are many. The people that want Trump to show his tax returns, are the same ones who couldn't care less about her email and her lying. They have selective outrage. Taxes are allowed to be kept secret, it's in the law. But State Department email are not meant to be secret, it's in the law.
You seem stuck on the tax returns, like it's the only bullet you have left. The IRS agents can end their audit if it's that important. Also, the desperate criminals at the NYT were not authorized to release private tax information, especially when they claim the same business loss deductions in the millions as well.
Also, you're the weakest Johnson supporter I've ever seen. Very suspect.
S.J.WTrump and other rich cunts don't pay tax=well they're just smart.
Mother uses food stamps to feed her children= stop mooching off the government.
You realise you have this massive debt that the middle class, you, me and pretty much everyone on this website has to pay because the rich manage to escape taxes using loopholes. Maybe, just maybe if we enforced our tax laws and made the rich pay their fair share of taxes we wouldn't have crumbling infrastructure and schools, among many of other problems the US has.
