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Gods_FatherWhat's your opinion on Agenda 21?
.MASSHOLE.Someone is so worked up, it is incredible. Cubicle drone? That is those idiots over at State Street or BoA. But I am guessing you're "super" successful and obviously buy suits that cost more than my entire wardrobe /s.
You seemingly think the Security Council is the only part of the UN that does anything. What about UNICEF? WHO? NESCO? Christ, your inability to see things beyond black and white astounds me.
It may have originated during the Cold War, but it is now a valid term to describe a developed country when comparing it to the EMs or 3rd world country. Sorry for using the modern usage of it.
.MASSHOLE.Honestly, I had never heard of it till you just asked me about it so I did some quick google searches.
I think it is beneficial for 2 reasons:
1. It is non-binding. We know that there are countries across the globe who are not as technologically advanced or capable as others. That makes sustainable development difficult when combined with other domestic goals of these nations. Because it is non-binding, these countries are not required to strictly adhere to these standards, but rather work in conjunction with them. It also allows countries to pullout, or return decide upon matters domestically. There is no rule book that dictates how a country can act, allowing them to retain some sovereignty.
2. It provides a framework for the future. The majority of educated people believe that we, as humans, need to change how we interact with this earth. Earth has a finite amount of resources for us, and as we grow as a population it becomes harder and harder to monitor our consumption of these resources. While this plan is overall very lofty, it is not impossible. You are already seeing rising awareness surrounding sustainable energy, income inequality, pollution control, global warming, GMOs, etc. If we want to continue living on this earth, there needs to be a serious change in our actions and this plan has helped kick-start that awareness for many countries.
Now, obviously a quick Google search will not tell me everything I need to know about Agenda 21, because I am almost certain there are provisions somewhere in it that do not work with society as it stands and that I may not agree with. There is no such thing as a perfect plan and I can't imagine this one is without fault.
But since the Tea Party hates it, it can't be that bad ;).
Gods_FatherA one world government with no borders is not so bad? I strongly disagree.
.MASSHOLE.Point to me where it says there is a one world government with no borders...I didn't see that and have a hard time believing its true.
CampeadorI'm not worked up, I'm having a good bit of fun. And I don't have to wear suits very often, but I do have two nice ones for when I do. I got them at Men's Wearhouse with a special discount coupon from Tahoe CC (don't take the bait!)
Right, the UN, what an overall great organization, their work for the jihadist Palestinian cause has been invaluable. Or the UNHCR, currently working to flood Europe with illiterate muslims, many of whom commit rape and murder.
Or how could I forget UNICEF? The organization that tricks donors in the US to fund Palestinian "summer camps" that train children to become suicide bombers.
"UNICEF has been a major financier of Palestinian “summer camps” which encourage children to become suicide bombers. One such camp is named for Wafa Idris, a female suicide bomber."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/222642/tricked-unicef-dave-kopel
And how could I forget that group of incompetent bureaucrats at the WHO? Their response to the Ebola outbreak was impressive, the level of incompetence displayed, given the resources at their disposal, was on a whole new level.
"Poor communication and incompetent staff meant the World Health Organization failed to react swiftly Ebola outbreak in Africa, reports say."
It also said the heads of WHO country offices in Africa are 'politically motivated appointments' made by the WHO regional director for Africa, Dr. Luis Sambo"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29668603
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797439/world-health-organization-admits-botching-response-ebola-blaming-incompetent-african-offices.html
Or the wonderful UNESCO, which given the ease of its job, you would think would be able to not fuck up.
"now many within the conservation community are convinced Unesco is failing. They say the moribund organisation is teetering on its once sound foundations as its principles and priorities crumble under the weight of bureaucracy and outside influence."
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/is-unesco-damaging-the-worlds-treasures-1675637.html
"UNESCO votes to classify Rachel’s Tomb and the Tomb of the Patriarchs as Muslim sites"
http://www.jewishjournal.com/israel/article/unesco_votes_to_rachels_tomb_the_tomb_of_the_patriarchs_in_hebron_as_muslim
New UNESCO Resolution Erases Jewish Connection to Temple Mount
http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/65788/unesco-names-western-wall-al-buraq-plaza/#ebZXLrc4l6vMSO6s.99
Isn't the UN just great? And who could forget this,
U.N. peacekeepers accused of raping civilians
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/06/africa/united-nations-peacekeepers-sexual-abuse/
And lastly, when you said 60 years, did you mean in the "modern usage" as well? Because that would put your timeline into the Cold War, and thus, the Cold War definition of "first world".
CampeadorIt's tough when you're a 5-minute Google search expert.
.MASSHOLE.You are so predictable.
This is your logical train of thought:
"Let me do a quick google search to find all the issues with an organization to make a point.
.MASSHOLE.He doesn't rip off his contractors, he doesn't have a checkered history on race relations, he says nothing controversial about minorities or gender."
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.MASSHOLE.Point to me where it says there is a one world government with no borders...I didn't see that and have a hard time believing its true.
.MASSHOLE.Sorry, I don't have time to read a 327 page document surrounding an agenda written in 1992. But go ahead, read it and find the phrase where they discuss a one-world government.
CampeadorLet's see, you definitely are a confused guy. First, you claim that I don't have sources, then when I provide sources you claim it's a "quick Google search" (again regurgitating the things I've said about you, I've been noticing a pattern here).
The problem with your theory is I already had knowledge of all these problems from before, which is why I was able to find specific problems (such as the Islamic favoritism of UNESCO), it was only a matter of posting evidence to shut you up.
Here's another problem, I don't plagiarize information from any of those sources the way you do, and I take from a variety of sources (both left and right), to prove my points.
The only things you've managed to pull up is the far-left Media Matters.
You're flailing so bad that the only thing you can come up with is related to a CC that I never attended, again stealing the words and insults of another member of this website, because all you are capable of is plagiarism and regurgitation. Hence why you rely on your chosen "experts" (like Paul Krugman) to tell you how to think.
It's also why you're such a fucking idiot.
CampeadorLet's see, you definitely are a confused guy. First, you claim that I don't have sources, then when I provide sources you claim it's a "quick Google search" (again regurgitating the things I've said about you, I've been noticing a pattern here).
The problem with your theory is I already had knowledge of all these problems from before, which is why I was able to find specific problems (such as the Islamic favoritism of UNESCO), it was only a matter of posting evidence to shut you up.
Here's another problem, I don't plagiarize information from any of those sources the way you do, and I take from a variety of sources (both left and right), to prove my points.
CampeadorIs that all you got?
Gods_FatherHahaha buddy, read it, it is 100% true and can be read on the UN website. It also calls for depopulation and ending parental rights as well as stripping what are fundamental, God-given rights. This isn't a quote from agenda 21 but is from the Initiative For The United Nations Eco-92 Earth Charter.
“The present vast over population, now far beyond the world carrying capacity cannot be answered by future reductions in the birth rate due to contraception, sterilization and abortion, but must be met in the present by the reduction in the numbers presently existing. This must be done by whatever means necessary."
If you had never heard of agenda 21 then i bet you haven't heard of the North American Union either.
Gods_FatherI read a lot of it and can testify 100% that it calls for a one world international government.
Unless you are saying that unless someone posts a quote of it for you, it just doesn't exist? If anyone should be pitied it should be you for your naivety.
CampeadorLooks like Trudeau's large-scale muslim "refugee" importation into Canada is quickly becoming the next disaster, as it has been everywhere else.
Adult Migrant Men in Canadian Schools
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/833535/Rebel-Media---Adult-Migrant-Men-in-Canadian-Schools
.MASSHOLE.Again, you seem to lack the ability to understand what anecdotal evidence is.
You evidently haven't read the Media Matters portion as it is a summary of VARIOUS SOURCES, both from left and right (Times and Fox) that disputes the claims the author of that piece makes. I don't know how many times I have to repeat that.
You are hopeless. I have yet to see you provide any evidence that you didn't attend a CC.
Sorry for using the information from someone with a PhD in international trade for a topic on international trade. No matter what source I use, no matter what I say, it doesn't measure up to your standards. As I have stated many times, what lives up to your standards
I could provide a plethora of sources but you would call them all biased and wrong BUT here we go
He calls for war crimes:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-reiterates-desire-to-murder-terrorists-families-a6912496.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/
He doubles down this:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/17/rand-paul/rand-pauls-right-geneva-conventions-bar-donald-tru/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/3/donald-trump-says-hed-force-us-military-commit-war/
He doesn't care if torture doesn't yield results:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/24/donald-trump-on-waterboarding-even-if-it-doesnt-work-they-deserve-it
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/opinions/trump-wrong-on-american-torture/
He calls for fighting ISIS with the same barbaric methods they use including rape and and public executions:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-responds-istanbul-waterboarding-torture
Here is a nice 28 page memo discussing all the constitutional rights he will infringe upon:
https://action.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pages/trumpmemos.pdf
He is a warhawk:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-30000-troops-isis/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2011/04/23/dumbest-guy-in-the-room-donald-trumps-energy-policy/#700458db29b9
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-refuses-to-rule-out-using-nuclear-weapons-in-attack-on-europe-a6961101.html
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-us-should-shoot-russian-planes-if-putin-calls-fail-454902
He has ZERO economic knowledge:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/16/482279689/trump-favors-returning-to-the-gold-standard-few-economists-agree
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-treasury-haircut-idea-insane-2016-5
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/11/donald-trump/donald-trump-repeats-pants-fire-claim-unemployment/
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan
Want me to continue? I have more...
There is a difference between the Initiative For the United Nations Eco-92 Earth Charter and Agenda 21.
I actual searched the entire document for that exact phrase in Agenda 21 and not a single match....
Earth Charter:
http://earthcharter.org/invent/images/uploads/echarter_english.pdf
Agenda 21:
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf
Here is the key quote about how Agenda 21 should be implemented (Bullet 4.27 if you are curious):
"This programme is concerned primarily with changes in unsustainable patterns of consumption
and production and values that encourage sustainable consumption patterns and lifestyles. It requires
the combined efforts of Governments, consumers and producers. Particular attention should be paid to
the significant role played by women and households as consumers and the potential impacts of their
combined purchasing power on the economy."
See above...
It is amazing what a simple google search can reveal that makes you and Campeador look like fools.
Gods_FatherAre you saying agenda 21 doesn't call for a large and overreaching, one world government, depopulation and the end of parental rights? You told me you just heard about agenda 21 for the first time today, so I know you haven't read it lol.
.MASSHOLE.I don't have to...Control F is a wonderful function. As is a table of contents.
You must be reading a lot of right wing BS if you actually think it calls for one world government, especially considering the whole ordeal is non-binding. You do know what that means right?
Gods_FatherHahaha read it. It also calls for an end to private property and setting up 'human settlement zones' and forcing people to move away from their current homes to live in these areas.
.MASSHOLE.Private property is mentioned once:
"The broad objective is to facilitate allocation of land to the uses that provide the greatest sustainable
benefits and to promote the transition to a sustainable and integrated management of land resources.
In doing so, environmental, social and economic issues should be taken into consideration. Protected
areas, private property rights, the rights of indigenous people and their communities and other local
communities and the economic role of women in agriculture and rural development, among other
issues, should be taken into account. In more specific terms, the objectives are as follows:"
I think you need to re-read this piece...
And, again, as I've stated before in my first post- it is non-binding, which allows for flexibility within nations who decided to abide by the agenda. It provides a framework, not a solution, to address the current problems the world faces regarding sustainable living. It is not a perfect plan (which I mentioned), and certainly is not without fault. But, that being said, it is a framework that will provide us with a flexible path forward.
Man, does anyone understand the idea of pragmatism anymore?
CampeadorLooks like Trudeau's large-scale muslim "refugee" importation into Canada is quickly becoming the next disaster, as it has been everywhere else.
Adult Migrant Men in Canadian Schools
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/833535/Rebel-Media---Adult-Migrant-Men-in-Canadian-Schools
Gods_FatherYou're so naive and bad at reading that it's beyond laughable. Read this...
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld
.MASSHOLE.Except, that isn't Agenda 21...that is 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development...
And again, no discussion of removal of private property or singular government.
Bullet 55:
The SDGs (Sustainable Development Goals) and targets are integrated and indivisible, global in nature and universally applicable, taking into account different national realities, capacities and levels of development and respecting national policies and priorities. Targets are defined as aspirational and global, with each government setting its own national targets guided by the global level of ambition but taking into account national circumstances. Each government will also decide how these aspirational and global targets should be incorporated in national planning processes, policies and strategies. It is important to recognize the link between sustainable development and other relevant ongoing processes in the economic, social and environmental fields.
Looks mighty similar to what I wrote, perhaps more elegant, but the message is the same.
Gods_FatherI know it's from the 2030 document, you didn't post any of the 17 points listed which entail exactly what I said and more.
.MASSHOLE.You asked me about Agenda 21 which is entirely different from the 2030 document. And I still have yet to see a single point referencing a singular, universal government, removal of private property, removal of parental rights, or culling of population levels.
Gods_Father#13 is one of the worst, take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts.
That means there will be energy usage quotas and you will have to pay or be punished for using too much energy. So if you live an active lifestyle you're fucked.
Gods_Fatheryeah, if you don't read it you won't see a single point. You can't read between the lines anyway haha. You should also read "confessions of an economic hit man"
.MASSHOLE.Oh I should have known you'd be a climate change denier. Makes a lot of sense.
You seem to forget the whole passage I posted where it mentioned these are undertaken at the government's discretion. And I did read it, enough of it to know you are full of BS. You are grasping at straws. Too much Alex Jones and Tea Party material for you.
I have read it, I was an economics major and it was laughable. Sure there are larger economic motives that drive governments as well as NGO actions, but to think there is a larger conspiracy at hand when presented with the data that disputes his points is foolish. And the NSA hiring an economic hitman? HA
S.J.WAround 60-70% of school children will bully another child at some time. But sure let's focus on those pesky muslims coming in and bullying to further our agenda. And with regards to the "cover up". Teachers in all forms of bullying will only intervene 4% of the time. This is nothing more than some bullshit story trying to connect dots and call it a master piece to further an agenda. Nearly every kid bullies, and nearly every teacher does nothing about it. This isn't a muslim/west issue. This is a school issue. Stop trying to find Islamic blah blah wherever it doesn't exist. You're starting to look like the feminists who blame sexism for everything.
Gods_FatherHow am I a climate change denier hahaha?So you read the book and understand how corporations force developing countries into massive debt through new infrastructure? Cause that's what they mean when they say"build resilient infrastructure" lol.
.MASSHOLE.Seeing as you are against a quota on energy consumption, and believe there is a conspiracy to limit energy usage, it would seem to me that you certainly have an issue with responsible energy usage.
And no, the whole premise of the book is wildly unrealistic. Real world evidence goes against the basic principle of the book that the "corporatocracy" is evil. Firstly, if they were, you would not see life expectancies increase in countries that were subjected to the interests of these companies and organizations. Same can be said for literacy rates. Why would these companies want an increase in literate workers? It would create possible unrest if they were to learn about their working conditions. And again, looking at global poverty rates, they have fallen for a long time, especially in areas with these MNCs. If corporations were truly running this world, they would not allow these things to happen.
And don't even get me started on his comparison of company incomes to GDP. You cannot compare the two. A government has inherently more power than ANY company because of taxes, legislation, and frankly political power.
Also, basic logic, no one forces countries to over-leverage themselves be it rich or poor.
Gods_FatherFunny though you didn't mention the debt they incur :p
Guess you're all psyched for companies like nestle to own all the water on the planet.
erikKHahaha even when I agree with you on something I find the random statistics you spit out truly hilarious.
Four fucking percent. Where do you find this shit???
Gods_Father#13 is one of the worst, take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts.
That means there will be energy usage quotas and you will have to pay or be punished for using too much energy. So if you live an active lifestyle you're fucked.
californiagrownPeople need to stop living in big ass cheap houses an hour away from their jobs, keeping their house at 69 in the summer and 72 in the winter.
So actually the lazy fucks get punished. The active folks will just bike and carpool.
Gods_FatherReally, why? People shouldn't live in rural areas or have the freedom to choose where they want to live? Lol ok
Gods_FatherAs if you're going to take a bike to the mountains to ski or hike, go golfing, fishing, camping...
.MASSHOLE.Bloomberg throwing some shade.
CampeadorMasshole, I'm glad Hillary brings a little tingle to your limp dick.
CampeadorMasshole, I'm glad Hillary brings a little tingle to your limp dick.
CampeadorMasshole, I'm glad Hillary brings a little tingle to your limp dick.
.LeoMike Pence denies evolution? How is this man a legitimate VP candidate?
californiagrownThat's just the start. Scary thing is, he was picked to make the Trump ticket look less insane and more like they had a plan.
.MASSHOLE.Struck a nerve did I? Oh man, someone doesn't like someone a few years their junior being smarter than them.
I I said more cultural than religious. Learn to read. Never denied the religious links. But it is more prevalent in Africa regardless of religion.
CampeadorThat's funny, given the correlation to a single religion, perhaps if you watched the clip from David Pakman's show you'd see that. I wonder what religious group is carrying out all the FGM in the UK?
Check mate, Masshole, you unbelievable piece of shit.
