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36ChambersOfWuI don't get why people wouldn't vote for Trump at this point. Would you rather have a "racist" (I say "racist" because that's what people say even though he is not) or a criminal in the White House?
Easy choice people
Trump has 3,500 lawsuits against him over his career. One lawsuit accuses Trump of attempting to rape a 13 year old child in 1994. So taking republican logic of Hillary being a criminal despite never being convicted of anything. Then Trump must be a child rapist, even though he hasn't been convicted.
S.J.WTrump has 3,500 lawsuits against him over his career. One lawsuit accuses Trump of attempting to rape a 13 year old child in 1994. So taking republican logic of Hillary being a criminal despite never being convicted of anything. Then Trump must be a child rapist, even though he hasn't been convicted.
McNocheDo you truly believe Hilary is capable of leading America successfully?
Yes I do. A president doesn't solely rely on their own opinion to run a country. They have advisors to pretty much everything. Bill Clinton wasn't a budget balancing genius. It was his team. Hilary has had a long career in politics, she knows when to listen to her advisors. Hilary will be pretty much an Obama 2.0 which she won't be the best president, but she'll be good enough. The problem with Trump is that he is to egocentric. Everything he says he believes he is right. This is why he will more likely than not be a terrible president. If Trump believes one thing, and his staff believe another Trump will do what he thinks is right. Like build a wall which is going to cost 17 billion just in raw materials.Not including labour or maintenance.
S.J.WYes I do. A president doesn't solely rely on their own opinion to run a country. They have advisors to pretty much everything. Bill Clinton wasn't a budget balancing genius. It was his team. Hilary has had a long career in politics, she knows when to listen to her advisors. Hilary will be pretty much an Obama 2.0 which she won't be the best president, but she'll be good enough. The problem with Trump is that he is to egocentric. Everything he says he believes he is right. This is why he will more likely than not be a terrible president. If Trump believes one thing, and his staff believe another Trump will do what he thinks is right. Like build a wall which is going to cost 17 billion just in raw materials.Not including labour or maintenance.
Fair enough. While I disagree on some of your points, quality post bro.
S.J.WYes I do. A president doesn't solely rely on their own opinion to run a country. They have advisors to pretty much everything. Bill Clinton wasn't a budget balancing genius. It was his team. Hilary has had a long career in politics, she knows when to listen to her advisors. Hilary will be pretty much an Obama 2.0 which she won't be the best president, but she'll be good enough. The problem with Trump is that he is to egocentric. Everything he says he believes he is right. This is why he will more likely than not be a terrible president. If Trump believes one thing, and his staff believe another Trump will do what he thinks is right. Like build a wall which is going to cost 17 billion just in raw materials.Not including labour or maintenance.
Obama 2.0, just what we need. Kennedy put a man on the moon, Obama put a man in the ladies room
S.J.WTrump has 3,500 lawsuits against him over his career. One lawsuit accuses Trump of attempting to rape a 13 year old child in 1994. So taking republican logic of Hillary being a criminal despite never being convicted of anything. Then Trump must be a child rapist, even though he hasn't been convicted.
There is a difference between things that actually happened (Hillary killing Americans, and deleting emails) and things that somone made up to try to get money out of a rich person
36ChambersOfWuTrump is not the best candidate by far, but he is not a criminal so that's one point for him
Actually, Trump is too scared to release his tax returns because of ties to crime families. Sounds pretty criminal to me...
"Our ruling
Cruz said, "There have been multiple media reports about Donald's business dealings with the mob, with the mafia."
While it’s important to note that these connections were not atypical in the real estate and casino businesses in the 1980s, Cruz’s statement is accurate. Media reports have linked Trump to mafia bosses and mob-connected business associates for decades.
S.J.WActually, Trump is too scared to release his tax returns because of ties to crime families. Sounds pretty criminal to me...
"Our ruling
Cruz said, "There have been multiple media reports about Donald's business dealings with the mob, with the mafia."
While it’s important to note that these connections were not atypical in the real estate and casino businesses in the 1980s, Cruz’s statement is accurate. Media reports have linked Trump to mafia bosses and mob-connected business associates for decades.
Basically Hillary had the option to save a US ambassador's life and 3 marine's lives, and her direct inaction lead to their deaths
The investigation into Benghazi just ended and it concluded that Hilary and Obama didn't do anything wrong. The embassy was already under funded from cuts from republicans and Clinton never personally denied any requests for extra security in Benghazi. But I'm sure a 2 year, 7 million dollar, 800 pages report is less credible than a documentry right???
36ChambersOfWuObama 2.0, just what we need. Kennedy put a man on the moon, Obama put a man in the ladies room
Obama also ranks as currently the 17th best president in US history. I'll take another Obama any day over getting a president who, by all current accounts, will be worse than G.W. Bush, who ranks 38th.
onenerdykidObama also ranks as currently the 17th best president in US history. I'll take another Obama any day over getting a president who, by all current accounts, will be worse than G.W. Bush, who ranks 38th.
You just said her inaction led to others being killed. Therefore she didn't do the killing. So how can she be a killer?
And what crime has she been convicted of? Or do you not know what the word criminal means? Or do you simply not believe on a tenant of American society- innocent until proven guilty?
californiagrownYou just said her inaction led to others being killed. Therefore she didn't do the killing. So how can she be a killer?
And what crime has she been convicted of? Or do you not know what the word criminal means? Or do you simply not believe on a tenant of American society- innocent until proven guilty?
By your logic the Orlando shooter didn't kill anyone, the bullet did.
36ChambersOfWuBy your logic the Orlando shooter didn't kill anyone, the bullet did.
You really are a fucking moron. No wonder you like Trump.
Your logic would suggest that the club goers killed other victims because the allowed the killing to happen. Ordering and/or carrying out a killing are far different than responding too late to a threat and making a mistake that allowed killings.
Seriously, how dumb are you? Oh right, you think Hilary is a killer criminal and Trump is a savior. Nvm.
californiagrownYou really are a fucking moron. No wonder you like Trump.
Your logic would suggest that the club goers killed other victims because the allowed the killing to happen. Ordering and/or carrying out a killing are far different than responding too late to a threat and making a mistake that allowed killings.
Seriously, how dumb are you? Oh right, you think Hilary is a killer criminal and Trump is a savior. Nvm.
The people in the club are not killers, they were helpless, they couldn't have changed the situation. Unless one of them had a gun on them. If they had they could have prevented most of the deaths. In that situation they could be viewed as responsible for others deaths. My definition of a murderer. The Orlando shooter is a murderer, he was responsible for the deaths. Hillary is a murderer because she is responsible for the deaths in Benghazi. She would be like a person in that club with a gun. She could have prevented deaths, but she chose to go to bed and do nothing.
Also please find where I said Trump is a savior. I thought I even said somewhere he is not a great candidate, oh I almost forgot, I am dumb I probably didn't say that
36ChambersOfWuI don't get why people wouldn't vote for Trump at this point. Would you rather have a "racist" (I say "racist" because that's what people say even though he is not) or a criminal in the White House?
Easy choice people
Lol exactly i explain it to people like this.
if you had a choice between two people to babysit your kid. Would you rather have someone who may be a chomo. Or someone who says a bad word every now and then.
36ChambersOfWuThe people in the club are not killers, they were helpless, they couldn't have changed the situation. Unless one of them had a gun on them. If they had they could have prevented most of the deaths. In that situation they could be viewed as responsible for others deaths. My definition of a murderer. The Orlando shooter is a murderer, he was responsible for the deaths. Hillary is a murderer because she is responsible for the deaths in Benghazi. She would be like a person in that club with a gun. She could have prevented deaths, but she chose to go to bed and do nothing.
Also please find where I said Trump is a savior. I thought I even said somewhere he is not a great candidate, oh I almost forgot, I am dumb I probably didn't say that
Lol. You are an absolute chucklehead.
Every person involved with a tactical organization will tell you to gtfo if armed with s handgun and an active shooter with an assault rifle starts blasting up the place.
But hey, your suburban self knows better, right? Tgat person who managed get out unharmed, he's a killer. Sure bud. You're what's wrong with America if you actually believe that.
"On the 2016 campaign trail, Donald Trump has insisted that he is worth more than $10bn. However, a statement filed to the Securities and Exchange Commission by Wells Fargo Securities on Trump’s behalf in 2012 indicated that the real estate developer was then worth less than half that, with comparatively few of the liquid assets that may now finance his campaign for president.
In the document, which concerned the securitization of commercial mortgages on properties including Trump Tower in New York City, Trump was described as being worth more than $4.2bn, with liquid assets of more than $250m."
Well, we know he isn't worth the $10b he claims, unless he doubled his net worth in the past 2 years, which is HIGHLY unlikely.
californiagrownLol. You are an absolute chucklehead.
Every person involved with a tactical organization will tell you to gtfo if armed with s handgun and an active shooter with an assault rifle starts blasting up the place.
But hey, your suburban self knows better, right? Tgat person who managed get out unharmed, he's a killer. Sure bud. You're what's wrong with America if you actually believe that.
I didn't really understand what you said because of all the spelling errors but hey, that's because you don't try or work hard and just want to suck all the money out of the hard working, honest middle class
onenerdykidObama also ranks as currently the 17th best president in US history. I'll take another Obama any day over getting a president who, by all current accounts, will be worse than G.W. Bush, who ranks 38th.
and this rank comes off of what? who fits pc culture more and such? im confused.
Perhaps the above Wikipedia article that averages out rankings from a variety of sources? I'm not sure what he used, this just came off the top of my head.
Why has Obama been such a bad president, though, in your opinion? I think he's done a respectable job - better than he gets credit for at least.
Perhaps the above Wikipedia article that averages out rankings from a variety of sources? I'm not sure what he used, this just came off the top of my head.
Why has Obama been such a bad president, though, in your opinion? I think he's done a respectable job - better than he gets credit for at least.
Panders to social justice and young people. thinks federal government knows best, they don't. A pointless obsession with gun policy, and a refusal to accept that sometimes people are crazy, but I honestly think he believes at this point that gun control will make everything better. And an absolutely abbysmal immigration policy that doesn't benefit people who are here for general jobs (nursing, lawyers etc).
roddy116and this rank comes off of what? who fits pc culture more and such? im confused.
Almost every single ranking you can find of the USA's presidents has Obama between 15-18, and many of which rank Reagan around 10, so they're by no account biased from the left. They're often done by historians, often members of the American Political Science Association’s Presidents & Executive Politics section, and various universities around the country.
I also would like to know the specifics of their metrics & methodology, but I assume they're looking at how each president handled the challenges of their time. For Obama I imagine that would include passing the healthcare reform act, the TARP bailout, passed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act Wall Street reforms, being the president under which Bin Laden was killed, ended the War in Iraq, stimulated the US auto industry, repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", legalized gay marriage (and in fact has done more for the LGBT community than any other president), the stock market is up since he took office, unemployment is down as well, GDP growth is up, and he notably hasn't been part of a scandal. He's definitely not the greatest president ever, he's done (and does) things that I find negative for sure, but I would say it is fair that he ranks around 17, which is middle of the pack. He's a good, average US president. Especially when you look at the disaster of a country he was handed when he took office.
So if I have to choose between another "average" US president (one who also actually has political experience) and a conman looking to run civilization off a cliff, I am assuredly going to pick the Obama 2.0 option.
onenerdykidAlmost every single ranking you can find of the USA's presidents has Obama between 15-18, and many of which rank Reagan around 10, so they're by no account biased from the left. They're often done by historians, often members of the American Political Science Association’s Presidents & Executive Politics section, and various universities around the country.
I also would like to know the specifics of their metrics & methodology, but I assume they're looking at how each president handled the challenges of their time. For Obama I imagine that would include passing the healthcare reform act, the TARP bailout, passed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act Wall Street reforms, being the president under which Bin Laden was killed, ended the War in Iraq, stimulated the US auto industry, repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", legalized gay marriage (and in fact has done more for the LGBT community than any other president), the stock market is up since he took office, unemployment is down as well, GDP growth is up, and he notably hasn't been part of a scandal. He's definitely not the greatest president ever, he's done (and does) things that I find negative for sure, but I would say it is fair that he ranks around 17, which is middle of the pack. He's a good, average US president. Especially when you look at the disaster of a country he was handed when he took office.
So if I have to choose between another "average" US president (one who also actually has political experience) and a conman looking to run civilization off a cliff, I am assuredly going to pick the Obama 2.0 option.
I'd argue that he made the repair go way slower. But whatever. Either way I could spin your shit the other way. Maybe I want a president who doesn't see a need to be professional, speaks his mind on everything, and generally doesn't care about pointless social agendas. Versus a flip flopping, crazy and possibly criminal person for president.
roddy116I'd argue that he made the repair go way slower. But whatever. Either way I could spin your shit the other way. Maybe I want a president who doesn't see a need to be professional, speaks his mind on everything, and generally doesn't care about pointless social agendas. Versus a flip flopping, crazy and possibly criminal person for president.
The fact is, Obama moved the needle forward and made the repairs. Could it have happened sooner? Maybe, but who knows. But I fail to see why being a "professional" is a negative trait. Surely it's more positive than "speaking your mind". Speaking your mind is only a good thing if you have good things to say. It's indicative of not having self-control, and it's hardly a praise-worthy quality when you spew mindless babble. He's honest about being completely incompetent and every time he opens his mouth on any topic, he just shows how clueless he is about the topic.
Versus a flip flopper? Trump is the king of flip flopping and he changes his song and dance every other week. Here's just a few:
On Obama:
2015 - he's incompetent
2010 - he and the Democrats have done a good job, especially with the economy
On Healthcare:
2015 - the Republicans are weak in their attack on Obamacare
1999 - Liberal on healthcare, favors universal healthcare
On Taxes:
2015 - we all should pay as little as possible
1999 - favors heavy taxes on the rich to combat our national debt
On Abortion:
2015 - very pro life
1999 - very pro choice
He is a simple opportunist who will change his beliefs for a shot at being president. The only thing he truly stands for is saying whatever it takes in order to be the most powerful man in America.
onenerdykidThe fact is, Obama moved the needle forward and made the repairs. Could it have happened sooner? Maybe, but who knows. But I fail to see why being a "professional" is a negative trait. Surely it's more positive than "speaking your mind". Speaking your mind is only a good thing if you have good things to say. It's indicative of not having self-control, and it's hardly a praise-worthy quality when you spew mindless babble. He's honest about being completely incompetent and every time he opens his mouth on any topic, he just shows how clueless he is about the topic.
Versus a flip flopper? Trump is the king of flip flopping and he changes his song and dance every other week. Here's just a few:
On Obama:
2015 - he's incompetent
2010 - he and the Democrats have done a good job, especially with the economy
On Healthcare:
2015 - the Republicans are weak in their attack on Obamacare
1999 - Liberal on healthcare, favors universal healthcare
On Taxes:
2015 - we all should pay as little as possible
1999 - favors heavy taxes on the rich to combat our national debt
On Abortion:
2015 - very pro life
1999 - very pro choice
He is a simple opportunist who will change his beliefs for a shot at being president. The only thing he truly stands for is saying whatever it takes in order to be the most powerful man in America.
Why is it so bad if people spew mindless babble? If they are given the option to speak, than they will shoot themselves in the foot, this whole idea of marginalization of speech is a huge problem. But I mean obviously he is saying something correct or something that resonates with enough people or else he would not be where he is today.
roddy116Why is it so bad if people spew mindless babble? If they are given the option to speak, than they will shoot themselves in the foot, this whole idea of marginalization of speech is a huge problem. But I mean obviously he is saying something correct or something that resonates with enough people or else he would not be where he is today.
I don't mind when average people do it, but I do mind when a POTUS candidate does. This is a fairly high ranking position to hold and it would be nice if a semi-educated person held it. I'd like to think that the president shouldn't behave like a 5-year old who got his favorite toy taken away. Basic logic skills would be a plus (which applies to Hilary too)- the majority of his arguments rely on ad-hominem, straw man, and red herring fallacies. And he lies far more than he tells the truth (78% of his claims are mostly false or worse according to PolitiFact).
The problem with Trump is that he does shoot himself in the foot, but people seem to love it. In fact the crazier he gets, he gets more applause. Calling Mexicans rapists, mocking disabled reporters, making overtly sexist remarks, believing that man-made climate change is a hoax, arguing that we should kill the families' of terrorists, thinks vaccines cause autism, etc. etc. This list goes on and on. His approval has much less do to with him being correct as it does with most of his supporters being rather uneducated on many topics. And he's come out and said it: "I love the poorly educated". This is his base and he relies on it.
onenerdykidAnd he lies far more than he tells the truth (78% of his claims are mostly false or worse according to PolitiFact).
And he's come out and said it: "I love the poorly educated". This is his base and he relies on it.
Can we please stop pretending that Politifact and the WaPo "Fact Checker" are anything other than left-wing propagandists? Trump could say that the sky is blue, and they'd still say his claim was "mostly false".
As far as his base, all the data has shown from the primaries that his voters are pretty evenly distributed among the various levels of education.
onenerdykidI don't mind when average people do it, but I do mind when a POTUS candidate does. This is a fairly high ranking position to hold and it would be nice if a semi-educated person held it. I'd like to think that the president shouldn't behave like a 5-year old who got his favorite toy taken away. Basic logic skills would be a plus (which applies to Hilary too)- the majority of his arguments rely on ad-hominem, straw man, and red herring fallacies. And he lies far more than he tells the truth (78% of his claims are mostly false or worse according to PolitiFact).
The problem with Trump is that he does shoot himself in the foot, but people seem to love it. In fact the crazier he gets, he gets more applause. Calling Mexicans rapists, mocking disabled reporters, making overtly sexist remarks, believing that man-made climate change is a hoax, arguing that we should kill the families' of terrorists, thinks vaccines cause autism, etc. etc. This list goes on and on. His approval has much less do to with him being correct as it does with most of his supporters being rather uneducated on many topics. And he's come out and said it: "I love the poorly educated". This is his base and he relies on it.
Ok so what you are saying is. Every trump supporter is completely uneducated so he must be completely incorrect and everything he says is incorrect and dangerous, because I disagree with him? With elaborate paragraphs of course.
ToursCan we please stop pretending that Politifact and the WaPo "Fact Checker" are anything other than left-wing propagandists? Trump could say that the sky is blue, and they'd still say his claim was "mostly false".
As far as his base, all the data has shown from the primaries that his voters are pretty evenly distributed among the various levels of education.
so you gonna back up those claims???
I know for a fact you can't because there isn't a single piece of evidence which suggests Trumps supports are evenly spread among education. You know republicans with education don't support Trump? Because Trump is a fake conservative. He's saying things to get elected and fuel his own ego and educated voters can see past his facade.
I know for a fact you can't because there isn't a single piece of evidence which suggests Trumps supports are evenly spread among education. You know republicans with education don't support Trump? Because Trump is a fake conservative. He's saying things to get elected and fuel his own ego and educated voters can see past his facade.
Well, seeing as 43% have graduated college/gone on to get a postgraduate degree versus the 57% who have no college degree, he isn't "wrong", but he is not "right".
What we do know is that Trump certainly does not lack educated voters, but they do not make up the core of his support unlike his competitors, both current (Clinton) and former (GOP hopefuls, Sanders).
I'm interested to see where SJW's graphic came from and how recent it is.
ToursCan we please stop pretending that Politifact and the WaPo "Fact Checker" are anything other than left-wing propagandists? Trump could say that the sky is blue, and they'd still say his claim was "mostly false".
While I don't think that PolitiFact is a beacon of scientific truth, I don't see more legitimate fact checkers out there in the political arena. If there are, please let me know.
But, it's also fairly inaccurate to call them "left-wing propagandists". While they might lean a little to the left they analyze the right and the left equally well (total claims checked are 50% Republican and 47% Democrat). It's true that they do find more un-truths being told by the right, but is this liberal bias or is it actually due to the right just simply being more often wrong? Given many of the claims spewed by the right, I'm inclined to think the latter. They also gave the 2013 "Lie of the Year" award to Obama, which is hardly indicative of left-wing propagandists.
Why is Hilary as bad as you say? Specifically? The corporate backing issue is a standard deal with politicians. And Benghazi was a fuckup, sure, but was frankly a small deal in the grand scheme.
I have a pretty good idea why Trump will ruin America, why will Hilary?
ToursPeople who hate America are also fucking idiots.
Aren't you a Brit/citizen of the UK? You said you voted for the Brexit yet you embroil yourself in American politics...
californiagrownWhy is Hilary as bad as you say? Specifically? The corporate backing issue is a standard deal with politicians. And Benghazi was a fuckup, sure, but was frankly a small deal in the grand scheme.
I have a pretty good idea why Trump will ruin America, why will Hilary?
People will argue (with a lot of evidence) she is untrustworthy, but I, personally, have seen very little issue surrounding her actual policies beyond the TPP and her "warhawkishness".
.MASSHOLE.Aren't you a Brit/citizen of the UK? You said you voted for the Brexit yet you embroil yourself in American politics...
People will argue (with a lot of evidence) she is untrustworthy, but I, personally, have seen very little issue surrounding her actual policies beyond the TPP and her "warhawkishness".
No politician is trustworthy. They say what they think will get them the most votes... when they get in office many of those popular ideas they had are impossible to implement.
Anyone who actually thinks a politician doesn't lie or at least hugely over promise is an idiot.
californiagrownNo politician is trustworthy. They say what they think will get them the most votes... when they get in office many of those popular ideas they had are impossible to implement.
Anyone who actually thinks a politician doesn't lie or at least hugely over promise is an idiot.
Agreed, and that is why a lot of people point to Sanders as being a good candidate with his honesty and dedication to his platform. Unfortunately, I think in todays political climate, given the divide between the two parties, a successful politician needs to be willing to sacrifice certain goals in exchange for others.
