Florida Gun Shop Owner Posts Video Claiming His Store is Now a "Muslim-Free Zone"

lIllIIt's interesting that we choose to give certain people power over us by paying attention to them at all.

S.J.WAnd muslims can't even sue him for being a discrimitinating racist cunt because Florida doesn't even have any anti discrimation laws for business and their customers.

INB4 ignorant comments about how all muslims are terrorists.

theabortionatorSure there might be a couple good ones in the bunch but isn't it obvious that 99% of them want to kill you and your family?

VinnieFNah look of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It's federal. They can sue.

S.J.WAhh I see. Is that even legally binding in a state court though? With the whole states rights over federal laws thing???

Huck_NorrisIf every Muslim is a terrorist then every Christian is a member of the Westboro Baptist Church.


If the most extreme fringe group of any religion sets your standard then you're just a sad little person and you should keep your terrible opinions to yourself. It's bad enough you don't know shit, it's even worse that you think you do.

CheddarJackI got a great kick out his "don't believe their lies" rhetoric. When he said racism was on a decline until Obama took office I straight up lol'd

Bombogenesisyeah, I agree with you about stereotyping every person of a certain religion or color or whatever being awful but the terrorist/WBC thing doesn't really work for me. There are literally millions of people who sympathize with Jihad and like a couple hundred members of that stupid church. I get what you're trying to say but Islam by far has the highest incidence of extremism...it's not even close. It'd be stupid to argue otherwise.

The guy might be a dolt but I mean...does it really matter?

californiagrownIt's not Islam, its the circumstance of the people on the middle East.

Extremism is born of social, military and economic injustice.

Bad shit happens in Africa and Asia but the atrocities are committed in the name of ethnic troubles. It just so happens that the middle East is predominantly Muslim.

BombogenesisI thought that their holy book had like explicitly told them what to do. I admittedly am not that well versed in religion (I have a science background and am a science teacher so I'm not pretending to be an expert).

But still, I don't get why anyone cares. The guy is gonna do whatever it is that he's gonna do and people are going to shop elsewhere and nature will take care of the rest lol.

californiagrownIt's not Islam, its the circumstance of the people on the middle East.

Extremism is born of social, military and economic injustice.

Bad shit happens in Africa and Asia but the atrocities are committed in the name of ethnic troubles. It just so happens that the middle East is predominantly Muslim.

onenerdykidBut Islam (and other religions historically) gives people in such areas a sense of moral obligation, justification, praise, and reward for committing such atrocities. If it is not a direct cause, it ought to be at least considered as kindling or fuel for such atrocities.

BombogenesisI thought that their holy book had like explicitly told them what to do. I admittedly am not that well versed in religion (I have a science background and am a science teacher so I'm not pretending to be an expert).

But still, I don't get why anyone cares. The guy is gonna do whatever it is that he's gonna do and people are going to shop elsewhere and nature will take care of the rest lol.

onenerdykidBut Islam (and other religions historically) gives people in such areas a sense of moral obligation, justification, praise, and reward for committing such atrocities. If it is not a direct cause, it ought to be at least considered as kindling or fuel for such atrocities.

DingoSeanI find that bullshit..

really, the difference in 'violence' between Islam and Christianity has to do with the development of the nations where they predominantly exist.

Most of the nations where Islam is currently existing, are very very new - we're takling like, post-war numero dos, new... Most of these countries have only recently started exhibiting democracy in any way/shape/form. most didn't even really become organized until the 1960's, or 1970's.. some only since the 80's.

The killing in the name of religion is less about religion, and more about power and post-colonialism, only it's shrouded under the guise and justification of religion by it's activists.

You think ISIS is about spreading islam? Nope. It's about exhibiting power and control on an area...

Same goes with the taliban... that was entirely about control.

You think 911 was about Islam? No way. That was because off US foreign policy in their home area, and seeing as there hasn't been an attack of quite that size ever since only shows that there aren't enough muslims who are quite that crazy or determined to be able to pull it off en-masse. There's been far more psychos going on killing sprees since then around the world with much different justifications for their insanity.

there are plenty of christians who say that "america was founded as a christian country ad it should stay that way and in god we trust and blah blah blah". The difference is, our country has a founding basis that prohibits any takeover by some asinine group in order to form their own psycholand... but with the vaccum of power in the middle east started in Iraq and Syria, it's given these nutjobs the ability to take over these areas with force.

..compare it more to rebel groups in South America and Africa who have controlled whole areas of entire countries since colonialization ended. It's way more along those lines.

TLDR: Kony15?

onenerdykidYou are confusing necessary cause and sufficient cause. Look them up.

I am saying that religion can be a catalyst in these areas that you are describing. It is not a necessary prerequisite for violence, but it does give people who are prone to violence even more justification for their actions in said areas.

You are more than correct to say that areas of strife will continue to be areas of strife due to their political, social, and economic issues they are facing. Religion is not the main cause of the violence in the Middle East, but you would be ignoring the psychological and sociological facts that militants use religion to further and justify their actions in certain areas.

I agree with you that religion is not a necessary cause of the problems in Middle East, but it for sure and without question is a sufficient cause.

onenerdykidBut Islam (and other religions historically) gives people in such areas a sense of moral obligation, justification, praise, and reward for committing such atrocities. If it is not a direct cause, it ought to be at least considered as kindling or fuel for such atrocities.

DingoSeanI find that bullshit..

DingoSeanThat's the thing though... this is a debate over Islam here that i'm talking about - not religion in general.

Religion is obviously a catalyst in the case, but that's not my point.. my point is that Islam isn't directly the catalyst simply because of what it is.

DingoSeanThat's the thing though... this is a debate over Islam here that i'm talking about - not religion in general.

Religion is obviously a catalyst in the case, but that's not my point.. my point is that Islam isn't directly the catalyst simply because of what it is.

If people in the middle east were christian, and THIS HEMISPHERE was predominantly muslim instead, we'd be condemning the psycho christians for looking deep in the bible and finding justification for their bullshit within it..

Hell, there are Jews in Israel who justify the settlements in the west bank with scripture, and there are crazyfuck buddhist extremists in Burma who are using texts and teachings there to justify their current violent streak over there.

Religion can definitely be used as a strong justification to snowball up the local populace into your way of thinking - especially when you have the guns and shit, and show you're willing to use them if people don't just submit to your rule.

Personality cults are just as bad as any religion. See: North Korea. Or Jonestown. Or the Nazis...

PeppermillRenothere is a definite cultural problem.

PeppermillRenoLike Mexicans who get a bad rap all the Muslims I have interacted with have been OK so I feel bad labeling these people but there is a definite cultural problem.

DingoSeanPerhaps. but Islam is not culture. It's a religion.

PeppermillRenoSure if Christians were indescriminantly suicide bombing Muslims Muslims would call Christians terrorists NO SHIT!

CheddarJackI mean that right there is the problem. Muslims cannot identify individually. Pointing out how some individuals are good (which is an extremely common "excuse" e.g. I'm not racist, I have a black friend) is the same as Trump's quote about Mexicans: "but some, I assume, are good people."

It proves that there is a stigma against the entire population and in order for one person to be accepted, he/she must prove that he/she lives above the expectations of them, not him/her. This is exactly the reason the gun shop owner banned all Muslims. It's textbook racism. The same scenario applies to every oppressed social group in this country.



But it's a religion that causes a culture; the same way Christianity has shaped, chiseled, and polished American culture.

PeppermillRenoYou got me.


I wasn't trying to be racist or not racist though when I prefaced that I had never had any problems.


I was just simply pointing out that the couple of muslim dudes I know the same age as Chatanooga and Boston I actually could see doing shit like this and it means those kids might not have been that fucked or weird in in terms of day to day life yet somehow commited these acts. And then you go to the muslim community and you do find normal people who somehow sympathize even if they don't necessarily think that shit is OK.

S.J.WAhh I see. Is that even legally binding in a state court though? With the whole states rights over federal laws thing???

CheddarJackValid. There should be no sympathy for extremists and terrorists. That's what they are and should be treated as such.

So do you put the individual as fault for the terrorism or the Jihadist role models, oppression, bad luck, and all that as the catalyst for his actions?

Terrorists have to learn the beliefs somewhere. We're not gunna make any progress unless we deal with the problem from its roots. What you said is terrible, that you could see them turning bad after living a harmless life. We need to keep everyone on the right track and not let that happen.

It's basically the rhetoric of Make Love, Not War. Those who have no true reason to be hated should be loved so that they don't end up giving a reason to hate them.

PeppermillRenoJust look at how much rap music encourages black on black crime and how its all about guns and drugs and how much money they have. Its not 'cool' for black people in inner cities to get good grades. Muslims have the same exact shit its just not gangs and hood shit its terrorism.

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DingoSeanThat's the thing though... this is a debate over Islam here that i'm talking about - not religion in general.

Religion is obviously a catalyst in the case, but that's not my point.. my point is that Islam isn't directly the catalyst simply because of what it is.

If people in the middle east were christian, and THIS HEMISPHERE was predominantly muslim instead, we'd be condemning the psycho christians for looking deep in the bible and finding justification for their bullshit within it..

Hell, there are Jews in Israel who justify the settlements in the west bank with scripture, and there are crazyfuck buddhist extremists in Burma who are using texts and teachings there to justify their current violent streak over there.

Religion can definitely be used as a strong justification to snowball up the local populace into your way of thinking - especially when you have the guns and shit, and show you're willing to use them if people don't just submit to your rule.

Personality cults are just as bad as any religion. See: North Korea. Or Jonestown. Or the Nazis...