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Who landed the first double cork ever?

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CUSHKOMA
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I'm curious as to who landed the first ever double cork on skis. I consider my historical knowledge of freeskiing to be pretty deep and I know Jon has been given a lot of credit with his Kangaroo Flip, but I was watching Volume Video Magazine-Issue #11 the other day and saw Mike Wilson bust out a dub 10 during Big Air at the US Open back in 2004. I don't think I've ever seen, let alone fathomed any footage of a double at that point in time or earlier. Anyone know the answer to this?
Jul 21 2015 6:21PM
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zwilly
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The real question is who landed the latest dub cork.
Jul 21 2015 6:23PM
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eheath
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Mike Wilson did the first dub 10s for sure.
Jul 21 2015 6:31PM
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Mr.Bishop
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eheathMike Wilson did the first dub 10s for sure.


Fuck that... schrabs.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776566/Adam-Schrab--39-s-Double-Misty
Jul 21 2015 6:36PM
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Elg
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Mr.BishopFuck that... schrabs.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776566/Adam-Schrab--39-s-Double-Misty


Looks like he broke his ski.
Jul 21 2015 6:40PM
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TheHamburglar
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eheathMike Wilson did the first dub 10s for sure.




https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776568/Mike-Wilson-Double-Cork-1080

**This post was edited on Jul 21st 2015 at 7:08:56pm
Jul 21 2015 6:48PM
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Holte
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I'd say a Risky Flip is just as close to a dub cork 10 as a Wilson Flip, and Rick Wroblewski was doing them in 2001 or 2002. At least a couple years before Mike Wilson at the US Open.
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SofaKingSick
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Mr.BishopFuck that... schrabs.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776566/Adam-Schrab--39-s-Double-Misty


god i hate that liberty ad. im on fast comp/fast connection and it's never played without a buffering pause (god life is tough huh?)


anyway, yeah schrabs did double misties, no dub corks that i know of

so yeah, mike wilson did the dub 10 in ~2004/5, but they didn't really take off until jon olsson started doing kangaroos and then dub 10s a few years later

BUT it's worth noting that a basically identical trick, the risky flip, aka dspin 7 to backy, was thrown by rick robloski (almost certainly didnt get his last name right) around 99 or 2000. it was thrown more straight up but it is definitely the dub 10 of that cycle of skiing trends. after that for a few years dubs were "circus tricks."

check out the risky flip at ~6:10 in this video. it's a re edit of kris ostness's 3 Wind Up Films movies and you should watch the whole thing because it is amazing

https://vimeo.com/15907608
Jul 21 2015 6:52PM
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Holte
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HolteI'd say a Risky Flip is just as close to a dub cork 10 as a Wilson Flip, and Rick Wroblewski was doing them in 2001 or 2002. At least a couple years before Mike Wilson at the US Open.


And now, a more exciting post with a video:

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776567/Risky-flip
Jul 21 2015 6:54PM
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eheath
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Mr.BishopFuck that... schrabs.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776566/Adam-Schrab--39-s-Double-Misty


HolteAnd now, a more exciting post with a video:

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776567/Risky-flip


Okay okay... so we're going to get way too deep here on the cork vs flip discussion, but IMO these arent "dub corks" they're flips.

Schrabs didnt land that shit either BUT he did try first.

The risky flip is that, a flip, im going to establish my opinion here once again, its not a "dub cork"

OP said first dub cork, so I still go with mike wilson

TheHamburglarhttps://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776568/Mike-Wilson-Double-Cork-1080


not his first one ever, but they always looked like this, he had that axis on lock years before anyone else even thought about trying it.

**This post was edited on Jul 21st 2015 at 7:09:16pm
Jul 21 2015 7:08PM
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Mr.Bishop
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eheathOkay okay... so we're going to get way too deep here on the cork vs flip discussion, but IMO these arent "dub corks" they're flips.

Schrabs didnt land that shit either BUT he did try first.

The risky flip is that, a flip, im going to establish my opinion here once again, its not a "dub cork"

OP said first dub cork, so I still go with mike wilson



not his first one ever, but they always looked like this, he had that axis on lock years before anyone else even thought about trying it.

**This post was edited on Jul 21st 2015 at 7:09:16pm


Oh man.... Well if you're going to do that then its time to go deep.

The only way you can differentiate between flips and corks in my mind is if you count straight up aerials as flips, and basically anything else as cork-ish type behavior. If you go back to aerials, then the first dub flip was done eons ago.

Now this is a double flip -

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776589/Jonny-Moseley-does-triple-twisting-triple-back-flip

Schrabs were insanely early, and sure it isn't the definition of a cork by today's standards, but nothing that early is. There is no way you can equate that their axis was akin to aerials like shown above - so henceforth I decree that they did the first thing close-ish to the modern double cork. Its a lot closer to a cork than it is to a straight up flip as demonstrated by Mr.Mosely.
Jul 21 2015 9:33PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Titsandwich11god i hate that liberty ad. im on fast comp/fast connection and it's never played without a buffering pause (god life is tough huh?)


anyway, yeah schrabs did double misties, no dub corks that i know of

so yeah, mike wilson did the dub 10 in ~2004/5, but they didn't really take off until jon olsson started doing kangaroos and then dub 10s a few years later

BUT it's worth noting that a basically identical trick, the risky flip, aka dspin 7 to backy, was thrown by rick robloski (almost certainly didnt get his last name right) around 99 or 2000. it was thrown more straight up but it is definitely the dub 10 of that cycle of skiing trends. after that for a few years dubs were "circus tricks."

check out the risky flip at ~6:10 in this video. it's a re edit of kris ostness's 3 Wind Up Films movies and you should watch the whole thing because it is amazing

https://vimeo.com/15907608


I actually don't know the date of the double misty... but its a good point to bring up the risky flip. I would say that is just as corked as many of the doubles today. If we're going to start getting harsh on cork vs. flip - we'd have to really examine the modern double and start discounting tonnes of them for being too flippy.

Without dates on the Schrab misty, I have no data to debate. If someone knows it then fantastic.

I've also asked the Schrab brothers to chime in, we'll see if they do.
Jul 21 2015 9:55PM
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SofaKingSick
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Mr.BishopI actually don't know the date of the double misty... but its a good point to bring up the risky flip. I would say that is just as corked as many of the doubles today. If we're going to start getting harsh on cork vs. flip - we'd have to really examine the modern double and start discounting tonnes of them for being too flippy.

Without dates on the Schrab misty, I have no data to debate. If someone knows it then fantastic.

I've also asked the Schrab brothers to chime in, we'll see if they do.


yeah i def agree. i understand what eheath is saying but that distinction seems silly to me. it's honestly an almost identical trick, the nuts and bolts of it at least, but thrown a few degrees more upright. and like you said, plenty nowadays are pretty flippy, certainly inverted..

good move on asking the schrab brothers to chime in, that's a great idea. idk what year it was either but my guess would be 2001ish. i heard he rode away but broke both skis. pretty BA, even though he didn't get much credit for it
Jul 22 2015 10:59AM
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CUSHKOMA
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Damn I had no idea that Mosley did aerials too, badass!
Jul 22 2015 12:15PM
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GayWolf420
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TheHamburglarhttps://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776568/Mike-Wilson-Double-Cork-1080

**This post was edited on Jul 21st 2015 at 7:08:56pm


this has to be one of the greatest shots in all of skiing history. dub cork over the pipe at snowbird waaay before people were even considering doing shit like this. absolutely unreal.
Jul 22 2015 5:51PM
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jensen
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eheathOkay okay... so we're going to get way too deep here on the cork vs flip discussion, but IMO these arent "dub corks" they're flips.

Schrabs didnt land that shit either BUT he did try first.

The risky flip is that, a flip, im going to establish my opinion here once again, its not a "dub cork"

OP said first dub cork, so I still go with mike wilson
**This post was edited on Jul 21st 2015 at 7:09:16pm


If you wanna go down this road....Wilson's dub is a flip too. It is basically just a double underflip.

I give credit to the Rick Wrabowlski (sp?) and the Schrabs for really doing to first newschoolish type of doubles. It was a good point that someone brought up that they were kind of considered circus tricks back then.

I was standing up by the drop at the US Open big air where Wilson through his double and it is was FUCKING INSANE. Everyone was coming out of the gate and sliding 10 or so feet down the hill and taking carves into the jump. Wilson gets a whip out of the gate and sits on his tails into the jump and absolutely blew everyone's mind. I was watching it going this dude is going to die. That was probably the first "cool" double.

Then Jon started doing Kangs and it caught on like hot fire.
Jul 22 2015 6:49PM
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eheath
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jensenIf you wanna go down this road....Wilson's dub is a flip too. It is basically just a double underflip.


What are you talking about? He does a double cork 10 just like everyone does in modern skiing, but in 2006...
Jul 22 2015 6:51PM
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Download-My-Apps
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HolteAnd now, a more exciting post with a video:

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776567/Risky-flip


I remember watching that flip in 2003 and I couldn't comprehend how it was possible, even thought it was out of control. Now it looks so normal, really puts how much the sport has changed into perspective
Jul 22 2015 6:53PM
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jensen
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eheathWhat are you talking about? He does a double cork 10 just like everyone does in modern skiing, but in 2006...


Looking at the video from Teddy Bear Crisis, that does look more dub 10. I didn't watch the video before posting. I remember watching the US Open in person way back when and everyone was basically calling it a dub underflip. I still see it in my head as dub under. Someone should post the US Open footage if they can find it.

I would agree though that Wilson's dub 10 in TBC (maybe USO, not sure) looks to be the first true dub 10.
Jul 22 2015 7:15PM
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eheath
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jensenLooking at the video from Teddy Bear Crisis, that does look more dub 10. I didn't watch the video before posting. I remember watching the US Open in person way back when and everyone was basically calling it a dub underflip. I still see it in my head as dub under. Someone should post the US Open footage if they can find it.

I would agree though that Wilson's dub 10 in TBC (maybe USO, not sure) looks to be the first true dub 10.


Yeah, that one in TBC was not the first one he did, he did do other dub flips but he did that dub cork 10 at least two years before the tbc video.
Jul 22 2015 7:20PM
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auski
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Wilson's is a dub underflip. It's no more corked than the risky flip. In fact that risky flip looks like he starts the 2nd flip well before completing the d spin meaning the second 'flip' is more than just a backy. Unreal for the time!!
Jul 22 2015 7:20PM
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jensen
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jensenSomeone should post the US Open footage if they can find it.


Found it... @2:52... I'm calling that a flip

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776726/v11-us-open-2004

**This post was edited on Jul 22nd 2015 at 8:59:50pm
Jul 22 2015 7:33PM
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Holte
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I believe Mike Wilson referred to a Wilson Flip as underflip to sw flat 540.

If we're gonna get real ski trick nerdy, and go back to a time when corked meant not-inverted, then I'd put Jacob Wester and Mike Clarke in the running for the first dub corks. Seems like PK had a very early specifically "double cork" rotation too - the one he tossed at every comp the season he lost at X to Dumont's dub front.
Jul 22 2015 7:36PM
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SofaKingSick
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eheathYeah, that one in TBC was not the first one he did, he did do other dub flips but he did that dub cork 10 at least two years before the tbc video.


not to nitpick, but the one in tbc is in spring 2005, and he did his first one at us open 2004, so about a year later. and as you can see in the video, the US open one was definitely more flippy than corky. and the only other one i remember of his is the one he crashes on a BC jump in TBC, which is also really flippy

HolteI believe Mike Wilson referred to a Wilson Flip as underflip to sw flat 540.

If we're gonna get real ski trick nerdy, and go back to a time when corked meant not-inverted, then I'd put Jacob Wester and Mike Clarke in the running for the first dub corks. Seems like PK had a very early specifically "double cork" rotation too - the one he tossed at every comp the season he lost at X to Dumont's dub front.


yeah i don't like nitpicking the definitions much but i definitely appreciated those as being a turning point

hunder's sw dub wobble 12 thing was so dope (can't readily find a video). and clarke's was the first really smooth dub i remember seeing (at 0:17 or so)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G98j3PjNbn0
Jul 23 2015 11:30AM
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nickmiles
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How has no one said PK? Wilson, Jon, Schrab... they all went twice pretty early on, but if you ask me, PK was doing like Late cork/double wobble/kinda-sorta-upright 10's and switch 12's since before Dumont was winning text voting big air at the X games with the superman double front. The debate about who did it "first" will go on forever. I remember Pk as being the first person to make it look smooth and stylish.... to me, that's whats most important.
Jul 23 2015 11:39AM
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nickmiles
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How has no one said PK? Wilson, Jon, Schrab... they all went twice pretty early on, but if you ask me, PK was doing like Late cork/double wobble/kinda-sorta-upright 10's and switch 12's since before Dumont was winning text voting big air at the X games with the superman double front. The debate about who did it "first" will go on forever. I remember Pk as being the first person to make it look smooth and stylish.... to me, that's whats most important.
Jul 23 2015 11:39AM
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broto
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DeebieSkeebiesthis has to be one of the greatest shots in all of skiing history. dub cork over the pipe at snowbird waaay before people were even considering doing shit like this. absolutely unreal.


just look at how high he is above the bottom of the pipe... insane
Jul 23 2015 1:08PM
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scratchskier321
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the double wobble... someone in the group of mike clarke, jacob wester, and PK Hunder. I don't remember which...
Jul 23 2015 1:34PM
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danbrown
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mike clarke did the dopest dub 12 at nippon open back in like 07 or 08!!!
Jul 23 2015 2:13PM
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eheath
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danbrownmike clarke did the dopest dub 12 at nippon open back in like 07 or 08!!!


Tru!
Jul 23 2015 2:27PM
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SofaKingSick
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danbrownmike clarke did the dopest dub 12 at nippon open back in like 07 or 08!!!


i posted that above but messed up the embed

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776834/Clarke-Nippon-Freeskiing-Open-Run---39-08
Jul 23 2015 2:56PM
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GayWolf420
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brotojust look at how high he is above the bottom of the pipe... insane


First pass through of TBC, i think i rewinded and played this one over and over.


Why dont pipe gaps happen anymore? Someone needs to gap PC'S
Jul 23 2015 3:07PM
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PoLaRpEaK
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DeebieSkeebiesFirst pass through of TBC, i think i rewinded and played this one over and over.


Why dont pipe gaps happen anymore? Someone needs to gap PC'S


Because pipes are like 3 times the size now.
Jul 23 2015 3:37PM
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eheath
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DeebieSkeebiesFirst pass through of TBC, i think i rewinded and played this one over and over.


Why dont pipe gaps happen anymore? Someone needs to gap PC'S


PoLaRpEaKBecause pipes are like 3 times the size now.


3 times is a bit ridiculous, PCs pipe would be perfect to gap, huge inrun, its burried like 5-6 fee down, its completely doable, build up a landing and you're set. But, PC barely does any park shoots anymore and never does stuff after the season is over.
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codizzle
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Mr.BishopFuck that... schrabs.

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776566/Adam-Schrab--39-s-Double-Misty


yes, sir. this is it. Adam Schrab.

but you could also say Toben Southerland was doing double corks when he did his flare-to-front-flips in the quarterpipe.
here:
Jul 23 2015 4:06PM
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codizzle
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don't forget Toben Sutherland's flare-to-front in the QP:

https://www.newschoolers.com/watch/48078.5/venus-flytrap-2000

**This post was edited on Jul 23rd 2015 at 4:27:31pm
Jul 23 2015 4:09PM
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broto
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eheath3 times is a bit ridiculous, PCs pipe would be perfect to gap, huge inrun, its burried like 5-6 fee down, its completely doable, build up a landing and you're set. But, PC barely does any park shoots anymore and never does stuff after the season is over.


plus with vail running the ship now... yeah good luck
Jul 23 2015 4:11PM
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Mr.Bishop
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codizzledon't forget Toben Sutherland's flare-to-front in the QP:

https://www.newschoolers.com/watch/48078.5/venus-flytrap-2000

**This post was edited on Jul 23rd 2015 at 4:27:31pm


Now that I would argue in no way could be considered a double cork. No part of that was corked at all. So I'd put this in the aerials category, which had doubles a very long time ago.
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Mr.BishopNow that I would argue in no way could be considered a double cork. No part of that was corked at all. So I'd put this in the aerials category, which had doubles a very long time ago.


The Venus Flytrap!
Jul 23 2015 4:45PM
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joly.sp
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Ian Cosco did that backcountry dub 12 in one of the older rage movies, I feel like that was quite a while ago now.
Jul 23 2015 7:29PM
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jpastor
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Mike Clarke def didn't do the first double cork, but I remember when they first started to arrive on the scene around 06 to 08.

I used to go to the summer water ramps up in Lake Placid and I remember vividly this one goofy
dude would always jump right after me in line. Sending the largest whacked out trick I ever scene. A few years later I realized it was Mike Clarke Practicing his dub cork 10 / 12. Crazy
Jul 23 2015 7:36PM
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Mr.Bishop
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schmiesThe Venus Flytrap!


Do you call the venus flytrap a cork?
Jul 23 2015 8:50PM
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Rusticles
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DeebieSkeebiesthis has to be one of the greatest shots in all of skiing history. dub cork over the pipe at snowbird waaay before people were even considering doing shit like this. absolutely unreal.


This, So far ahead if its time. Wilson was and still is a complete badass. Seems he gets overlooked at times for being one of the greats in our sport.
Jul 24 2015 9:32AM
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auski
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AND WE STILL HAVENT SEEN WILSONS GOD DAMN CHADS FOOTAGE PROPERLY!!!
Jul 24 2015 11:29AM
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SofaKingSick
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auskiAND WE STILL HAVENT SEEN WILSONS GOD DAMN CHADS FOOTAGE PROPERLY!!!


dude good call. same with olsson's chad's footage. all ive ever seen is the one clip of his sw misty 9 that looked like he was going to land it. id love to see all the raw clips
Jul 24 2015 12:02PM
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elinde
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I think we need to recall the original definition of a cork. It is a backwards set off axis spin where feet should not ever go above your head. Schrabs is a dub misty, risky flip is a d-spin to backflip. Thinking about what corks actually are, I would say that Wilson was definitely the closest as he set basically what we would call to day a 5 to 5 dub 10. It's borderline under flippy but looking at the video he is never really upside down. Dub 10 in my book
Jul 24 2015 12:43PM
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Mike.Records
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Titsandwich11i posted that above but messed up the embed

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776834/Clarke-Nippon-Freeskiing-Open-Run---39-08


So so so sick. Love the pole plant and the carve off the lip. Also, the second rotation is a true cork, not the underflip 5 that so many pros do in their dub twelves now.
Jul 24 2015 1:27PM
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GayWolf420
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eheath3 times is a bit ridiculous, PCs pipe would be perfect to gap, huge inrun, its burried like 5-6 fee down, its completely doable, build up a landing and you're set. But, PC barely does any park shoots anymore and never does stuff after the season is over.


that eagle chair right next to the pipe might cause some issues, but god damn this would be cool to see.
Jul 24 2015 2:14PM
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HolteI'd say a Risky Flip is just as close to a dub cork 10 as a Wilson Flip, and Rick Wroblewski was doing them in 2001 or 2002. At least a couple years before Mike Wilson at the US Open.


I'd say that you are completely wrong and don't understand what you are talking about.
Jul 28 2015 1:22AM
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Sngl2th
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auskiWilson's is a dub underflip. It's no more corked than the risky flip. In fact that risky flip looks like he starts the 2nd flip well before completing the d spin meaning the second 'flip' is more than just a backy. Unreal for the time!!


You also clearly don't understand how a cork works. The risky flip is basically a back full to back flip or a back 180 to front 180. Either way there is nothing remotely 1080 about it.

As I have discussed at length elsewhere, an underflip is just a really inverted 5 or a tucked up backflip 180, which is nothing like what Wilson does. Get the fuck out.

ALSO, why does this question keep coming up?? EVERY FOOL KNOWS THAT WILSON THREW THE FIRST MODERN DUB CORK. let us never discuss it again.

Schrab, Wroblewski (sp), etc, that's all just aerials leftovers. Yeah maybe you get a bit off-axis accidentally. I've have so many annoying 50 year olds claim they were doing corks back in the 70's, but it simply wasn't the same.
Jul 28 2015 1:32AM
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auski
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You're obviously very passionate about this and I'm not going to change your mind but I disagree and you're wrong

The double misty as a concept is pretty far removed from aerials too. Hardly a 'leftover'
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