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the other day i was thinking about what kind of core i would have if i owned a ski company, and it dawneds on me that i could use a titanium frame to keep the ski rigid, and then fill the spaces in with foam, and today i was browsing the DB website and saw that they have the same idea but with carbon fiber instead of titanium, my question to you is do you atomaticly assume a ski sucks because it has foam even if it has nothing to do with structural strength
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Jan 8 2005 5:20PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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Yeah salomon (spaceframe) skis get their rigidity and strength from their frame not their core and everyone always says 'SALOMON SKIS SUCK THEY HAVE A FOAM CORE LOLOLOL' fucking retards know nothing about skis


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Jan 8 2005 5:23PM
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hendrik.
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indeed,,,they all base their opinions off of the ooooold 1080s its seems (prespaceframe) without even giving the new ones a chance...its a shame..
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Jan 8 2005 5:31PM
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whats salomons spaceframe made of? carbon fiber?
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Jan 8 2005 7:46PM
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Still, the frame obviously isn't cutting it because they still turn to noddles, regardless of whether its the foam or the frame.
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Jan 8 2005 7:49PM
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monkeysteez
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Wood holds camber better and longer than any other core material. Salomon doesn't use wood because its expensive, while liquid foam is very cheap. Basically what you buy when you buy a 1080, 720, or PR is a hallow ski injected with liquid foam that dries. This same foam is used in clothing, teddy bears, household insulation, and the same material used for bike helmets! Other companies use Maple or Aspen Macroblock Cores for their strength, durability and lightness. How could a condensed form of your bike helmet POSSIBLY be as strong as ANY wood core on the market?

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Jan 8 2005 7:57PM
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^carbon fiber cores are much more durable, wood cores fatigue and warp overtime, carbon fiber stays stiff and snappy season after season
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Jan 8 2005 8:04PM
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Isn't Macroblock only Line's gig?
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Jan 8 2005 8:04PM
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i think it is^
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Jan 8 2005 8:10PM
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monkeysteez
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Yea its lines thing go to their site. I think line currently has the best cores on the market. The shape of the frame of Salomons skis is supposed to control torsion. If you look at PRs for example in the middle of the ski the topsheet is lifted, this is supposed to control torsion. hey say that a flat ski has uncontrolled torsion. I find it hard to believe that every other ski on the market has 'uncontrolled torsion' and that torsion can be controlled by changing the shape of the tosheet of a ski. I doubt Carbon Fiber can hold camber like wood can, take a Carbon Fiber pole and flex it, then try to hold that flex for a long period of time, hard eh. Then try the same with a good quality piece of Aspen, a lot easier. I think you understand what i am trying to say.

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Jan 8 2005 8:32PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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Yeah you're right, with all the technology we have today a piece of wood must be the best. Have you ever even ridden a Pocketrocket? I've tried plenty of skis that are way more noodley than a pocketrocket. And yes they had wooden cores.


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Jan 8 2005 8:35PM
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FUUUCK
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monkey steez- its not the actual foam that needs to be durable, its the frame, the foam just fills in the spaces
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Jan 8 2005 8:35PM
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monkeysteez
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Then what is the frame mad eof that makes it so strong?

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Jan 8 2005 8:52PM
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Bangor
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well, my 6 year old salomon foam core verse7's are noodles. which is why they're my rail skis now.
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Jan 8 2005 8:54PM
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foam can rot easially and then you have a hollow ski
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Jan 8 2005 8:55PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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All I know is I saw Jamie Pierre the other day up on the hill and he has the pocketrockets from two seasons ago still. The same ones he's dropped 150+ footers with and they are still kicking so I wouldn't worry about their durability.


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Jan 8 2005 9:00PM
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^^^^thats my question
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dynarider u better shut ur mouth before i get someone to kick the shit outa u. i got ppl in ur town(ny) that would fuck u up as soon as a call em.

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Jan 8 2005 9:15PM
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monkeysteez
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This is off topic but, why whould you buy from Salomon anyway, of all the money you put into them only a tiny fraction is going back to the freeskiing indursty (the other part is going into the making of Race skis and stuff nobody on here likes). If you buy from Armada, Line, 4FRNT, or Liberty 100% of that money goes back to freeskiing.

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Jan 8 2005 9:15PM
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im not buying salomon....
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dynarider u better shut ur mouth before i get someone to kick the shit outa u. i got ppl in ur town(ny) that would fuck u up as soon as a call em.

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Jan 8 2005 9:20PM
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Ice-Is-Scary
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100% of the money goes back into freeskiing? No, most of it goes into some random guys pocket. I don't care whos pocket I'm filling. I trust large companies who dump a ton of money into R&D and have tried and tested products.


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Jan 8 2005 10:18PM
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whta you speak of already exist. its called a honeycomb core, and is made out of aluminum, or in most cases a polyurathane plastic. it acts very similar to a foam core, but MUCH lighter (foam weights only a little less than wood) they cutout and profile the material, lay a very lightwieght pre-preg fiberglasss sheet over the honeycombs (to keep them free of epoxy). from there on out, its built very similar to a regualar ski, but with more attention to the composites that act as a structre for the ski. Burton uses this construction in one of thier high end boards. the problem with the 1080 really isnt the fact that its foam, but that the composites are the same as every other ski. if it was built with carbonfiber wraps, it would provide much more intergity. however, because salomon builds the skis very similarly to most companies wood core skis, they suck.



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Jan 8 2005 10:44PM
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whoa, i just re read this post, and you kiddies dont exactly know what your talking about.


carbon fiber is WAY, WAY more resiliant to fatigue than wood. and you demonstrated it yourself. that ski pole is MADE to stayt stright like that, and no matter what you do (to a limit of course), its gonna stay stright. another pluss of carbon fiber, is that you can perfectly engineer where the energy is transfered, and how the fibers are aligned. wood has a ton of irregularities. a carbon core would have almost none.


now, the macroblock, thats not lines deal. all cores are built like that. wood has knots and shit in it, and those have no strenght. they are the weakest points, so ski cores are built out of high qualtiy wood that is selected to be knot free. the thin strips are then laminated together, side by side, forming a vertically laminated core. skis like the troublemaker use a simlar concept, but are built on a horizontal axis (similar to, but diefnatly not plywood). the wood is shave off the circumfrence of a log. these are good, and they both have advantages over the other, but an ideal wood core, would be a single, tight grain piece of wood. the epoxy used in building skis is one of the heaviest materials used, and a core with alot of laminates is noticalby heavier than one with fewer. lines cores are nice, but all cores are like that. so, there yah go!



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Jan 8 2005 10:55PM
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monkeysteez
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^carbon fiber might be more durable, but i never said nething about it being less durable, what i did say is that it does not want to hold a flex for a long period of time, u push down it immediatley pushes back at you, when you use wood it holds a flex and push's back when you pop. i have never been on a carbon fiber core ski but i think it might be somewhat similar to a carbon fiber pole that is y i made that post. if are you talking about memory carbon (a special type of carbon compound that 'remebers its shape' and will not bend) this stuff is amazing and will hold its camber as long as you want (i dont know if its ever been put in skis, but i dont think so) because as long as you push weight into it it will stay flexed, then as soon as you release it will go back to the original 'remebered shape' shape. This is made by creating the desired shape at room temp then heating (really really hot i dont remember ask the guys @ CU) then cooling it at around room temp. carbon fiber is nearly impossible to bend, it will just break after a certain amount of stress. The reason it is resiliant to bending is because it is made of thousands of carbon fibers that look like tiny threads or metal, these fibers can flex because they are so thin but will snap back immediatley because the threads around them pull them back straight (hard to explain). this is the same technology used on tenis raquets from head and other comanies (yes i do polay tennis that is y i kno this random and mostly useless shit)

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Jan 8 2005 11:47PM
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monkeysteez
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Oh yea Macroblock is only Lines thing, other companies might do similar things but Line is the only one calling it Macroblock.

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Jan 8 2005 11:49PM
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Damnit memory carbon is cooled in room temp WATER not air sorry

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yeah, they are the only ones CALLING it macroblock (i think). but its just like any other core kinda like with oakley.

OAKLEY O MAtter= plastic.

its just a fancy name for a v lam core



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titanium would be ill though
Jan 9 2005 12:13AM
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