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Key problems with tricks you had => tipps

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T-Van
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I quite often struggled with new tricks i wanted to learn on skis and after some time noticed that just some small faults i made were the reason i kept failing doing them.




Therefore i thought it would be helpful to have a thread with a collection of faults people made when learning tricks since i guess that many of us will have had the same issues.




So please post some tricks and your faults wich kept you from getting them down and how you managed to correct them.

Also, if you are having problems with an specific trick feel free to post an request in here





So i guess I'll just start off:

unnatural railslides=> spins off:
When trying to learn 2 pretz 2's and blindswap pretz 2's i had major struggles getting them arround.

After landing the swap or the 2 on I always tried to push my edge in to initiate the 2 out.
I pressed the ski as hard but nothing happened. I always just spun further in the same direction.

After many hours of trying to get them i tried looking over my shoulder more when spinning onto the rail or commiting the swap. I tried to spot my landing point as soon as possible and ended with a way safer stance on the rail.

Then I started looking at the start of the rail once i was standing safe on the rail again. Pushed my edge a bit down and they just started working out perfectly.


Till now I have always been struggling with cork 7's, I just seem to be able to do them on tiny jumps, on bigger jumps I always end up not getting corked, or just a bit. I set them with a very wide stance and kinda like I would on a tramp , just can't seem to get corked.
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Jul 18 2015 6:19AM
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Hoodliving
Posts: 1033 - Karma: 1,877
Blind 2 out left foot forward, always get to a sketchy 180 or 220. Could never get it around since I spin left it was fighting my natural way, finally taught myself that I was scissoring alright but I was looking up hill and not around my shoulder. Thrown a couple sketchy ones now. I think practicing right spins on jumps will help me more. Ive also got a weird mental block on doing switch right spins.
Jul 18 2015 11:14AM
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mhuddy_22
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I had a bit of trouble regarding landing very backseat while doing misty 7s.

After watching the video I realized that I was setting the spin to "flippy". To fix the problem of landing backseat I would eventually set the spin more like a bio and then punch across to my opposite foot to turn it into a misty 7 and in the end stomp it.
Jul 19 2015 1:06AM
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McLS
Posts: 1985 - Karma: 6,454
I had a hard time at first with blind 2s, I'd often bail out. Key tip, don't look at your skis (for any rail/box trick). Helps so goddam much. Vision is key to everything
Jul 19 2015 7:54AM
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Swandog7
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McLSI had a hard time at first with blind 2s, I'd often bail out. Key tip, don't look at your skis (for any rail/box trick). Helps so goddam much. Vision is key to everything


Did the exact same thing.
Jul 19 2015 1:20PM
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Will.Herring
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Here is a little tip that has helped me a lot with misty's. When throwing the trick, imagine you are punching a midget. It helps get the proper rotation around!
Jul 19 2015 9:53PM
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jibberty
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the best trick tip I can give for any rail trick, look at the end of the rail. I always had problems with rail combos because my switch ups weren't in the center of the rail. I started looking only at the end of the rail without thinking too much about the switch ups and my rail game has improved a lot.
Jul 19 2015 10:24PM
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shin-bang
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often time you see kids just kind of sliding rails, not actually locking onto them. one thing that helped me a lot last year is learning how to scissor and actually lock that rail down. theres a few tutorials out there to learn to scissor but basically i drop my back tip and raise my front tip (hence the gripping and scissoring of the rail)

switch ups
i got so frustrated when learning these cus i would get the 180 rotation but my back ski would lag and get caught on the rail or something. simple solution that helps almost everything. POP! i just tried popping as hard as i could and it helped so much to get it around and just made landing on the center of the rail a ton easier. then just spot the end of that rail un natural and ride away
Jul 19 2015 10:59PM
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david-alex
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When I first learned switch 2 on it was easy on flat rails/box but when it came to down rails or disasters I would always fall on the side. One day my friend gave me the tip to launch myself foward instead of just doing a regular switch spin. It helped a lot cause I would then land directly with the same angle of the rail instead of being leaned back.
Jul 20 2015 7:50AM
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Rusticles
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Switch spins above 3. couldn't figure it out till I went to a dive tank and practiced them off of the diving platforms, also helped get them super corked.

Rodeo's, learnt them circa 2001/2002 (fuck i'm old) by kinda hucking and figuring it out, never had them 100%. forgot them after learning new tricks, tried to re-learn, failed. I then figured out through tutorials to get get backflips dirtier and dirtier until they were flat's then added the 180 for rodeo-flatspin. (also cheated with an airbag)
Jul 20 2015 9:46AM
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kyledougherty11
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when i first started 2 ons i would always end up coming off early or just buttering to 3 on the rail. this was happening because my stance was not wide enough. after when i started going for 2 pretz 2s i could never even get 2 to switch. what i found helped me with this is pop the 2 on really high so you don't have as much momentum secondly keep a wide stance and what i round helps me is two look at the front of the rail because it helps me from keep spinning! i hope this helps
Jul 20 2015 9:46AM
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casey_cope
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2 pretz 2s. I learned them by looking at the back of the rail for the majority of the trick. If you learn them that way then you can start to look at the actual end of the rail but still get the 2 pretz 2 rotation,

Misty 4s out: try it on a feature where you have enough air time to do a misty 4 out
Jul 20 2015 12:52PM
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T-Van
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Cork 7's: I had a huge problem with cork 7's in the last season, i just wouldn't get corked no matter how hard i set the cork. Figured out that my stance was to wide wich kept me from getting corked. Kinda can so d spin 7's now , wich i wouldn't have ever been able to do before, except if i hucked them of really small jumps.
Aug 18 2015 2:06AM
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Swandog7
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stopping your rotation after a swap. I would sometimes lose sight of the rail to focus on the swap. Also my shoulder would keep turning so i would also go switch on a front swap and forward on a blind swap. Now i can slide some unity after a swap before doing basically whatever I want. Got my first Ellen today
Aug 18 2015 2:15AM
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.otto.
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I STRUGGLED for a long while with 2 sevs on to rails, I was always landing funny and back seat. I found out one day leaning forward and trying to pop of your toes, keeping your shins pressed against the tongues of your books helps alot
Aug 19 2015 2:17PM
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SofaKingSick
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spinning onto rails: consciously lift your KNEES

helped me, anyway
Aug 19 2015 2:40PM
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jdfreeski2
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dub 12
Aug 19 2015 4:13PM
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McLS
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Just got back from a week of rail shredding, one tip for y'all: whatver you're going for on the rail, blind sw up/ pretz sw up/safety grab; surface swap....do ot as soon as you're on, don't wait to feel if you're on good and if you're well enough balanced for the trick. Won't come oit as clean at first but you'll get the trick down MUCH faster. Srsly just huck it. Worse case scenario you'll probs just slip out. And for bigger spins on, really get those knees up and take it big


Oh and for beginners out there, rails and tubes slide so much better than boxes. Dont waste your time on boxes, just get comfy on rails.
Aug 21 2015 7:07PM
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Easy-E
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When it came to front and backside swaps I never utilized my shoulders to help me twist along with my feet. So my swaps usually just led to a butted rail. Now that I got them fixed it feels natural. Just gotta practice and have someone take some video when you are having a Shitty day so you can see what is going wrong
Aug 21 2015 8:09PM
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Mingg
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For switch spins I've found them much much much easier to do once I actually learned them right. I always spun early and would only pop with my trailing foot and pre spin with my leading foot. When I learned switch 2s on I caught my tail so many freaking times because I just slid off the end of the lip. So I tried to pop more but looking around your shoulder puts you in a pretty awkward position I think. My hips/shoulders weren't square and shit so I was always unbalanced in the air and could never get a solid pop. Even when I would get the 270 around I would slip out because of being unbalanced and stuff.

What I did to help this was wind up just a little bit. I spin right, so I brought my arms to my left and when I popped I was so much more balanced, and then the spin came around super easy.

I dont know if this is just me but I learned sw 3s before I learned regular 3s and I learned sw 2s on before reg 2s on. Once you get balanced and comfortable in your switch pops it's all so much easier I think.
Aug 22 2015 1:15AM
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trannyfinder.edu
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I always have trouble after a front/back swap and then trying to 2 out either way. Will use these tips to help. Sick thread/
Aug 23 2015 11:54PM
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jackdonovan
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For Kfeds and Brittany's, I used to always swap and then slide off to switch or forward, but when I began to turn my head and shoulders after the swap it helped get the continuing 2 out.
For Ellen's and Ray Charles, I used to slide off to forward and switch, but landing leaning into the rail helped let me dig my edges in and get the torsion needed for the pretzel 2.
Aug 24 2015 11:41AM
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270on420out
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Front swaps. I use to just do a weird shifty thing and only move my legs. Instead, you should move your whole body.
Also after you get a sway around, always make sure you have a wide stance, or else you'll slip out.

Sniper taps. I finally learned these the other day. I was just doing another weird shifty thing where i would just go ti switch 5050. Instead you should pop a little before the end and drop your toes, then go for the shifty.
Aug 24 2015 12:26PM
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jackdonovan
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jackdonovanFor Kfeds and Brittany's, I used to always swap and then slide off to switch or forward, but when I began to turn my head and shoulders after the swap it helped get the continuing 2 out.
For Ellen's and Ray Charles, I used to slide off to forward and switch, but landing leaning into the rail helped let me dig my edges in and get the torsion needed for the pretzel 2.


plus what thedirtybubble said, moving my whole body while swapping helped me
Aug 24 2015 1:01PM
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T-Van
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jackdonovanFor Kfeds and Brittany's, I used to always swap and then slide off to switch or forward, but when I began to turn my head and shoulders after the swap it helped get the continuing 2 out.
For Ellen's and Ray Charles, I used to slide off to forward and switch, but landing leaning into the rail helped let me dig my edges in and get the torsion needed for the pretzel 2.

What do you exactly mean by leaning into the rail? Like shifting your weight down?
Aug 24 2015 3:06PM
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jackdonovan
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T-VanWhat do you exactly mean by leaning into the rail? Like shifting your weight down?


getting lower and more aggressive, shifting center of gravity down, and trying to get my shoulders farther ahead
Aug 24 2015 3:19PM
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r.simp
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Big bump But I just got fs switchups down and to go with all the other tips I had to focus a lot on where I wanted to actually do the switchup and make sure to pop If I had made sure to focus and pop at the right time before I think I would have learned them quicker learning bs switchups first helped a lot with my commitment issues. I still haven't gotten kfeds on lock but once I do I'll make sure to add.
Sep 10 2015 5:49PM
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chicknfriedsteak
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Took me forever to land a 360, tell I realized I was leaning to far back, set your weight forward and you you'll be fine.
Sep 11 2015 11:23PM
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chicknfriedsteak
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McLSI had a hard time at first with blind 2s, I'd often bail out. Key tip, don't look at your skis (for any rail/box trick). Helps so goddam much. Vision is key to everything


Really apreciate this one, I've been struggling with blind rotations.
Sep 11 2015 11:24PM
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McLS
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chicknfriedsteakReally apreciate this one, I've been struggling with blind rotations.


yeah, for pretty much any rotation really try to not look at your skis at all, and to think about where you are in the air and look towards where you wanna be looking when you land (if that makes sense). Plus it looks better to look ahead rather than facing down.

For blind 2s at first, you might wanna try to throw them as if you're doing a blind switch up, often I'd find myself kinda pussying out of throwing it hard enough
Sep 13 2015 11:15AM
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Swandog7
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McLSyeah, for pretty much any rotation really try to not look at your skis at all, and to think about where you are in the air and look towards where you wanna be looking when you land (if that makes sense). Plus it looks better to look ahead rather than facing down.

For blind 2s at first, you might wanna try to throw them as if you're doing a blind switch up, often I'd find myself kinda pussying out of throwing it hard enough


Vision is key on every trick, whether its just going off switch, you always want to spot it. Look where you want to go/spin. I struggled with blind 2s a lot, it helps if you really open that up hill shoulder and bring it around your body along with your head
Sep 13 2015 10:14PM
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Ian_Fitz
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Over all tip... Get comfortable spinning both ways for any trick... It will make you a better skier in the long run!
Sep 13 2015 11:50PM
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