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YUNG_milksteAkhttps://www.newschoolers.com/membervideo/761030.0/Space-To-Yo-Face?s=223862&t=6&o=8#z9ugZweQOSOYHmjT.97
T-VanWould have to spin like shit after having completed 2/3 of the flip
Mr.noodleI feel like if you spin that hard it would turn into a bio
Mr.noodleI feel like if you spin that hard it would turn into a bio
Sngl2thWhich is just to point out that a misty and a bio are really the same goddamn trick, just done a little differently...
Just like d-spin and cork 7 are the same trick, something all of the idiot teens on this site have never understood.
Underflip and cork 5...you guessed it. They are the same trick.
Sngl2thit's all on a continuum, just like human sexuality.
Yung_Gnarleyok well let's see a misty 10 at least haha
Titsandwich11hmm, the one that came to mind was dumont in EDIAS but now that i look at it it's not really a misty, more a cork 10
at 1:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4qP4wXmKHQ
Sngl2thWhich is just to point out that a misty and a bio are really the same goddamn trick, just done a little differently...
Just like d-spin and cork 7 are the same trick, something all of the idiot teens on this site have never understood.
Underflip and cork 5...you guessed it. They are the same trick.
McLSA trick is defined by how it looks. Granted that some will invert corks and bios more than others, the average underflip is very distinctive from a cork 5...so is a cork 7 to a dspin or rodeo. Misty and bios, to be fair, very few can do very lightly inverted "proper" bios, so I guess you can call most misty. If people came up with these names it's for a reason, and if you can't see that those 2 tricks look fucking different, then there's nothing i can do for you.
@1:14 (Twall always inverts his corks quite a lot, and the tail grab makes it look more inverted too, but still, different trick from the underflip)
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776098/Tom-Wallisch-Cork-540-tail-trick-tip
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/776099/Ski-Trick--Underflip
Also, there is no such thing a underflip 5. an underflip is an underflip, you can take it to double and then it could become a dub underflip 5 (or more, but it would probably lean towards a rodeo in one of the flips). There are lincoln 5s, although I don't think I've ever seen one, but it would be on a different axis than a ro or underflip (more of a very inverted flat5)
Titsandwich11it's subjective/semantics. his point, that i agree with, is that there isn't enough difference between bio/misty, e.g., for it to be called something else entirely, it's just splitting hairs
i use those terms... but my opinion is that theyre dumb
and an underflip IS an underflip 5, really, you just dont ever say it because there's no reason. some people will call certain 7s an underflip 7, but im definitely not one of those people (IMO it'd just be a type of cork 7 or something)
and there's def no such thing as a dub underflip 5. that would denote some sort of double flip that only added up to 5 total which is nonsense obviously. you could call some things a dub underflip if you wanted, but it'd at least be a 9 (and in the opinion of people like me, would just be a dub cork 9-- dub underflip is just more descriptive)
McLSit just gets to me when someone can't see that there is obviously no 540° rotation in an underflip
Titsandwich11haha okay an undie is absolutely a 5. youre trying to talk down to me but you don't understand the most basic tenet of trick naming. the flip counts as a 360 and you add it to any spin you did. 90 + uphill lincoln (360) + 90 = 540*
i would have responded point by point because it's a lazy friday at work but it'd be more trouble than it's worth
no one's "calling a cork a fucking rodeo" here, we're only saying the difference between cork/dspin, misty/bio, and cork/underflip are trivial. this part's subjective and we can agree to disagree
yes, i can do most of the tricks discussed and the set is similar, sometimes the same. i learned undies by carving hard into a cork 5
re: the dubs we're back to the same problem you have with the single undie. ask anybody who knows what they're talking about-- there's no such thing as a dub underflip 3, the same way there's no underflip 1. this part is not a matter of opinion, so don't respond to me with some mental acrobatics, just ask someone who could be considered an authority on this
McLSThe confusion probably comes from rodeos and misty, were you do flip, but there is a 540 in both of them (for the original ros and misty). That certainly doesn't make an underflip a 540. I give up though, you're a lost cause.
McLSWhat the actual fuck. "The flip count as 360". xD can you not see the huge flaw in your reasoning here? I dunno how it is in the US, but the irony of you telling me that anyone who knows what's up would shut me up, is that I use to think an overfill and a misty were the same thing, and being lucky enough to ride at a french resort were quite a few park shoot happen (and knowing very well the guy who makes those shoot happen), I sometimes get to hang out with some pros (It's really sad that i have to tell you this story, I'm not into claiming any of this...) so long story short, I got shut up (not so nicely too) by a few riders of the french pipe pro team when talking about overflips and misty. This is were I learned (and got ridiculed at the same time) that no, a fucking underflip isn't a 540, that flips don't fucking count as a 360, because that makes no fucking sense at all. I don't go around saying that my backflips are fucking backflips 360 do I? The confusion probably comes from rodeos and misty, were you do flip, but there is a 540 in both of them (for the original ros and misty). That certainly doesn't make an underflip a 540. I give up though, you're a lost cause.
Sngl2th...And a D-spin is just a MOTHERFUCKING CORK 7, which is why I wish everyone would just STOP FUCKING SAYING D-SPIN. It is an outdated term.
SourSteezleI understand what you're saying, but you're actually wrong here. A rodeo 5, is basically a flip with a 180. A rodeo 9 is basically a flip with a 540 spin. People don't say backflip 360, but technically that would make complete sense. Instead we say double backflip, which is really a backflip 720, mind blowing right
SourSteezled-spin and cork's are two different tricks. and d-spins are super dope and should stay around forever
SourSteezleI understand what you're saying, but you're actually wrong here. A rodeo 5, is basically a flip with a 180. A rodeo 9 is basically a flip with a 540 spin. People don't say backflip 360, but technically that would make complete sense. Instead we say double backflip, which is really a backflip 720, mind blowing right
Sngl2thI started this. First off I did not say "Underflip 540"
Second, the French are not authorities on trick names. If they were talking about something like How to Surrender or How to Eat Snails, then I would listen to them, however...
My point is that all of these tricks are on a continuum, and are very closely related to each other:
Imagine you a line drawn on a piece of paper. At one end of the line is a backflip 180 and at the other end of the line is a pencil 540. Now imagine a trick that is between these two tricks, one which falls somewhere on the line. It could be really corked, so corked that it is almost indistinguishable from a 180 with a flip. Towards the other end of the scale, you have a slightly wobbled 540.
Now, people will call tricks different names at different points on the line different things. A very corked, almost upside-down 540, might be called an underflip. Also, one that is totally upside-down (like in the second video you posted) can also be called an underfip. (It could also be called a backflip 180; they are synonymous)
All these tricks are essentially similar, because they fall on the same line, or continuum. That was my original point.
Which brings me to a third point: Sometimes a flip is counted as a spin. Deal with it.
Vincent Dorian, who arguably did the first underflips on skis, was not completely upside-down. He was just very corked. If you've ever done this trick (and I have many times) it feel a lot like a (less inverted) cork 5. The difference is very small, and you might easily call Dorian's underflips a 540.
I can think of literally hundreds of examples of this throughout the history of freeskiing. Look at Candide's early D-spins. They were essentially a 360 to backflip. No one called them that, however. They are just called D-spins or D-spin 720s...
...And a D-spin is just a MOTHERFUCKING CORK 7, which is why I wish everyone would just STOP FUCKING SAYING D-SPIN. It is an outdated term.
I could go on. What everyone calls a misty 450 off rail is usually an "overflip," which everyone knows is just a sideways flip in a forward with a 90. Who cares? You can go crazy thinking about it.
In conclusion. Many thing in life are on a continuum. Most of what people call cork 3's nowadays are basically barrel rolls. It's just a cool, different 360.
SourSteezled-spin and cork's are two different tricks. and d-spins are super dope and should stay around forever
Sngl2thAnd I will say to anyone, show me a d-spin nose or a d-spin truck driver. You can't. It will look like a cork 7. Know why. BECAUSE IT'S A CORK 7
SourSteezleJust because you haven't seen one doesn't mean it's not possible. It'd look weird as hell, but you could put a nose or truck into a dspin 7. You realize a d-spin is just the opposite of how an inverted bio is a misty, right? Corks and spins are different tricks, ask dylan ferguson. he's one of the only riders I still see doing true d-spins
Sngl2thSo anyways, you can keep your continuum bullshit and approximate trick naming, I'll keep calling an underflip an underflip, and not a cork or a rodeo, because they are different. If they weren't people wouldn't be calling em that, and the names would never have stayed. And if someone does a barrel roll (or lincoln, same thing, different name) and calls it a cork 3, well he's fucking wrong. And I'd like to see a video of someone doing a legit lincoln and calling it a cork 3, don't think it exists.
YES. I'm really sad that you never see em around anymore, one of my favourite tricks.
I just mean that cork 3's and lincolns can be pretty close. Yes, I can see that it's a different trick.
However, I don't think you get that a "d-spin" is a 720. Just look at d-spin 9, like Candide used to do.
If a d-spin is a just totally inverted flip with a 360 (which is what you probably think it is), then guess what it is? A back full.
And I will say to anyone, show me a d-spin nose or a d-spin truck driver. You can't. It will look like a cork 7. Know why. BECAUSE IT'S A CORK 7
McLSDid i say it was a a totally inverted flip? no, I didn't. but it's a MUCH more inverted flip than a fucking cork. And your grab bs doesn't make sense. Cork 7 with a tail looks very different from dspin with a tail. ffs already
Sngl2thYou are probably one of those kids on this site who is always like, "his head went below his feet, so it's not a cork." No one does d-spins anymore other than 13-year-olds who fuck up trying to cork 7, and mogul skiers.
McLSnah, I can't be fucked to rant about people who get the trick name wrong, and tbh, if you're trying to cork, and it ends up being more inverted than it should, call it a cork, it's what you were going for anyways.
It's a shame no one does them anymore, i'll agree that a cork feels much more flowy than a dspin, but I prefer the look of the dspin.
McLSnah, I can't be fucked to rant about people who get the trick name wrong, and tbh, if you're trying to cork, and it ends up being more inverted than it should, call it a cork, it's what you were going for anyways.
It's a shame no one does them anymore, i'll agree that a cork feels much more flowy than a dspin, but I prefer the look of the dspin.
Yung_Gnarleylet's see em!
McLSYou'll agree that a 360 is a on axis rotation, completing a full "circle", which is why it's called fucking 360°. How can you possibly think that a backflip, a rotation where you go upside down on the x axis and revert fully could be called a 360°? Unless you're changing the axis, and then a fucking 360 would be called a backflip....and no, a double backflip can never be a backflip 720, what the hell are you on dude
McLSWhat the actual fuck. "The flip count as 360". xD can you not see the huge flaw in your reasoning here? I dunno how it is in the US, but the irony of you telling me that anyone who knows what's up would shut me up, is that I use to think an overfill and a misty were the same thing, and being lucky enough to ride at a french resort were quite a few park shoot happen (and knowing very well the guy who makes those shoot happen), I sometimes get to hang out with some pros (It's really sad that i have to tell you this story, I'm not into claiming any of this...) so long story short, I got shut up (not so nicely too) by a few riders of the french pipe pro team when talking about overflips and misty. This is were I learned (and got ridiculed at the same time) that no, a fucking underflip isn't a 540, that flips don't fucking count as a 360, because that makes no fucking sense at all. I don't go around saying that my backflips are fucking backflips 360 do I? The confusion probably comes from rodeos and misty, were you do flip, but there is a 540 in both of them (for the original ros and misty). That certainly doesn't make an underflip a 540. I give up though, you're a lost cause.
ElgI don't understand how you don't get this? A 360 spin is a 360 degree rotation around a vertical axis. A backflip is a 360 degree spin around a horisontal axis.
McLSSo how the fuck do we keep count to the amount of spins on horizontal axis if you add up the ones on vertical axis.....
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