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theBearJew
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So MTV is making a show called White People. It is lead by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jose Antonio Vargas. White People tackles the hot topic conversation of white privilege.

The doc premieres on July 22 on MTV and follows five young white people from around the country, exploring their notions of racial identity in modern America.

Here is the trailer,

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/775342/White-People---Official-Trailer---MTV

Apparently this isn't racist, here is why according to MTV.

“If you hear these ideas out, do a little reflecting and take some time to hear the stories of people who encounter racism every day, you may start to see that talking about privilege helps everyone take steps toward a better future,” Speller advised.

She explained racism is “not necessarily a thing you do, it’s a system you’re born into. …Sure, people of color can be prejudiced against white people, but it’s not the same thing as racism…”

She elaborated: “You might’ve had a hard life – but if you’re white, your race is not one of the things that influenced your hardships … Talking about privilege just helps put a name to the problems that could otherwise fly under the radar because most privileged people don’t even notice that their privileges exist.”
Jul 9 2015 9:10PM
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CaptainObvious.
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The saddest part of all this is that the show won't go on the air because it is or isn't a valid and important topic in our society.

It will air and continue because it stirs shit up and MTV wants viewers. Haters or lovers.
Jul 9 2015 9:21PM
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robbinJAHood
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I saw a commercial for this and it made me feel something right away. I think it's a good thing that someone is addressing this. They are completely right - it's an awkward thing to talk about so no one does. It's so easy to step on people's toes, and why?
Jul 9 2015 9:44PM
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.FRY.
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I just reported you to the mods
Jul 9 2015 10:36PM
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.CJ.
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That looks pretty interesting, I may or may not watch that.
Jul 9 2015 10:44PM
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Olimar
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I fucking hate this decade.
Jul 9 2015 11:25PM
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CAN SOMEONE SAY EXPLOITING A CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT FOR MONEY???
Jul 9 2015 11:48PM
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Mingg
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theBearJewSure, people of color can be prejudiced against white people, but it’s not the same thing as racism…


Um what...
Being prejudiced against someone based solely on their race and being racist are the exact same fucking things ya dipshit.
Jul 10 2015 12:08AM
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Spagett+
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"Wow I used to be racist and I refused to address my white privilege, but then I saw this show on MTV and it changed my life" - All KKK members
Jul 10 2015 12:15AM
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S.J.W
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.FryI just reported you to the mods


Thug life

Jul 10 2015 12:17AM
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Spagett+
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S.J.WThug life



WHO IS THIS HANDSOME BOY IN THIS STUNNING GREEN SHIRT!?!

S.J.W THANK U FOR POSTING THIS PICTURE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL BOY!!
Jul 10 2015 12:24AM
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.FRY.
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S.J.WThug life


the butt hurt is real
Jul 10 2015 12:32AM
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Chubz.
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Spagett+WHO IS THIS HANDSOME BOY IN THIS STUNNING GREEN SHIRT!?!

S.J.W THANK U FOR POSTING THIS PICTURE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL BOY!!

Srsly what qt
Jul 10 2015 12:33AM
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theabortionator
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CaptainObvious.The saddest part of all this is that the show won't go on the air because it is or isn't a valid and important topic in our society.

It will air and continue because it stirs shit up and MTV wants viewers. Haters or lovers.


Pretty much this. Came back to my parents and my mom had the news on and they talked about it. Like come on, find better news.

I don't care
Jul 10 2015 1:09AM
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Spagett+
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Lol the comment section on that video is so awesome though. Definitely the best part.


"If white people are so bad, why does everyone want to live in our countries?"

"White People built the greatest country in the world. You came here to mooch off of us and now you want to demonize us?"

"not all white people are racist and i believe more african Americans are racist than white people, whites are the minority now. White people dont have a tv channel if we did all hell would break lose but black people get BET like cmon thats fuckin double standard"
Jul 10 2015 1:16AM
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miroz
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MinggUm what...
Being prejudiced against someone based solely on their race and being racist are the exact same fucking things ya dipshit.


Hopefully you're talking about the woman he was quoting...otherwise, your anger is misplaced.

I think the show sounds interesting, but I don't own a TV so I undoubtedly won't watch it. I'm interested in hearing people's reactions, though. I'm sure if it's good it'll stir up some sort of buzz. I'd rather see MTV "exploit" a controversial issue in a positive, constructive way than air Jersey Shore 12.
Jul 10 2015 3:40AM
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theBearJew
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MinggUm what...
Being prejudiced against someone based solely on their race and being racist are the exact same fucking things ya dipshit.


Just to be clear, that is what MTV says.


I would be much more inclined to support a show called "People" that just talked to a large group of diverse individuals and discussed the things that are being discussed. It would show that some black people have it pretty good, some dont. Some white people have it good, some dont. Some Latinos have it good, some dont. A show that isn't just targeting one race would be much more accepted and probably do some good to open some peoples eyes.

Compared to our parents and grandparents, our generation is probably the least racist and most accepting of things. I think that shows like this and movements like white privileged which target white people are actually going to make people who were never racist, racist. All this shit does is divide us.
Jul 10 2015 8:29AM
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Mingg
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theBearJewJust to be clear, that is what MTV says.


Oh I know! I was calling them the dipshit haha not you. You're not a dipshit lol
Jul 10 2015 8:47AM
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ghosthop
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For people that spend so much time on the internet, some of you really have no clue.

The whole idea of white privilege is that someone born into a stable family unit that's bringing in a livable wage is always going to have a better chance at succeeding vs someone born into a dysfunctional family that can barely scrape by. Duh. The basic premise was identified over 50 years ago as a major social issue in the United States. You can argue solutions but there is no denying that the phenomenon exists and hasn't gotten any better.



And is anyone really shocked that MTV created a controversial show for viewership?
Jul 10 2015 6:20PM
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theBearJew
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ghosthopFor people that spend so much time on the internet, some of you really have no clue.

The whole idea of white privilege is that someone born into a stable family unit that's bringing in a livable wage is always going to have a better chance at succeeding vs someone born into a dysfunctional family that can barely scrape by. Duh. The basic premise was identified over 50 years ago as a major social issue in the United States. You can argue solutions but there is no denying that the phenomenon exists and hasn't gotten any better.



And is anyone really shocked that MTV created a controversial show for viewership?


Your explanation of white privilege has doesnt say anything about race. Black or white you have an advantage if you're born into a stable family as opposed to a dysfunctional one or born out of wedlock.
Jul 10 2015 6:55PM
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FBGM
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They're separating white people from all other races. That's what keeps racism alive...just acknowledging that there's even a difference. There's not a difference. So yes, this is racist. Also, "White People" ?? cool title MTV.
Jul 10 2015 7:47PM
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DrZoidberg
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FBGMThey're separating white people from all other races. That's what keeps racism alive...just acknowledging that there's even a difference. There's not a difference. So yes, this is racist. Also, "White People" ?? cool title MTV.


This is what I keep telling people. Everybody wants to end racism or whatever. But those people are usually the first to cling to racial titles and groups or even mention race. If you really want it to end stop bringing it up

Also, what, am I supposed to be sorry that I was born into a white middle class family? Yeah, sorry, I had tons to do with that. If I was black, gender aside cause that's a different story all together, I'd have grad schools throwing money at me and begging for me to come so they could claim diversity. That's privilege.
Jul 10 2015 9:01PM
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FBGM
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DrZoidbergThis is what I keep telling people. Everybody wants to end racism or whatever. But those people are usually the first to cling to racial titles and groups or even mention race. If you really want it to end stop bringing it up

Also, what, am I supposed to be sorry that I was born into a white middle class family? Yeah, sorry, I had tons to do with that. If I was black, gender aside cause that's a different story all together, I'd have grad schools throwing money at me and begging for me to come so they could claim diversity. That's privilege.


yeah totally. not to mention that last part is also racism. filling some quota in order to be "racially diverse" is actually total discrimination. going along with your example, a grad school choosing a student based on their skin color as opposed to their abilities in order to fill said quota is totally racist. i think people misunderstand the meaning of "racism." like they're under the impression that one can only be racist by being hateful towards people of different races, which is not at all the case. and if you wanna get really technical about it, there is only one race, which is the human race.
Jul 10 2015 9:06PM
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ABalls
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Music Television huh?
Jul 10 2015 9:08PM
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Mingg
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FBGMyeah totally. not to mention that last part is also racism. filling some quota in order to be "racially diverse" is actually total discrimination. going along with your example, a grad school choosing a student based on their skin color as opposed to their abilities in order to fill said quota is totally racist. i think people misunderstand the meaning of "racism." like they're under the impression that one can only be racist by being hateful towards people of different races, which is not at all the case. and if you wanna get really technical about it, there is only one race, which is the human race.


A fucking men.
Jul 10 2015 9:15PM
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DrZoidberg
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theBearJewShe explained racism is “not necessarily a thing you do, it’s a system you’re born into. …Sure, people of color can be prejudiced against white people, but it’s not the same thing as racism…”


Also fucking lol. I'm not born into a system. I don't care if somebody is an interracial green and black fucking mermaid fish creature. Who is this chick? Whites being prejudice against blacks is racism, but blacks doing the same to whites isn't?

Anyway... I did a quick google search. I was a chem major. There's something called the ACS, which I'm a member of. It's the american chemical society. American. There's also the NOBCChE, which not only makes me think nitrogen oxygen boron etc (I can no longer read acronyms without thinking that stuff)... But also stands for the National Organization for the Professional Advancement of Black Chemists and Chemical Engineers. "National society of white chemists" didn't turn up anything good in google. Turns out there's some sort of asian one for science too. Not surprising. The ACS isn't racially affiliated.

Let's end racism, except for when we can segregate ourselves. Also, let's factor it into scholarships, entry to schools, jobs, social groups and pretty much everything else we can. And let's make a TV show about it too in order to further the divide.

As previously stated, if people want to end racism they should stop making such a big deal of race.
Jul 10 2015 9:28PM
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If you don't think that you gain an advantage by being white in the US then you are dreaming. Sure a documentary on MTV isn't a good way to address the stigmas of race in the US but to completely ignore the problem makes you part of it.

Also the affirmative action white kid bitching is so played out. Maybe instead of only focusing on a minor issue that disproportionally disadvantages you, look at the major problems that the people who are advantaged by affirmative action face, like say poverty and racism.
Jul 10 2015 9:33PM
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DrZoidberg
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FBGMyeah totally. not to mention that last part is also racism. filling some quota in order to be "racially diverse" is actually total discrimination. going along with your example, a grad school choosing a student based on their skin color as opposed to their abilities in order to fill said quota is totally racist. i think people misunderstand the meaning of "racism." like they're under the impression that one can only be racist by being hateful towards people of different races, which is not at all the case. and if you wanna get really technical about it, there is only one race, which is the human race.


I know. It's insane. I think (and note that I say I think. I haven't checked this) that there's some sort of law concerning people who do business with the government or something, they're required to hire a certain number of blacks or basically nonwhites. I heard that, but again, never fact checked. If that's true that's stupid.

There was this black girl in my high school. We were in all the same classes and probably got similar grades. I know I did well, and she was smart. She probably did too. She got into princeton. Is there any chance I'd have gotten in? I didn't apply, but, probably not. Even my good friend, a white girl who a hundred percent should have gotten in, didn't. She's one of the most dedicated, hardworking people i know. She was valedictorian of her school. Obviously I can't say they denied her for her race but... Let's be real; everybody knows race can help or hurt when applying to school. And yes, that includes some old racist southerner denying black people as much as some new age guy accepting the most african sounding named kid he finds.

Like, why do they even ask race on apps? I've been doing job apps and they ask my race and sex. Why is that important or relevant? As I said in my other post, I don't care if my coworkers are interracial green and black mermaid fish people. If they do their jobs then so be it. If somebody is sitting behind a desk saying "oh, another white male, we have too many of those" then they should be fired.
Jul 10 2015 9:38PM
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S.J.W
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DrZoidbergAlso fucking lol. I'm not born into a system. I don't care if somebody is an interracial green and black fucking mermaid fish creature. Who is this chick? Whites being prejudice against blacks is racism, but blacks doing the same to whites isn't?

Anyway... I did a quick google search. I was a chem major. There's something called the ACS, which I'm a member of. It's the american chemical society. American. There's also the NOBCChE, which not only makes me think nitrogen oxygen boron etc (I can no longer read acronyms without thinking that stuff)... But also stands for the National Organization for the Professional Advancement of Black Chemists and Chemical Engineers. "National society of white chemists" didn't turn up anything good in google. Turns out there's some sort of asian one for science too. Not surprising. The ACS isn't racially affiliated.

Let's end racism, except for when we can segregate ourselves. Also, let's factor it into scholarships, entry to schools, jobs, social groups and pretty much everything else we can. And let's make a TV show about it too in order to further the divide.

As previously stated, if people want to end racism they should stop making such a big deal of race.

Those instutions came about due to racial segregration. Blacks were often discriminated against from these groups so they formed their own. Instead of bitching that you don't have your own orginsiation for white people. Maybe think why you don't have one? Because you didn't need one.
Jul 10 2015 9:41PM
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FBGM
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DrZoidbergI know. It's insane. I think (and note that I say I think. I haven't checked this) that there's some sort of law concerning people who do business with the government or something, they're required to hire a certain number of blacks or basically nonwhites. I heard that, but again, never fact checked. If that's true that's stupid.

There was this black girl in my high school. We were in all the same classes and probably got similar grades. I know I did well, and she was smart. She probably did too. She got into princeton. Is there any chance I'd have gotten in? I didn't apply, but, probably not. Even my good friend, a white girl who a hundred percent should have gotten in, didn't. She's one of the most dedicated, hardworking people i know. She was valedictorian of her school. Obviously I can't say they denied her for her race but... Let's be real; everybody knows race can help or hurt when applying to school. And yes, that includes some old racist southerner denying black people as much as some new age guy accepting the most african sounding named kid he finds.

Like, why do they even ask race on apps? I've been doing job apps and they ask my race and sex. Why is that important or relevant? As I said in my other post, I don't care if my coworkers are interracial green and black mermaid fish people. If they do their jobs then so be it. If somebody is sitting behind a desk saying "oh, another white male, we have too many of those" then they should be fired.


When they ask for race and gender it's for statistical purposes, and you can opt out of specifying. I usually do.
Jul 10 2015 9:44PM
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DrZoidberg
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Spagett+If you don't think that you gain an advantage by being white in the US then you are dreaming. Sure a documentary on MTV isn't a good way to address the stigmas of race in the US but to completely ignore the problem makes you part of it.

Also the affirmative action white kid bitching is so played out. Maybe instead of only focusing on a minor issue that disproportionally disadvantages you, look at the major problems that the people who are advantaged by affirmative action face, like say poverty and racism.

Equating poverty with race isn't the right thing to do. Being black does not make you poor. Being born into a poor family does.

It's equally possible that I get a job because I'm white, or don't get a job because I'm white. It depends who's reading the resume and interviewing. It shouldn't, but it does. Disproportionate or not, that doesn't mean it doesn't matter. If I don't get hired for a job solely because a black guy applied and got it for the sake of affirmative action then that's not right. It affects me and it matters. If I ended up unemployed and poor because of that situation, nobody would say it's because I'm white. They'd say I didn't try. But if that happened to a black guy then the immediate response is it's because of his race. But last I checked, discriminating based on race is racism. I'm going to guess more blacks are denied a job for their race than whites. That doesn't make denying a white person anything because they're white right though.

People act as if I, or some unspecified generation of whites did this. As I said, I don't care if you're a green and black interracial mermaid. There are racists out there. I'm not one of them. I want real equal treatment for all races in which nobody has an advantage over anybody else.

S.J.WThose instutions came about due to racial segregration. Blacks were often discriminated against from these groups so they formed their own. Instead of bitching that you don't have your own orginsiation for white people. Maybe think why you don't have one? Because you didn't need one.


I don't care that I don't have one nor am I looking for one, and you missed my point entirely.
The continued existence of groups with race right in the title, who's major requirement for admission is to be of a certain race, isn't helping the cause. It's 2015, not 1815. You want all races to be equal? Merge the black society for whoever with the other, non race affiliated and otherwise identical society that likely exists. I highly doubt anybody would be seriously opposed to that and if they are then they're legitimately racist. I don't need a white society for chemists, as you said. There's the ACS, who accepts all races. When people making such a big deal of race in all areas equality will be achieved.


FBGMWhen they ask for race and gender it's for statistical purposes, and you can opt out of specifying. I usually do.


Forgot about that.
Jul 10 2015 11:01PM
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Spagett+
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DrZoidbergEquating poverty with race isn't the right thing to do. Being black does not make you poor. Being born into a poor family does.

It's equally possible that I get a job because I'm white, or don't get a job because I'm white. It depends who's reading the resume and interviewing. It shouldn't, but it does. Disproportionate or not, that doesn't mean it doesn't matter. If I don't get hired for a job solely because a black guy applied and got it for the sake of affirmative action then that's not right. It affects me and it matters. If I ended up unemployed and poor because of that situation, nobody would say it's because I'm white. They'd say I didn't try. But if that happened to a black guy then the immediate response is it's because of his race. But last I checked, discriminating based on race is racism. I'm going to guess more blacks are denied a job for their race than whites. That doesn't make denying a white person anything because they're white right though.


Well 27% of black people are in poverty while about 10% of white people are in poverty so more black people are born into poor families than white people. Currently about 29% of the white population has a bachelors degree or higher while only 17% of African Americans have a bachelor degrees or higher. The correlation between income and education is clear so I fail to see the problem with making college entrance a little easier for black students compared to white student if it can help prevent and solve the poverty problem in America.
Jul 10 2015 11:24PM
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S.J.W
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DrZoidbergI don't care that I don't have one nor am I looking for one, and you missed my point entirely.
The continued existence of groups with race right in the title, who's major requirement for admission is to be of a certain race, isn't helping the cause. It's 2015, not 1815. You want all races to be equal? Merge the black society for whoever with the other, non race affiliated and otherwise identical society that likely exists. I highly doubt anybody would be seriously opposed to that and if they are then they're legitimately racist. I don't need a white society for chemists, as you said. There's the ACS, who accepts all races. When people making such a big deal of race in all areas equality will be achieved.

We can end racial orginasations when white people aren't oppressing minorities at every oppotrunity. Why is the minorities job to fix racism when they're the main victims of it? Minorities don't create these orginisations because they hate whites. They created them because of whites!
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