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Supreme Court Rules Gay Marriage Legal in All 50 States

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J.D.
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This is a huge day for the United States.

President Obama ‏@POTUS3m3 minutes ago
Today is a big step in our march toward equality. Gay and lesbian couples now have the right to marry, just like anyone else. #LoveWins
Jun 26 2015 10:22AM
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miroz
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milk_manI do not approve of gay marriage at all. I'm fine with gay people.. I will treat a person well no matter what. But for them to be called "married," that's when I've had enough.


Why should the government be responsible for imposing your beliefs on the population? The government should ensure equality for all parties.

Either they can
Jul 1 2015 9:27PM
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miroz
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mirozWhy should the government be responsible for imposing your beliefs on the population? The government should ensure equality for all parties.

Either they can


Oh fuck me. Oh well, not retyping
Jul 1 2015 9:28PM
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milk_man
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mirozWhy should the government be responsible for imposing your beliefs on the population? The government should ensure equality for all parties.

Either they can


For the same reason that murder is illegal. You could also say they are imposing my beliefs on the population in that instance too.
Jul 1 2015 9:29PM
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miroz
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milk_manFor the same reason that murder is illegal. You could also say they are imposing my beliefs on the population in that instance too.


Your beliefs coincide with a requirement for the country's safety and security.

Let me also clarify - when I say belief, I mean the religious grounding of a stance or opinion.
Jul 1 2015 9:38PM
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milk_man
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mirozYour beliefs coincide with a requirement for the country's safety and security.

Let me also clarify - when I say belief, I mean the religious grounding of a stance or opinion.


This issue really can't be solved though. Because according to Christians, God invented marriage and the only way a marriage is legitimate is if it fits His standards. While the other side believes that the government defines marriage, and that if it fits their standards it is legitimate.


So to each his own I guess. Because the two separate worldviews will never see this the same way
Jul 1 2015 9:58PM
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toastyteenagers
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5 pages reality check on how people are debating and disapproving an amendment that is already in law
Jul 1 2015 10:16PM
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madchronic
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Hey for anyone that is using religion as their justification for gay marriage not being legalized, why aren't you mad about divorce being legal. Just something to think about.
Jul 1 2015 10:18PM
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Arabian
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Pig disgusting homosexuals will ruin this country with their designer drapes and loud house music how dare they.
Jul 2 2015 12:20AM
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PacificRimJob
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ArabianPig disgusting homosexuals will ruin this country with their designer drapes and loud house music how dare they.


IKR!?

And don't get me started on their short shorts and bedazzled tank tops omg HELLO...
Jul 2 2015 4:16AM
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milk_man
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madchronicHey for anyone that is using religion as their justification for gay marriage not being legalized, why aren't you mad about divorce being legal. Just something to think about.


Your post may be rhetorical, but I'll go for it anyway. Divorce should not be illegal because there are instances where it is justified-even in the Bible. When a spouse is unfaithful the Bible says that divorce is an option, but not required.


But I guess I agree that divorce for any stupid reason shouldn't be legal, but this is 'Murica and people are ignorant of reality anyway. So we will continue on our broken path.
Jul 2 2015 8:13AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manYour post may be rhetorical, but I'll go for it anyway. Divorce should not be illegal because there are instances where it is justified-even in the Bible. When a spouse is unfaithful the Bible says that divorce is an option, but not required.


But I guess I agree that divorce for any stupid reason shouldn't be legal, but this is 'Murica and people are ignorant of reality anyway. So we will continue on our broken path.


You cant pick one and not the other. Plus the bible also says if a spouse is unfaithful they should be killed so...
Jul 2 2015 8:50AM
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las.
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milk_manpeople are ignorant of reality anyway.


You're not really one to talk..
Jul 2 2015 10:19AM
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milk_man
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Granite_StateYou cant pick one and not the other. Plus the bible also says if a spouse is unfaithful they should be killed so...


Show me a verse that says that in the New Testament.
Jul 2 2015 10:40AM
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ndye
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milk_manShow me a verse that says that in the New Testament.



Isnt the entire bible the word of god?

And if you would like me to send you some fucked up bible verses in the New Testament I would be more than happy to, I do not believe or at least am unsure of a New Testament verse telling one to kill their wife for being unfaithful.
Jul 2 2015 10:51AM
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Lonely
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ndyeIsnt the entire bible the word of god?

And if you would like me to send you some fucked up bible verses in the New Testament I would be more than happy to, I do not believe or at least am unsure of a New Testament verse telling one to kill their wife for being unfaithful.


They always defend themselves saying that the new testament is the word written for christians and old testament for the Jewish, so much for the old testament commandments
Jul 2 2015 11:15AM
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ndye
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LonelyThey always defend themselves saying that the new testament is the word written for christians and old testament for the Jewish, so much for the old testament commandments


I know and for some reason they still have computers to regurgitate shit on the internet

Luke14:33 So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions
Jul 2 2015 11:17AM
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XtRemE11
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I have a question for those that are pro gay marriage..
what do you think should define marriage? where do you draw the line? A christians definition is easy, its between a man and a woman. but the governments definition, the government that gives you benefits as a married couple, needs to have a line somewhere, and now it seems very unclear where that is.
Jul 2 2015 11:54AM
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the.hellion.
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XtRemE11I have a question for those that are pro gay marriage..
what do you think should define marriage? where do you draw the line? A christians definition is easy, its between a man and a woman. but the governments definition, the government that gives you benefits as a married couple, needs to have a line somewhere, and now it seems very unclear where that is.


For me the line is consent. Inanimate objects, animals, children, the severely mentally handicapped are incapable of giving consent and thus marriage shouldn't available to them all willy nilly. This obviously has some exceptions, particularly in regards to the issue of mental capacity.

I was thinking about this today, I don't think I can have a problem with bigamy, really. Who am I to say that three women can't be married to the same guy, if that's what they all want. I don't know.
Jul 2 2015 12:17PM
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S.J.W
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XtRemE11I have a question for those that are pro gay marriage..
what do you think should define marriage? where do you draw the line? A christians definition is easy, its between a man and a woman. but the governments definition, the government that gives you benefits as a married couple, needs to have a line somewhere, and now it seems very unclear where that is.


With regards to gay marriage, all that needed to be rewritten was a few pronouns and nothing changed what so ever.

Incest- One of the partners can't give 100% consent as usually in a family there is a power dynamic and when there is a power dynamic one party can't give 100% consent even if they feel as if they're giving consent. It's the same power dynamic that stops teachers from having sex with students. And obviously the genetic mutations that happen from inbreeding. Just look at SFB.

Marrying dogs or objects- they can't give consent.

Polygamy- Marriage is a contract. Sex doesn't change that. A few pronouns switched, but from a legal perspective everything still worked the exact same. But in a polygamous marriage, the entire definition would have to rewritten. In a divorce, who gets custody of the children, or how does alimony work? Who's next of kin and who gets the final say on when to pull the plug? Does employer benefits apply to all the partners? Does everyone get to immigrate at once? All these questions that didn't arise from gay marriage will arise from polygamy.
Jul 2 2015 12:43PM
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Lonely
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S.J.WWith regards to gay marriage, all that needed to be rewritten was a few pronouns and nothing changed what so ever.

Incest- One of the partners can't give 100% consent as usually in a family there is a power dynamic and when there is a power dynamic one party can't give 100% consent even if they feel as if they're giving consent. It's the same power dynamic that stops teachers from having sex with students. And obviously the genetic mutations that happen from inbreeding. Just look at SFB.

Marrying dogs or objects- they can't give consent.

Polygamy- Marriage is a contract. Sex doesn't change that. A few pronouns switched, but from a legal perspective everything still worked the exact same. But in a polygamous marriage, the entire definition would have to rewritten. In a divorce, who gets custody of the children, or how does alimony work? Who's next of kin and who gets the final say on when to pull the plug? Does employer benefits apply to all the partners? Does everyone get to immigrate at once? All these questions that didn't arise from gay marriage will arise from polygamy.


That was actually very well said

Noice
Jul 2 2015 2:15PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manShow me a verse that says that in the New Testament.


Why does it matter?
Jul 2 2015 3:38PM
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Lé.Skiing
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(I know I'm late, but...) Congratulations US on fully legalizing marriage!
Jul 2 2015 4:07PM
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deleted5
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milk_manYour post may be rhetorical, but I'll go for it anyway. Divorce should not be illegal because there are instances where it is justified-even in the Bible. When a spouse is unfaithful the Bible says that divorce is an option, but not required.


But I guess I agree that divorce for any stupid reason shouldn't be legal, but this is 'Murica and people are ignorant of reality anyway. So we will continue on our broken path.


So gay people even if they live together shouldn't be allowed to legally tie their financials insurance policies and assets together. That's only for a man and woman? You know marriage has a lot of benafits it's not just a title.
Jul 2 2015 4:11PM
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louie.mirags
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milk_manThis issue really can't be solved though. Because according to Christians, God invented marriage and the only way a marriage is legitimate is if it fits His standards. While the other side believes that the government defines marriage, and that if it fits their standards it is legitimate.


So to each his own I guess. Because the two separate worldviews will never see this the same way


Your god sounds selfish.
Jul 2 2015 4:18PM
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deleted5
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milk_manI do not approve of gay marriage at all. I'm fine with gay people.. I will treat a person well no matter what. But for them to be called "married," that's when I've had enough.


Also do you believe that your religious rights should be imposed on the entire country? It's fine if that's your opinion and when you have a gay sun you can disown him because it goes against a book that you read.

But I'm not religious and I don't care what others do. So are your views more important then mine?
Jul 2 2015 4:19PM
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milk_man
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nocturnalSo gay people even if they live together shouldn't be allowed to legally tie their financials insurance policies and assets together. That's only for a man and woman? You know marriage has a lot of benafits it's not just a title.


They can have all the benefits they want. I don't care. That's not what I care about. It's not that hard to understand.
Jul 2 2015 4:25PM
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S.J.W
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milk_manThey can have all the benefits they want. I don't care. That's not what I care about. It's not that hard to understand.


Then what do you care about?
Jul 2 2015 4:27PM
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Nikolaus
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bottom line is it doesn't affect anybody in any way. being against gay marriage is no different than banning someone from having a cookie cuz your'e on a diet.
Jul 2 2015 4:28PM
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milk_man
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nocturnalSo are your views more important then mine?


No, but apparently my English classes were. :) 😉
Jul 2 2015 4:28PM
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milk_man
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S.J.WThen what do you care about?


I care about what marriage means. And I'm upset that the government thinks they can redefine something that they didn't create.
Jul 2 2015 4:31PM
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S.J.W
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milk_manI care about what marriage means. And I'm upset that the government thinks they can redefine something that they didn't create.


Then you should also be angry at the government intervening in marriage in the first place.
Jul 2 2015 4:38PM
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ndye
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milk_manThey can have all the benefits they want. I don't care. That's not what I care about. It's not that hard to understand.


Christianity did not invent marriage. You can't claim it as your own when you come down the road later.
Jul 2 2015 4:39PM
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milk_man
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S.J.WThen you should also be angry at the government intervening in marriage in the first place.


Will you elaborate?
Jul 2 2015 4:40PM
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milk_man
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ndyeChristianity did not invent marriage. You can't claim it as your own when you come down the road later.


Then who did?
Jul 2 2015 4:40PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manI care about what marriage means. And I'm upset that the government thinks they can redefine something that they didn't create.


"Marriage, also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws"

Says nothing about being same sex or different sex
Jul 2 2015 4:46PM
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S.J.W
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milk_manWill you elaborate?


Considering marriage is rooted in religion, due to seperation of church and state the government should of never recognised marriage legally in the first place.
Jul 2 2015 4:47PM
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deleted5
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milk_manThey can have all the benefits they want. I don't care. That's not what I care about. It's not that hard to understand.

So you don't care if gay people get married, but you care if gay people get married because it's a sin?
Jul 2 2015 4:49PM
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ndye
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milk_manThen who did?


The first monogamous religions date back to the 2300s BC. It had nothing to do with religion but ensuring that a man and a woman had monogamous relations to ensure clear lineages.

http://www.islandmix.com/backchat/f9/origin-marriage-50901/

Widely embraced therein after by Greeks, Romans, and Hebrews.

In fact just read the article I posted.
Jul 2 2015 4:50PM
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ndye
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ndyeThe first monogamous religions date back to the 2300s BC. It had nothing to do with religion but ensuring that a man and a woman had monogamous relations to ensure clear lineages.

http://www.islandmix.com/backchat/f9/origin-marriage-50901/

Widely embraced therein after by Greeks, Romans, and Hebrews.

In fact just read the article I posted.


monogamous marriages* but you probably knew what I was talking about
Jul 2 2015 4:51PM
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louie.mirags
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Granite_State"Marriage, also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws"

Says nothing about being same sex or different sex


ding ding ding..
Jul 2 2015 4:54PM
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milk_man
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Granite_State"Marriage, also called matrimony or wedlock, is a socially or ritually recognized union or legal contract between spouses that establishes rights and obligations between them, between them and their children, and between them and their in-laws"

Says nothing about being same sex or different sex


Did you get that definition from Google? Heheh...

nocturnalSo you don't care if gay people get married, but you care if gay people get married because it's a sin?


I will type this slowly. Read it slowly. I'm not mad at anyone for sinning. Want to know why? Because I am a sinner. I have no room to judge.

If gay people want to be together forever and have lots of legal benefits, cool! Go for it. But calling it marriage offends me deeply. Because to me, marriage is sacred.
Jul 2 2015 4:55PM
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ndye
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milk_manDid you get that definition from Google? Heheh...



I will type this slowly. Read it slowly. I'm not mad at anyone for sinning. Want to know why? Because I am a sinner. I have no room to judge.

If gay people want to be together forever and have lots of legal benefits, cool! Go for it. But calling it marriage offends me deeply. Because to me, marriage is sacred.


You dont get to claim marriage as your own, when it has existed and will always exist outside of your religion
Jul 2 2015 5:09PM
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S.J.W
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milk_manBut calling it marriage offends me deeply. Because to me, marriage is sacred.


Ah yes, the sanctity of marriage. You may remember it from such shows as "The Bachelor" and "The bachelorette", "Married at first sight" and from other sacred marriages like Kim Kardashians wedding or the one in three divorce rate among married couples.
Jul 2 2015 5:13PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manDid you get that definition from Google? Heheh...



I will type this slowly. Read it slowly. I'm not mad at anyone for sinning. Want to know why? Because I am a sinner. I have no room to judge.

If gay people want to be together forever and have lots of legal benefits, cool! Go for it. But calling it marriage offends me deeply. Because to me, marriage is sacred.


Yeah that would be the definition.
Jul 2 2015 5:40PM
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Huck_Norris
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milk_manThis issue really can't be solved though. Because according to Christians, God invented marriage and the only way a marriage is legitimate is if it fits His standards. While the other side believes that the government defines marriage, and that if it fits their standards it is legitimate.


So to each his own I guess. Because the two separate worldviews will never see this the same way



See this is the distinction you're failing to realize. Marriage was never "yours" in any capacity. People were getting married for thousands of years before Jesus, and they get married now in all kinds of ways that "aren't Christian". Why aren't you freaking out over other religions' customs, arranged child weddings, divorce or adultery with the save fervor? It's just disingenuous that you attach such importance to gays yet every other non-Christian denomination-also "unholy"- is totally fine.

Beyond that though, there are two arms to "marriage". There is religious marriage, which consists of the customs and specific religious rituals that make it unique to that culture.

Then we have the LEGAL arm of marriage- the rights provided by the state married couples get through estate, insurance and taxation. This has absolutely no connection whatsoever to your religion and this is truly what gays want- equal protection from the government. They don't give a shit about you or your church and they don't care about your religions acceptance in any way, shape or form.

The fact that you expect the entire country to adhere by the laws of your personal religion- and have the government back you up- means you have no idea what the separation of church and state is, nor do you understand that the Christian faith doesn't own the term marriage or the legal rights it gives.

You're entitled to believe whatever you want, that's your right. Everyone else also has the right to tell you and Jesus to fuck off though and that's what you are flat out refusing to understand. The freedom OF religion also entails the freedom FROM religion.

Above and beyond that, shellfish and tattoos are mentioned in the same breath in Leviticus and none of you are up in arms about the abomination of shrimp and clams being legal and not one protest is happening outside a tattoo parlor today. These reasons are basically why you're full of shit AND an ignorant bastard to boot. Go fuck yourself.
Jul 2 2015 5:43PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manShow me a verse that says that in the New Testament.


Also the only direct referances to homosexuality are in the old testament, there is hardly anything written about it in the new testament (aka "your part of the bible") and anything that is is too vague
Jul 2 2015 5:51PM
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PacificRimJob
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Just to second Huck's point...

Huck_NorrisGo fuck yourself.
Jul 2 2015 6:06PM
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milk_man
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Granite_StateAlso the only direct referances to homosexuality are in the old testament, there is hardly anything written about it in the new testament (aka "your part of the bible") and anything that is is too vague


Actually you're wrong. It is in the New Testament, too.
Jul 2 2015 6:10PM
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milk_man
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Granite_StateAlso the only direct referances to homosexuality are in the old testament, there is hardly anything written about it in the new testament (aka "your part of the bible") and anything that is is too vague


It doesn't get much clearer than Romans 1:26-27... lol
Jul 2 2015 6:12PM
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ndye
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milk_manIt doesn't get much clearer than Romans 1:26-27... lol


It also doesn't get much clearer than Matthew 8:21 essentially saying: fuck it, let dead people bury dead people. The bible (including the New Testament) is filled with ridiculous shit which has no place in our government and policy decisions.

Also please respond to my other call outs of your claim on religion
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