A quick word on blocking ads
It looks like you are using an ad blocker. That's okay. Who doesn't? But without advertising revenue, we can't keep making this site awesome. Click the link below for instructions on disabling adblock.
Welcome to the Newschoolers forums! You may read the forums as a guest, however you must be a registered member to post. Register to become a member today!
ndyeSin and laws shouldn't be the same. You surely must realize that the fear against gay marriage is mainly a religious concept, do you believe that is a separation of church and state? And do you believe that gay people are Americans like us, and have the right to pursue happiness in the same form as the rest of us?
yeahmonHomosexual marriage is just as strange/creapy as the other weird marriages listed above. One of the primary factors of marriage is reproduction and unless something has changed a man and another man cannot reproduce.
yeahmonHomosexual marriage is just as strange/creapy as the other weird marriages listed above. One of the primary factors of marriage is reproduction and unless something has changed a man and another man cannot reproduce.
californiagrownits totally fine to be against gay marriage; it;s bigoted and hateful, but you are free to be so in the good ol USofA. It is not totally fine to disallow a civil union between a gay couple. that is discriminating against a a huge percentage of the population based purely upon sexual orientation. do you even know the benefits a civil union impart to a couple?
Yeah, i am going to attack you personally. largely because this is the internet and it wont cause a scene where cops get called. But when you talk shit and say hateful things about people i love and care about it sure rubs me the wrong way. If this was real life, Id treat you like any other bigot, or racist i come into contact with- id just walk away and not give you the time of day. Me in a shouting match or in jail does not help me or the people i care about.
yeahmonWell then polygamist should have the same right to pursue happiness as all the rest of us.
ndyeOne of the primary reasons for the push for marriage equality is providing same sex couples the benefits of one man and one woman marriage which can be allowed between two people. Polygamy would not fit in that definition. Religion has blinded you my friend, I went to catholic school for 11 years, I encourage you to seek reasoning and understanding outside the bible
yeahmoni have no problem with a gay couple getting the same insurance benefits etc. as a married couple. And personally I dont think homosexual marriage is right. But it really doesn't matter what I think but marriage is a a state right. That is why the recent SCOTUS ruling is a bit disheartening.
yeahmoni have no problem with a gay couple getting the same insurance benefits etc. as a married couple. And personally I dont think homosexual marriage is right. But it really doesn't matter what I think but marriage is a a state right. That is why the recent SCOTUS ruling is a bit disheartening.
yeahmoni have no problem with a gay couple getting the same insurance benefits etc. as a married couple. And personally I dont think homosexual marriage is right. But it really doesn't matter what I think but marriage is a a state right. That is why the recent SCOTUS ruling is a bit disheartening.
.MASSHOLE.I doubt many people will read this and it will get lost in the shuffle but here is an economic analysis of some of the fallacies surrounding the economic successes of Scandinavian countries.
http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/files/Sanandajinima-interactive.pdf
yeahmonHomosexual marriage is just as strange/creapy as the other weird marriages listed above. One of the primary factors of marriage is reproduction and unless something has changed a man and another man cannot reproduce.
ndyeTom Palmer is an aggressive and very open libertarian, and it would only make sense that he writes a paper against the democratic-socialist success of Scandinavian countries.
S.J.WYou know what also is a right? Not being discriminated against. You know that 14th amendment in your constitution. Until 1967 inter-racial marriage was illegal. And the same bullshit arguments arose back then, are happening now. And guess what, inter-racial marriage has been legal for nearly 40 years and still no one is marrying their dog, or their sister, or their 5 girlfriends.
.MASSHOLE.He did not write it, he wrote the forward, it was written by Nima Sanandaji, an Iranian living in Sweden. So before bashing it, try reading it carefully. It is a very interesting argument.
ndyeMarriage is an American right* and correct me if im wrong, but the first sentence says you have no problem with gay marriage, and the second says no?
Do you have a problem with interracial marriage? That was decided by a SCOTUS ruling, because it was a human right, even though on a state to state basis, many states would not have allowed that by vote. The reason why it was a SCOTUS decision, is because it has to do with human rights. The "right" for gay people to marry.
It doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights, I mean
"Im guna come to your house and gay marry you, and then your sister, and then your parents"
louie.miragsto be honest man it just sounds like you're regurgitating some bullshit you just read on facebook..
yeahmonIt can infringe on other people's rights because many people preachers for example would not be comfortable performing a gay marriage, many bakers may not be comfortable writing "Steve loves garry" on a gay wedding cake, many wedding photographers would not feel comfortable taking photos for a gay wedding, wedding planners etc.
The referenced post has been removed.
The normal economic rules apply: incentives, economic freedom, culture and a regime of good governance all matter when it comes to economic success. The effects of policy in the three eras roughly defined by the periods 1900–60, 1960–90 and 1990 to the present, have been more or less as economists would have predicted. The question that remains is whether Scandinavian countries will continue their return to the free-market roots that have historically served them so well.
yeahmonIt can infringe on other people's rights because many people preachers for example would not be comfortable performing a gay marriage, many bakers may not be comfortable writing "Steve loves garry" on a gay wedding cake, many wedding photographers would not feel comfortable taking photos for a gay wedding, wedding planners etc.
ndyeWell Im not going to read it, as it is way too long for me right now, however I did look up some of his shorter pieces regarding Sweden which I would assume is similar in his basic beliefs about the region.
http://www.newgeography.com/content/001543-is-sweden-a-false-utopia?page=2
He fails to look at a large set of socio-economic issues which we find in the US and we do not find in Sweden. He cites that Swedes who move to the US are typically more successful than Americans, well no shit, they come from a highly educated region, with a lot of money, so they would be successful. The issue in America is upward mobility, the issue is not the rich getting richer (people with money and ideas who immigrate to the US from Sweden).
He talks of Sweeds entering debt as a major issue despite the confidence that Swedes express in repayment of their debt, citing a week middle class, and uses a Gini coefficient which is just completely wrong.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html
The issue is not one of simple one side vs the other politics, I support and do not support a lot of the things done in Sweden, however their wealth, income mobility, and strength on an international level is something to be admired although not necessarily replicated to a T.
.MASSHOLE.And your Gini coefficient is the wrong one. It is from 2005, that one from Brandolini et al. was taken in 2008 and updated. Anyways I agree it is not a simple one side vs. the other politics but there are some fallacies about their wealth and strength on an international level that the paper addresses quite well. I figured some economics enthusiasts or majors would enjoy it.
yeahmonIt can infringe on other people's rights because many people preachers for example would not be comfortable performing a gay marriage, many bakers may not be comfortable writing "Steve loves garry" on a gay wedding cake, many wedding photographers would not feel comfortable taking photos for a gay wedding, wedding planners etc.
S.J.WAnd that's where you have freedom of religion to allow you deny baking a cake for someone. No one is going to force you to write "yeahmon loves cock" on a wedding cake. No one is forcing a perform a gay marriage ceremony. Seriously, all of your arguments against gay marriage are straight from republican party 101 and hold no logic or consistency.
louie.miragsYou're on the wrong side of history currently. In a few decades anti-gay folk are going to be looked at similar to racist. There is a reason for that. Drop what you think is normal and be more accepting of other types of people. It makes life more pleasant
yeahmonWell then why in Indiana have bakery's been getting sued for not wanting to cater a gay wedding
yeahmonThe issue of homosexuality being right or wrong will never go away. Did Roe v Wade stop the arguments over abortion?
ndyeI would like to see a source for his Gini coefficients, I dont believe those numbers he used in the slightest, that is a major part of the issue I have with our system currently. I can gurantee the numbers he used are wrong.
yeahmonWell then why in Indiana have bakery's been getting sued for not wanting to cater a gay wedding
louie.miragsIt is not a matter of right and wrong though. People are born gay whether you want to believe it or not. You're on the wrong side of history for not being accepting...
.MASSHOLE.In the paper I linked he took his Gini Coefficients from this paper.
S.J.WBecause a business does not have religious exceptions. A bakery can't deny you service based on your sexual orientation. If you can't tell the difference between religious freedoms for a person and a business then you're dumber than I thought.
ndyeThe Gini coefficients here clearly show the numbers coming from between 2001-2003? Also I do not agree with those numbers, they don't make sense to me, as every other Gini coefficient I have ever seen has painted a VERY different picture from a variety of years
yeahmonDon't give me that bullshit people are not born gay homosexuality is a choice just as heterosexuality is
yeahmonDon't give me that bullshit people are not born gay homosexuality is a choice just as heterosexuality is
louie.miragsYou're wrong, man. People are born gay. The people who don't think people are born gay are the ones who are constantly fighting the gay thoughts in their head. That is why you think it is a choice.
yeahmonDon't give me that bullshit people are not born gay homosexuality is a choice just as heterosexuality is
yeahmonDude you are not born gay. I am on mobile right now once, I get home I will post multiple articles on he topic.
yeahmonDude you are not born gay. I am on mobile right now once, I get home I will post multiple articles on he topic.
yeahmonThe bakery does not deny service if a a couple came it to set down and have a piece of cake, yeah there is nothing they can do about that. But if they don't want to cater the gay wedding and write "man loves man" on a cake then they shouldn't have to.
onenerdykidThis was the same exact logic that white people used to use about not wanting to offer their services/products to black people. It's blatant discrimination.
yeahmonJust because my opinion doesn't match yours I'm a bigot? Makes sense
louie.miragsThere are more than two options despite what CNN and Foxnews want us to think.
californiagrownNo. You're a bigot because you treat gay people as lesser than hetero folks when you don't believe they should have equal civil rights.
S.J.WBecause no god has ever existed. God will never exist and religion is one of the biggest factors holding back our society progressing into a greater age.
S.J.Wjust don't force it down peoples face
yeahmonI don't treat them as lesser, and I could turn this around on you and say your a bigot for treating me a Christian as lesser. Why is everyone always looking to be offended?
ndyeBecause those in favor of gay marriage dont want to take away your rights, gay marriage will NOT affect you in ANY way.
yeahmonBut just in general everybody really wants to be offended? Our society needs to chill out people say shit to me all the time do I get offended, NO. So why does everybody have to get offended over everything?
ndyeIn general there is no logical response other than not liking gay people, to be against gay marriage.
