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louie.miragsyeah nobody stands a chance that doesn't take their money.. Of course I agree
ndyeThat is exactly the mindset that those purchased/high budget candidates want you to think
louie.miragsAll right, man.. I already pointed out that the laymen could stand up and revolt but we're too comfortable. I have no ambition to change shit currently. I don't want to run any town much less a country. If somebody came along and had values I liked then I would jump aboard. Look back at that video I posted a few pages ago of the media straight up ignoring Ron Paul. He got 3rd in the Straw Poll and they never mentioned his name but discussed other candidates who placed below him. They have made it extremely difficult to infiltrate. They usually stop people before they even come remotely close. We're fucked and need to start from the ground up.
californiagrownHey conservatives! The SCOTUS just pissed all over you today. Hell, the most conservative of all the justices was the one who wrote the opinion.
Liberalism wins again! Long live obamacare!
S.J.Wno offence kid, but you're 16. You don't know shit about politics, world views or anything. You're just rehashing whatever your parents views are (probably). You're not even old enough to vote. Wait until you have real world experience before you make up your mind on whether you're left or right wing.
californiagrownLiberalism wins again! Long live obamacare!
ScaredwhiteboyThe Supreme Court upheld Obamacare as Constitutional. We already knew it was Constitutional. If the Supreme Court's job was to rule on whether or not laws would destroy the country, it might have been a little more devastating. As it is, this was a no-brainer decision that even conservatives should support if they have any intellectual integrity.
plyswthsqrrlsaren't you 18?
ScaredwhiteboyThe Supreme Court upheld Obamacare as Constitutional. We already knew it was Constitutional. If the Supreme Court's job was to rule on whether or not laws would destroy the country, it might have been a little more devastating. As it is, this was a no-brainer decision that even conservatives should support if they have any intellectual integrity.
Granite_StateConservatives and intellectual integrity...lol.
Oh is Obamacare going to destroy this country? Just like ISIS?
yeahmonISIS is a real threat if they can take over France they can take over America. They have already started trying
louie.miragsforcing people to pay for insurance regardless if they want it or not classifies as intellectual integrity?
S.J.WWoah, I never knew ISIS took over France. Damn I need to get up to date on current events.
There's a big difference between a cyber attack and taking over a country. Or did fox news not include that part?[/QUOTE
ISIS has a notable influence in France right now and I am not talking about a cyber stack I am talking about a real attack in Texas at a freedom of speech event I'm sure MSNBC didn't include that part
louie.miragsHave you finished school yet, started paying your loans back or paying rent yet ?
californiagrownCheck, already paid off, unfortunately yes.
Liberalism wins again!!!
ndyeYeah, it does. Because we will treat them whether they have insurance or not, so intellectually we should try and get everyone on health insurance. Intellectually its the smart thing to do to get people to sign up for health insurance.
http://familiesusa.org/product/dying-coverage-deadly-consequences-being-uninsured
We make people pay taxes for a lot of things they dont necessarily want. This is nothing new.
louie.miragsNothing new but doesn't mean it is right.
If somebody wants to not pay into insurance then they shouldn't have to. They also shouldn't get treated.
Free country, except you have to pay for insurance, taxes, pay for wars you don't support, can't do with your body everything you want, can't smoke weed legally in most states etc. Just because these policies have always been around, does not make them right. Look at Gay marriage for example. That changed...
ndyePrecisely, and I am saying it is change that needed to take place, I dont want people dying outside of hospitals because they cant afford it, and I dont want to be picking up an excessive bill as a taxpayer if they do get treated.
louie.miragsI feels ya, I really do. But, this forced insurance is driving prices way up. Instead of a band aid costing a dollar, it may cost $20 to get one at the ER. I don't have exact figures but you hear it all the time. Tylenol costing $10 a pill in the hospital. Surgeries costing 100s of thousands. Medications costing 30k a year.
Also, obamacare messing up people's primary doctors and their coverage no longer covering the same shit. Driving up co-pays etc. I don't need to repeat all of my points.
I haven't been to a doctor in years yet I pay $120 a month plus what my job contributes monthly. If I was banking that, I would have enough when shit goes wrong. Also, if private procedures would have to be a reasonable price or there would be no industry. A true free market would work itself out.
louie.miragsI ask you this because I used to have similar thoughts as you until I started carrying my own weight and paying all of my own bills. I just can't comprehend how so much of my paycheck goes to taxes. Yeah some of it is for the roads, police, fire, ems etc. But, the portion that goes toward paying for other people's welfare and food stamps gets to me. The percentage is small, but there are people who live off that shit. And there are plenty of people who lie and abuse the system. For example, the Hasidic jews pay no taxes and they don't get married through the state. So, the wives claim welfare and foodstamps because on paper they are single moms with multiple kids. And you're proud of that system?
But i know half of you shtick is playing devil's advocate and always disagreeing so I don't fully buy what you're saying..
Granite_StateConservatives and intellectual integrity...lol.
Oh is Obamacare going to destroy this country? Just like ISIS?
ScaredwhiteboyYou were probably too busy celebrating the Supreme Court's dismantling of the 10th Amendment to notice, but just this morning ISIS beheaded a man in France, shot dead 39 people in Tunisia, and blew up a mosque killing 27 more in Kuwait. If you don't think we're next, you don't understand ISIS.
And yes Obamacare is going to ruin the country. It will simultaneously bankrupt the country and give the government an excuse to regulate every aspect of our lives. When people realize how much ski injuries cost the cash-starved state healthcare system, how long it will it take to ban skiing? They've already pretty much banned smoking because its unhealthy. What high risk activity will be next to go?
S.J.WLol, domestic terrorism poses more of a threat to America than IS does. You kill more of yourselves every year through gun crime but god forbid someone kills you in the name of Islam and your country will soon be run by sharia law. Yeah no, you're a dumb cunt.
ScaredwhiteboyHave you heard about Al Qaeda? They're ISIS' less evil, less competent older brother. In 2001 they killed more Americans than every mass killer in the past 25 years combined.
S.J.WAnd did you know that America has killed over 133,000 civilians in the middle east. Who's the bigger terrorist?
Scaredwhiteboy"civilians." You mean the people who gladly let militants use their children as meat shields? Just because they aren't holding a gun doesn't mean they aren't helping the terrorist cause.
But while we're on the subject of killing civilians, have I told you about ISIS? Killing civilians is kind of a hobby of theirs. Check it out (or dont, it's disgusting): http://allenbwest.com/2015/02/isis-murders-coptic-christians-mass-beheading/
S.J.Wokay there mate. stop listening to fox news. Not every person in the middle east is out to destroy America. That's just a dumb statement to make. IS is bad, I'm not disputing that so linking to very poorly written opinion piece is like trying to convince someone that 2 plus 2 equals four when they know two plus plus equals four. But while we're on the subject of Islamic terrorism.
Your fear against IS is irrational and really goes to show just how much intellect you have. A black person has more of a chance of being shot by a police officer than they do by being a victim of Islamic terrorism. Instead of basing your fear on what Fox news tells you, how about you actually research the topic and that way you won't make yourself look like an uneducated idiot.
louie.miragsforcing people to pay for insurance regardless if they want it or not classifies as intellectual integrity?
S.J.WAnd did you know that America has killed over 133,000 civilians in the middle east. Who's the bigger terrorist?
ScaredwhiteboyHave you heard about Al Qaeda? They're ISIS' less evil, less competent older brother. In 2001 they killed more Americans than every mass killer in the past 25 years combined.
Granite_StateOh Al Qaeda? You mean the fanatical group we help create/arm to stop Russian expansion in the middle east? But that of course was when the CIA was buddy buddy with Bin Laden.
Terrorism happens all over the world but us Americans always feel we have a target on out back. We are directly responsible for ISIS's military growth. If we stop giving military vehicles and munitions to say, that joke of an Iraqi army, where they always end up in ISIS hands than maybe their expansion would be stunted. Or better yet, arm the Kurds and back them over the Iraqi's considering they have already proven they are a far more effective fighting force.
60% of Americans (or around there) are opposed to fighting another war. We dont need it. Its the targeted Fox News/conservative fear mongering that makes people think we need boots on the ground, but we dont. That indecisive pussy Obama already sent what 600 troops to train and delegate that embarrassing Iraqi army, we dont need to risk any more American live after that shitshow/fallacy that was the Iraqi war...
.MASSHOLE.Few misconceptions here.
First, we did not create Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda came about from the chaos of post-Soviet Afghanistan where, rather than provide support to the moderates like Ahmad Massoud, the United States took a hands-off approach and let the country decide on its own. The result was that Afghani muhjahideen were unable to come to a consensus on how to run the country and it plunged into civil conflict. During this chaos many of the foreign Arab fighters were united by Bin Laden and other Islamic fundamentalists (namely with Muslim Brotherhood roots) decided that they were going to create a group that was going take up jihadist activities elsewhere.
However, it was not until the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait did Al-Qaeda turn its eyes towards the United States. As some of you older members may recall, Saudi Arabia called for military aid from its allies, fearing that it would be next on Saddam's list of countries to attack. Osama went to the Saudi royal family and pledged the support of his fighters but was quickly rejected. Instead, the Saudi's turned to the US and asked for their military support. This was a slap to face of Osama for in the Quran it is considered sacrilege for foreign soldiers to be in the holy land of Islam. Osama quickly denounced the Saudi and the United States and moved to Sudan after he was forced to leave by the Saudis.
Still, Al Qaeda did not target many foreign interests for they were too small. During this time, Saudi Arabia recognized the Oslo Accords, causing Osama to anger even more. This was the pivotal time for Al Qaeda, where, after a few failed attacks on African politicians, they were forced to move once again from Sudan to Afghanistan, where they truly took root.
So, tl;dr. Early Al Qaeda members rose from the chaos of Afghanistan, but did not establish themselves until the mid 1990s when they teemed up with the Taliban.
Secondly, we are not solely responsible for the military growth of ISIS. ISIS has gained its weaponry from three sources: private support, military conquests, and purchasing it itself.
ISIS is the worlds richest terrorist group, generating its income from three main sources. These sources include oil, taxation/ransoms/theft, and private financiers. Its oil fields, as of fall 2014, were able to produce $200,000 to $400,000 worth of oil a day. Its ransoms and theft generate 8%-10% of its other income, with ransoms supposedly generating $25-$35 million over a 12 month period. Unfortunately, it is impossible to estimate how much private financing generates for their total income. Still, ISIS is able to bring in millions of dollars. It would be unwise to think that ISIS is not able to purchase its weaponry from black market dealers.
Despite public persistence to the contrary, ISIS has numerous support in both Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Turkey has been a thorn in the side of both Kurdish and Allied coalition attempts to stop ISIS. Turkey has left its borders open for ISIS, allowing for easy entry and exit of goods, namely oil to purchase weaponry. The Saudis, with their Wahhabist interpretation of Islam, often support extremists. Despite their governments protests to the contrary, there are numerous private donors who are funding ISIS, allowing them to purchase weaponry.
Finally, the third source for weaponry as stated above, is military conquest. Yes, the US has dropped military aid in the wrong places, allowing ISIS to gain access to more guns and ammunition. Yes, Iraqi forces have looked like the French during World War 2, but to blame the US entirely is wrong. ISIS' history can be traced back to the Syrian Revolution, where they often entered conflicts that gave them access to greater spoils of war, allowing them to increase the amount of weaponry they had. So, while the US has made mistakes, it is incorrect to blame the US entirely for the rise of the ISIS militant force.
And to arm the Kurds would be diplomatic suicide for a few different reasons but in a nutshell, the militant Kurds are labeled terrorists by the UN and NATO, have a presence in a few countries we call our allies, and are generally hated by the Middle East. We don't need the Middle East to hate us more.
S.J.WLol, domestic terrorism poses more of a threat to America than IS does. You kill more of yourselves every year through gun crime but god forbid someone kills you in the name of Islam and your country will soon be run by sharia law. Yeah no, you're a dumb cunt.
californiagrownYour signature admits that you say dumb things.
yeahmonevery year abortion kills many more Americans than guns. just sayin
.MASSHOLE.Except this is not one of those times. All of that is factually proven.
californiagrownyou sure bout that?
.MASSHOLE.Rather confident about it. Seeing as I wrote a paper about ISIS financials and studied the history of Al Qaeda, Osama, and Islamist Politics within the past 12 months, I would say my understanding of their history, the rhetoric, and differences between the original Afghani Arabs and Al Qaeda is rather strong.
californiagrownOh you wrote a paper on it? And listened to what a proff told you about the subject?
You must be an expert.
.MASSHOLE.No, rather I read experts research, did my own analysis of current governmental reports, and read history books on the subjects. But generally listening to an expert in the field of Arabic political thought helps understanding.
Here, if you are so inclined to check a few my sources go ahead.
For general understanding of Islamic Political Thought:
Mandaville, Peter, Global Political Islam
Hroub, Khaled, Political Islam: Context Versus Ideology
For understanding ISIS funding:
Boghardt, Lori Plotkin "Saudi Funding of ISIS." The Washington Institute, June 23rd, 2014. http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis
Bora, Kukil "ISIS Funding has Deversified Sources, Group Equipped to Continue Fighting for Two Years: UN." International Business Times, November 19th, 2014. http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-funding-has-diversified-sources-group-equipped-continue-fighting-two-years-un-1725958
Now, for all information related to Al Qaeda:
United Nations, United Nations Security Council, "Sixteenth Report of the Analytical Support and Sanctions Monitoring Team Submitted Pursuant to Resolution 2161 (2014) concerning Al-Qaida and Associated Individuals and Entities." S/2014/770 October 29th, 2014.
Al-Zawahiri, Ayman, Osama Bin-Laden, Fazlur Rahman, Mir Hamzah, and Abu-Yasir Taha. "World Islamic Front Statement Urging Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders." World Islamic Front Statement Urging Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders. N.p., 23 Feb. 1998. Web. 06 Feb. 2015. .
Bearden, Milton. "Afghanistan, Graveyard of Empires." Foreign Affairs 80.6 (2001): 17-30. JSTOR. Web. 06 Feb. 2015.
Benotman, Norman, and Russell, Jonathan. "A New Index to Assess the Effectiveness of Al Qaeda." Quilliam Foundation. Web. 06 Feb. 2015
Blanchard, Christopher. "Al Qaeda: Statements and Evolving Ideology." Jul. 9, 2007. RL32759. U.S. Congressional Research Service. Web. 06 Feb. 2015
Pew Research Center, "Muslin Publics Share Concerns about Extremist Groups." Sept. 10, 2013. Web. 06. Feb. 2015
Rollins, John. "Al Qaeda and Affiliates: Historical Perspective, Global Presence, and Implications for U.S. Policy." Jan. 25th, 2011. R41070. U.S. Congressional Research Service. Web. 06 Feb. 2015
californiagrownI agree. You do say dumb things.
.MASSHOLE.Glad to see you're so open-minded to learning new things.
californiagrownhaha changing the world's view on middle eastern politics one imaginary internet skier at a time.
S.J.WYou're not prolife, you're pro birth. Who will look after these kids? Will they just be a drain on the economic system? Live a neglected life and go into gang life? The cycle of poverty would just continue without abortion.
Anyways, it's not your place to tell a woman what she can/can't do with her body so your opinion is irrelevant.
californiagrownhaha changing the world's view on middle eastern politics one imaginary internet skier at a time.
.MASSHOLE.If I am wrong, please point to where. Until then you are the one looking like the fool right now.
yeahmonIt not her body it is another life forms body are you still a part of your mothers body? I don't think so! Or at least I hope not!
ScaredwhiteboyIf you don't think we're next, you don't understand ISIS.
S.J.WThat's the dumbest compression I've ever heard with regards to abortion. Who will look after these unwanted babies? They'll just be a drag on the economy and the cycle of poverty will just continue. You're not prolife, you're probirth.
yeahmonI am anti murder i really just dont understand why you think murder is ok