People so butt-hurt over the confederate flag flown @ SC capitol ???

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louie.miragsIf you don't live in Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan then why would you care about drone strikes? I mean cmon, really?

More importantly, why the fuck is a state allowed to fly an ENEMY flag? It doesn't represent the USA, it represents the attempted dissolution of the USA...

And that black people are less than human.

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las.Enter: the shitty trolls. You're gonna have a hard time shitposting in here friends, frenchy's already got that well and truly covered

I am very disappointed in NS. Please learn some history.

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Spagett+I am very disappointed in NS. Please learn some history.

I am going to respond to your comment on the prior page, so you're right it was to keep the union together, youre correct.

Now do you know why the south was splitting from the union?

Because the policies and practices of the north were a direct threat against the institution of slavery.

“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” Mississippi's secession declaration

Albeit the war was over keeping the union together, the reason for the south attempting to leave was directly over slavery, and anyone who disagrees is reading the headlines only without a real understanding of how complex the issue was and its direct correlation with slavery.

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ndyeI am going to respond to your comment on the prior page, so you're right it was to keep the union together, youre correct.

Now do you know why the south was splitting from the union?

Because the policies and practices of the north were a direct threat against the institution of slavery.

“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” Mississippi's secession declaration

Albeit the war was over keeping the union together, the reason for the south attempting to leave was directly over slavery, and anyone who disagrees is reading the headlines only without a real understanding of how complex the issue was and its direct correlation with slavery.

I know, all I'm saying is that kids who are thinking the civil war was some valiant effort by Abraham Lincoln to end slavery are wrong.

Also Im not saying that anyone should be flying the confederate flag, and I'm against it being flown on any government building.

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Spagett+I know, all I'm saying is that kids who are thinking the civil war was some valiant effort by Abraham Lincoln to end slavery are wrong.

Also Im not saying that anyone should be flying the confederate flag, and I'm against it being flown on any government building.

This I can all agree with, it should be noted that Lincoln personally thought slavery was wrong, but that he did not find it his duty as president to free the slaves but rather to save the union.

People who believe that it was Lincoln's valiant effort to abolish slavery are indeed wrong.

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At the end of the day this is just like any other emotionally dividing story that incessantly captivates the tiny amount of attention we pay to real political issue. This morning I can't see downtown from the other side of the Salt Lake Valley directly because of human produced smog. I had a chat with a homeless vet this morning and I read about a small business owner pinched out of business because of new regulatory health insurance burdens.

It's a flag that comes from a time when absolutely none of us lived through. Our priorities and subjective disposition of what it means is a joke. You're going after the carrot on the stick by even participating in this debate. Our priorities in this country are hashtag fucked.

/End yearly political post in Ns.

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Spagett+I know, all I'm saying is that kids who are thinking the civil war was some valiant effort by Abraham Lincoln to end slavery are wrong.

Also Im not saying that anyone should be flying the confederate flag, and I'm against it being flown on any government building.

Really please tell me what it was for? At the end of the day its all comes down to money. The south wasn't industrialize like the north so they had to rely on slave labor for their economy. It was about slavery but at the same time it wasnt about slavory. The flag stands for being able to keep slaves so their economy could flourish.

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nocturnalThe flag stands for being able to keep slaves so their economy could flourish.

No it doesn't. The flag represents some sort of "southern pride" and independence. If You really think that something that solely represents " being able to keep slaves so their economy could flourish" would still be flown on government land today then you are dumb.

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Spagett+No it doesn't. The flag represents some sort of "southern pride" and independence. If You really think that something that solely represents " being able to keep slaves so their economy could flourish" would still be flown on government land today then you are dumb.

Look, it's essentially a swastika and there is no defending it. The prevalence of southern bitterness over the loss of their shitty way of life continues to this day and the rebel flag's presence is a great example. It stands for institutionalized racism on a grand scale. It stands for the governmental subjugation of an entire race. It stands for widespread cruelty and brutal violence on behalf of a "superior" race. I mean what the fuck, man?

Not one halfway-educated normal human being has come up with a single good reason it should be there flying next to the actual pride-inducing American flag. I mean really- It is the flag of the beaten traitor. It's the flag of a failed coup to overthrow the US Government, and it's as close to a terrorist symbol as we even have domestically speaking. Every time you say "The South will rise again" you're literally saying "We're going to attack the government, overthrow the existing system and make these niggers our pets again". That's some fucked up shit.

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MitchPeeAt the end of the day this is just like any other emotionally dividing story that incessantly captivates the tiny amount of attention we pay to real political issue. This morning I can't see downtown from the other side of the Salt Lake Valley directly because of human produced smog. I had a chat with a homeless vet this morning and I read about a small business owner pinched out of business because of new regulatory health insurance burdens.

It's a flag that comes from a time when absolutely none of us lived through. Our priorities and subjective disposition of what it means is a joke. You're going after the carrot on the stick by even participating in this debate. Our priorities in this country are hashtag fucked.

/End yearly political post in Ns.

Stop driving your car, that business was going to fail anyways, mental health care for vets needs to be federally funded...kinda like all healthcare is now, and you are a fucking head-in-the-sand moron.

It's a fucking embarrassment people think its okay to fly that flag on a govt building.

Wtf are YOU doing to mitigate the issues you see around you? Nothing? YOU are part of the problem bud.

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Huck_NorrisLook, it's essentially a swastika and there is no defending it. The prevalence of southern bitterness over the loss of their shitty way of life continues to this day and the rebel flag's presence is a great example. It stands for institutionalized racism on a grand scale. It stands for the governmental subjugation of an entire race. It stands for widespread cruelty and brutal violence on behalf of a "superior" race. I mean what the fuck, man?

Not one halfway-educated normal human being has come up with a single good reason it should be there flying next to the actual pride-inducing American flag. I mean really- It is the flag of the beaten traitor. It's the flag of a failed coup to overthrow the US Government, and it's as close to a terrorist symbol as we even have domestically speaking. Every time you say "The South will rise again" you're literally saying "We're going to attack the government, overthrow the existing system and make these niggers our pets again". That's some fucked up shit.

Hahaha holy shit dude I said I don't support it being flown. It isn't "essentially as swastika" and honestly that comparison is silly.

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Spagett+Hahaha holy shit dude I said I don't support it being flown. It isn't "essentially as swastika" and honestly that comparison is silly.

3 million Jews died in slave labor camps. An additional 3 million were killed because of their religion. A swastika symbolizes this tragedy to the world.

Tens of millions of slaves died on slave labor plantations. They were there because of the color of their skin. A confederate flag symbolizes this tragedy to the world.

Seems pretty similar...

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californiagrown3 million Jews died in slave labor camps. An additional 3 million were killed because of their religion. A swastika symbolizes this tragedy to the world.

Tens of millions of slaves died on slave labor plantations. They were there because of the color of their skin. A confederate flag symbolizes this tragedy to the world.

Seems pretty similar...

No it isn't similar it all. The holocaust was the systematic killing of a group of people with the intention of eliminating them entirely.

Slavery was really fucked up, don't get me wrong, but it isn't the same as the holocaust. It was an abusive exploitation of a group of people for labor. Slavery was terrible and I don't condone flying the confederate flag, but don't compare it to the holocaust.

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Spagett+No it isn't similar it all. The holocaust was the systematic killing of a group of people with the intention of eliminating them entirely.

Slavery was really fucked up, don't get me wrong, but it isn't the same as the holocaust. It was an abusive exploitation of a group of people for labor. Slavery was terrible and I don't condone flying the confederate flag, but don't compare it to the holocaust.

So you're saying the holocaust only killed 3 million Jews? Because only 3 million were systematically killed. If you agree with that, you are part of a fun group called holocaust deniers.

Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

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Spagett+Hahaha holy shit dude I said I don't support it being flown. It isn't "essentially as swastika" and honestly that comparison is silly.

Yeah you're right, it is pretty silly; the holocaust lasted a few years while slavery in the United States, where people were regularly murdered and brutally tortured because of their race (just like the holocaust), lasted over a hundred years.

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californiagrownSo you're saying the holocaust only killed 3 million Jews? Because only 3 million were systematically killed. If you agree with that, you are part of a fun group called holocaust deniers.

Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

Yep, I just said the holocaust happened and was terrible, Thats what a holocaust denier would say.

KreechYeah you're right, it is pretty silly; the holocaust lasted a few years while slavery in the United States, where people were regularly murdered and brutally tortured because of their race (just like the holocaust), lasted over a hundred years.

Yeah 11 million people dying in the span of 5 years is comparable to a 150 year institution that the united states was founded with as a way of getting cheap labor. You know what, more people died in the slave trade than the holocaust, but comparing them just doesn't make sense. They were both terrible and ridiculously inhumane, but thats were the similarities end. I will say it again, I don't think the confederate flag is good and should be flown, but it isn't the same as flying a flag with a swastika on it.

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Good thing all that confederate flag merchandise is being pulled from Amazon. Now all the white supremacist can just buy all the Nazi merchandise still for sale on Amazon instead.

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californiagrownSo you're saying the holocaust only killed 3 million Jews? Because only 3 million were systematically killed. If you agree with that, you are part of a fun group called holocaust deniers.

Go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

actually, the number of people actually systemically kiled in gas chambers is low, the vast majority died from starvation and disease because they were isolated form supplies.

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SFBactually, the number of people actually systemically kiled in gas chambers is low, the vast majority died from starvation and disease because they were isolated form supplies.

I'm using the estimate of folks killed at the extermination camps. They were intentionally offed.

The majority of the holocaust victims starved, were worked, or froze to death. Basically used as animals for slave labor.

Homeboy up there doesn't want to recognize that fact though

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Spagett+No it doesn't. The flag represents some sort of "southern pride" and independence.

Some sort of, very nice wording and extraordinarily specific. Also there was no independence because they lost the war. You want to give me an actual reason?

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this thread is a fucking shit-show

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SFBactually, the number of people actually systemically kiled in gas chambers is low, the vast majority died from starvation and disease because they were isolated form supplies.

So you can look up how many people died in gas chambers, but you can't accurately research the civil war? Damn, you smart

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Just going to add more arguments to you idiots out there. The person who designed the rebel flag, William T Thompson, called it "the whites man flag"

But no, please continue to try and convince me that the flag isn't racist with your "southern pride" bullshit.

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S.J.WJust going to add more arguments to you idiots out there. The person who designed the rebel flag, William T Thompson, called it "the whites man flag"

But no, please continue to try and convince me that the flag isn't racist with your "southern pride" bullshit.

Northern Virginia flag* my bad, but it had the rebel flag on it. He also said "As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race,"

So when the designer of flag is racist, how can you say the flag isn't?

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Damn, none of us fucking know anything. I'm minoring in American History and even for me this is a shitty issue.

South really wanted slavery (new territories, bleeding kansas)-North upset balance of free and slave states-south scared cuz that's their whole economy-secedes-shit storm ensues

What's really fucking dumb tho is the fact that some people who have no relation to this issue defend that flag vehimately? Like...you went through High school history, live in a northern state, and still act like you know everything about the issue and defend it, just because it's controversial,and painfully flounder.

But what do I know.

I just want to stop these dumb threads because none of us are doing anything by posting in a fucking ski forum about it.

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S.J.WNorthern Virginia flag* my bad, but it had the rebel flag on it. He also said "As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race,"

So when the designer of flag is racist, how can you say the flag isn't?

lol ur mad, you dont think the meaning of a symbol changes with time?

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SFBlol ur mad, you dont think the meaning of a symbol changes with time?

It's an overused argument, but the swastika is still the same. Just saying.

Sjw is dumb otherwise

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LonelyIt's an overused argument, but the swastika is still the same. Just saying.

Sjw is dumb otherwise

the swastika was a symbol of auspiciousness in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism before being adopted as the symbol of the nazis

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SFBthe swastika was a symbol of auspiciousness in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism before being adopted as the symbol of the nazis

hey dipshit, you copy and paste that straight from google? HOLY SHIT NOBODY FUCKING KNEW THIS!!!!

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LonelyDamn, none of us fucking know anything. I'm minoring in American History and even for me this is a shitty issue.

South really wanted slavery (new territories, bleeding kansas)-North upset balance of free and slave states-south scared cuz that's their whole economy-secedes-shit storm ensues

What's really fucking dumb tho is the fact that some people who have no relation to this issue defend that flag vehimately? Like...you went through High school history, live in a northern state, and still act like you know everything about the issue and defend it, just because it's controversial,and painfully flounder.

But what do I know.

I just want to stop these dumb threads because none of us are doing anything by posting in a fucking ski forum about it.

Change starts on Newschoolers.com

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SFBlol ur mad, you dont think the meaning of a symbol changes with time?

Yeah but very rarely can a symbol with such a high profile like the confederate flag be changed. But considering the flag really only became popular as a show of "southern pride" during the civil rights era, it's bullshit that you can just say that it represents southern pride with ignoring the social constructs around the flag and its history.

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hishighnessshey dipshit, you copy and paste that straight from google? HOLY SHIT NOBODY FUCKING KNEW THIS!!!!

chill out broski, SFB knows his shit

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SFBthe swastika was a symbol of auspiciousness in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism before being adopted as the symbol of the nazis

Yes killing six million people under that symbol, will change what that symbol means. That's a positive symbol that turn to a negative. So the south can come together and save a 6 million peoples lives, under the Confederate flag, and then you can do whatever you want with it. But until then it still used because the South used it during the Civil War, it served no other purpose since.

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nocturnalTheres No pride it's a flag of war which they lost.

it's pretty much a flag of the south now dude, not that hard of a concept to understand... hahahaha

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.frenchyit's pretty much a flag of the south now dude, not that hard of a concept to understand... hahahaha

Yes its the flag of the South when they tried to secede from the government, and then started a war. I do understand that I don't think you do.

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californiagrownMore importantly, why the fuck is a state allowed to fly an ENEMY flag? It doesn't represent the USA, it represents the attempted dissolution of the USA...

And that black people are less than human.

Confederate States of AMERICA.... Sounds pretty American to me. dumbass.

They were both still American.... They both had different views.

and nocturnal just do yourself a favor and shut the hell up lol

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Spagett+I know, all I'm saying is that kids who are thinking the civil war was some valiant effort by Abraham Lincoln to end slavery are wrong.

It's important to keep in mind that he was a republican, so he was standing on a firm anti-slave base to begin with. This also invites the possibility that maybe he just wanted to have the appearance of not being as committed to ending slavery as he really was. Anti-slavery opinions were pretty unpopular in the north, too. At that stage it would have been politically reckless to make the war about slavery, and it would only have caused a greater divide within the union.
Only speculation, obviously - just something to consider

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.frenchyit's pretty much a flag of the south now dude, not that hard of a concept to understand... hahahaha

Yeah that's why many republicans are calling for the flag to be taken down. That's why Texas won't issue number plates with the flag on it. That's why the Governors of Maryland, Georgia and North Carolina are all calling to take it down. And that's why Sears, Amazing, Wallmart and Ebay have all stopped selling the flag. And that's why only 9% of America has a positive reaction to the flag, while 30% of America has a negative reaction to when they see it, and the more educated you are, the more negatively you are to the flag.

That last line probably explains why you will defend it so much.

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frenchies they don't allow trollin on the bass pro bro tour
cause it's to easy
teddy cruz can't cast so he trolls
and you aint even gots a motor bro

was born at joint afb
so i guess i'm a southern boy at heart
glad i got the fuck out
flags stupid it's a loser legacy
it's a tool for rachet redknecks try and feel good about
carrying the burden of racist fail and low iq's

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.frenchyConfederate States of AMERICA.... Sounds pretty American to me. dumbass.

They were both still American.... They both had different views.

and nocturnal just do yourself a favor and shut the hell up lol

If the south won, then the Union and the Confederate states would be two different countries.

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S.J.WIf the south won, then the Union and the Confederate states would be two different countries.

I don't know why you're still posting obviously Frenchy doesn't get that its a rebel group that lost a war.

But at the same time it's pretty clear you're just researching stuff on Google on the fly and then posting in this thread. I already clearly explain what the main reason of the Civil War was about and it was explained to him why he is wrong in believing the flag stands for what it stands for. He made the choice to not listen and still wants to believe what he wants to believe, that's where this conversation end. There's no point in your post.

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