Why the HELL are amateur skiers better than most pro's today?

Stacks_i think a lot of pros know that they're at the top and aren't necessarily taking anything for granted but won't put as much effort into an edit as an am will who is trying to get themselves out there. Someone younger with more excitement and a fresher outlook on the sport is likely to make a more entertaining edit, especially if they're at a big shoot or event and are really trying to make a good impression on those around them as a skier.

VinnieF*insert list of x-games slopestyle contenders here*

what ams are better than pretty much any of them at park?

adamwolynAre you kidding me? Their rail game is almost completely composed of 2 on 2 off or switch 2 on 2 off. And all they do on jumps are corks or rodeos. The only grabs they do blunts japans and mutes. Rarely do they step out of comfort zone of these 3 grabs.

Like yeah they can throw triples but so can the rest of them in the same exact ways and their landings are almost perfect in the sense of composure but they have no style whatsoever. They fail to have any innovation or divergence from the norm. All their runs are almost exactly the same. Antti ollila is the only one who did a swap on a rail. There was only one or two forward rotation thrown this year. They all are limited to the same tricks. The only thing that separated wallisch from everyone else was his after bang and honestly it wasn't even that prevalent. If he had more afterbang he would have lost points for a "bad" landing.

Top notch competition skiing is just another aspect and they all suck at it. Ams are part of another aspect that is so much more colorful. If you actually look at videos of ams their rail game is so much better. They can really throw down such crazy shit with steeze. Some can even throw down sick bios and double bios which those xgames skiers can't.

Just because they ski at a higher level with bigger features doesn't mean they're better. It's just a different focus on skiing and they suck at it. Open up your eyes man.

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adamwolynAre you kidding me? Their rail game is almost completely composed of 2 on 2 off or switch 2 on 2 off. And all they do on jumps are corks or rodeos. The only grabs they do blunts japans and mutes. Rarely do they step out of comfort zone of these 3 grabs.

Like yeah they can throw triples but so can the rest of them in the same exact ways and their landings are almost perfect in the sense of composure but they have no style whatsoever. They fail to have any innovation or divergence from the norm. All their runs are almost exactly the same. Antti ollila is the only one who did a swap on a rail. There was only one or two forward rotation thrown this year. They all are limited to the same tricks. The only thing that separated wallisch from everyone else was his after bang and honestly it wasn't even that prevalent. If he had more afterbang he would have lost points for a "bad" landing.

Top notch competition skiing is just another aspect and they all suck at it. Ams are part of another aspect that is so much more colorful. If you actually look at videos of ams their rail game is so much better. They can really throw down such crazy shit with steeze. Some can even throw down sick bios and double bios which those xgames skiers can't.

Just because they ski at a higher level with bigger features doesn't mean they're better. It's just a different focus on skiing and they suck at it. Open up your eyes man.

adamwolynPro skiers are just soo damn boring these days! Their tricks are repetitive and boring. These days if you watch a pro edit you will see a bunch of flat 5s and corks with blunt grabs and that shit is sooo fucking unoriginal and goddamn annoying to watch.

Every am' in super unknown was hella impressive and creative. They showed us shots of things that we dont normally see in edits. They all had something new to offer to the sport! In some cases, the edits made us ask what has happened to skiing? Kellan Baker's edit did that to me. Some shots had some of the most afterbanged landings Ive seen in years. And all the fancy switch ups and fast rotations made me wonder why nobody can throw those down anymore.

Does anybody follow Drink Butter on instagram? I recommend them because they are really in touch with what the core of skiing is today? They show mini edits of amateur skiers that throw down far better than pro's can! Max Finn comes to mind.

Anybody heard of Simen gjelsvik? His new edit is only 2-3 minutes long but im pretty sure you havent seen almost all of the tricks done in that video before. Every shot is an absolute mind fuck!

Most of the kids on the Tall t team and Revision Team have so much damn creativity and style its ridiculous! In one instaedit, Keagen Kilbride throws down all these crazy double bios and stuff! All those kids fucking impress! Jason Stadler kills it! Quinn wolferman shreds! Sam Zahner throws down!

Anyone seen TallT Truday's? Shit is mostly lip blind Truu's (Truuuuuu) but the way they are done is sylish as hell! That crew fucking impresses! They are doing something right and whatever it is, it is interesting and makes me love skiing!

And dont get me started on all those guys over at Ruka! At one point it seemed like every other day I was watching someone land a trick that we all thought wasnt possible. Those guys are innovative as Hell and pushing the limits of what we can achieve on skis!

I can go for days about this but I have other things to do.

Im pretty sure most of these guys are am's but if some arent please correct me. Even if they are, they arent that well known and these guys need to get a lot more credit for what they are doing! They are keeping skiing alive for me as so many pro's are getting boring!

There are still pro's that are doing what these guys are doing which is great! Phil casabon, Henrik Harlaut, Vincent Gagnier, Adam Delorme, Ahmet dadali, Mike Hornbeck, Antti Ollila, Karl Fostvedt, and many others come to mind. Hell some people bash on steve stepp for not being able to double (he can) but his series are honestly one of the more interesting things to watch these days!

Many are afraid that quads will kill the spirit and soul of skiing. I believe that these amateurs are what's keeping it alive and awesome today!

Maybe Im wrong... I personally have the shittiest style at my mountain ( anybody at snowbowl will tell you that in a heartbeat!!). If you disagree, tell me in the comments.

adamwolynAnybody heard of Simen gjelsvik? His new edit is only 2-3 minutes long but im pretty sure you havent seen almost all of the tricks done in that video before. Every shot is an absolute mind fuck!

shin-bangThis thread has toooo many long paragraphs

LoeyCome back when you see Oystein Braten ski.

shin-bangThis thread has toooo many long paragraphs

californiagrowna comp skier must stomp 4 big jump tricks on huge jumps in shitty conditions, and 3 big rail tricks on huge features in shitty conditions all in one continuous run.


the AMs you talk about have 50 tries to get one shot on a medium size feature. they then go and spend some time trying to get another shot by trying it 50 times to get it just right.

adamwolynfucking impresses!

adamwolynYou can't tell me you seriously see a difference from Gus ken worthy, bobby brown, nick goepper, McRae Williams, Russ henshaw, joss Christensen, and other ones I can't recall at the moment.

shin-bangThis thread has toooo many long paragraphs

adamwolyn. If one of them started throwing bios and mistys

DeebieSkeebiesI think pros like Eric Pollard, Pep, and some of the nimbus guys to name a few stand out more to me than some kid who is up and coming and is winning every comp one can physically do. Pros like that have created their own unique styles of riding that are very fun to enjoy. Although I do enjoy am edits that are insane, I think I enjoy dudes like thall or sean pettit more because they just simply ski in such different entertaining way than kids who just huck meat on park jumps.

kyleisaskier^don't completely disagree with the original topic but nick goepper has a bag of tricks larger then bigfoot's dick. One of the only people Ive ever seen do double mistys

adamwolynhella creative and sick!

californiagrowna comp skier must stomp 4 big jump tricks on huge jumps in shitty conditions, and 3 big rail tricks on huge features in shitty conditions all in one continuous run.


the AMs you talk about have 50 tries to get one shot on a medium size feature. they then go and spend some time trying to get another shot by trying it 50 times to get it just right.