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WHEN YOU BUY NEW SKIS AND THE COMPANY DOESNT CENTRE MOUNT

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tomorton9
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so i bought armada thalls online from aussie skier, specifically asking for centre mount it even said centre mount on the reciect. but the mounter them at recommended 2.5 back... like serious wtf. anyway what can i do? can i get a refund? how much would the 2.5 cms back affect rails and/or jumps etc?
Jun 4 2015 6:58AM
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pj21
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Hey mate chill out. First of all are you sure you asked for a centre mount? also, most skis are directional and I know for a fact that the thalls are, so mounting them a little back will actually help the ski perform better. Skiers like Russ Henshaw and almost all the pros you can think of mount their ski's 1 - 3 centimetres back. You'll be fine on rails as mounting centre only really helps for skiing switch on a symmetrical ski as it allows you to have the same amount of ski in front as you do out back . It won't effect your balance or anything if thats what you're worried about.

All the staff at Aussie Skier know what they are doing and I'm sure it was just a simple mistake so email them politely and ask for them to remount only if you are really eager to have your ski's centre mounted, but as I said above it's really not a big deal.
Jun 4 2015 7:16AM
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pj21
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ElbowkushHey mate chill out. First of all are you sure you asked for a centre mount? also, most skis are directional and I know for a fact that the thalls are, so mounting them a little back will actually help the ski perform better. Skiers like Russ Henshaw and almost all the pros you can think of mount their ski's 1 - 3 centimetres back. You'll be fine on rails as mounting centre only really helps for skiing switch on a symmetrical ski as it allows you to have the same amount of ski in front as you do out back . It won't effect your balance or anything if thats what you're worried about.

All the staff at Aussie Skier know what they are doing and I'm sure it was just a simple mistake so email them politely and ask for them to remount only if you are really eager to have your ski's centre mounted, but as I said above it's really not a big deal.


Also on jumps 2.5cm won't make a massive difference.
Jun 4 2015 7:17AM
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Kim_Jong_Un
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unlucky tort i reckon you should just burn them
Jun 4 2015 7:31AM
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Flowbear
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I feel you companies and shops just treat everyone as if they don't know what they're talking about and do what they think is best without consulting the customer, which kinda sucks.You just have to be extremely firm about the mount position when getting them done.

If you're more of an all mountain guy 2.5 is fine you'll get used to it, but if your solid park rat mainly rails I wouldn't go over 1 cm back, I would try to get money back or remounted centre. for jumps having back mount is nothing not noticeable but on rails when you have that extra bit of ski in front you notice it when doing switch ups and stuff, it also affects your switch riding a bit. Imagine riding with your skis 2.5cm forward mount, it would suck LOL.
Jun 4 2015 8:34AM
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loganimlach
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if you have proof that you requested center mount, then they should take them back and give you properly mounted skis on their dime.

my guess is that i believe the markings on the thall are at -2.5 and -5 and they were just being lazy and put them on the further forward marking.

you wont see a noticeable difference in sidecut from -2.5 to center, but if you do venture outside the park on them at all -2.5 is probably preferable to give you just a little more nose. if they're going to live in the park, then fuck that, they should take them back and give you a center mounted pair.
Jun 4 2015 8:55AM
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ggfski42
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Did you specify TRUE center? If you just said center mount... that is not specific enough. Anyway, I am sorry they messed up your skis. You wont notice much of a difference at all, i ride my park skis -2cm right now because of previous mounts and i like em just fine.
Jun 4 2015 9:25AM
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filipoio
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Just get them remounted... really not a big deal
Jun 4 2015 12:53PM
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Mr.Bishop
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ggfski42Did you specify TRUE center? If you just said center mount... that is not specific enough. Anyway, I am sorry they messed up your skis. You wont notice much of a difference at all, i ride my park skis -2cm right now because of previous mounts and i like em just fine.


Shops are awful with this. I mount all my own skis now so I can get it right.

I used to literally walk into the back with the guy and say "Dude when I say center I mean center. Give me your tape measure." I would then measure the ski tip to tail and draw a line and say "There."

Most shop techs who don't ride a lot of park will simply put it on the 'progressive mount' that companies suggest for park skis. Hell, I even know that a ski might ride better at that mounting point... but when you want center then fuck 'em all and get center.

However you really can NEVER leave it up to the shop unless the guy you see about to mount your skis is wearing like 8 7xl tall T's stacked up with full tilts on in the shop and Session 1242 looping in the background.

Even then he might give you suggested mount because he's afraid you're just a regular joey who isn't going to appreciate a true center mounted ski.
Jun 4 2015 2:08PM
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LC.
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Mr.BishopI used to literally walk into the back with the guy and say "Dude when I say center I mean center. Give me your tape measure." I would then measure the ski tip to tail and draw a line and say "There."


Please don't do this. Draw a line at home and be polite.
Jun 4 2015 3:38PM
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Mr.Bishop
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BoaxPlease don't do this. Draw a line at home and be polite.


Listen I was a ski tech myself for a while. The number of times I've had skis mounted wrong is disgusting. Sure its great if you have the skis at home - but if you buy them from the shop they're right there. Techs get this wrong so many times I do not feel bad in the slightest about doing it.

I mean when someone drills a shitload of holes in a product that costs $700 which are completely in the wrong place that is utter bullshit. You save yourself time, frustration and ensure the shop doesn't have to pay money when you're abundantly clear about what you want.

I do feel bad if a tech knows what is up, but at least back when I went to shops it would get done wrong about 80% of the time without actually measuring right beside the guy.
Jun 4 2015 4:22PM
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Flowbear
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Agreed with Bishop you have to be damn clear with it, they screw up way too much, I'd usually watch them do it to make sure they did centre if it wasn't busy and they could do it right away, or I'd mark the center prior if not already on the ski, and physically point to where I wanted it. Eventually they just knew where to mount every time I brought in a pair of park skis and no confusion or screw ups were had!
Jun 4 2015 5:04PM
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Bonzalo
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Mr.BishopListen I was a ski tech myself for a while. The number of times I've had skis mounted wrong is disgusting. Sure its great if you have the skis at home - but if you buy them from the shop they're right there. Techs get this wrong so many times I do not feel bad in the slightest about doing it.


Last time I mounted a pair of skis I went to the shop and stayed right with the tech watching over every single thing he did. I don't care if it annoyed the guy ( I don't think so since I was very polite and talkative) but I had so many bad experiences with this kind of stuff that now I just want to make sure they are doing the exact thing I want them to.

You just have to give some time of yours in order to get your equipment working correctly and just like you want.
Jun 4 2015 5:14PM
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Burgy
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when I was getting my skis mounted this season I made sure to get the employee to write down in big letters MEASURED CENTER on my skis. When I got home I was still nervous, even after telling practically every one at the shop to mount my skies measured center. I wanted to call the shop to make sure they didn't fuck up, but I didn't want to sound like an obsessive prick. I decided to call the shop up, and good thing I did, cause the guy was gona mount my skis side cut center....
Jun 4 2015 5:50PM
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grilled_steeze
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shouldn't make a huge difference, you'll just look a little bit like a jerry with non-centered twins
Jun 4 2015 6:34PM
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mmallender.
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ElbowkushHey mate chill out. First of all are you sure you asked for a centre mount? also, most skis are directional and I know for a fact that the thalls are, so mounting them a little back will actually help the ski perform better. Skiers like Russ Henshaw and almost all the pros you can think of mount their ski's 1 - 3 centimetres back. You'll be fine on rails as mounting centre only really helps for skiing switch on a symmetrical ski as it allows you to have the same amount of ski in front as you do out back . It won't effect your balance or anything if thats what you're worried about.

All the staff at Aussie Skier know what they are doing and I'm sure it was just a simple mistake so email them politely and ask for them to remount only if you are really eager to have your ski's centre mounted, but as I said above it's really not a big deal.


ElbowkushAlso on jumps 2.5cm won't make a massive difference.


big difference or not, regardless of where pros ride, if he asked for true centre, and is sure, with proof that he asked for a true centre mount, they should be centre mounted, and if they arent, the shop should be paying to have new skis mounted where he originally asked.

i just bought a pair of bindings off a buddy and told him id save him the trouble and take his old beat as fuck skis off and give him the skis back after, and i found an extra set of half drilled holes in his skis, which the shop didnt tell him about when they he picked them up. if that was me id be pissed.
Jun 4 2015 7:44PM
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Mr.Bishop
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Burgywhen I was getting my skis mounted this season I made sure to get the employee to write down in big letters MEASURED CENTER on my skis. When I got home I was still nervous, even after telling practically every one at the shop to mount my skies measured center. I wanted to call the shop to make sure they didn't fuck up, but I didn't want to sound like an obsessive prick. I decided to call the shop up, and good thing I did, cause the guy was gona mount my skis side cut center....



I mean if you know what you want then you need to make sure you get it. In the end, you are the customer.

I wouldn't recommend dead center for any average skier, and I think a lot of shop employees tend to want to make you less of a park rat or something like that. Most of the time they would be right that people are going to hate dead center. However if you're a park person and ride switch a ton, there's nothing like it. I still mount all my park skis dead center no matter how they're built.

Shops are very understandably not structured for this as they cater to the average skier. I'm sure if you were in slope style (Krance's shop in breck) you have zero problems. Anywhere else and the shop employee is going to feel irresponsible giving you a true dead center park mount as most skis actually lose forwards petformance in this position.
Jun 4 2015 7:54PM
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pj21
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Mr.BishopListen I was a ski tech myself for a while. The number of times I've had skis mounted wrong is disgusting. Sure its great if you have the skis at home - but if you buy them from the shop they're right there. Techs get this wrong so many times I do not feel bad in the slightest about doing it.

I mean when someone drills a shitload of holes in a product that costs $700 which are completely in the wrong place that is utter bullshit. You save yourself time, frustration and ensure the shop doesn't have to pay money when you're abundantly clear about what you want.

I do feel bad if a tech knows what is up, but at least back when I went to shops it would get done wrong about 80% of the time without actually measuring right beside the guy.


I'm sorry but you sound like a rude ignorant asshole.
Jun 4 2015 8:41PM
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tomorton9
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ElbowkushHey mate chill out. First of all are you sure you asked for a centre mount? also, most skis are directional and I know for a fact that the thalls are, so mounting them a little back will actually help the ski perform better. Skiers like Russ Henshaw and almost all the pros you can think of mount their ski's 1 - 3 centimetres back. You'll be fine on rails as mounting centre only really helps for skiing switch on a symmetrical ski as it allows you to have the same amount of ski in front as you do out back . It won't effect your balance or anything if thats what you're worried about.

All the staff at Aussie Skier know what they are doing and I'm sure it was just a simple mistake so email them politely and ask for them to remount only if you are really eager to have your ski's centre mounted, but as I said above it's really not a big deal.


Mr.BishopI mean if you know what you want then you need to make sure you get it. In the end, you are the customer.

I wouldn't recommend dead center for any average skier, and I think a lot of shop employees tend to want to make you less of a park rat or something like that. Most of the time they would be right that people are going to hate dead center. However if you're a park person and ride switch a ton, there's nothing like it. I still mount all my park skis dead center no matter how they're built.

Shops are very understandably not structured for this as they cater to the average skier. I'm sure if you were in slope style (Krance's shop in breck) you have zero problems. Anywhere else and the shop employee is going to feel irresponsible giving you a true dead center park mount as most skis actually lose forwards petformance in this position.


what would happen if i got them remounted? are there holes all through it?
Jun 4 2015 8:54PM
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davd
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Doing tort youve never railed in your life
Jun 4 2015 9:12PM
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losh
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ElbowkushI'm sorry but you sound like a rude ignorant asshole.


Of anyone on this site to call a rude ignorant asshole you call bishop ignorant? Damn dude remember, you wouldn't even be here having this conversation if it wasn't for bishop. So who's actually the ignorant one here?
Jun 4 2015 9:25PM
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tomPietrowski
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Mr.BishopShops are awful with this. I mount all my own skis now so I can get it right.

I used to literally walk into the back with the guy and say "Dude when I say center I mean center. Give me your tape measure." I would then measure the ski tip to tail and draw a line and say "There."

Most shop techs who don't ride a lot of park will simply put it on the 'progressive mount' that companies suggest for park skis. Hell, I even know that a ski might ride better at that mounting point... but when you want center then fuck 'em all and get center.

However you really can NEVER leave it up to the shop unless the guy you see about to mount your skis is wearing like 8 7xl tall T's stacked up with full tilts on in the shop and Session 1242 looping in the background.

Even then he might give you suggested mount because he's afraid you're just a regular joey who isn't going to appreciate a true center mounted ski.


Haha my favourite type of customer. I'll recomend that uniform and atmosphere to my boss and see if he goes for it, does sound like a dope shop to work at
Jun 4 2015 9:29PM
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tomPietrowski
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Also just to add

I have no issues with where any one wants there skis mounted, it's your ski have it where you want it.

But having to have it exact to the mm really makes no difference. So many people I mount for, customers I should add not pro's want the mounts so precise like to the exact mm (Jon haha). If it's off by 1mm from true center IT WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

i mount a ton of test skis for myself and with my stuff I'm pretty lazy or I'm rushing so most of my skis are mounted "around" center and I can never tell any difference. If you get skis mounted and they are a couple of mm off or a mm or too off each other Don't worry. Jigs have some give an we are still eyeballing things so expect some slight offset.
Jun 4 2015 9:36PM
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yungcigsmoker
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tomPietrowskiAlso just to add

I have no issues with where any one wants there skis mounted, it's your ski have it where you want it.

But having to have it exact to the mm really makes no difference. So many people I mount for, customers I should add not pro's want the mounts so precise like to the exact mm (Jon haha). If it's off by 1mm from true center IT WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

i mount a ton of test skis for myself and with my stuff I'm pretty lazy or I'm rushing so most of my skis are mounted "around" center and I can never tell any difference. If you get skis mounted and they are a couple of mm off or a mm or too off each other Don't worry. Jigs have some give an we are still eyeballing things so expect some slight offset.


Just curious, what's the worst ski you've ever rode? Haha
Jun 4 2015 9:38PM
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tomPietrowski
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Prototype_1Just curious, what's the worst ski you've ever rode? Haha


Haha I was just trying to think and it's quite hard but then one "carving all mtn" ski did spring to mind, but to be kind to Onenerdykid I won't say what it was exactly :)
Jun 4 2015 9:41PM
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Mr.Bishop
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ElbowkushI'm sorry but you sound like a rude ignorant asshole.


I mean fair enough on that call-out for how I've been presenting myself in this thread. I can completely understand your point of view based on the assumptions you've made of me currently.

However - I would like to assure you that in no circumstance have I ever (to my knowledge) come off as a rude ignorant asshole.

When I've done this in the past I've been incredibly friendly with the techs - engaged them in conversation and told them that I'm extremely picky about the mount point of my skis. I've stated that I've had bad experiences in the past and that I'm just ensuring that I get exactly what I want given the fact that I have some unmounted expensive product in my hands - whether I bought it or it was given to me for free.

Before I mattered in the ski industry I would simply say that I was massively particular, and then engage in an awesome conversation about how much I loved park skiing and how I liked my gear. Most of the techs loved this conversation, and were curious (if they didn't understand) about why I liked what I liked.

After I established myself as an industry person, I engaged them in conversation not only about how I like my skis, but about how my job at Newschoolers works - and what people involved in our community like. Most of them found this at least moderately helpful towards other customers they may receive.

I always make sure to tell every tech that helps me out since I've gotten status in the industry that what they do is the backbone of our sport, and that if they ever need anything to reach out to me and I will help wherever it is humanly possible.

So yes, from what I've said I can see how you think what you do - and I still really encourage others to demand the mount point that they want to protect their investment - but trust me, I am neither ignorant nor an asshole.
Jun 4 2015 10:23PM
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Mr.Bishop
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tomorton9what would happen if i got them remounted? are there holes all through it?


The more holes in your skis the shorter their lifespan is going to be.

That being said - If you're shredding park skis all the time, a few holes is paltry in comparison to rail/street damage. If you're trashing the shit out of them, then who gives a shit about a few holes. Them bitches aint going to last more than a season or two at best. So fuck it.

Your real problem with extra holes is water seeping into the core. Plugging holes properly prevents this (and its a super simple thing to do) but more holes = less life out of the ski.

If a shop were to take a brand new set of sticks that you were planning on using for 5 years, fuck that up and plug it to make good? Bullshit. New skis or GTFO.

If you're remounting a set of street sticks / something you're just going to jib the fuck out of on rails / summer setup - then whatever doesn't matter. The good prospects of the skis will be so dead before they break from water damage it hardly matters.

Dig?
Jun 4 2015 10:30PM
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Mr.Bishop
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tomPietrowskiHaha my favourite type of customer. I'll recomend that uniform and atmosphere to my boss and see if he goes for it, does sound like a dope shop to work at


Hahahha... dude one day you need to check out Slope Style in Breck - its basically the most core ski shop ever. Off the charts awesome and core.

Seriously though, we need to hype you up as the guy in Whistler for any legit NSer to talk to at a shop. 11/10 would recommend.
Jun 4 2015 10:33PM
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T.L.
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I learned this the hard way when I first started skiing. Told a shop I wanted them center mounted and they mounted them up like rentals. The shop was super cool about it and fixed their mistake which was awesome.

However!!!

After working around a rental/tune shop for several years, I learned some vocabulary that probably would have made my wishes more clear to the tech guys.

Core center - The center point of the core profile of the particular ski in front of you. Usually marked by a factory-made line or indentation.

True center - Regardless of the core center or factory markings, true center would be your mid measurement tip to tail.

Anymore on a traditional camber twin I usually ride ~2cm+ core center. If you can tell your tech some specific like that, you're going to minimize confusion and you're going to get the mount that you wanted.
Jun 4 2015 10:53PM
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tomorton9
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Kim_Jong_Ununlucky tort i reckon you should just burn them


davdDoing tort youve never railed in your life


doing both of you
Jun 4 2015 11:13PM
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RRhighrider
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I always measure and mark lines on my skis with an arrow pointing toward the tip before I bring them in. Once in the shop, I ask to talk to the tech while I am filling out the paper work and show him the lines on the skis and chat about skiing. I get my ski mounted properly every time and get to meet someone else who loves skiing.
Jun 5 2015 12:53PM
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chief_queef
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Has anyone ever had skis mounted backwards? This happened to me a couple season ago and I was completely shocked that this kind of mistake happened/does happen.
Jun 5 2015 1:43PM
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RRhighrider
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chief_queefHas anyone ever had skis mounted backwards? This happened to me a couple season ago and I was completely shocked that this kind of mistake happened/does happen.


Yes, at a Sports Chalet in southern California. It was a huge pain in the ass to have them replace them. That is why I draw a arrow toward the tip now
Jun 5 2015 2:02PM
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infedel_one
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ElbowkushI'm sorry but you sound like a rude ignorant asshole.


Youre an ignorant prick. Do you know who you just called an asshole? Center* mounted as we say in the US makes a big difference on rails opposed to -2.5 in my experience.
Jun 5 2015 2:27PM
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McLS
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Dam I feel you man. But to be completely honest, you should have said true center, not center mount. But i'm sure they can give you another true center mounted pair. You gotta be careful with ski shops when it comes to riding, most of em will never get it right...I'm lucky enough to have freestyle ski ONLY ski shop at my hill, and I know they'd probably stop selling me anything if i asked them not to mount park skis true center xD
Jun 5 2015 6:34PM
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pj21
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Mr.BishopI mean fair enough on that call-out for how I've been presenting myself in this thread. I can completely understand your point of view based on the assumptions you've made of me currently.

However - I would like to assure you that in no circumstance have I ever (to my knowledge) come off as a rude ignorant asshole.

When I've done this in the past I've been incredibly friendly with the techs - engaged them in conversation and told them that I'm extremely picky about the mount point of my skis. I've stated that I've had bad experiences in the past and that I'm just ensuring that I get exactly what I want given the fact that I have some unmounted expensive product in my hands - whether I bought it or it was given to me for free.

Before I mattered in the ski industry I would simply say that I was massively particular, and then engage in an awesome conversation about how much I loved park skiing and how I liked my gear. Most of the techs loved this conversation, and were curious (if they didn't understand) about why I liked what I liked.

After I established myself as an industry person, I engaged them in conversation not only about how I like my skis, but about how my job at Newschoolers works - and what people involved in our community like. Most of them found this at least moderately helpful towards other customers they may receive.

I always make sure to tell every tech that helps me out since I've gotten status in the industry that what they do is the backbone of our sport, and that if they ever need anything to reach out to me and I will help wherever it is humanly possible.

So yes, from what I've said I can see how you think what you do - and I still really encourage others to demand the mount point that they want to protect their investment - but trust me, I am neither ignorant nor an asshole.


Okay now that I've got your attention, why do you hate on comp skiers?
Jun 8 2015 7:09AM
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Pac2
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its been my first year skiing and i rode progressive mounted skis which are a little back since i didnt know how to ski what so ever and by the end of the season i could do some 2s off both ways surface swaps backflips, 5s and some more stuff but im not sure how a center mount ski feels but i an definetly tell you that 2.5 back probably wont change much because when i slid rails and hit jumps they felt fine.
Jun 8 2015 7:54AM
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Mr.Bishop
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ElbowkushOkay now that I've got your attention, why do you hate on comp skiers?


Its not as black and white as you just described it.

However, that would be a huge thread derail. Feel free to bring it up somewhere else I've done so or create a new thread and I will gladly debate / explain the topic.
Jun 8 2015 12:22PM
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Hoodliving
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Ive had nothing but bad luck with my mounts, the one perfect one I had was on some s3's with demo bindings. Shop call out time, Mountainology on mt hood have no idea how to mount skis.. Probably because they're snowboarders who say they ski too. Had a pair mounted with a 2cm difference between the two and had fucked up plugged it and moved my mount to cover up the plugged holes. Found out 5 months later when I snapped the ski and took binders off, they offered me another mount free on my next pair I brought in. Being a nice guy and supporting our new local shop I give them another go, I ask for true dead center of the ski... I get it center of effective edge on a early rise nose normal camber tail, it pushed me about 5cms back from true center. I was livid the shop gave me excuses saying it was true tape pull center etc etc. Wouldn't even offer me a new pair of skis or store credit what have you. Ended up just saying screw this shop and dealt with the holes, as bishop said the holes aren't gonna matter with rail and riding damage.
Jun 8 2015 12:39PM
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