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Elmers paper glue- fact or fiction

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shin-bang
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so i was talking to this dude at my shop a while ago, and he said that you put just like some elmers paper glue inside the binding holes before you screw the binding in. note he works at the shop and i mildly trust him. is this true? and say i were to take my bindings off, and then decide i want to put them back on would i be able to just use something to keep the water out, then carefully screw them back in? or would i need like the holes retapped or something?

tl;dr - does elmers paper glue work for the binding holes
- and can i take bindings off now(and not ride the ski or anything) leave the holes open, and rescrew them back into the holes carefully and with some sort of substance to keep the water out
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May 17 2015 11:58PM
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.lencon
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Your tl;dr is half the size of the op
May 18 2015 12:01AM
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shin-bang
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.lenconYour tl;dr is half the size of the op


sorry fam hahahahahha
May 18 2015 12:01AM
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jca
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yep, the binding's retention to the ski is from the screw expanding the hole. ive heard of people not using any glue, but I use wood glue personally.
May 18 2015 12:19AM
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hippystinx
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the glue is their rather to seal the hole than to actually act as an addition force for binding retention. Trying to keep water out of the core is a generally good idea.
May 18 2015 10:02AM
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shin-bang
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hippystinxthe glue is their rather to seal the hole than to actually act as an addition force for binding retention. Trying to keep water out of the core is a generally good idea.


Well yes, I undeRostand it keeps the water out, but is elmers glue the correct substance to use?and to put the binding back in its holes I wouldn't need to retap them or anything right?
May 18 2015 10:33AM
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division.bell
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.WashingtonWell yes, I undeRostand it keeps the water out, but is elmers glue the correct substance to use?and to put the binding back in its holes I wouldn't need to retap them or anything right?


Why do you want to take the bindings off only to put them back on in the first place? Does this have something to do with your desire to regrease your FKS bindings?

If the originally drilled holes aren't compromised when you pull the bindings, you can carefully screw the bindings back on the skis. Just make sure the holes are clean and the screws go in straight and follow the original threads. Go slow and be sure to not over tighten as you'll likely strip out the threading.

And as jca stated above, I also use wood glue when mounting skis. Titebond to be specific.
May 18 2015 11:18AM
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shin-bang
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division.bellWhy do you want to take the bindings off only to put them back on in the first place? Does this have something to do with your desire to regrease your FKS bindings?

If the originally drilled holes aren't compromised when you pull the bindings, you can carefully screw the bindings back on the skis. Just make sure the holes are clean and the screws go in straight and follow the original threads. Go slow and be sure to not over tighten as you'll likely strip out the threading.

And as jca stated above, I also use wood glue when mounting skis. Titebond to be specific.

Nah I plan on trying to take off my barons off my crjs Cus they're old, shaky, and unreliable. So I have a ton money tied up in that touring setup, and I was gonna take the barons off and try to sell them, and if they didn't sell I would rescrew them back on. And if they did sell I would take them to a shop and mount some fks and then try to sell my skins too. So no it doesn't have to do with greasing. But thank you for the response. so have you ever heard of anyone using paper elmers glue ?
May 18 2015 11:47AM
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Zurg
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jcayep, the binding's retention to the ski is from the screw expanding the hole. ive heard of people not using any glue, but I use wood glue personally.


Wood glue for the win
May 18 2015 11:55AM
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hippystinx
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So when I worked in a shops we also used tite bond. I personally have used anything from silicon to epoxy to seal a screw just depending upon what I had at the time. But wood glue is the happy medium
May 18 2015 12:12PM
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.Hugo.
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.WashingtonNah I plan on trying to take off my barons off my crjs Cus they're old, shaky, and unreliable. So I have a ton money tied up in that touring setup, and I was gonna take the barons off and try to sell them, and if they didn't sell I would rescrew them back on. And if they did sell I would take them to a shop and mount some fks and then try to sell my skins too. So no it doesn't have to do with greasing. But thank you for the response. so have you ever heard of anyone using paper elmers glue ?


Or you could just not take them off until they sell....
May 18 2015 12:44PM
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shin-bang
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Fred_BearOr you could just not take them off until they sell....

But I'm back and forth on whether I want to sell my touring setup. Cus I don't your all that much and its a long story fam
May 18 2015 1:30PM
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rozboon
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hippystinxSo when I worked in a shops we also used tite bond. I personally have used anything from silicon to epoxy to seal a screw just depending upon what I had at the time. But wood glue is the happy medium


Silicon and epoxy are both a recipe for a bad time - if the silicon is too goopy to move around the screw you risk pushing a "nipple" on the bottom of your ski. With epoxy you can potentially bond the screw to the core which means if you ever want to remove the screw for some reason it makes a giant mess and leaves an oversized hole in the core.
May 18 2015 6:26PM
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shin-bang
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rozboonSilicon and epoxy are both a recipe for a bad time - if the silicon is too goopy to move around the screw you risk pushing a "nipple" on the bottom of your ski. With epoxy you can potentially bond the screw to the core which means if you ever want to remove the screw for some reason it makes a giant mess and leaves an oversized hole in the core.


so rozboon would you recommend white paper glue? and no need to like retap the holes or anything?
May 18 2015 7:32PM
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rozboon
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Any PVA wood glue is completely fine.
It will effectively seal the hole but it doesn't actually stick very well to a steel screw so when it comes time to remove them you just have to "crack" the screws and they'll back straight out.

If you don't know exactly what you're doing I wouldn't go within 10ft of the holes with a tap, if you f*ck it up you'll end up with incredibly weak threads. Running a bottoming tap through the hole can be a nice way to clean the threads out but you can mess it up. Likewise when you're screwing the bindings back on, make sure that the screw starts on the existing thread instead of cutting a new one - the simplest way to do this is to turn the screw backwards with very light pressure on it, you will feel the screw drop into the hole slightly when the thread start points meet.

Personally I wouldn't use paper glue, unless they're basically talking about a plain old PVA glue, not the runny clear gel shit.
May 18 2015 10:49PM
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Muggydude
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Do not use elemers paper glue....

Get a good, waterproof wood glue. I personally use gorrila's waterproof wood glue
May 19 2015 12:19PM
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Skroob
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MuggydudeDo not use elemers paper glue....

Get a good, waterproof wood glue. I personally use gorrila's waterproof wood glue


Except that gorilla glue expands and could push a gap in between the ski and binding.
May 19 2015 3:08PM
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Muggydude
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EggsOverSteezyExcept that gorilla glue expands and could push a gap in between the ski and binding.


Yes. Original Gorilla glue expands (i.e. their super glue).

Gorilla brand wood glue does not expand. Just like every other wood glue...
May 19 2015 5:27PM
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Calb3rt
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elmers glue is water soluble, wood glue is water proof, and we all know snow is the solid state of water..
May 23 2015 11:55PM
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shin-bang
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Calb3rtelmers glue is water soluble, wood glue is water proof, and we all know snow is the solid state of water..


Btw the guy that I talked to works at the shop. I'm scared now
May 24 2015 12:37AM
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BWalmer
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I've used Elmers in a pinch, it works to create a seal, but wood glue is far superior. The point of the glue is to create a watertight seal in the treads preventing the wooden holes from rotting causing pull outs, since wood glue is water proof it works way better, but Elmers can still create this seal but will break down over time. I usually only use it when I'm in a rush and I know the skis aren't going to last long anyways (i.e. beater skis or its spring and I can redo the glue in the fall). As far as taking the bindings off, once you break the seal with the first torque of the screwdriver it'll come right out like a normal screw.
May 24 2015 11:04PM
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