SANDERS 2016

Why July 29 is such an important date to the Bernie Sanders campaign
As a crush of millennials crowded into a brewery near Nationals Park on Thursday night, a young man setting up a loudspeaker for Sen. Bernie Sanders took the microphone. "Testing. One. Two. Three. The political revolution is here."

The septuagenarian socialist who is disrupting the Democratic presidential race soon arrived and refined the message. The revolution is still coming, Sanders (I-Vt.) said. Hopefully on July 29.

On that Wednesday night, six months before the Iowa caucus, Sanders will livestream his case for the presidency to more than 1,500 simultaneous gatherings planned in bars, coffee shops and living rooms nationwide. The candidate's address will be followed by an organizational meeting for anyone who wants to stay online and discuss joining his campaign.

In only his third fundraiser since announcing his candidacy in April, Sanders on Thursday night cast his campaign to a room full of 20-somethings in D.C. as a proxy for registering deep dissatisfaction with the state of American politics and the nation's growing income inequality.

[Sanders message to America is not new]

Sanders addresses the crowd at his fundraiser Thursday in Washington. (Aaron Davis/The Washington Post)
"Our job is to ask why," Sanders said. "Why are we living in a society in which for the last 40 years the middle class in this country has been disappearing and almost all of the wealth and income are going to the people on top?"

Win or lose, Sanders said, "that's the question we have to ask, that's what this campaign is about."

Whether Sanders can use the Internet to build an effective campaign remains to be seen, and the effort will not come without stiff competition. Hillary Rodham Clinton has hired a Google executive to lead her digital campaign, and in many ways she is building on the extraordinary success of President Obama's online organization.

But there are signs Sanders has a base online to work from. In the first 24 hours of his campaign, 35,000 people donated an average of less than $44 apiece through his campaign Web site. After less than three months, he raised a total of $15 million, mostly from online donors who gave less than $200.

And the bulk of expenses for Sanders campaign so far have been to build up his online presence. He's spent $1.3 million on digital consulting and online advertisements.

Sanders aides say that it's all been building up to an event like the one on July 29 — something the Vermont Independent has long dreamed of.

Sanders has more than once paced his Senate office muttering to staffers that the only way a long-shot candidate like himself could reach enough people to be taken seriously would be to "beam himself into every living room" through the Internet, said Kenneth Pennington, a Senate aide who is now Sanders's digital director.

For a candidate who has called for a $1 trillion public works plan and eliminating college tuition, he cast his campaign's digital ambitions in no smaller terms, either. He said July 29 could be the country's biggest online political event and his message could transcend political parties

"What we are trying, as part of creating a political revolution, is creating a grass-roots movement of millions and millions of people," Sanders said. "On July 29 of this month, we will be holding what we believe will be the largest digital organizing event in the history of this country.

"We hope to have tens of thousands of people coming together to determine how they can develop movements in their local community," he said.

"This campaign is not simply about electing me, I hope we accomplish that, but that ain't the most important thing," Sanders said. "The most important thing is building a political movement in which millions of people who have given up on the political process, including a lot of young people, get involved?"

Republicans Terrified As Texas Demand For Bernie Sanders Forces Rally To A Bigger Venue

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has a message that is so popular that he was forced to move a rally in Texas to a larger venue to accommodate the growing crowd.

The Sanders campaign announced the change in venue for the Democratic candidate's Houston, TX rally on July 19, "With turnout projections mounting, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign has shifted the location of Sunday's town meeting in Houston, Texas, to the Hofheinz Pavilion."

These events were intended to be town hall meetings, but demand is so high that format has been getting changed to a campaign rally. I anticipate that the Houston event will also be more of a rally than a town hall.

Demand has also forced the campaign to move a Saturday rally in Phoenix to a larger venue, as the big crowds are showing no signs of diminishing for Bernie Sanders.

Republicans should be terrified of Bernie Sanders' popularity because Texas is the heart of the Republican Party. The state is demographically changing, but the reason Republicans should be worried about Sanders is that he is demonstrating the power of a liberal populist economic message in red states.

Bernie Sanders, the candidate, isn't what Republicans should be concerned about. The message that Sanders is bringing is what should strike fear into the GOP. Sanders talks about creating jobs, repealing Citizens United, raising wages for working people, equal pay for women. The Sanders message is that it is time to stand up to the billionaires and corporations and return the government back to the people.

If this message can find support in red states like Arizona and Texas, it can be successful all across the country.

Bernie Sanders is demonstrating that there is and huge demand among red state liberals for their candidates. Democrats and liberals in red states are often unfairly forgotten and lumped in with Republicans. Sen. Sanders is making an effort to campaign in front of these voters and ask for their support.

Be afraid Republicans, because Bernie Sanders is showing the country the potential power of liberal populist ideas in red states.

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DlCKHE IS OUR ONLY HOPE! IF YOU ARE 18 AND OLDER YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR SANDERS NEXT YEAR. FUCK THE MEDIA. FUCK THE "NOMINATIONS". VOTE SANDERS!

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https://berniesanders.com/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/bernie-sanders-inequality-president-interview

http://mic.com/articles/118292/millennials-are-with-bernie-sanders-on-almost-every-issue


SANDERS SANDERS SANDERS!!!!!

IM WRITING HIS NAME IN REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE BALLOT SAYS

DlCKITS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION! WE ARE THE MAJORITY!

THERE HAS NOW BEEN BLACK PRES BUT NEVER AN INDEPENDENT ONE!

HIS POSITION ON CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE SENATE IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME

AND HE UNDERSTANDS THE INTERNET TOO!

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/05/14/bernie-sanders-tops-gop-2016-announcements-online

DlCKITS ALL ABOUT PERSISTENCE. THE MEDIA IS MORE PERSISTENT BECAUSE ITS CONSTANT. WE HAVE TO IGNORE IT AND COMBAT IT BY BEING EQUALLY AS ANNOYING, I MEAN PERSISTENT.

DlCKidk about you but I want to have a chill life when im 50. shit will be bad if our generation doesnt make the right moves.

what will we do in 25 years? its our time.

Prototype_1If you can convince me as to why I should vote for him over flocka, then he will have my vote.

DlCKhe already has a dance named after him.

https://youtu.be/-MKhyM1aBrI

NikolausHe is exactly who we need in the White House. It's too bad that he doesn't really have a chance. Definitely voting for him in the primary

Prototype_1voting for him

DlCKYOU CANT HAVE THIS TYPE OF ATTITUDE. IT PERPETUATES THE PROBLEM.

cobra_commanderHe is a self declared socialist? Nothing like believing in a system that has led hundreds of millions of people to starvation...

Socialism fails, it always has, it always will. It fails to account for greed - a force of nature - and thus it always fails to greed. Capitalism not only acknowledges the existence of greed, it harnesses the power of greed to bring about public good.


Yes, student loan debt is a problem, but Mr Sanders solution would only perpetuate the problem. The availability of government backed student loans is the reason college tuition has skyrocketed. It is the same principle that caused housing prices to skyrocket in the 90s and early 2000s.

among other places I disagree with him.

Mr. Sanders is not an idiot, but he is a fool.

Caleb.EI think your a fool.

China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium



All of these are technically a socialist are are all some of the most successfully countries in the world.....ALL BETTER THAN AMERICA. Please tell me how these countries are all prospering to certain degree and we are failing?

Thank you cobra_comander for trying unwash these peoples brains I don't know if any of them even know what socialism is and what countries are actually socialist. The concept of socialism sounds wonderful but it has never worked or will ever work. And countries like the ones the ones Caleb.elisted are all democracy or republics, and everybody knows china is not doing good at all or better than the United States. Dont believe what me and cobra_commander are saying? Socialism doesn't have presidents for terms, socialism needs dictators which is against everything our country stands for. Just remember before you go running around screaming vote for sanders keep in mind there is a thin line between communism and socialism. Don't believe me? Just remember Syria, Iraq, and most importantly the NAZIS all said they were socialists.

cobra_commanderhahahahahahahaha

no

cobra_commanderHe is a self declared socialist? Nothing like believing in a system that has led hundreds of millions of people to starvation...

Socialism fails, it always has, it always will. It fails to account for greed - a force of nature - and thus it always fails to greed. Capitalism not only acknowledges the existence of greed, it harnesses the power of greed to bring about public good.


Yes, student loan debt is a problem, but Mr Sanders solution would only perpetuate the problem. The availability of government backed student loans is the reason college tuition has skyrocketed. It is the same principle that caused housing prices to skyrocket in the 90s and early 2000s.

among other places I disagree with him.

Mr. Sanders is not an idiot, but he is a fool.

Thank you

icculus.He is the only honest candidate who truly cares. I want a president who cares and who wants change. He does not put up with the bullshit you will see other candidates throwing. He has a much bigger chance of winning than you might think. I will be voting for him and you all better get your fucking heads straight and vote for him too. This is our chance to see some positive change in America, you all better not fuck this up.

Caleb.EAbsolutely I do. I will vote for the person who I believe will do the most for our country in a way that I feel is best. I don't vote along fucking worthless and meaning less party lines.

Honestly Trump is a better candidate then Sanders and Donald Trump and Ben Carson don't lie. I'm not going to vote trump but he's way better than Sanders.

C.SmithHonestly Trump is a better candidate then Sanders and Donald Trump and Ben Carson don't lie. I'm not going to vote trump but he's way better than Sanders.

6 things to know about Bernie Sanders
Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont is the longest-serving independent member of Congress in history. He has caucused with Democrats since his days as Vermont's lone congressman, beginning in 1991, but he considers himself a democratic socialist. As he prepares to launch his presidential campaign, here are some other things to know about the Vermont senator:

#Filibernie

Sanders gained Internet fame in 2010 with a nearly nine-hour Senate floor speech slamming a deal that included a tax-cut extension for the wealthy as "Robin Hood in reverse." The Senate video server crashed after Sanders' staff posted a livestream of his speech, known as the #Filibernie on Twitter, on the Sanders webpage. That fundraising quarter, Sanders quintupled his campaign funds. Nation Books published his words in The Speech, with authorial proceeds to go to Vermont charitable, non-profit organizations.

His family

Sanders is the son of a New York-born mother and Polish-Jewish immigrant father, who worked most of his life as a paint salesman. He has said his lower-middle-class upbringing in Brooklyn taught him what economic insecurity means to a family. He and his wife, Jane, have four children — Levi, Heather, Carina, and David — and seven grandchildren.

Religious background

He now says he is not actively involved in organized religion. But in terms of economic justice, he said, "I find myself very close to the teachings of Pope Francis." He described the pope as "incredibly smart and brave."

Scandinavia influences policy thinking

He believes lessons can be learned from the Scandinavian approach to governing and public policy. Namely, he says the U.S. should adopt the following principles: Treat health care as a right, provide higher education for free, protect the environment and reduce childhood poverty.

Odd jobs and early politics

Sanders worked as a carpenter, filmmaker, writer and researcher after moving to Vermont in the 1960s. He ran unsuccessfully for statewide offices several times in the 1970s as a member of the anti-war Liberty Union Party — the only party to which Sanders ever belonged — before his successful bid as an independent mayor of Burlington in 1981.

Recording artist

Sanders admits he can't carry a tune, but that didn't stop him from becoming a recording artist. Tracks that he recorded in 1987 with the former White Crow Studios — a studio that recorded early music by the band Phish — were re-released last year and are available on Amazon, iTunes, GooglePlay and CDBaby. The album, We Shall Overcome, features speeches about peace and justice delivered by Sanders as a choir sings 1950s and 60s protest songs.

No offense but if you would seriously consider Trump Im going to have a hard time taking anything you say seriously. Go read up on Socio-capitalism.

C.SmithThank you cobra_comander for trying unwash these peoples brains I don't know if any of them even know what socialism is and what countries are actually socialist. The concept of socialism sounds wonderful but it has never worked or will ever work. And countries like the ones the ones Caleb.elisted are all democracy or republics, and everybody knows china is not doing good at all or better than the United States. Dont believe what me and cobra_commander are saying? Socialism doesn't have presidents for terms, socialism needs dictators which is against everything our country stands for. Just remember before you go running around screaming vote for sanders keep in mind there is a thin line between communism and socialism. Don't believe me? Just remember Syria, Iraq, and most importantly the NAZIS all said they were socialists.

C.SmithThank you

So wait, you think that a Democracy/Republic cant be socialist? Im not sure you understand what socialism is Bud.

C.SmithThank you

C.SmithHonestly Trump is a better candidate then Sanders and Donald Trump and Ben Carson don't lie. I'm not going to vote trump but he's way better than Sanders.

You've lost all credibility.

Social democracy is a political ideology that officially has as its goal the establishment of democratic socialism through evolutionary methods. An example of this would be the Swedish Social Democratic Party, whose leader, Stefan Löfven, openly identifies as a "Socialist Democrat," and says he is "proud" to be a socialist. [1] "Social democracy" is often used to refer to the social and economic policies prominent in Western and Northern Europe during the latter half of the 20th century.[2][3] Equally, "Social democracy" has also come to be defined as a political ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, and a policy regime involving welfare state provisions, collective bargaining arrangements, regulation of the economy in the general interest, interventions to promote greater equality in the distribution of income and wealth, and a commitment to representative democracy.[4][5][6] Social democracy aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater egalitarian, democratic and solidaristic outcomes.[7] Sometimes these definitions are used together, sometimes they are used as alternatives to each other

coolflash8yup, i'll campaign for him like a mofo

Prototype_1voting for him

slugworthSanders 2016!! Threads for when im not on my phone

coolflash8sanders 2016

icculus.He is the only honest candidate who truly cares. I want a president who cares and who wants change. He does not put up with the bullshit you will see other candidates throwing. He has a much bigger chance of winning than you might think. I will be voting for him and you all better get your fucking heads straight and vote for him too. This is our chance to see some positive change in America, you all better not fuck this up.

Winners.

C.SmithHonestly Trump is a better candidate then Sanders and Donald Trump and Ben Carson don't lie. I'm not going to vote trump but he's way better than Sanders.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/06/17/why-no-one-should-take-donald-trump-seriously-in-1-very-simple-chart/

DlCKNo offense but if you would seriously consider Trump Im going to have a hard time taking anything you say seriously.

It takes a lot of effort on my part to not act the same for people who are considering voting for Sen Sanders. I'd consider you to think about the affect of such view points on the Political Spectrum.

Since I feel a bit more need to make this post relevent to Sen Sanders run for president here goes:
I find is campaign to be totally lacking in any substance greater than a bunch of feel good statements that find purchases in my generation's general sense of entitlement and instant gratification. Two issues I wish my generation would grow up and get over.

You are not entitled to a college education
You are not entitled to a job
You are not entitled to any standard of living
You are not entitled to healthcare
The only thing you are entitled to is the right to wake up each morning and try your fucking hardest, and then if you do that, maybe you might make yourself useful.

cobra_commanderIt takes a lot of effort on my part to not act the same for people who are considering voting for Sen Sanders. I'd consider you to think about the affect of such view points on the Political Spectrum.

Since I feel a bit more need to make this post relevent to Sen Sanders run for president here goes:
I find is campaign to be totally lacking in any substance greater than a bunch of feel good statements that find purchases in my generation's general sense of entitlement and instant gratification. Two issues I wish my generation would grow up and get over.

You are not entitled to a college education
You are not entitled to a job
You are not entitled to any standard of living
You are not entitled to healthcare
The only thing you are entitled to is the right to wake up each morning and try your fucking hardest, and then if you do that, maybe you might make yourself useful.

No one agrees with you. You are wrong on many levels.

Education and job creation is the foundation of a healthy economy. Its not about entilement, its about what will allow our nation to grow. Its about strengenthing the middle class.

Would an easily accessible education system not mean more educated workers?
Would a higher standard of living not equal a more productive population?
Would easily accessible healthcare not keep people healthy and working.

You are basically telling me that producing healthy educated citizens with a high standard of living shouldn't be a priority.

cobra_commanderI find is campaign to be totally lacking in any substance greater than a bunch of feel good statements that find purchases in my generation's general sense of entitlement and instant gratification.

You've missed a lot.

DlCKYou are basically telling me that producing healthy educated citizens with a high standard of living shouldn't be a priority.

No, I am not.

I am saying that tax payer funded healthcare, high minimum wages, and highly subsidized student loans are not the best way to go about doing that.

cobra_commanderNo, I am not.

I am saying that tax payer funded healthcare, high minimum wages, and highly subsidized student loans are not the best way to go about doing that.

Would you rather subsidize someone to get a bachelors in psychology for 4 years or a welder/electrician/plumber/computer tech for 2?

If all the millenials are smothered with college debt how do you expect them to stimulate the economy?

DlCKWould you rather subsidize someone to get a bachelors in psychology for 4 years or a welder/electrician/plumber/computer tech for 2?

If all the millenials are smothered with college debt how do you expect them to stimulate the economy?

I'm a millennial, college graduate, with zero student loans. It helps if you don't just go in blind because 'college is what you do after high school.' Also helps if you save money through school. Pretty hard to take care about someone complaining about student loans when they sip on a $4 latte.

For what it is worth, even with student loans, most college degrees have a very good ROI.

cobra_commanderI
You are not entitled to a college education
You are not entitled to a job
You are not entitled to any standard of living
You are not entitled to healthcare
The only thing you are entitled to is the right to wake up each morning and try your fucking hardest, and then if you do that, maybe you might make yourself useful.

EDUCATION IS A FUNDEMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT!!!!

See this is the problem with America in general. A complete lack of respect for the fellow citizen. America is built up to be the greatest nation on the planet, but it's a false dream. You need money to get anywhere in America. Americas system is basically a carefully crafted system to keep the poor poor, whilst the rich get all the benefits. A poor kid in the hood even if he wanted to and had the brain power to could never get a college education. His/her family doesn't have enough money to send him to college and doesn't have the financial backing to get a student loan.

9.8 million Americas are unemployed or under employed, whilst you still have 4.8 million possible jobs that can't be filled due a skills shortage.

There is a direct link between college and the unemployment rate.

Now if more people could afford college education what would happen to the economy?

You really don't need that much money to get a college degree.

Cultural issues are keeping that 'kid in the hood' from a four year degree more than the financial issues.

cobra_commanderI'm a millennial, college graduate, with zero student loans. It helps if you don't just go in blind because 'college is what you do after high school.' Also helps if you save money through school. Pretty hard to take care about someone complaining about student loans when they sip on a $4 latte.

For what it is worth, even with student loans, most college degrees have a very good ROI.

You are totally right about going in blind and not having priorities in Highschool but not having any student debt is not at all feasible for the majority of Americans.
Im assuming that while you were growing up your family never made less than $27,000 annually, which is the federal poverty line. If your family made substantially more than 30,000 annually while you were growing up your situation is far from that of the average american.

-If you make more than $10,000, you earn more than 24.2% of Americans, or 37 million people.
-If you make more than $15,000 (roughly the annual salary of a minimum-wage employee working 40 hours per week), you earn more than 32.2% of Americans.
-If you make more than $30,000, you earn more than 53.2% of Americans
-If you make more than $50,000, you earn more than 73.4% of Americans.
-If you make more than $100,000, you earn more than 92.6% of Americans.
-You are officially in the top 1% of American wage earners if you earn more than $250,000.
-The 894 people that earn more than $20 million make more than 99.99989% of Americans, and are compensated a cumulative $37,009,979,568 per year.

cobra_commanderCultural issues are keeping that 'kid in the hood' from a four year degree more than the financial issues.

This is such an ignorant statement. Shame.

cobra_commanderYou really don't need that much money to get a college degree.

Cultural issues are keeping that 'kid in the hood' from a four year degree more than the financial issues.

America is the biggest economy in the world, you have a higher per GDP than most counries who offer free/heavily subsidied education and yet you still claim that you can't afford it.

Don't you think it's strange that 50% of public schools are funded by the area property taxes. So rich kids get great schools and poor kids get shit schools. That's not fucking equality. It's not a social issue, it's a policy created to the rich can continue to be rich without having to worry about if the poor will take their jobs.

DlCKIm assuming that while you were growing up your family never made less than $27,000 annually

That would be false.

S.J.WAmerica is the biggest economy in the world, you have a higher per GDP than most counries who offer free/heavily subsidied education and yet you still claim that you can't afford it.

I have never said that we can't afford to provide free higher education. Just that we shouldn't.

S.J.WDon't you think it's strange that 50% of public schools are funded by the area property taxes. So rich kids get great schools and poor kids get shit schools. That's not fucking equality. It's not a social issue, it's a policy created to the rich can continue to be rich without having to worry about if the poor will take their jobs.

I'm not advocating equality. Equality fucking sucks. I will also tell you that 'rich' neighborhoods / school districts will generally vote for higher property taxes to pay for their local school districts will not. That should help highlight the cultural differences with regards to education. The greatest inequality in our culture is not going to be taxed away. It is the intellectual prowess and interest in education that is passed down the family. Smart people tend to get together with other smart people and have smart kids. They then pass down their culture of valuing education.

Any way, I don't have any interest in using 1/2 to 3/4 of my work week to pay for government funding of ok healthcare and ok education. Seriously, your equality concept sucks.

cobra_commanderI have never said that we can't afford to provide free higher education. Just that we shouldn't.



I'm not advocating equality. Equality fucking sucks. I will also tell you that 'rich' neighborhoods / school districts will generally vote for higher property taxes to pay for their local school districts will not. That should help highlight the cultural differences with regards to education. The greatest inequality in our culture is not going to be taxed away. It is the intellectual prowess and interest in education that is passed down the family. Smart people tend to get together with other smart people and have smart kids. They then pass down their culture of valuing education.

Any way, I don't have any interest in using 1/2 to 3/4 of my work week to pay for government funding of ok healthcare and ok education. Seriously, your equality concept sucks.

Lost any respect for you at "equality fucking sucks".

Hahahahah, smart people having smart kids. That's a complete lie. DNA only makes up about 30-50% of how our brain function. The other 50-70% is social.

Don't give me this bullshit of rich kids have higher standards when it comes to education. Rich kids are more likely to cheat on tests and have overall unethical behaviour.

When 1% of a nation owns 40% of a nation something isn't right. I'm not suggesting we go into a communist state, what am I saying however is the current system does not work. It is not fair and it all comes down to luck when being born. You could be the smartest man alive but being dirt poor, you will still be disadvtanged.

cobra_commanderThat would be false.

Pics or it didnt happen.

S.J.WLost any respect for you

I'm crushed I tell you, crushed.

S.J.WIt is not fair

No shit, neither is life.

S.J.Wyou will still be disadvtanged.

So adapt and overcome. Don't make bitch ass excuses, and waste away complaining.

cobra_commanderI'm crushed I tell you, crushed.



No shit, neither is life.



So adapt and overcome. Don't make bitch ass excuses, and waste away complaining.

But shoudln't everyone have equal chances to achieve the same level of succes? In Australia and other 1st world countries, you're poor not because of systamatic oppression and a system that is built to negatively affect you. You're poor because of your choices in life. The same can't be said for America...

S.J.WBut shoudln't everyone have equal chances to achieve the same level of succes? In Australia and other 1st world countries, you're poor not because of systamatic oppression and a system that is built to negatively affect you. You're poor because of your choices in life. The same can't be said for America...

Real Talk.

S.J.WBut shoudln't everyone have equal chances to achieve the same level of succes? In Australia and other 1st world countries, you're poor not because of systamatic oppression and a system that is built to negatively affect you. You're poor because of your choices in life. The same can't be said for America...

Systematic oppression? That is rich.

Often in America, you are poor or rich based on a mixture of the choices you and your parents made.

I'm not going to pretend that the USA does everything star spangled perfect. There are things we can improve upon. Cap gains taxing could be restructured in a way that encourages productivity. We could change up public education to hold it accountable for educating students. We could lower the inflated cost of healthcare in the US.
However, the answer is not "TAX THE RICH, MAKE BIG BUSINESS PAY, WE NEED EQUALITY"

cobra_commanderSystematic oppression? That is rich.

Often in America, you are poor or rich based on a mixture of the choices you and your parents made.

I'm not going to pretend that the USA does everything star spangled perfect. There are things we can improve upon. Cap gains taxing could be restructured in a way that encourages productivity. We could change up public education to hold it accountable for educating students. We could lower the inflated cost of healthcare in the US.
However, the answer is not "TAX THE RICH, MAKE BIG BUSINESS PAY, WE NEED EQUALITY"

Then what is the answer? Because the current system does not work. The current system promotes a cycle of poverty. The current system is the reason 14.5% of Americans are below the poverty line. The current system is the reason why a rich high school graduate has the same level of income as a poor college graduate. The current system is the reason why 1.2 trillion dollars is owed in student debts. How can you fix the current social and racial divide within America without changing the system. Bernie Sanders will change the system. Bernie Sanders is promoting a much needed voice for the American people. For too long politicians have been representive of corporations and not the people. It's time we change that where poltiicans represent the people and not the corporations.

The current system has also done more to improve the quality of human life in the developed world than any other country.

cobra_commanderThe current system has also done more to improve the quality of human life in the developed world than any other country.

How so? Please explain?

Economic powerhouse that has driven the global economy on a relatively consistent basis, to include pulling up economies that start to fall behind (think Scandinavia in the early 90s). Funding the technological breakthroughs and developments that have contributed greatly to enabling quality of life, not to mention developing crops that enable us to actually feed the 7+ billion people on this planet. Driving medical research and development that had contributed to people living longer and healthier.

Oh, and single handily funding and developing international security that allowed non eastern bloc European countries to spend their money on things other than keeping the Soviets out.

cobra_commanderSystematic oppression? That is rich.

Often in America, you are poor or rich based on a mixture of the choices you and your parents made.

I'm not going to pretend that the USA does everything star spangled perfect. There are things we can improve upon. Cap gains taxing could be restructured in a way that encourages productivity. We could change up public education to hold it accountable for educating students. We could lower the inflated cost of healthcare in the US.
However, the answer is not "TAX THE RICH, MAKE BIG BUSINESS PAY, WE NEED EQUALITY"

Taxing the rich is widely accepted as the only way we are going to eliminate the deficit and it has been that way since 2012

cobra_commanderThe current system has also done more to improve the quality of human life in the developed world than any other country.

We need to reduce inequality not produce equality. NOONE is argueing that there shouldnt be some degree of inequality.

DlCKTaxing the rich is widely accepted as the only way we are going to eliminate the deficit and it has been that way since 2012

The 1% already pay more in taxes than the 99%. No shit they are gonna get taxed. Rewriting how they, and the rest of us, pay our taxes, is obviously important. The Bernie Sanders 2016 campaign however, is going after the 'blame someone else for your problems, and make them pay for your life' I can not endorse that ideology.

cobra_commanderEconomic powerhouse that has driven the global economy on a relatively consistent basis, to include pulling up economies that start to fall behind (think Scandinavia in the early 90s). Funding the technological breakthroughs and developments that have contributed greatly to enabling quality of life, not to mention developing crops that enable us to actually feed the 7+ billion people on this planet. Driving medical research and development that had contributed to people living longer and healthier.

Oh, and single handily funding and developing international security that allowed non eastern bloc European countries to spend their money on things other than keeping the Soviets out.

Has driven the global economy. But also doomed the global economy in 2008 (GFC).

The IMF is actually the instution that helps pull up economies not the US.

Being technologically advance does not relate to how well of a coutnry you are. India is third in the most technological advanced countries in the world. And India is a terrible country for a lot of reasons.

America has alot of great agriculture land. But not enough to feed 7 billion. That's a laughable statement. But if exporting agriculture means you are a great economy then fuck, Australia is better than America. See how dumb that statement sounds now?

Although America does put out the most medical reports, quality over quantity.

Oh funding the middle east. You mean the war that you are still involved in with groups that you gave weapons to? How everyone was meant to be afraid of Al Queda and ISIS even though they were partly American funded.

S.J.WHas driven the global economy. But also doomed the global economy in 2008 (GFC).

And which economic system recovered the fastest?

S.J.WThe IMF is actually the instution that helps pull up economies not the US.

Where does the IMF get it's money.

S.J.WBeing technologically advance does not relate to how well of a coutnry you are. India is third in the most technological advanced countries in the world. And India is a terrible country for a lot of reasons.

Are you denying that the introduction of (largely US developed) tech to India has not raised the standard of living there? India is largely a much better place to live now then it was in 1985.

S.J.WAmerica has alot of great agriculture land. But not enough to feed 7 billion. That's a laughable statement. But if exporting agriculture means you are a great economy then fuck, Australia is better than America. See how dumb that statement sounds now?.

Did I mention agricultural land? Nope. The technology to maximize agricultural output was largely developed and enabled through our economic system.

S.J.WOh funding the middle east. You mean the war that you are still involved in with groups that you gave weapons to? How everyone was meant to be afraid of Al Queda and ISIS even though they were partly American funded.

I didn't mention the middle east, and place that is so fucked up, that everyone else has gotten stuck up in it too at one point or another.

cobra_commanderAnd which economic system recovered the fastest?



Where does the IMF get it's money.



Are you denying that the introduction of (largely US developed) tech to India has not raised the standard of living there? India is largely a much better place to live now then it was in 1985.



Did I mention agricultural land? Nope. The technology to maximize agricultural output was largely developed and enabled through our economic system.


I didn't mention the middle east, and place that is so fucked up, that everyone else has gotten stuck up in it too at one point or another.

1. Germany. (has top tax rate of 45% compared to the US 39.6. Mostly "free" health care and pretty much free university)
2. Payment Quotas from member countries.

3. The standard of living increases because of globalistation. Not because of the US.

4. Well you're sort of right. When there's demand for something, then that creates innovation. And by god does America have alot of demand for agriculture. But I tried pretty hard to find some reports on the most innovative, company with most patents or whatever. But I wouldn't exactly base your entire argument around agriculture. Remember that time you guys used slaves for use in agriculture?

5. Where else did America fight the soviets other than the middle east? INB4 you say that America and Soviets never actaully went to war

5. South America, South East Asia, South Central Asia, East Asia, Greece, and did a really good job of not fighting to loudly in Germany, Hungary, Poland, Austria, or western Europe. Its more that last part, that matters. It was American tanks and planes and soldiers, aka defense spending that kept the Soviets on their side of the European boarders, allowing other countries to spend their money on other things.

I'd debate on the whole Germany recovering from the 08 recession first.

The point I am trying to get across is that there are a lot of second and third order effects of the current US fiscal and internal policy that people tend to ignore in their desire for instant gratification and entitlement.

I don't hate bernie sanders, he's alright. Not as smart as he thinks he is but at least he's sticking to his shit.

That said this whole wagon of hype is ridiculous. This is shaping up to be the biggest event since jesus came to my BBQ last summer.

cobra_commanderThe 1% already pay more in taxes than the 99%. No shit they are gonna get taxed. Rewriting how they, and the rest of us, pay our taxes, is obviously important. The Bernie Sanders 2016 campaign however, is going after the 'blame someone else for your problems, and make them pay for your life' I can not endorse that ideology.

Who else is to blame for suffocating the middle class? If we rewrite taxes, guess what?!??

The rich will pay more....

You are doing a lot of speculating btw

cobra_commander5. South America, South East Asia, South Central Asia, East Asia, Greece, and did a really good job of not fighting to loudly in Germany, Hungary, Poland, Austria, or western Europe. Its more that last part, that matters. It was American tanks and planes and soldiers, aka defense spending that kept the Soviets on their side of the European boarders, allowing other countries to spend their money on other things.

I'd debate on the whole Germany recovering from the 08 recession first.

The point I am trying to get across is that there are a lot of second and third order effects of the current US fiscal and internal policy that people tend to ignore in their desire for instant gratification and entitlement.

I see where you're coming from dude. I really do. And you make great points. So I guess we'll just call it a day because niether of us is exactly an expert on economics. And niether of us will concieve defeat. :)

cobra_commanderI'm crushed I tell you, crushed.



No shit, neither is life.



So adapt and overcome. Don't make bitch ass excuses, and waste away complaining.

You have an interesting way of dodging the major points addressed in his posts. You really cant stand being wrong can you?

cobra_commanderYou are not entitled to a college education
You are not entitled to a job
You are not entitled to any standard of living
You are not entitled to healthcare
The only thing you are entitled to is the right to wake up each morning and try your fucking hardest, and then if you do that, maybe you might make yourself useful.

For starters, why are the rights you list at the end valid and the others not? What you are defining as a right qualifies more as "good advice". Why wouldn't a government not want to provide those things for its citizens?

Countries such as Austria offer everything you listed to their citizens. But what they don't do is hand them out all willy nilly.

University education is free, but you still have to get in based on placement scores. So only those who try the hardest and make the best effort get in.

Healthcare is a mix between state-funded and private insurance. Everyone gets free basic healthcare, but private insurance does easily exist if you want additional coverage that goes beyond the basic.

It is arguably the government's job to look after its citizens (to argue otherwise will take a lot of work on your part), and based on that presumption is why healthcare, job security, education, and a high standard of living are funded for by the Austrian state. Their economy is flourishing, their unemployment rate is low, and their standard of living is (depending on source) better or at least equal to the USA.

You seem to think that a socialist form of government directly leads to a lazy, hand-out society which is definitely not necessarily true. Many factors need to be in place for it to work, and if said factors are not in place any government will fail. Sure, Greece is in a shitty spot right now, but to say that Sanders will lead us down the same path is grossly unfounded.

onenerdykidFor starters, why are the rights you list at the end valid and the others not? What you are defining as a right qualifies more as "good advice". Why wouldn't a government not want to provide those things for its citizens?

Countries such as Austria offer everything you listed to their citizens. But what they don't do is hand them out all willy nilly.

University education is free, but you still have to get in based on placement scores. So only those who try the hardest and make the best effort get in.

Healthcare is a mix between state-funded and private insurance. Everyone gets free basic healthcare, but private insurance does easily exist if you want additional coverage that goes beyond the basic.

It is arguably the government's job to look after its citizens (to argue otherwise will take a lot of work on your part), and based on that presumption is why healthcare, job security, education, and a high standard of living are funded for by the Austrian state. Their economy is flourishing, their unemployment rate is low, and their standard of living is (depending on source) better or at least equal to the USA.

You seem to think that a socialist form of government directly leads to a lazy, hand-out society which is definitely not necessarily true. Many factors need to be in place for it to work, and if said factors are not in place any government will fail. Sure, Greece is in a shitty spot right now, but to say that Sanders will lead us down the same path is grossly unfounded.

The reason out economy is doing shitty, is not our lack of free health care and college education.

Besides, the easy of getting a loan thanks to the government back them allows colleges to charge whatever they want these days. Also encourages kids to borrow a fuck ton of money with all these promises of making a ton more $$$ in their lifetime. Not saying college can't be good, but starting life that far in debt is rough.

College is all about the "college experience" these days anyway with some education on the side. If it was more about the education, it could be so much cheaper.

Unfortunately thanks to the rates some of the bigger schools are charging, any educational programs are $$$. Community colleges, single programs, trade classes, all through the roof.

And once again, sanders isn't all he's hyped up to be imo.

cobra_commanderYou really don't need that much money to get a college degree.

Cultural issues are keeping that 'kid in the hood' from a four year degree more than the financial issues.

Sure.

By the way, I don't believe you. Cultural issues stem deeply from being brought up in and having your parents and often grandparents brought up in poverty.

I'm assuming you mean by cultural issues, black issues, which is nice, blaming poor minorities for growing up poor minorities is tight.

By not a lot of money I assume you mean 40k? The average cost of four years of tuition in state at a public university, before any other bills like rent, food, car insurance, a car payment, health insurance. Congrats on saving that up at the local grocery store as a cashier, or did your parents likely help with that?

Most likely you have this diagnosis that you paid some or a lot of money into your education and your parents helped you out a bit on the side, and in reality your self made. News flash, you're not.

The situation you grew up in and lived in had to do a lot with who you became and what opportunities presented themselves. It always does. So now what I want you to do, is run away to the hood, gather some health issues, graduate from an underfunded poverty infused high school, pay for all your bills, and then when college is hard to pay for say, it's probably cause I didn't work hard enough.

ndyeSure.

By the way, I don't believe you. Cultural issues stem deeply from being brought up in and having your parents and often grandparents brought up in poverty.

I'm assuming you mean by cultural issues, black issues, which is nice, blaming poor minorities for growing up poor minorities is tight.

By not a lot of money I assume you mean 40k? The average cost of four years of tuition in state at a public university, before any other bills like rent, food, car insurance, a car payment, health insurance. Congrats on saving that up at the local grocery store as a cashier, or did your parents likely help with that?

Most likely you have this diagnosis that you paid some or a lot of money into your education and your parents helped you out a bit on the side, and in reality your self made. News flash, you're not.

The situation you grew up in and lived in had to do a lot with who you became and what opportunities presented themselves. It always does. So now what I want you to do, is run away to the hood, gather some health issues, graduate from an underfunded poverty infused high school, pay for all your bills, and then when college is hard to pay for say, it's probably cause I didn't work hard enough.

By cultural issues I meant cultural issues. it is true there are black communities that under value education. There are are also various white, Latino, Native American, SEA, and other communities that under value education. Ever been to rural KY? Not a lot of people make it out of there. A lot of their deep poverty stems from their deep rusted cultural issues.

you are guessing, and guessing wrong where my education funding came from. Every year there are millions of Dollars of uncclaimed scholarships. I used a few of thousand of those. I also worked throughout high school, buying 'future' education as I went, and continued to work in college. It also didn't hurt that having decided to serve in the military, Uncle Sam paid for some of it too.

Minor sure why anyone should go to a Public University for four years when they can do the first two at a much more sensible community college.

also, why the fuck would you own a car in college?