SANDERS 2016

.MASSHOLE.What about the black people who support Trump? Or the Mexican? Or the Vietnamese? Sure, there may not be a lot, but surely you can't call them racists?

THEPROPHETThe fuck I can't.
What kind of logic is that? Only white people can be racists?!?!?

.MASSHOLE.Are you going to address the other parts? Or just the part that you can't understand?

People blame Trump for being anti-Mexican, immigrant, African American, etc. but yet he still somehow brings people from those groups in because his message is not one based just off of race.

Comprende?

Bodhisattva_You're right, his message brings in uneducated and (some) just plain stupid people from all races.

.MASSHOLE.Are you going to address the other parts? Or just the part that you can't understand?

People blame Trump for being anti-Mexican, immigrant, African American, etc. but yet he still somehow brings people from those groups in because his message is not one based just off of race.

Comprende?

THEPROPHETI . all Trump supporters are "racist" or "fascist" and claiming that is nothing like lumping all Sander supporters as "socialists" or "free-riders. One is true and the other isn't. ALL Trump supporters are ignorant hateful biggots, and are extremely misinformed.

DingoSeanTrump supporters are facist and racist and highly conservative already... Trump is just giving them a place to congregate with their shitty attitudes and narrow ass worldviews.

THEPROPHETSomething tells me you have mild autism so no.

btw no one said it's based just off of race..................

.MASSHOLE.No one can really dispute that as the statistics seem to indicate that. But that still shouldn't change my post higher in the thread.

It is unfair to group all his supporters as uneducated (in the literal sense), racist, fascist, or any other derogatory term. There are outliers, and while they may not agree with you, and you may not agree with them, he has quite a few policy ideas that address the same concerns as Sanders. The difference lies in the methods.

Bodhisattva_Yeah, methods which no educated person would support. Supporting a candidate who vaguely pledges winning like he's fuckin Charlie Sheen correlates directly to a lack of intelligence.

.MASSHOLE.Well, according to some, the same can be said for some of Sander's proposals. I think for some of his supporters it is more the message and not the plan, combined the fact he isn't a "socialist" in their eyes.

I'm not trying to defend the guy, but trying to play the devils advocate here.

Granite_StateYeah no doubt sanders voting pool has a higher general intelligence.

.MASSHOLE.No doubt in my mind there. Generally I think the Democratic Party as a whole is smarter.

Despite the controversy surrounding Hillary, I would be interested to know which candidate, her or Sanders, has a better-educated following.

Bodhisattva_Honestly I would bet Hillary, just because of the amount of people I know who blindly support Bernie without knowing much about any of his policies... and it is no doubt that many of his policies will end up benefiting the poor which most are likely to have little to no higher education

THEPROPHETTO ANYONE WHO DOUBTS BERNIE:

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT WEALTH INEQUALITY AS IT PERTAINS TO SOCIAL STRATIFICATION ?

WHY DO YOU BELIEVE HILLARY TO BE A BETTER CANDIDATE?

DO YOU BELIEVE SANDERS CAN UNITE CONGRESS THROUGH REASONABLE COMPROMISE?

WHAT SHOULD MINIMUM WAGE BE INCREASED TO, IF AT ALL?

HOW IMPORTANT IS INTEGRITY WHEN CHOOSING A PRESIDENT?

WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR?

.MASSHOLE.No. He is looking for a revolution and I do not think he will compromise or water down his proposals. He has effectively alienated both sides of the US political spectrum with his comments.

DeforestationA revolution (from the Latin revolutio, "a turn around") is a fundamental change in political power or organizational structures that takes place in a relatively short period of time when the population rises up in revolt against the current authorities.

Do you really think this is what Bernie is going for? Sounds a bit extreme.

It's not like he's looking for people to rebel against the US government. A lot of Republicans want to make it look like he is, but there's no way. In fact, with most people I talk to (who are on the conservative side of things), their main complaint with Bernie is that he's going to "tax the rich too much" and "make college free".

In terms of taxes, Sanders' ideaology has been so blown out of proportion. He's literally proposing a

.MASSHOLE.Sanders campaign may have been dealt its death blow tonight. He is currently losing Ohio and has lost NC and Florida by large margins. He needed to win Ohio and lose by small margins.

Granite_StateAgreed. Depressing as shit. NC already over even tho only 13% of the popular vote is in. So stupid how it doesnt even matter.

.MASSHOLE.Sanders campaign may have been dealt its death blow tonight. He is currently losing Ohio and has lost NC and Florida by large margins. He needed to win Ohio and lose by small margins.

onenerdykidHowever, if Bernie can manage to keep things going (and he definitely does not show any signs of throwing in the towel), the big wins of primary season are still coming.

Maybe it's too hopeful but at least there are stats behind the hope:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-alan-grayson/democratic-presidential-primary-2_b_9459766.html

Hillary has taken the "Old South" states but those outside that grouping, Bernie has won. "Outside those "Old South" states, 12 other states also have voted. Bernie Sanders has won nine of those races, Hillary Clinton has won only two, and there has been one tie (Iowa). The average result in those 12 states has been a Sanders win by just under 20 points."

I think Hillary has made her big gains now but Bernie will erode it until the DNC.

.MASSHOLE.That's asking a lot of his voter base which has been inconsistent in their performance. One also has to assume the 5/5 losses last night will seriously impede his momentum and those on the fence about his electability.

Do I think this race is over? Mathematically more or less. Will he stop? No.

THEPROPHETNot even half way yet and your calling it?!?

Stop watching CNN

THEPROPHETNot even half way yet and your calling it?!?

Stop watching CNN

THEPROPHETYur a lil outdated bud. Rubio is done. Its Trump vs Cruz

.MASSHOLE.Rubio is still in the race, he has not pulled out, yet. And you are forgetting Kasich, he is still in the race as well.

THEPROPHETYeah it's my head that's in the sand......

.MASSHOLE.Here we go, a nice little breakdown I found. I imagine more are being written as we speak. This was assuming he won Missouri, so the numbers may be slightly off. She is up by 320 delegates total while this piece assumed she would be up by 280.

https://medium.com/@chrismabry/bernie-sanders-path-to-the-nomination-a68424288558#.bwxjx9ekh


"Out of the 2,042 pledged delegates left after Tuesday, Sanders will need to win about 1,160 of them — roughly 57%."

"First, Sanders needs to focus on the delegate-rich states left on the map that he has chances to do well in, and he needs to win them by convincing margins: Washington (+20%), Wisconsin (+20%), New York (+10%), Maryland (+10%), Pennsylvania (+15%), Indiana (+10%), California (+20%), and New Jersey (+10%)"

"Next, he needs to limit his losses to the states where he is likely to perform poorly: Hawaii (-5%), Guam (-20%), Virgin Islands (-20%), Puerto Rico (-10%), and Washington D.C (-10%)."

"Finally, he needs to round out his performance with sizable wins in the rest of his favorable states: Idaho (+10%), Utah (+20%), Alaska (+20%), Wyoming (+20%), Connecticut (+20%), Delaware (+20%), Rhode Island (+20%), Indiana (+10%), West Virginia (+30%), Montana (+20%), New Mexico (+10%), North Dakota (10%), and South Dakota (10%)."

As it stands, he is projected to lose Utah, but there is not enough recent polling to say how accurate this is. We may get a clearer picture in a few days or so.

While he is projected to win in Wisconsin by .4%, the same can be said for Wisconsin. There are not enough recent polls to get an accurate idea.

However, Maryland, which has had a few recent polls, currently has a 98% chance of Clinton winning, and he desperately needs to win this state. That being said, we are over a month away.

So, while the picture is still blurry, he has an even tougher task than he did Monday morning. Fact of the matter is, he can't afford to lose another state by a large margin, hell, he can't even afford a tie in most states. If he loses or ties Hillary in NY, Maryland, or California, he is done. There is no chance for him to pull through.

So if you want him to win, you need to go figure out how to help his campaign.

.MASSHOLE.He pulled out last night. You wrote that a week ago.

THEPROPHETseems to me that its still possible.
"But Sanders campaign aides say they'll be able to keep Clinton from reaching the 2,383 delegate magic number she'd need to clinch the nomination at the convention and, by being close enough, convince the superdelegates to switch, as some did when they changed from Clinton to Barack Obama in 2008."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-longshot-victory-superdelegates-220847#ixzz434AUffFM
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THEPROPHETExactly.

DingoSeanThis campaign has spun out of control on all fronts...

And I don't condemn the people pushing back against the Trump shitbags at all. Fuck those racist wankers. I don't want it to become violent, but these are violent, racist people who are attending these Trump rallies... so of course it's going to turn into that if you talk bad about their fuhrer to their face... It's like going to Nascar and talking shit to some guys with those hats on their heads you can drink beer from... you're gonna get a reaction... and you know what? I'm alright with that - the more Trump's supporters show that they're insane, the more likely the general public is going to alienate themselves from that base.

I've met a few random Trump dicks recently, just by nature of having to go to Reno for things once in a while... I just give them the ol' guilt trip and explain to them why they should be ashamed...

All in all, though... I don't think Trump can beat either Hillary OR Sanders... the states just don't add up... Trump can win all of Florida, Ohio AND Virginia - the most swingyest swing states out there, and still loses 272-266...

Nevada, Colorado, and New Hampshire all poll strongly for either one of the Democrats against Trump.. and in Colorado and New Hampshire, Sanders absolutely CRUSHES Trump. Donald has already lost New Mexico with his opinions on the Wall... he doesn't do well in Iowa against either democrat, he can't win anything in the Rust belt or the Northeast, He can't win his home state, and he's already got a hill to climb with more of the population being in Blue States to begin with. He might actually win Florida because that state is such a mixed bag of asshattery, but I don't see him winning in the Electoral at large due to what he'd need to overcome in states with populations that aren't buying into his lunacy.

Beyond that, even if this was a popular vote.. what's Trump got on either of them that would steer the general pop. in his favor??

Sanders is entirely clean, super positive, and he's running a campaign to unite people and lead us in a positive direction... I've even heard plenty of people who disagree with liberal political theories say they they believe he's probably the most well spoken, honest, and most on-point candidate for either side... He would swat down any garbage the Donald would be able to propose, and he's keeping the liberal base fired up... He'd smash the Donald in all non-southern states, and because businesses aren't keen on trump being president either, he won't have to compete with an opposition with a lobbying base.

Hillary.. What's he gonna do? Benghazi us to death? Talk about the Emails? Fox News already does that and it hasn't sunk her... I mean, yeah.. she's got plenty of dirt for him to dig up, no doubt... but compared to Trump? Compared to his brashness and unpopularity abroad? Compared to his insane notions? His joke of an idea that Mexico is going to pay for something just because he says so? She'll destroy him in the debates, and she has the political clout, experience, and the financial backing to fight fire with fire. She has a strong supporter base in many of the aforementioned swing states - especially Florida, and she's going to be difficult to beat on an ideological front in both campaign and debate setting. One thing's for sure... it will be an EXTREMELY negative campaign... it will literally be fear vs fear. Trump supporting xenophobes vs Hillary supporting Trumpaphobes...

At this point, I kinda can't wait to see who Trump picks for his ticket... if it's Sarah Palin or somebody equally as insane, I might end up having the strongest diaphragm of my life due to all the ensuing laughter I'll experience from abroad..

**This post was edited on Mar 14th 2016 at 8:38:18am

.MASSHOLE.That's asking a lot of his voter base which has been inconsistent in their performance. One also has to assume the 5/5 losses last night will seriously impede his momentum and those on the fence about his electability.

Do I think this race is over? Mathematically more or less. Will he stop? No.

I'll try to get another piece that has the math drawn out for us. That HuffPost piece is written by a guy who I believe has openly endorsed Sanders so I can't imagine he'd ever write anything negative.

onenerdykidAll true, but comebacks often happen. In 2008, Obama lost 21 states and was behind in super delegates by a margin of 3:1 to Hillary. In 1992, Billy Clinton lost 11 of the first 12 states. Both came back strong and obviously ended up clinching it at the very end of the race.

.MASSHOLE.Right, but Obama was only down by 100 or so delegates and actually held a lead I believe at the end of February. Additionally, he captured the delegate-rich states that Hillary has now, which is why it didn't matter as much.

I don't know about Bill though, but I do know this is the largest lead there has ever been without including super delegates so his struggles are not as comparable.

Sanders is going to have an incredibly tough time with some of these states, especially NY which is Hillary's home political turf.

"He will need to win about 58 percent of the remaining 2,000 or so elected delegates to tie Clinton. Since the Democrats allot delegates proportionally, that means he'd need to win about 58 percent of the vote in the average remaining state to Clinton's 42 percent, meaning he'd need to beat Clinton by around 16 points the rest of the way."

Given that the recent polls accurately predicted the last 5 outcomes, and been close for the others (excluding Michigan), one can look at the polls out there now and see it is a VERY steep climb for him to make it back onto level ground. One misstep and he will be done.

IMO Sanders supporters should look into what Congressional and House of Rep. members best emulate his platform and try to focus their attention on raising awareness there.

THEPROPHET58% is certainly do-able. couple big wins, couple small losses, few close calls. One thing that your precious polls can't predict is voter turnout. The big story here is record voter turnout. no one knows how many people are going to vote And thus it makes the caucu somewhat unpredictable. which is why I predict sanders will win. heheheeheheheheheheheguhihuhuhuhihihihihhuhjihu

.MASSHOLE.Is it do able? Yes. Is it likely? Hell no.

Record voter turnout has turned out wins for Sanders though. You can't have close calls. You can't have losses. All Sander's can do from here on out is win. Anything less is going to prevent him from winning.

You've gone off the deep end now, but lets make a bet. If Sanders wins nomination (assuming there is no indictment), I'll have "THEPROPHET is smarter than me" in my sig for a year. If he loses, you have to have ".MASSHOLE. is smarter than me" in your sig for a year.

.MASSHOLE.Is it do able? Yes. Is it likely? Hell no.

Record voter turnout has turned out wins for Sanders though. You can't have close calls. You can't have losses. All Sander's can do from here on out is win. Anything less is going to prevent him from winning.

You've gone off the deep end now, but lets make a bet. If Sanders wins nomination (assuming there is no indictment), I'll have "THEPROPHET is smarter than me" in my sig for a year. If he loses, you have to have ".MASSHOLE. is smarter than me" in your sig for a year.

THEPROPHETYou care way too much about this website homie. Go outside.

Abu-BaghdadiIt's also important to note that the remaining states in the west, majority of them are caucuses. Bernie has traditionally done well with caucuses. It's also important to note that six of the top 10 highest per capita donations are in the west. In addition, Clinton in the southern states won the lowest quintile income vote. (under 30k) However between 31K and 199K Sanders won the vote. So it looks like Sanders could potentially come very close to closing the gap.

.MASSHOLE.All Sander's can do from here on out is win. Anything less is going to prevent him from winning.

.MASSHOLE.I work at a desk for 10.5 hours a day. Not really possible except on weekends.

Besides, I'm curious to see if you're that confident or if you're just posturing.

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