SANDERS 2016

Free live stream on CNN starting at 8:30PM ET.

Very excited

I'm watching the debate tonight so I can hear what Bernie has to say



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...and to laugh at Hillary.

Bernie really failed on that Putin question, yikes. Really sounded like he had no set plan to deal with that at all.

Hilary seriously never shows any emotion.

.MASSHOLE.Bernie really failed on that Putin question, yikes. Really sounded like he had no set plan to deal with that at all.

Hilary seriously never shows any emotion.

Satanists usually don't.

Chaffee would make a good VP

.MASSHOLE.Bernie really failed on that Putin question, yikes. Really sounded like he had no set plan to deal with that at all.

Hilary seriously never shows any emotion.

To be honest it seemed like he was just surprised at how quickly Anderson switched to him. Probably just in the process of wordsmithing his response and got caught off guard.

bernie sanders foreign policy

Petey.To be honest it seemed like he was just surprised at how quickly Anderson switched to him. Probably just in the process of wordsmithing his response and got caught off guard.

Perhaps, but seeing as how big Putin/Russia is as an international actor especially after they announced their intervention in Syria last week he should have had an idea it was coming. It seemed like a very weak response, he dodged it and seemed to hark on the fact Russian people will eventually turn on Putin. Seems out of touch with all of Russia.

I do like his response to international security about climate change but only addressing it in the US is small fish. China, India and other emerging economies need to take note too.

Check out those numbers for Bernie baby!!!!!


https://www.facebook.com/cnn/app_1667241686824039

Holy shit, if anyone is watching those numbers, whilst Hilary was talking it was at like 30% agree, then as soon as Bernie started talking it was up to 90%. Holy fuck

Happened to notice that CNN was tossing lots of questions attacking Hilary's past foreign policy decisions to the other candidates. Seems like cheap feed to excite ratings. Not impressive, CNN. On another note, just to weigh in, I think that Sanders places the correct amount of emphasis on coalitions as a much more affective alternative to warfare.

S.J.WHoly shit, if anyone is watching those numbers, whilst Hilary was talking it was at like 30% agree, then as soon as Bernie started talking it was up to 90%. Holy fuck

THIS JUST IN: BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTERS ARE ACTIVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA NO MATTER WHAT BERNIE SANDERS SAYS.

Spagett+THIS JUST IN: BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTERS ARE ACTIVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA NO MATTER WHAT BERNIE SANDERS SAYS.

yeah because only Bernie supporters were allowed to use the Live Vote feature on the CNN facebook page...

Spagett+THIS JUST IN: BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTERS ARE ACTIVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA NO MATTER WHAT BERNIE SANDERS SAYS.

Keep telling yourself that.

S.J.Wyeah because only Bernie supporters were allowed to use the Live Vote feature on the CNN facebook page...

_Fluffy_Keep telling yourself that.

I mean bernie sanders has a huge social media presence because of his supporters, who likely would have been active on Facebook during the debate. so no they weren't the only ones allowed to use it but they were probably the most active on it and probably went out of their ways to "agree" with him every time he spoke.

Spagett+I mean bernie sanders has a huge social media presence because of his supporters, who likely would have been active on Facebook during the debate. so no they weren't the only ones allowed to use it but they were probably the most active on it and probably went out of their ways to "agree" with him every time he spoke.

Why would Bernie followers google who Bernie is?

#freedrums4everyone

https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/789303/Bernie-Sanders-Playing-The-Bongos

Bernie Sanders supports the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people of historic Palestine.

He's not a socialist and he'll endorse Hillary Clinton.

Bill.NyeBernie Sanders supports the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people of historic Palestine.

Maybe he isn't so bad after all....

You also forgot to put quotation marks around "indigenous".

Bernie Sanders's Highly Sensible Plan to Turn Post Offices Into Banks

In an interview with Fusion’s Felix Salmon the day after last week’s Democratic debate and published Tuesday, Senator Bernie Sanders discussed the marquee features of democratic socialism he’s been tirelessly calling for during his presidential campaign: higher taxes for the wealthiest Americans, an increased minimum wage, and breaking up the biggest Wall Street banks.

Salmon also raised a possibility that has not been as prominent in Sanders’s stump speeches, but animates him nonetheless: turning the U.S.’s post offices into banks. Sanders:

If you are a low-income person, it is, depending upon where you live, very difficult to find normal banking. Banks don’t want you. And what people are forced to do is go to payday lenders who charge outrageously high interest rates. You go to check-cashing places, which rip you off. And, yes, I think that the postal service, in fact, can play an important role in providing modest types of banking service to folks who need it.

It’s something Sanders alluded to in a 2014 Wall Street Journal op-ed, and it’s not even the craziest idea proposed to save the USPS—a report last year explored the implications of turning post offices into hubs for 3-D printing.

In fact, Sanders’s idea is quite sensible. “Postal banking”—which just means that post offices run savings accounts, cash checks, and perform other basic financial services—is common in most of Asia and Europe, and only about 7 percent of the world’s national postal systems don’t offer some bank-like services. Postal banking is a really good way to reach people who haven’t had access to standard savings accounts. One estimate figures that more than 1 billion people have used post offices for making deposits.

The reason why this would be so useful in the U.S. is that somewhere between 20 and 40 percent of the population has to rely on check-cashing or payday-lending services, which in some places charge usurious rates that send people into spirals of recurring debt. Mehrsa Baradaran, a professor at the University of Georgia School of Law and the author of How the Other Half Banks, touched on the promise of postal banking in a book excerpt published in The Atlantic last week:

The basic idea of modern postal banking is a public bank offering a wide range of transaction services, including financial transactions, remittance, savings accounts, and small lending. These institutions would remain affordable because of economies of scale and because of the existing postal infrastructure in the U.S. Plus, in the absence of shareholders, they would not be driven to seek profits and could sell services at cost.

In her essay, Baradaran made the point that the Federal Reserve helps struggling banks through temporary credit crunches—so why doesn’t the government treat struggling individuals the same way? It’s not unheard of in the U.S.; in 1910, William Howard Taft introduced a postal-savings system for new immigrants and the poor that lasted until 1967. Today, it’d be a huge relief for people without access to banks, with an added bonus: It’d give the U.S. a leg up on Denmark, the nation that both Sanders and Hillary Clinton professed love for in the debate and which doesn’t currently have postal accounts.


It makes so much sense...

In truth socialism sounds great, universal equality, all is shared, everyone's happy etc etc...

However in the real world socialism is bad economics and fails time and time again. Prime example.. Greece!

Socialism (like communism) is a centrally planned economic system defined by economists as a "command economy". This means that a central planning body (the government) makes all of the economic decisions, commanding the actions of the people in the economy. In contrast to the free market, socialism necessarily hinges on the use of force by the central planners, not voluntary cooperation between people. When the government own and dictate the producer goods and means of production, production is made inefficient because economic calculation is destroyed. This is problematic because modern economies with advanced divisions of labor are necessarily dependent on sound economic calculation. Economic calculation economizes the division of labor. In this, socialism stands in direct contrast to the free market. The freer the market, the more efficient the social economizing and economic calculation. The people (the consumers) dictate production in the free market. Entrepreneurs, motivated by profit, seek to satisfy the needs and desires of the people. Entrepreneurial foresight dictates prices of producer goods, fostering sound economic calculation and efficient social economizing. Market entrepreneurs are far more suited than central planning socialists to anticipate and efficiently economize change through the future.

In short, free entrepreneurs in a free division of labor economy can better allocate resources, maximize capital capacity, economize for the future, and socially economize to serve the needs of the people far better than the socialist state. Freedom also fosters competition, bringing prices of goods and services down and quality up. In the free market, the people are served. In the socialist state, the unsustainable state is served at the expense of the people. Socialism is one of the most anti choice market systems there is, next to communism.


"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

Btw if you're looking for an honest non-political candidate try Ben Carson. :)

moosevisionIn truth socialism sounds great, universal equality, all is shared, everyone's happy etc etc...

However in the real world socialism is bad economics and fails time and time again. Prime example.. Greece!

Socialism (like communism) is a centrally planned economic system defined by economists as a "command economy". This means that a central planning body (the government) makes all of the economic decisions, commanding the actions of the people in the economy. In contrast to the free market, socialism necessarily hinges on the use of force by the central planners, not voluntary cooperation between people. When the government own and dictate the producer goods and means of production, production is made inefficient because economic calculation is destroyed. This is problematic because modern economies with advanced divisions of labor are necessarily dependent on sound economic calculation. Economic calculation economizes the division of labor. In this, socialism stands in direct contrast to the free market. The freer the market, the more efficient the social economizing and economic calculation. The people (the consumers) dictate production in the free market. Entrepreneurs, motivated by profit, seek to satisfy the needs and desires of the people. Entrepreneurial foresight dictates prices of producer goods, fostering sound economic calculation and efficient social economizing. Market entrepreneurs are far more suited than central planning socialists to anticipate and efficiently economize change through the future.

In short, free entrepreneurs in a free division of labor economy can better allocate resources, maximize capital capacity, economize for the future, and socially economize to serve the needs of the people far better than the socialist state. Freedom also fosters competition, bringing prices of goods and services down and quality up. In the free market, the people are served. In the socialist state, the unsustainable state is served at the expense of the people. Socialism is one of the most anti choice market systems there is, next to communism.


"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

Btw if you're looking for an honest non-political candidate try Ben Carson. :)

I could actually explain to you why Greece has failed, but you should do your own research, it has very little to do with socialism. It has a lot to do with tax evasion, and preset conditions upon Greece entering the eurozone.

Ben Carson is insane.

You ever taken US history? According to Carson, you are now a prime ISIS candidate.

You Muslim? Thats illegal.

Born in the United States to non citizens? Prepare to be deported to a country you have never been to and know nothing about which most likely will not accept you anyways.

You gay? Probably because you went to jail and came out gay.

moosevisionIn truth socialism sounds great, universal equality, all is shared, everyone's happy etc etc...

However in the real world socialism is bad economics and fails time and time again. Prime example.. Greece!

Socialism (like communism) is a centrally planned economic system defined by economists as a "command economy". This means that a central planning body (the government) makes all of the economic decisions, commanding the actions of the people in the economy. In contrast to the free market, socialism necessarily hinges on the use of force by the central planners, not voluntary cooperation between people. When the government own and dictate the producer goods and means of production, production is made inefficient because economic calculation is destroyed. This is problematic because modern economies with advanced divisions of labor are necessarily dependent on sound economic calculation. Economic calculation economizes the division of labor. In this, socialism stands in direct contrast to the free market. The freer the market, the more efficient the social economizing and economic calculation. The people (the consumers) dictate production in the free market. Entrepreneurs, motivated by profit, seek to satisfy the needs and desires of the people. Entrepreneurial foresight dictates prices of producer goods, fostering sound economic calculation and efficient social economizing. Market entrepreneurs are far more suited than central planning socialists to anticipate and efficiently economize change through the future.

In short, free entrepreneurs in a free division of labor economy can better allocate resources, maximize capital capacity, economize for the future, and socially economize to serve the needs of the people far better than the socialist state. Freedom also fosters competition, bringing prices of goods and services down and quality up. In the free market, the people are served. In the socialist state, the unsustainable state is served at the expense of the people. Socialism is one of the most anti choice market systems there is, next to communism.


"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill

Btw if you're looking for an honest non-political candidate try Ben Carson. :)

Greece isn't remotely socialist, and not one thing you said reflects Bernie's views or any government he refers to. In fact, if Bernie were to run for President/Prime Minister of any European country, he would be one of the most non-progressive candidates. They would regard his views as über basic.

And when you reference Ben Carson as an archetypal figure we should look to for guidance and advice just proves to me that you are a troll. He legitimately shatters the stereotype that brain surgeons are smart and proves you can know a lot about brain surgery and virtually nothing about anything else.

onenerdykidGreece isn't remotely socialist, and not one thing you said reflects Bernie's views or any government he refers to. In fact, if Bernie were to run for President/Prime Minister of any European country, he would be one of the most non-progressive candidates. They would regard his views as über basic.

And when you reference Ben Carson as an archetypal figure we should look to for guidance and advice just proves to me that you are a troll. He legitimately shatters the stereotype that brain surgeons are smart and proves you can know a lot about brain surgery and virtually nothing about anything else.

Correct, I did not reference any particular policy of Sanders, in fact I wasn't trying to. I simply stated a short description of reasons why socialism as a system fails. This is actually quite a humorous response, rather than provide an reason what so ever that socialism is a viable economic system you rather decide to belittle Ben Carson and say hes stupid, and then say that Greece isn't remotely socialist?

For one Greece is socialist. They're current leader Alexis Tsipras is a member of the Syriza political party, which is describes themselves as "the coalition of the radical left' and runs on a European style democratic socialist platform. They list their ideologies as "Democratic Socialism, and Left Wing Populism". They are an extremely anti capitalist political party and are quite clearly socialist.

Finally Ben Carson, who apparently knows "nothing about anything else" but brain surgery. That's a very silly comment and honestly I'm not sure how to respond to something as ignorant as that... All I can do is encourage you to take a deeper look into his policies.

ndyeI could actually explain to you why Greece has failed, but you should do your own research, it has very little to do with socialism. It has a lot to do with tax evasion, and preset conditions upon Greece entering the eurozone.

Ben Carson is insane.

You ever taken US history? According to Carson, you are now a prime ISIS candidate.

You Muslim? Thats illegal.

Born in the United States to non citizens? Prepare to be deported to a country you have never been to and know nothing about which most likely will not accept you anyways.

You gay? Probably because you went to jail and came out gay.

Hahahaha when did Carson once say being Muslim is illegal? He said that any Muslim who agrees with Sharia law should not be able to hold office because Sharia law directly contradicts the U.S Constitution. Which it does!

As for Carson's immigration plan, I think you're mixing him up with Trump (hes the real insane one!) Carson after criticizing Trumps plan said:

"Then those who are here, we have to recognize that we can’t just round them up, but we can give them an opportunity to register. I would give them a six-month period. If they register, and if they have a pristine record, they haven’t been causing problems, I would give them an opportunity to become guest workers — not citizens, not voting people, not people who get goodies. I think that would be a fair way to do it. In terms of them becoming citizens later on down the road if they’ve done things the right way, we the American people will decide what the criteria for that ought to be."

You got me on the Gay thing, I disagree with him there and in addition to Tax Evasion and the Euro-zone crisis its hard to argue that socialism played no role in Greece's current state, especially because the European Union its self represents an entity largely controlled by socialist beliefs. The BBC had a good documentary on the subject.

moosevisionCorrect, I did not reference any particular policy of Sanders, in fact I wasn't trying to. I simply stated a short description of reasons why socialism as a system fails. This is actually quite a humorous response, rather than provide an reason what so ever that socialism is a viable economic system you rather decide to belittle Ben Carson and say hes stupid, and then say that Greece isn't remotely socialist?

For one Greece is socialist. They're current leader Alexis Tsipras is a member of the Syriza political party, which is describes themselves as "the coalition of the radical left' and runs on a European style democratic socialist platform. They list their ideologies as "Democratic Socialism, and Left Wing Populism". They are an extremely anti capitalist political party and are quite clearly socialist.

Finally Ben Carson, who apparently knows "nothing about anything else" but brain surgery. That's a very silly comment and honestly I'm not sure how to respond to something as ignorant as that... All I can do is encourage you to take a deeper look into his policies.

1. Democratic socialism is not socialism. If you can't understand that, then you fail basic political ideology. Greece's economy is a free-market economy where if you want to start a business you can. It is not dictated from the state that "you do this job, and you do this job". They (along with much of Europe) are opposed to a completely unrestricted economy, much like America is today.

2. Things Ben Carson has said the most ridiculous things concerning evolution, the Big Bang, creationism, banning Muslims from being President, to saying prison makes people gay, to saying that an AP History class makes Americans want to join ISIS, to saying that Obamacare is greatest travesty since slavery and also equates current day America to Nazi Germany, he wants to deny gays the same rights as heterosexuals... Honestly, I could go on but I think I understand his positions clearly enough to know that he does not understand or grasp the basic concepts of ethics or science. He just wants to push his interpretation of religion on people as if it were fact and logical truth.

onenerdykid1. Democratic socialism is not socialism. If you can't understand that, then you fail basic political ideology. Greece's economy is a free-market economy where if you want to start a business you can. It is not dictated from the state that "you do this job, and you do this job". They (along with much of Europe) are opposed to a completely unrestricted economy, much like America is today.

2. Things Ben Carson has said the most ridiculous things concerning evolution, the Big Bang, creationism, banning Muslims from being President, to saying prison makes people gay, to saying that an AP History class makes Americans want to join ISIS, to saying that Obamacare is greatest travesty since slavery and also equates current day America to Nazi Germany, he wants to deny gays the same rights as heterosexuals... Honestly, I could go on but I think I understand his positions clearly enough to know that he does not understand or grasp the basic concepts of ethics or science. He just wants to push his interpretation of religion on people as if it were fact and logical truth.

I usually like your posts they are quite good....this just doesn't make sense to me.

Democratic socialism, while not communist socialism..is still socialism. Yes we all pay for roads, defense, etc. That is just normal taxes. If you go read the democratic socialist official website...its quite clear they want to take from the rich and give to the poor. Tax the hell out of corporations, punish wall street. Basically punish anyone who is successful. If you start a business from scratch and now it makes 100M a year and you take it public...why should you be punished? You created thousands of jobs, took the risk, and are successful. The bottom line is people are looking for a free handout. His plan will cost $18 Trillion. Its insane to think this younger generation is so supportive of a socialist. I'm sure people like average joe schmoe would love Bernie. They don't actually know what Wall Street does and is influenced heavily by media bias, lies and corruption. TAKE DOWN THE MAN because I only make 50k a year yet some wall street guy makes 500k a year.

You are a successful guy. I'm sure you don't want your income taxed even more to support others who aren't as successful.

I paid 100% for my own college education. If Bernie was elected...I would get taxed MORE to help pay other peoples tuition. That isn't right. I made sacrifice to pay it off and now am being punished again because others aren't smart or willing to do what it takes.

The entire system is screwed up no doubt...but Bernie is certainly not the answer.

KravtZI usually like your posts they are quite good....this just doesn't make sense to me.

Democratic socialism, while not communist socialism..is still socialism. Yes we all pay for roads, defense, etc. That is just normal taxes. If you go read the democratic socialist official website...its quite clear they want to take from the rich and give to the poor. Tax the hell out of corporations, punish wall street. Basically punish anyone who is successful. If you start a business from scratch and now it makes 100M a year and you take it public...why should you be punished? You created thousands of jobs, took the risk, and are successful. The bottom line is people are looking for a free handout. His plan will cost $18 Trillion. Its insane to think this younger generation is so supportive of a socialist. I'm sure people like average joe schmoe would love Bernie. They don't actually know what Wall Street does and is influenced heavily by media bias, lies and corruption. TAKE DOWN THE MAN because I only make 50k a year yet some wall street guy makes 500k a year.

You are a successful guy. I'm sure you don't want your income taxed even more to support others who aren't as successful.

I paid 100% for my own college education. If Bernie was elected...I would get taxed MORE to help pay other peoples tuition. That isn't right. I made sacrifice to pay it off and now am being punished again because others aren't smart or willing to do what it takes.

The entire system is screwed up no doubt...but Bernie is certainly not the answer.

Well, let's break it down then. I live in a democratic socialist country, Austria. We have high taxes yes. But the government also believes that it its duty to not merely protect its citizens but to promote their well being. As such, basic healthcare is basically free (there are some small costs associated with it but it is so much more incredibly cheap compared to what I paid in the states) and so is university. There is more help built into the system to get people to the next level, rather than paint the dream in front of them yet not provide them with the skills to get there.

Another note on free university. Because it is free, it means that you can't buy your way in. You need to test in (test scores, writing samples, etc etc) and this makes it very difficult to get it- no freeloader could ever do it. Only the best students get in and this in turn causes the secondary education levels to be WAY more prepared and thorough in educating their students. If free public university is done anything like what is done here in Austria, the students will be better off for it and a more educated public is definitely a good thing.

What is happening in Austria, Germany, France etc is far from Marxism. Leaders are democratically elected and the taxes are put to more good use to help make its citizens live better lives. Business are private and any citizen can start any business they want- the government is not telling people what business they can and can't open. It's a regulated capitalist economy, similar to what currently exists in America. Instead of spending the majority of their tax revenue on their military, they put it to different use.

Every legitimate economist (even supply side economists like Art Laffer) will argue that the current distribution of wealth in this country is a problem and it will lead to an economic crisis. When the top 400 wealthiest people in America possess more wealth than the bottom 150 million combined and the percentage of wealth that the 400 own is growing (doubled actually since 1980) while the wealth of the median and lower income families is declining at about 8%, it will lead to economic turmoil. It's not jealousy that motivates Bernie to attack Wall Street, but simple economics.

KravtZI usually like your posts they are quite good....this just doesn't make sense to me.

Democratic socialism, while not communist socialism..is still socialism. Yes we all pay for roads, defense, etc. That is just normal taxes. If you go read the democratic socialist official website...its quite clear they want to take from the rich and give to the poor. Tax the hell out of corporations, punish wall street. Basically punish anyone who is successful. If you start a business from scratch and now it makes 100M a year and you take it public...why should you be punished? You created thousands of jobs, took the risk, and are successful. The bottom line is people are looking for a free handout. His plan will cost $18 Trillion. Its insane to think this younger generation is so supportive of a socialist. I'm sure people like average joe schmoe would love Bernie. They don't actually know what Wall Street does and is influenced heavily by media bias, lies and corruption. TAKE DOWN THE MAN because I only make 50k a year yet some wall street guy makes 500k a year.

You are a successful guy. I'm sure you don't want your income taxed even more to support others who aren't as successful.

I paid 100% for my own college education. If Bernie was elected...I would get taxed MORE to help pay other peoples tuition. That isn't right. I made sacrifice to pay it off and now am being punished again because others aren't smart or willing to do what it takes.

The entire system is screwed up no doubt...but Bernie is certainly not the answer.

This post makes it sound like you think all the millionaires on wallstreet made their money legitimately and paid their fair wages in taxes.

Wallstreet is out of control.

Granite_StateThis post makes it sound like you think all the millionaires on wallstreet made their money legitimately and paid their fair wages in taxes.

Wallstreet is out of control.

I work on Wall Street. Again...you have no idea what your talking about. I would like to think I make a legitimate salary and provide a good service to people who pay us for it. Paying "fair share" of taxes is just a stupid concept. Considering the wealthy pay more than the poor by a long shot and a huge percentage don't pay ANY taxes.

Curious how you think wall street is "out of control"...?

There are loopholes in the tax system. Anyone can take advantage of them. Unfortunately its the wealthy who can afford cPA, lawyers, advisors, etc to help them find them. Thats just the way it is and will always be probably. Nothing you can really do about it.

Granite_StateThis post makes it sound like you think all the millionaires on wallstreet made their money legitimately and paid their fair wages in taxes.

Wallstreet is out of control.

No, what is out of control is the perception of profits. EBITA, EPS, ROIC, ROC, ROE, ROA, and every other investment measurement etc. are what drive Wall Street who in turn simply fulfills the demands of its consumers (i.e. corporations, individuals, governments, etc.). Want to invest your money in the stock of Amazon? Fine, but that will come at a cost. That CEO is now under more pressure to perform and will make cuts to improve those margins.

moosevisionHahahaha when did Carson once say being Muslim is illegal? He said that any Muslim who agrees with Sharia law should not be able to hold office because Sharia law directly contradicts the U.S Constitution. Which it does!

As for Carson's immigration plan, I think you're mixing him up with Trump (hes the real insane one!) Carson after criticizing Trumps plan said:

"Then those who are here, we have to recognize that we can’t just round them up, but we can give them an opportunity to register. I would give them a six-month period. If they register, and if they have a pristine record, they haven’t been causing problems, I would give them an opportunity to become guest workers — not citizens, not voting people, not people who get goodies. I think that would be a fair way to do it. In terms of them becoming citizens later on down the road if they’ve done things the right way, we the American people will decide what the criteria for that ought to be."

You got me on the Gay thing, I disagree with him there and in addition to Tax Evasion and the Euro-zone crisis its hard to argue that socialism played no role in Greece's current state, especially because the European Union its self represents an entity largely controlled by socialist beliefs. The BBC had a good documentary on the subject.

My apologies I certainly over exaggerated the Islam side, however he did say you would have to reject Islam if you wanted to be president. Why does he specify Muslims must but not say Christians must reject their tenants in order to be president?

He also has come out against Birthright citizenship, ie the 14th amendment. Is it moral for us to deport someone to a country they have never been to?

Also what is this goodies? Illegal immigrants pay payroll taxes, property taxes when they rent a home, social security, medicare, but do not qualify for the benefits they pay into. In fact, social security would have seen cuts in payouts starting back in like 2010 I believe if it werent for them paying into the system.

The idea that illegal immigration is a major issue in this country is unfounded.

ndyeMy apologies I certainly over exaggerated the Islam side, however he did say you would have to reject Islam if you wanted to be president. Why does he specify Muslims must but not say Christians must reject their tenants in order to be president?

He also has come out against Birthright citizenship, ie the 14th amendment. Is it moral for us to deport someone to a country they have never been to?

1. Because the Constitution is largely based on Judeo-Christian values. Ben Carson is 100% correct when he says a Muslim who believes in Sharia (and they all are commanded to by the Quran) cannot be president. It was a trap question and he answered it honestly, of course left-wing media were just frothing at the mouth to twist it any way they could.

2. No country in Europe offers birthright citizenship, yet Sanders supporters often argue that Europe gets most everything right (a dubious claim at best). Whether or not the 14th Amendment grants citizenship to the children of illegals is also up for debate. The text of the Amendment specifically stipulates that those born need to be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" of the United States. Illegal immigrants do not qualify as being under the jurisdiction of the United States, since they are present in the country illegally, and have not been granted access to be under U.S. jurisdiction.

While it would be wrong to deny citizenship to those who acquired it under the old set of rules, Congress could easily pass a law banning future birthright citizenship to illegal immigrants (as well as Chinese and Russian women who go to "birth hotels").

But it's clear as day that Hillary will get the nomination, I'm sorry guys but you just do not have a mulatto messiah to come to your rescue this time. An old socialist won't cut it.

CampeadorBut it's clear as day that Hillary will get the nomination, I'm sorry guys but you just do not have a mulatto messiah to come to your rescue this time. An old socialist won't cut it.

Favorability Ratings Show Hillary Clinton Is Unelectable and Bernie Sanders Wins a General Election

It seems the goal of the Sanders election is to take from the very rich and give to the poor. Except that is just another way of saying that taxes will go up for everyone. The bottom of the spectrum will continue to receive hand-outs, the richer will get richer, and the middle will be footing the bill. The same middle that is struggling today. Tax wall street and corporations more and those cost will just get passed down to everyone else.

louie.miragsIt seems the goal of the Sanders election is to take from the very rich and give to the poor. Except that is just another way of saying that taxes will go up for everyone. The bottom of the spectrum will continue to receive hand-outs, the richer will get richer, and the middle will be footing the bill. The same middle that is struggling today. Tax wall street and corporations more and those cost will just get passed down to everyone else.

Don't know if you've followed Bernie. But that's exactly what he will do. Taxes will go up by 2% for the middle class and corporations who use the hayman islands as tax havens won't be allowed to do that anymore.

louie.miragsIt seems the goal of the Sanders election is to take from the very rich and give to the poor. Except that is just another way of saying that taxes will go up for everyone. The bottom of the spectrum will continue to receive hand-outs, the richer will get richer, and the middle will be footing the bill. The same middle that is struggling today. Tax wall street and corporations more and those cost will just get passed down to everyone else.

your understanding of "handouts" is minimal I'm assuming.

You also don't seem to realize how much tax evasion is taking place at the top.

Here is a very reliable source that clearly shows that some very large companies effectively pay very low or no taxes at all.

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/08/13/20-big-profitable-us-companies-paid-no-taxes.html

we are not taking from the rich, we are trying to get them to pay their fair share so that our government can operate the way it should.

_Fluffy_your understanding of "handouts" is minimal I'm assuming.

You also don't seem to realize how much tax evasion is taking place at the top.

Here is a very reliable source that clearly shows that some very large companies effectively pay very low or no taxes at all.

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/08/13/20-big-profitable-us-companies-paid-no-taxes.html

we are not taking from the rich, we are trying to get them to pay their fair share so that our government can operate the way it should.

Yes, and that does not change the fact that when they are forced to pay more that those financial burdens will be passed along to the consumer.

My biggest gripe is that Bernie says the word "free" too much. Apparently his definition of the word "free" means "raise taxes". Which is fine if that is what people want. But say it like it is. Take his interview with Bill Maher for example. He gets asked direct questions about the budget and he dodges them. Watch for yourself..

louie.miragsYes, and that does not change the fact that when they are forced to pay more that those financial burdens will be passed along to the consumer.

But even if a flat tax is imposed (that also does not allow them to use their loopholes/deductions/exceptions), which I believe Rand is in favor of, then they will also need to pass those burdens onto the consumer. This really gets back to the problem with our distribution of wealth- the gap between the wealthy and the middle class is getting astronomical (specifically the total wealth in America that the top 1% have has gone from 10% in 1980 to 20% in 2010). Most every serious economist agrees that something needs to get done about this or we will face another economic crisis. Their greed needs to be put in check or at least taxed more until the solution is figured out because they are ones who can afford to shoulder the burden. Certainly not the middle and lower classes, whose wealth as been declining at about 8% over the same time period.

onenerdykidBut even if a flat tax is imposed (that also does not allow them to use their loopholes/deductions/exceptions), which I believe Rand is in favor of, then they will also need to pass those burdens onto the consumer. This really gets back to the problem with our distribution of wealth- the gap between the wealthy and the middle class is getting astronomical (specifically the total wealth in America that the top 1% have has gone from 10% in 1980 to 20% in 2010). Most every serious economist agrees that something needs to get done about this or we will face another economic crisis. Their greed needs to be put in check or at least taxed more until the solution is figured out because they are ones who can afford to shoulder the burden. Certainly not the middle and lower classes, whose wealth as been declining at about 8% over the same time period.

I hear ya. Take 10 mins and watch Bernie Sanders not directly answer any of Maher's questions. It is on youtube.

louie.miragsYes, and that does not change the fact that when they are forced to pay more that those financial burdens will be passed along to the consumer.

My biggest gripe is that Bernie says the word "free" too much. Apparently his definition of the word "free" means "raise taxes". Which is fine if that is what people want. But say it like it is. Take his interview with Bill Maher for example. He gets asked direct questions about the budget and he dodges them. Watch for yourself..

They won't actually. Demand is low due solely to the fact that living as a lower class citizen is incredibly expensive, respectively. Upping the price will only cause people to buy even less. cutting big payouts to board members and CEOs is what corporations will be forced to do because they can't risk losing more profit.

see when you look at micro ecomomics, if demand and supply are both high then price is low. There is no shortage of cheap labor oversees, therefore we have an abundant supply. Demand is currently low due mostly to the high cost of living.

The consumer goods sector would fail if it werent for Black Friday and other seasonal holidays and this is because people can only afford to purchase goods once a year.


You understand that the richest people in this country employ a global mentality. They look at the world as their Eden and don't necessarily care about the well being of any particular culture or nation. This leads you believe that they will just pass the financial burden onto the consumer, but you need to acknowledge that currently consumers aren't doing very much consuming. Upping prices would only hurt profits and because of this I don't believe that we will see any significant increase in the price of anything if we tax the wealthy more.

louie.miragsI hear ya. Take 10 mins and watch Bernie Sanders not directly answer any of Maher's questions. It is on youtube.

Is this the one you are referring to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDRxbQlpqmo

He definitely dodges the "un-demonize what socialism is" question, which he could do rather easily but instead just names his platform ideas. But he does answer the questions of how to pay for all of the programs, which comes at the end.

Answering the "un-demonize socialism" would be easy since his platform isn't socialism. I personally would have liked him to answer that but he might just be sick of it. I have no idea. Either way, anyone who reads up on actual socialism will find that out.

moosevisionFinally Ben Carson, who apparently knows "nothing about anything else" but brain surgery. That's a very silly comment and honestly I'm not sure how to respond to something as ignorant as that... All I can do is encourage you to take a deeper look into his policies.

Here's his latest gem of ignorance:

Let's break this one down, as there are a few implications here. First, being the Biblical literalist that he is, he maintains that Noah did exist, built an Ark, put 2 of each animal on it, and then successfully sailed it. Secondly, he implies (which was part of his speech at the university) that because he is a political amateur that he is better equipped to lead the country than people who have been professional trained to do so. Do you think he holds the same opinion about me and my amateur interest in brain surgery? I'm pretty sure he would say leave that to the professionals.

Not going to lie I agree with a lot of what Sanders has to say. He's saying all of the right things and he seems like he has the right mindset. The problem is that his solution of raising taxes to 90% is NOT the answer. Even if you took 100% of the wealthiest people in America's money it wouldn't even come close to fix the inequality. More government regulation is NOT the answer. Keep America a democracy.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson

_Fluffy_

Careful, you're sounding like part of "vast right-wing conspiracy".

Oh and did I mention Sanders is also a sexist and mysoginist? (Gasp!)

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-sexism-bernie-sanders-215375

It's a difficult thing for leftists to have to take their own medicine.

Sanders is done, maybe that pathetic classified email defense of Clinton at the debate was not that well advised. Clinton makes Sanders look like a political novice, which is bad. As much as I despise Sanders and his policies, on a personal level he is not so rotten and corrupt as the Clinton machine. Somewhere inside him I think there is a genuine (albeit misguided) feeling of wanting to make things better for all through imposition of socialism. Clinton is the definition of pure power-hungry corruption.

The question I have, and I means this in all honesty, is would you Sanders supporters vote for Clinton in the general election knowing that she hoodwinked your candidate out of the nomination? Or will you fall back on that "lesser of two evils" bullshit?