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ImNotARacist
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HE IS OUR ONLY HOPE! IF YOU ARE 18 AND OLDER YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR SANDERS NEXT YEAR. FUCK THE MEDIA. FUCK THE "NOMINATIONS". VOTE SANDERS!

SANDERS
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https://berniesanders.com/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/bernie-sanders-inequality-president-interview

http://mic.com/articles/118292/millennials-are-with-bernie-sanders-on-almost-every-issue


SANDERS SANDERS SANDERS!!!!!

IM WRITING HIS NAME IN REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE BALLOT SAYS
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Campeador
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NickyToorIts Probably time to stop embarrassing yourself. Russia was communist, not socialist.


You may want to look up what the letters USSR stand for, buddy.
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Nikolaus
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CampeadorYou may want to look up what the letters USSR stand for, buddy.


Socialist in name only. Nobody said the Cold War was between the capitalists and the socialists. They said it was between the capitalists and communists. Nazis have the word socialist in their name and they were a very far right group. Bernie sanders is a social democrat, which is very different from Russia's "socialism." Socialism can mean many different things.
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While Bernie may not offer solutions I agree with, he is asking the questions I care about.
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Nikolaus
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bernie sanders type socialism has happened and it was successful. just look at finland, norway, sweden, and pretty much all of northern europe. And laissez faire capitalism is the same way. when trickle down fails and economic equality fails to occur, and the top 1% have as much wealth as the bottom 50%, and there is still rampant poverty, and ceo's still make 331 times the salary of the average worker, all you laissez faire capitalists say that they did it wrong and that "it will work for us."And you guys never fucking learn, cause you guys are all fucking stupid, which is permanent, cause you can't fucking fix stupid. …but im sure this time it will be different. You're an idiot.
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Campeador
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NickyToorSocialist in name only. Nobody said the Cold War was between the capitalists and the socialists. They said it was between the capitalists and communists. Nazis have the word socialist in their name and they were a very far right group. Bernie sanders is a social democrat, which is very different from Russia's "socialism." Socialism can mean many different things.


Socialism is an economic system. The National Socialists were very much a socialist party. One of the great feats of left-wing education is convincing the naive that far-right ideologies are equivalent to free-market principles.

Or perhaps you should actually look into the 25 Points of the National Socialist party, some of them are quite interesting.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

Here are some, notice the focus on "the State":

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood.

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts (corporations).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

The last one may as well have come directly out of Bernie Sanders' manifesto, except he wants to take it even further. A "free" education isn't worth shit if there are no jobs after, and it serves no benefit to society for taxpayers to be robbed to fund someone's Art History degree. While college costs are a problem, they would be solved through less socialism (restriction of student loans only to those who earn them), not more of it.
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Nikolaus
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13-15 are actually really good ideas. Giving financial aid to less students will only exacerbate the problem. We need to be like finland where all students get at least some financial aid. the current student loan and financial aid system is broken, like the healthcare system. Your conservative principles of shrinking aid down instead of increasing it can only make it worse.
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Campeador
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NickyToorbernie sanders type socialism has happened and it was successful. just look at finland, norway, sweden, and pretty much all of northern europe. And laissez faire capitalism is the same way. when trickle down fails and economic equality fails to occur, and the top 1% have as much wealth as the bottom 50%, and there is still rampant poverty, and ceo's still make 331 times the salary of the average worker, all you laissez faire capitalists say that they did it wrong and that "it will work for us."And you guys never fucking learn, cause you guys are all fucking stupid, which is permanent, cause you can't fucking fix stupid. …but im sure this time it will be different. You're an idiot.


Again, whenever uncomfortable truths arise about the failures of socialism the typical response is "Europe!", "Scandinavia!". Let me tell you, unless you've been living under a rock, most of Europe isn't doing that great. Socialist policies have all but destroyed the economies of Southern Europe, I've lived it and seen it. For example, few young people in France can find a full-time job, because companies cannot handle the ridiculous financial burdens of left-wing labor laws and still remain profitable. Socialists have this dream that production falls from the sky, and that it isn't based on incentives.

Even the Scandinavian "utopias" you talk about understand that incentives matter, you may want to look into how their taxation systems actually work. There are also strong cultural considerations to take into account in those countries as well. However, Sweden and Denmark in particular have been going down a dark road for quite a while now. They'll learn the hard way that you cannot have unrestricted immigration and a welfare state.

Your entire posts simply uses misleading statistics to provoke emotion and outrage, but have no actual value within a philosophic debate.
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Campeador
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NickyToor13-15 are actually really good ideas. Giving financial aid to less students will only exacerbate the problem. We need to be like finland where all students get at least some financial aid. the current student loan and financial aid system is broken, like the healthcare system. Your conservative principles of shrinking aid down instead of increasing it can only make it worse.



Seriously? I don't mean to speculate but I must assume that your high school civics teacher has gotten you fired up on the issues, and turned you into a "social justice" crusader. Your arguments are lacking at best.

Unless of course you also believe that everyone who applies for a home loan should get one, and that flooding the market with home loan credit had not impact on the housing bubble that crashed in 2008 (assuming you're old enough to remember that far back).

Perhaps the solution to the housing debt crisis was to just make homes free! Bernie Sanders 2016!

If you want to argue economics, you should at least learn the basics. And no, reading Paul Krugman Op-Ed columns does not count.
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Nikolaus
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CampeadorAgain, whenever uncomfortable truths arise about the failures of socialism the typical response is "Europe!", "Scandinavia!". Let me tell you, unless you've been living under a rock, most of Europe isn't doing that great. Socialist policies have all but destroyed the economies of Southern Europe, I've lived it and seen it. For example, few young people in France can find a full-time job, because companies cannot handle the ridiculous financial burdens of left-wing labor laws and still remain profitable. Socialists have this dream that production falls from the sky, and that it isn't based on incentives.

Even the Scandinavian "utopias" you talk about understand that incentives matter, you may want to look into how their taxation systems actually work. There are also strong cultural considerations to take into account in those countries as well. However, Sweden and Denmark in particular have been going down a dark road for quite a while now. They'll learn the hard way that you cannot have unrestricted immigration and a welfare state.

Your entire posts simply uses misleading statistics to provoke emotion and outrage, but have no actual value within a philosophic debate.


I know most of europe isnt doing that great. the places that are doing well are the more socialist countries in northern europe. Incentives are necessary, and you can have them with socialism. as you pointed out yourself, Scandinavia knows incentives are important and they have them. how exactly are my statistics misleading?
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Nikolaus
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CampeadorSeriously? I don't mean to speculate but I must assume that your high school civics teacher has gotten you fired up on the issues, and turned you into a "social justice" crusader. Your arguments are lacking at best.

Unless of course you also believe that everyone who applies for a home loan should get one, and that flooding the market with home loan credit had not impact on the housing bubble that crashed in 2008 (assuming you're old enough to remember that far back).

Perhaps the solution to the housing debt crisis was to just make homes free! Bernie Sanders 2016!

If you want to argue economics, you should at least learn the basics. And no, reading Paul Krugman Op-Ed columns does not count.


i believe that more people that apply for home loans should get them. I also believe that if houses were more affordable, less people would need home loans.
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Campeador
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NickyToori believe that more people that apply for home loans should get them. I also believe that if houses were more affordable, less people would need home loans.



So, to understand correctly, people should be given home loans regardless of their ability to pay it back. By extension, people should have their college educations fully paid for, regardless of whether or not this education leads to a job when they graduate.

You also understand that the more loans, the more expensive homes become? More money, created through credit, chasing finite goods (homes) invariably leads to increases in price for those goods. Your grasp of the basic principles of economics is all backwards.
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turducken
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CampeadorYou may want to look up what the letters USSR stand for, buddy.


Yeah, and North Korea is officially the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. Just because the countries name states a certain ideology doesn't mean they are representative of the ideology, buddy.
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Campeador
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Paedophile-PopeYeah, and North Korea is officially the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. Just because the countries name states a certain ideology doesn't mean they are representative of the ideology, buddy.


If you want to get into semantics, Communism was described as a "higher-level" of Socialism, but Socialism nonetheless. As such, the Soviets always described themselves as Socialists. Their 1936 Constitution describes the Soviet Union as a "Socialist State".

I don't think you'll find many North Koreans who consider themselves "Democrats". The Orwellian use of the word "Democratic" by the DPRK is not analogous to the Soviet example I gave, but nice try there buddy.
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Nikolaus
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CampeadorSo, to understand correctly, people should be given home loans regardless of their ability to pay it back. By extension, people should have their college educations fully paid for, regardless of whether or not this education leads to a job when they graduate.

You also understand that the more loans, the more expensive homes become? More money, created through credit, chasing finite goods (homes) invariably leads to increases in price for those goods. Your grasp of the basic principles of economics is all backwards.


I don't think that people who have no way of paying loans back should be given them. I think that loans should be easier to pay off, with longer time periods to pay and lower interest rates. I also think that the government should make some housing in bad economic areas like Detroit cheaper as an incentive for people to move to that area and help the economy. I am not saying that all college no matter what should be free, but that it should be a lot cheaper, more generosity with grants and financial aid, especially in areas such as math, science, and languag, which are the most useful and lead to the most jobs. Also, I support affirmative action.
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Rosbif
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To those who support maintaining the neoliberal status quo, what are your feelings on rising inequality? Can it be right that the richest get ever wealthier whilst the poorest suffer?

I agree with the concept that people won't ever, and shouldn't be equal, but I feel like it's stupidly easy to make money if you start with a lot (which is how the majority of rich people are rich). Shouldn't those who have an excess help those who don't more than they are?

A lot of people on the right come off as selfish, cold hearted bastards, sure economics are important, but what about morals?
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T-Nutcracker
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DlCKHE IS OUR ONLY HOPE! IF YOU ARE 18 AND OLDER YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR SANDERS NEXT YEAR. FUCK THE MEDIA. FUCK THE "NOMINATIONS". VOTE SANDERS!

SANDERS
SANDERS
SANDERS

https://berniesanders.com/

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/bernie-sanders-inequality-president-interview

http://mic.com/articles/118292/millennials-are-with-bernie-sanders-on-almost-every-issue


SANDERS SANDERS SANDERS!!!!!

IM WRITING HIS NAME IN REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE BALLOT SAYS

WHO DA F IS DAT SANDERZ ???
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miroz
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This is a great post, thanks. I'm reading about EITC now.

I'm curious as to how you feel about money in politics?
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CheddarJack
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~~~~~~~~While Bernie may not offer solutions I agree with, he is asking the questions I care about.


DING DING DING DING DING


And this is why millennials love him - and it's dangerous. Bernie has a great social media presence and posts some really lovable stuff. But when you dig deeper into his politics, it gets a lot dicier. A large amount of said millennials don't do that digging and don't know if they even agree with his views but they want to because, like you said, he's asking the same questions as them.
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NickyToori believe that more people that apply for home loans should get them. I also believe that if houses were more affordable, less people would need home loans.


So 2008 all over again?
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ImNotARacist
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John stewart just said something about Sanders, that means he is real.
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ImNotARacist
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https://store.berniesanders.com/

THIS JUST HAPPENED. REP YOUR HOOD!
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CheddarJack
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DlCKhttps://store.berniesanders.com/

THIS JUST HAPPENED. REP YOUR HOOD!


Rand Paul's got the best apparel
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Kooky_Lukey
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DlCKJohn stewart just said something about Sanders, that means he is real.


Jon Stewart is so left sided it makes his show unbearable to watch.

Go Rand, fuck Sanders. Sanders is making the rich the enemy when they are already being taxed out the ass.

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.frenchy
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You're fucking brain dead if you wouldn't actually vote this dingus into office. I'd rather Obama serve 2 more terms that have that nut-job 90 year old at the White House.
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S.J.W
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.frenchyYou're fucking brain dead if you wouldn't actually vote this dingus into office. I'd rather Obama serve 2 more terms that have that nut-job 90 year old at the White House.


Still better than any republican candidate, and Hilary
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.frenchy
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S.J.WStill better than any republican candidate, and Hilary


Good thing you're Canadian.
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ndye
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Kooky_Lukey


You know how i can tell your parents are conservative?

You cited, hold weight in, and believe a fox news infographic
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.frenchy
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ndyeYou know how i can tell your parents are conservative?

You cited, hold weight in, and believe a fox news infographic


Uh, those are all stats from the IRS..... Which aren't too fond of republicans. So shut the fuck up.
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ImNotARacist
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.frenchyUh, those are all stats from the IRS..... Which aren't too fond of republicans. So shut the fuck up.


What is the total amount of wealth owned by the top 25%? The reason there is such a large difference is because there is such a large gap between the annual income of the top 25% and the annual income of the bottom 50%. When you break down the difference in income within the top 25% the problem is even larger. The graph explains nothing. No strong conclusions about anything can be made based solely off that graph.
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theabortionator
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Colonel Sanders for mayor for shizzle!


The price of the fried chicken is too damn high!
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ndye
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.frenchyUh, those are all stats from the IRS..... Which aren't too fond of republicans. So shut the fuck up.


From the IRS as interpreted by Fox News.

You ever seen a Forbes analysis of global warming?

The top percentages do pay way more in income taxes (as they clearly fucking should)

The biggest issue I have is with corporations who have effective tax rates below 10%, and the rules currently in place for corporations to capitalize on these things.

The current corporation federal tax rate is 35% but the average effective tax rate for corporations is 12.6% with many massive corporations having effective tax rates of 0%
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ImNotARacist
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ndyeFrom the IRS as interpreted by Fox News.

You ever seen a Forbes analysis of global warming?

The top percentages do pay way more in income taxes (as they clearly fucking should)

The biggest issue I have is with corporations who have effective tax rates below 10%, and the rules currently in place for corporations to capitalize on these things.

The current corporation federal tax rate is 35% but the average effective tax rate for corporations is 12.6% with many massive corporations having effective tax rates of 0%


YEAH SO SHUT THE UP FUCK FRENCHY!
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ImNotARacist
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ROLLING STONES JUST RELEASED AN ARTICLE ABOUT SANDERS. ROLLING STONES. BERNIE SANDERS. 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/three-days-on-the-campaign-trail-with-bernie-sanders-20150604
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Lemuel
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I'm all for Bernie. The only thing I do not agree on is the minimum wage hike to $15/hr. Whole thread on that before, we know why that shouldn't happen. I'd be keeping my job if that happened but it would be tough to leave it and find something else when that time arises.
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ImNotARacist
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LemuelI'm all for Bernie. The only thing I do not agree on is the minimum wage hike to $15/hr. Whole thread on that before, we know why that shouldn't happen. I'd be keeping my job if that happened but it would be tough to leave it and find something else when that time arises.


$15/hr will never happen nation wide, its much too radical. Based off my experience $9/hr would at least bring some out of poverty. I know that the cost of housing in some parts of the country is quite low so if people want to succeed they are going to need to remove themselves from their comfort zone.
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.frenchy
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DlCK$15/hr will never happen nation wide, its much too radical. Based off my experience $9/hr would at least bring some out of poverty. I know that the cost of housing in some parts of the country is quite low so if people want to succeed they are going to need to remove themselves from their comfort zone.


lol the min wage in CT is over 9$

SMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol xD
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ImNotARacist
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.frenchylol the min wage in CT is over 9$

SMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol xD




The minimum wage for servers in UT is $2.13 and cheap asses only tip 15% That is fucked up.
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.frenchy
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DlCKThe minimum wage for servers in UT is $2.13 and cheap asses only tip 15% That is fucked up.


damnnnnnnnn dude thats rough
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ndye
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LemuelI'm all for Bernie. The only thing I do not agree on is the minimum wage hike to $15/hr. Whole thread on that before, we know why that shouldn't happen. I'd be keeping my job if that happened but it would be tough to leave it and find something else when that time arises.


He proposes $10.10 but says that 15 isn't unreasonable, generally in regards to specific areas.
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slugworth
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.frenchyYou're fucking brain dead if you wouldn't actually vote this dingus into office. I'd rather Obama serve 2 more terms that have that nut-job 90 year old at the White House.


you sir, are a fuck
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ImNotARacist
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CONAIR_BUSCEMISo 2008 all over again?


They were giving people loans to purchase McMansions. What if there was a loan for someone with the typical apartment budget? My rent is the same as most peoples mortgages. If I could theoretically get a low interest loan for around 150k, I could invest in my own SMALL condo/home and then pay the same amount im paying now except I am now developing my future. I cant get a loan though and its hard to save enough for a down payment while paying rent at the same time. My main point is that the entire housing market needs to be restructured. we need more reasonably sized homes that are more affordable for the middle class that exists today, which makes $15000 leas annually than the middle class families of the 70s.
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theabortionator
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DlCKThe minimum wage for servers in UT is $2.13 and cheap asses only tip 15% That is fucked up.


Well we should remove tipping 100% and then yall can get paid minimum wage. Obligatory tipping is for the mother fucking birds.

Also some of the shit sanders says is kind of wut. Not sure who I'm going to vote for.
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SFBv420.0
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DlCKThey were giving people loans to purchase McMansions. What if there was a loan for someone with the typical apartment budget? My rent is the same as most peoples mortgages. If I could theoretically get a low interest loan for around 150k, I could invest in my own SMALL condo/home and then pay the same amount im paying now except I am now developing my future. I cant get a loan though and its hard to save enough for a down payment while paying rent at the same time. My main point is that the entire housing market needs to be restructured. we need more reasonably sized homes that are more affordable for the middle class that exists today, which makes $15000 leas annually than the middle class families of the 70s.


theoretically you could quit wastin time arguing politics on a skiing based forum and earn enough $$$ to get that loan or the down payment.
but hitting post reply is way fuckin easier
and your landlord appreciates your developing your future 1 retarded post and rent check at a time.
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Charlie_Kelly
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I love how cobra_commander is convinced that if Sanders is elected he would turn America into a socialist nation. Thats the problem with a lot of conservatives way of thinking, they seem to think because a candidate has some socialist views they are going to turn the U.S. into the next China. Its fucking ridiculous. Bush and Clinton are only going to help the U.S. further spin down the rabbit hole.

As for the student loan comment made on the first page, FALSE! Its not fed loans that are going to cause the markets to crash, its the privatized loans with insane interest rates. Fun fact, Fannie Mae along with others like AIG are responsible for the housing market crash of 2008. You know whats a subsidiary of Fannie Mae? Sallie Mae. You know who is one of the largest private lenders of student aid? Sallie Mae.

The greed some of you speak of created by capitalism is the same greed that put us into the economic recession we are barely limping out of now. Not saying capitalism is worse than socialism, just saying a lot of people lost their livelihoods because of greed, mainly in the 1%.
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Charlie_Kelly
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.frenchyYou're fucking brain dead if you wouldn't actually vote this dingus into office. I'd rather Obama serve 2 more terms that have that nut-job 90 year old at the White House.


A lot of people felt that same way about Jon McCain. Wonder why Obama won...
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S.J.W
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SFBv420.0theoretically you could quit wastin time arguing politics on a skiing based forum and earn enough $$$ to get that loan or the down payment.
but hitting post reply is way fuckin easier
and your landlord appreciates your developing your future 1 retarded post and rent check at a time.


what money are you going to earn in the 30 seconds it takes to reply to someone on a forum??? Oh yeah I be making that 1 cent yo
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