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More speed for summer Set up + video

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Ian_Fitz
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hey so idk whats wrong... I have watched other videos with just turf on the same steepness and height of my drop in and they have more then enough speed. I can 270 onto my rail but Its hard to even 270 off oh my rail with the amount of speed im getting... any advise would be great and +1 for good answers theirs an edit with it so you can see my setup!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxx_k6nr-5Q&feature=youtu.be
Apr 13 2015 1:13AM
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broto
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those sharp transitions are killing all of your speed
Apr 13 2015 1:19AM
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yeahno
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More water and soap on the ramp, I used to use tire cleaner on the bottom of my skis, too. But yes, those harsh transition will fuck ya up.
Apr 13 2015 1:34AM
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pifft.
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i had the same problem then i got some construction fencing and it works great now. and fix that sharp transition.
Apr 13 2015 1:36AM
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Breaking_Rad
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Agree. Sharp transitions killing it. Also probably making it tougher overall.

If you wanted to take the easy route you could probably get some Msnow for the remainder of the setup - maybe $80 worth. But maybe cutting into that first drop at about the 2.5 ft mark (from bottom) and making a gradual angle might help w/ speed maintenance.

(FYI...not just talking out of my ass. Built a similar ramp w/ a 5ft drop in that has too much speed sometimes (enough for about a 15 ft rail)...all MSnow, though.
Apr 13 2015 2:14AM
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Breaking_Rad
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Oh, and to add to my earlier post...I claim to "have it right" now w/ mere 5 ft drop.

Let me add that I totally fucked it up the year before (not enough speed on same drop). Honestly, the MSnow made a shit-ton of difference. Not to plug their product because they aren't paying me or anything, but it does work. So, yeah...props for MSnow.
Apr 13 2015 2:16AM
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Breaking_Rad
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Breaking_RadOh, and to add to my earlier post...I claim to "have it right" now w/ mere 5 ft drop.

Let me add that I totally fucked it up the year before (not enough speed on same drop). Honestly, the MSnow made a shit-ton of difference. Not to plug their product because they aren't paying me or anything, but it does work. So, yeah...props for MSnow.


Last dumb quote cause it didn't feel clear.

When it didn't work I was using PVC and that fake green hardware store grass.

When it did work was when I replaced a few segments with Msnow to gain some needed speed. I still have some PVC in the design, but the Msnow is a lot faster than just the fake grass which adds friction.
Apr 13 2015 2:20AM
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FrankerZ
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Try waxing your skis. Makes a big difference
Apr 13 2015 3:48AM
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VD.
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FrankerZTry waxing your skis. Makes a big difference


If your going to wax your skis for a summer set up, wax with a very cold wax. Try something a Swix CH3 Powdered Wax or a Toko Cold Powder, then wax over that with a cold but solid wax like a Swix CH4 and try and find a wax with graphite in it like a Swix LGF4.

It's also worth trying a furniture polish on your bases, I've always found that makes me slide a hell of a lot faster on artificial surfaces.
Apr 13 2015 5:34AM
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VD.
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FrankerZTry waxing your skis. Makes a big difference


If your going to wax your skis for a summer set up, wax with a very cold wax. Try something a Swix CH3 Powdered Wax or a Toko Cold Powder, then wax over that with a cold but solid wax like a Swix CH4 and try and find a wax with graphite in it like a Swix LGF4.

It's also worth trying a furniture polish on your bases, I've always found that makes me slide a hell of a lot faster on artificial surfaces.
Apr 13 2015 5:34AM
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-InfamousMax-
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https://www.newschoolers.com/cultthread/472893/11-Tips-for-getting--and-keeping-speed

Here u go!
Apr 13 2015 6:58AM
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Mr.noodle
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Me and my friend had this problem and so we got 2 pallets and stacked them under the transition, so that made the transition less vigorous and made getting on the rail easier
Apr 13 2015 7:32AM
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Ian_Fitz
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Breaking_RadAgree. Sharp transitions killing it. Also probably making it tougher overall.

If you wanted to take the easy route you could probably get some Msnow for the remainder of the setup - maybe $80 worth. But maybe cutting into that first drop at about the 2.5 ft mark (from bottom) and making a gradual angle might help w/ speed maintenance.

(FYI...not just talking out of my ass. Built a similar ramp w/ a 5ft drop in that has too much speed sometimes (enough for about a 15 ft rail)...all MSnow, though.


Breaking_RadOh, and to add to my earlier post...I claim to "have it right" now w/ mere 5 ft drop.

Let me add that I totally fucked it up the year before (not enough speed on same drop). Honestly, the MSnow made a shit-ton of difference. Not to plug their product because they aren't paying me or anything, but it does work. So, yeah...props for MSnow.


I can't afford M snow... Almost all my $ for the next two months is going to my ski summer camp fund. Materials I have are a lot of ply wood, pallets, more plastic fencing, carpet, and turf. I can spend a little on materials but no more then 40$.
Apr 13 2015 9:28AM
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Ian_Fitz
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VD.If your going to wax your skis for a summer set up, wax with a very cold wax. Try something a Swix CH3 Powdered Wax or a Toko Cold Powder, then wax over that with a cold but solid wax like a Swix CH4 and try and find a wax with graphite in it like a Swix LGF4.

It's also worth trying a furniture polish on your bases, I've always found that makes me slide a hell of a lot faster on artificial surfaces.


I think I'm gonna change the setup I know wax would help along with possibly polish but my friends arnt gonna want to wax there skis if they are trying to do the setup. Idk I think I just need to change the sharp transitions and if I still don't have enough speed I'll buy 40$ worth of M snow which probably won't be that much because i know that shit is expensive!
Apr 13 2015 9:33AM
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tommyk141
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Put some wood 4x4s on the top of the drop in so you can push off and pump to get speed.
Apr 13 2015 9:36AM
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VD.
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iantheunderdogIdk I think I just need to change the sharp transitions and if I still don't have enough speed I'll buy 40$ worth of M snow which probably won't be that much because i know that shit is expensive!


Change the transitions for sure, but you'll probably want to spray some Mr Sheen or Back to Black (bumper shiner for cars) too to make the most of the set up; mind you'll need to reapply them a couple of times over the course of the day.
Apr 13 2015 9:39AM
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_69
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tommyk141Put some wood 4x4s on the top of the drop in so you can push off and pump to get speed.


Don't listen to tom. He's a nerd.

In all seriousness, just go out and buy some plastic lattice fencing and put it on you drop in. That's what I did this spring, works awesome.
Apr 13 2015 9:39AM
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Ian_Fitz
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Breaking_RadAgree. Sharp transitions killing it. Also probably making it tougher overall.

If you wanted to take the easy route you could probably get some Msnow for the remainder of the setup - maybe $80 worth. But maybe cutting into that first drop at about the 2.5 ft mark (from bottom) and making a gradual angle might help w/ speed maintenance.

(FYI...not just talking out of my ass. Built a similar ramp w/ a 5ft drop in that has too much speed sometimes (enough for about a 15 ft rail)...all MSnow, though.


Breaking_RadOh, and to add to my earlier post...I claim to "have it right" now w/ mere 5 ft drop.

Let me add that I totally fucked it up the year before (not enough speed on same drop). Honestly, the MSnow made a shit-ton of difference. Not to plug their product because they aren't paying me or anything, but it does work. So, yeah...props for MSnow.


Breaking_RadLast dumb quote cause it didn't feel clear.

When it didn't work I was using PVC and that fake green hardware store grass.

When it did work was when I replaced a few segments with Msnow to gain some needed speed. I still have some PVC in the design, but the Msnow is a lot faster than just the fake grass which adds friction.

if I could give you more karma I would, your answers were just what I was looking for along with the sharp transitions other people were mentioning. Thanks for the help and no dumb posts especially when I'm just trying to get all the info I need to make my set up better!
THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT ANSWERS EVERYBODY!
Apr 13 2015 9:41AM
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_69
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AnGaperDon't listen to tom. He's a nerd.

In all seriousness, just go out and buy some plastic lattice fencing and put it on you drop in. That's what I did this spring, works awesome.


Oops. Just watched the edit, noticed you already have the lattice down. I would say that the transitions are killin you. My mid part is still raised up at an angle, so it maintains the speed. I would suggest trying to raise the flat part and trying to angle it.
Apr 13 2015 9:44AM
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tommyk141
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AnGaperDon't listen to tom. He's a nerd.

In all seriousness, just go out and buy some plastic lattice fencing and put it on you drop in. That's what I did this spring, works awesome.


It will allow you to push off the top which means more speed, I have my own summer setup and my drop in is only 3 1/2 tall with plenty of speed. John18061806 can confirm this.
Apr 13 2015 12:57PM
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_69
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tommyk141It will allow you to push off the top which means more speed, I have my own summer setup and my drop in is only 3 1/2 tall with plenty of speed. John18061806 can confirm this.


I was kidding bruh. I know your setup works. Just link the videos for OP
Apr 13 2015 1:19PM
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John18_6
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tommyk141John18061806 can confirm this.


Lel toam hes a koll drep en rolf but i hevent het it in awhale
Apr 13 2015 1:20PM
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Lexicon7
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We have loads of tricks for speed here in the UK (dryslope racing represent)

Would recommend waxing your skis with a cold temp durable wax, durable more important. some people use graphite or special spray for snow however, furniture polish is literally gods gift to dry slope, about £0.40 a can, and makes so much difference.
Apr 13 2015 1:28PM
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elcornholio
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More soap and round out those tranny's.
Apr 13 2015 2:08PM
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Ian_Fitz
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tommyk141It will allow you to push off the top which means more speed, I have my own summer setup and my drop in is only 3 1/2 tall with plenty of speed. John18061806 can confirm this.
do you have a rail as tall as mine so you have enough speed to get onto it?
Apr 13 2015 2:53PM
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John18_6
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iantheunderdogdo you have a rail as tall as mine so you have enough speed to get onto it?


Toam'z rels r tenytiny lyke heh is. Dey r lik sex enches of Grundy hehhee lol rolfcopter
Apr 13 2015 3:06PM
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grassojack
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In all of these summer set ups people are always talking about the construction fence. Should I be looking for the orange or white ones? Are they loose or stiff? The one in this video looks stiff, but the orange ones I've seen online look floppy. Which one is the right one???
Apr 13 2015 3:24PM
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Ian_Fitz
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john18061806Toam'z rels r tenytiny lyke heh is. Dey r lik sex enches of Grundy hehhee lol rolfcopter
lul tumms reels teenyteni ad tha baddd
Apr 13 2015 3:30PM
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r.simp
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grassojackIn all of these summer set ups people are always talking about the construction fence. Should I be looking for the orange or white ones? Are they loose or stiff? The one in this video looks stiff, but the orange ones I've seen online look floppy. Which one is the right one???
I'm pretty sure you're talking about construction fence(orange) and lattice fencing (white) I've heard that lattice is better, but I've never had any experience with it so you might want to look at some forums and Google it.
Apr 13 2015 3:45PM
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T-Van
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Rub some wax onto the base of your skis , normal hot wax works best for me , although candle wax also does the job
Apr 14 2015 1:11AM
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T-Van
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Rub some wax onto the base of your skis , normal hot wax works best for me , although candle wax also does the job
Apr 14 2015 1:11AM
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Ian_Fitz
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grassojackIn all of these summer set ups people are always talking about the construction fence. Should I be looking for the orange or white ones? Are they loose or stiff? The one in this video looks stiff, but the orange ones I've seen online look floppy. Which one is the right one???


White lattice... In the video I have lattice to green construction fence to turf. Lattice is the fastest tho. It all depends how big of a hill or drop in you have.
Apr 14 2015 9:46AM
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Ian_Fitz
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brotothose sharp transitions are killing all of your speed


Breaking_RadAgree. Sharp transitions killing it. Also probably making it tougher overall.

If you wanted to take the easy route you could probably get some Msnow for the remainder of the setup - maybe $80 worth. But maybe cutting into that first drop at about the 2.5 ft mark (from bottom) and making a gradual angle might help w/ speed maintenance.

(FYI...not just talking out of my ass. Built a similar ramp w/ a 5ft drop in that has too much speed sometimes (enough for about a 15 ft rail)...all MSnow, though.


ANY IDEAS ON HOW TO MAKE THE ANGLE from drop in BETTER?
Mr.noodleMe and my friend had this problem and so we got 2 pallets and stacked them under the transition, so that made the transition less vigorous and made getting on the rail easier


Like 2 pallets under the ramp or have 2 pallets next to each other and take off the bottom of the dropin and prop the far pallet from drop in up for a ramp? Should I just prop everything up with cinder and the place pallets under? Should I cut the pallets at a rounded angle if they go in the center and not under?
Apr 14 2015 9:54AM
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Breaking_Rad
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iantheunderdogANY IDEAS ON HOW TO MAKE THE ANGLE from drop in BETTER?


Like 2 pallets under the ramp or have 2 pallets next to each other and take off the bottom of the dropin and prop the far pallet from drop in up for a ramp? Should I just prop everything up with cinder and the place pallets under? Should I cut the pallets at a rounded angle if they go in the center and not under?


So what I did was steal a bit of what the Msnow dude did here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxx_k6nr-5Q&feature=youtu.be

...but the transition (on the one I built) isn't nearly as smooth as his... (I'd take a pic but it is sort of disassembled in the basement right now). I think the speed of the Msnow sort of makes up for the fact that my transition isn't as smooth. Mine looked a lot like yours initially, but the way mine was built (more wood in structure). I just cut what I had and sort of hinged it at less of an angle toward the bottom....so it goes from maybe 55 degrees to 30 degrees to flat rather than an abrupt 55 degrees to flat like it used to.

On your setup that would be tough to pull off so I think you could do something more like the mSnow video above where he climbs some plywood (probably two pieces) and mellow out that steep to flat tranny to more rounded and less abrupt. Seems like you could shim in a similar manner. It wouldn't look as clean as what you have now, but it would be functional.

Maybe other people have better ideas, but it seems you could get away with it pretty cheap with a couple small pieces of plywood and some blocking underneath.
Apr 14 2015 10:32AM
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Mr.noodle
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iantheunderdogANY IDEAS ON HOW TO MAKE THE ANGLE from drop in BETTER?


Like 2 pallets under the ramp or have 2 pallets next to each other and take off the bottom of the dropin and prop the far pallet from drop in up for a ramp? Should I just prop everything up with cinder and the place pallets under? Should I cut the pallets at a rounded angle if they go in the center and not under?


I had 2 pallets stacked under the flat part so it would prop it up making the drop in angle lower and the jump onto the rail less vigorous
Apr 14 2015 10:40AM
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TOAST.
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Another thing you could try is to take off the turf on the drop in and put 2x4s going perpendicular on that top piece of plywood then put the turf on the 2x4s so there is less surface area from your skis touching the turf. It will kind of look like a ladder, not surf if any of that made sense.
Apr 14 2015 10:51AM
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Ian_Fitz
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I get what you mean, it's hard to see but I have green construction Fence over the turf. The only turf exposed is the turf on the ramp.
Apr 14 2015 1:50PM
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Breaking_Rad
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iantheunderdogI get what you mean, it's hard to see but I have green construction Fence over the turf. The only turf exposed is the turf on the ramp.


Shit, I guess I posted your link by mistake.

Meant to post this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAgQ1yDn5K8

Check out around 50 second mark through like 1:30
Apr 14 2015 3:19PM
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hippy.killer
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I feel like you have enough speed its just the kicker is where you're losing all of it. Are you using different turf on the kicker? and maybe make the kicker not as steep. Or build a smaller kicker onto a smaller rail. Hope yours works I just finished building my own
Apr 14 2015 4:18PM
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ScubaSteveFather
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Also if you have any slight hill or drop that helps I had a 5 ft tall drop in with the same sharp transitions as you but luckily in my yard there was a small drop (like a 2ft cliff) and I just set them jump on that small drop and then the rail after it. Gave me plenty of speed especially with rail tilted down a bit (put some wood blocks under front of it)
Apr 14 2015 5:51PM
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