North.WestWas grateful dead even music though? It was just a bunch of drugged out hippies making sounds, and it sounded nothing like the REAL music made by Mozart, Beethoven, and Bach.
who said rappers aren't on drugs? there was a point where a majority of 90's rap, specifically from new york was made on crack. shit, there were anti crack rap PSA's that were made by rappers that were on some crack when they make the ad.
if you're going to talk shit about music made on drugs you would be talking shit about 90% of music, period. there are sober greats out there, like frank zappa, but a large majority of these people find inspiration in altered states of mind.
the grateful dead just happened to be around when acid started making rounds in the USA after the government tested it on many people in the sf bay area especially near stanford in palo alto.
and the dead's following may have been hippies but the band was the opposite--many people who were around the band and also the band themselves were confused by this. they were a band of pirates that were followed around by tofu eating love people. shit dude when they started out they were eating an all-meat diet, which i've never heard of a hippie doing to this day. and musically speaking they pushed things to levels that have never been reached and many will say they haven't been surpassed. i will say nobody in the artform that we know as rock n roll had brought modal improvisation to heights that garcia did, as well as the rest of the band. if you don't know what modal improvisation is you should just leave the thread and google it before replying next. hint: think about jazz greats like miles davis and john coltrane (but don't listen to them, they're just black people on drugs blowing into horns, and are nothing like mozart and beethoven--according to your bullshit reasoning)
they never played the same song the same way twice, and never played the same set. and they sold way more concert tickets than any rapper has to this day. you can't even mention studio rap work and the grateful dead in the same sentence, musically speaking.
you sound like a compositional music fanatic, which is fine because both types of music are cool, but i can't expect you to have a sound opinion of music whose popularity is based off of improvisation and variation--each song hits a different peak, or doesn't every time its played. there are good nights and bad nights. its literally the most balls to the wall way to play music there is. it's like if a rapper freestyled over every song and stretched it out and flowed into other songs--except that shit would get boring because they are just words at the end of the day and they can only make up so many word combinations, and there is no real tension and release (thats another thing you should know about if you know what "real?" music is, or look it up) that is possible with talking that has meter.
with that said you might want to check out some of the dead's composed stuff like Terrapin Station, or maybe start with one of the best records ever made--American Beauty. it's a lot more than "hippies just making noise on drugs" and you are literally retarded and have no "real?" concept of music if thats what you think it all boils down to.
mozart, beethoven, stravinsky, bach, are all amazing musicians and I believe garcia and the things he did for music should be regarded up there with those guys, albeit in a different realm because the majority of his work was improvisational. to say those guys weren't on drugs is unreasonable, who are you to say there werent drugs or alcohol in those day (yes, alcohol is also a drug, child).
that's not to say rap isn't fun to listen to from time to time. i love the song waves by joey badass, PIMP by JayZ, fuckin biggie smalls, tupac (who was good friends with jerry garcia's daughter actually). but will i listen to it and seek out different versions of the tune so I can see what these guys do to their tunes differently? no because its simply not that interesting aside from one off studio runs.
but honestly, I'm the real idiot here, writing out fucking paragraphs to argue with some minor halfway across the country on the definition of "real" music. I don't recommend any of you do this, its stupid and a waste of time and truly makes me look like the dumb motherfucker in the room for even considering your opinion enough to read it, let alone put this much effort in to refute it. but whatever, i've written it and you needed some education. maybe I'm doing the world some good?
