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Air Canada flight 624 crash.

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mseward
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AC624 crash landed in Halifax this morning/ last night. routine flight from Toronto to Halifax. No casualties and only minor injuries reported. Ive personally flown on ac624 4 times since September.

"Skidded off the runway after hard landing" , but there is damage to a powerline under the approach path and the plane somehow lost its landing gear and ended up skidding to a stop on the fuselage and not the gear.

Full Story:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/air-canada-ac624-crash-airline-says-weather-conditions-were-safe-1.3013979

Will be interesting to see the results of the full investiagtion

Discuss here.
Mar 29 2015 1:39PM
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GayWolf420
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AIR TRAVEL NO LONGER SAFE? SEND US YOUR THOUGHTS VIA OUR HASHTAG #DEATHINTHESKY
Mar 29 2015 2:25PM
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mseward
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DeebieSkeebiesAIR TRAVEL NO LONGER SAFE? SEND US YOUR THOUGHTS VIA OUR HASHTAG #DEATHINTHESKY


lol is that a real thing?
Mar 29 2015 2:40PM
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Anathema
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thats crazy i travel to and from halifax from ottawa frequently. my sister lives there and i have friends in halifax. i usually go westjet or porter, however. scary though! glad to hear it was just a rough landing that lead to no serious injuries.
Mar 29 2015 2:46PM
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Bloviator
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'Landed' runway 05, in very bad weather conditions:
CYHZ 290313Z 35020G26KT 1/2SM R14/3500V4500FT/N SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2963 RMKSN8 SLP040
CYHZ 290300Z CCA 34019G25KT 1/4SM R14/P6000VM0300FT/N +SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2962 RMK SN8 /S09/ SLP038

Runway 05 has only NDB or non-precision approach without vertical guidance. Sounds like some challenging winds on final, with the pilot wanting all the runway he can get for braking. Glad no fatalities.
Mar 29 2015 3:04PM
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Phil-X-
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Bloviator'Landed' runway 05, in very bad weather conditions:
CYHZ 290313Z 35020G26KT 1/2SM R14/3500V4500FT/N SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2963 RMKSN8 SLP040
CYHZ 290300Z CCA 34019G25KT 1/4SM R14/P6000VM0300FT/N +SN DRSN VV003 M06/M07 A2962 RMK SN8 /S09/ SLP038

Runway 05 has only NDB or non-precision approach without vertical guidance. Sounds like some challenging winds on final, with the pilot wanting all the runway he can get for braking. Glad no fatalities.


"Bloviator" = blow aviator?

Sounds like he knows what he's talking about, Ill take his word for it
Mar 29 2015 3:11PM
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JeremyClarkson
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DeebieSkeebiesAIR TRAVEL NO LONGER SAFE? SEND US YOUR THOUGHTS VIA OUR HASHTAG #DEATHINTHESKY


OH GOD IM SO SCARED! CNN WILL KEEP ME SAFE AS LONG AS I KEEP WATCHING!
Mar 29 2015 3:43PM
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Bloviator
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Phil-X-"Bloviator" = blow aviator?

Sounds like he knows what he's talking about, Ill take his word for it


I am an aviator, but I just fly those deadly little put-put kind of planes. Not comm stuff.

The name is just a noun form for someone who talks a lot, but never really says anything. Frex; "Oh my god - now you're going to gibber-jabber about gibber-jabber!".

bloviate
[ ˈblōvēˌāt ]
VERB US informal
talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
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Mar 29 2015 4:30PM
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Phil-X-
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BloviatorI am an aviator, but I just fly those deadly little put-put kind of planes. Not comm stuff.

The name is just a noun form for someone who talks a lot, but never really says anything. Frex; "Oh my god - now you're going to gibber-jabber about gibber-jabber!".


No.... you are a commercial pilot who has an awesome addiction to coke and sex...


crazy video of a russian pilot letting his son take controls, accidentally disengaging autop, and trying to correct the flight. crazy
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/763989/Aeroflot-Flight-593-Crash-Animation---CVR
Mar 29 2015 5:04PM
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Kazabazua
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DeebieSkeebiesAIR TRAVEL NO LONGER SAFE? SEND US YOUR THOUGHTS VIA OUR HASHTAG #DEATHINTHESKY

Win.
Mar 29 2015 5:07PM
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mseward
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Phil-X-No.... you are a commercial pilot who has an awesome addiction to coke and sex...


crazy video of a russian pilot letting his son take controls, accidentally disengaging autop, and trying to correct the flight. crazy
https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/763989/Aeroflot-Flight-593-Crash-Animation---CVR


theres a mayday episode on this incident.
Mar 29 2015 7:57PM
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jca
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pretty surprised they didnt catch on fire.. I wonder how much fuel they had left after holding for an hour.

pretty shitty wx but it was still legal, probably a case of getting some reduced performance windshear or turbulence and the engines just didnt have enough time to spool up before hitting the ground, pretty classic CFIT.

Any landing you walk away from is a good one!
Mar 30 2015 10:12AM
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jca
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Pretty funny that they were initially calling it a "hard landing" when it was clearly completely crashed. They got really lucky that no one was seriously hurt in the crash or the evacuation.
Mar 30 2015 10:16AM
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ianrich511
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jca




Pretty funny that they were initially calling it a "hard landing" when it was clearly completely crashed. They got really lucky that no one was seriously hurt in the crash or the evacuation.


bahahaha hard landing my ass
Mar 30 2015 10:45AM
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mseward
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Does anyone know why the gear isn't down? Or have any guesses?
Mar 30 2015 10:53AM
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Bloviator
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I certainly don't KNOW where the gear is, but pretty sure it was extended prior to landing attempt, and was likely sheared off on first hard contact with the ground, or it seems possibly some power lines on approach. The airport power was cut about the time this plane came in.
Mar 30 2015 11:07AM
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Krotchs_Brother
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From what I've heard the landing gear clipped some powerlines and was completely cut off. Guess there was low visibility or something and he couldn't see the lines.
Mar 30 2015 11:15AM
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jca
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msewardDoes anyone know why the gear isn't down? Or have any guesses?


It was sheared off when they hit the ground, antennas, and power lines 1000ft(!) before the runway.
Mar 30 2015 11:15AM
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mseward
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jcaIt was sheared off when they hit the ground, antennas, and power lines 1000ft(!) before the runway.


i just read that, so fucked. and i guess runway 05 doesnt have an ILS approach either.
Mar 30 2015 11:37AM
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Mr.softcookie
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Is it just me or has there been a lot more plane crashes this year?
Mar 30 2015 11:17PM
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Bombogenesis
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Krotchs_BrotherFrom what I've heard the landing gear clipped some powerlines and was completely cut off. Guess there was low visibility or something and he couldn't see the lines.



The report someone posted there says 1/2sm, means vis was about 1/2 of a mile. Also shows a northerly wind at 20 knots gusting to 26, so like 30-35 mph or whatever the conversion is. What way is the runway oriented? could have been a nasty crosswind.
Mar 30 2015 11:24PM
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Bombogenesis
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Ok so runway 05, which means it is oriented from 50* to 230*. definitely a bit of a cross wind.


PS metars suck
Mar 30 2015 11:26PM
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corona
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Mr.softcookieIs it just me or has there been a lot more plane crashes this year?


just you
Mar 30 2015 11:27PM
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Bloviator
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Handy wind tool.

http://www.aeroplanner.com/calculators/avcalcdrift.cfm?wdd=320&ws=20&rdd=05&calculate=Calculate&hw=&xw=

14Kt headwind, 14Kt crosswind from left. Doable but messy with gusts and snow, and dark, and limited braking, etc, etc.

METARs decoded: http://www.wx-now.com/weather/metardecode

Yes, there is no reason for the gobbledegook of abbreviated METARs anymore. In the bad old days, there was a fee per character for Telex which transmitted METARs from central stations. Not for many many years.
Mar 31 2015 12:05AM
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rtl32
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That shits scary because today I cam back from Shanghai and flew Air Canada to Toronto. Fuck
Mar 31 2015 3:42AM
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mseward
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rtl32That shits scary because today I cam back from Shanghai and flew Air Canada to Toronto. Fuck


Lol yeah i feel u lol, flew that exact flight every time ive gone home to halifax this year....but Air Canada is pretty good, and its fucking hard to get hired there as a pilot. Not something I would worry about.
Mar 31 2015 8:04AM
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TheBigApple
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Omg a plane crashed... big surprise, get over it.
Mar 31 2015 4:28PM
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