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skier150
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Ok, I know I will probably catch a lot of crap for asking these questions... but the ski shops seem to be clueless!

I am an old man who has been getting into the park and pipe for the past few years. I am skiing on 151cm 1080's with Salomon Xwave7 boots. I am 5'8' 135lbs. I also have a set of Pocket Rockets in 165cm. The 1080 skis awesome on the mountain, but I cannot seem carve to fast fakie and have problems pre-loading them.

My first question is are soft boots better that stiff boots for park/pipe, espcially since I am a light weight?

My second question is what would be a better park/pipe specific ski than the 1080?

THANKS!
Jan 5 2005 12:25PM
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MrPantyDropper
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wow...youre almost in junior sizes and youre 5'8?hahha
Jan 5 2005 12:32PM
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skier150
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Yeah, I thought a short ski would be better for the pipe...
Jan 5 2005 12:36PM
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you want a boot that has a soft forward flex, but is stiff lateraly. get some 167 4FRNT STLs
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Jan 5 2005 12:36PM
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lizziebeth
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uhm. i'd recommend getting longer skis. i'm 5'1'' and on old old 162 mad trix and this year's mike nicks in a 158.

if you want to get better at skiing switch, line skis are true twins with equal tip and tail height. consider their pro models from this year. pollards are the stiffest, then skogens, then mike nicks. armada's line up is really good this year, too. if you want some real fun in the backcountry, get the jps and center mount them. the tails are 10 mm higher than the tips. there is also the fujatives if you need something cheap, and the public enemies are a good ski all around. if you want anything k2 though i recommend you wait until they put out their mid-seasons. should be around the middle to the end of the month.

i don't really know a whole lot about boots, considering i'm riding in an atomic beta race from 4 years ago. they don't even make boots that stiff anymore. i hate them, so i guess softer is better. boots really depend more on comfort and personal preference than what anyone tells you you 'should' get.

hope this helps.

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Jan 5 2005 12:42PM
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skier150
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Thanks lizziebeth! I will take a look at some of the ones you mentioned... I noticed you did not include the Chronic. I guess the big problem is trying to find a place to demo some of these skis.

I also have a pair of Techinca Icon's that I am not using becuase they are just too stiff for me to flex the way I would like to in the park/pipe. The Salomon's are more flexible, but that is because the model I have is for intermediate skiers.
Jan 5 2005 2:06PM
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lizziebeth
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i didn't mention the chronic because it's pretty hard to find right now. most places are sold out. it's a sweet ski though in and out of the park.

if you live anywhere near boulder, co you can demo every ski mentioned and more at jibij pro-shop.

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Jan 5 2005 4:25PM
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yea the chronics are sick
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Jan 5 2005 4:29PM
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weenox
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what size boot you need? i got last years green 1080 boot that sounds like it would be perfect for you in a 28.5 that i havent put on ebay yet, and a pair of 27's that are on ebay. i also have a pair of last years scratch fs on ebay, and that might not be a bad ski for you.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7125002893&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7125004845&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT



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Jan 5 2005 5:17PM
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weenox
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^The skis are 174cm too, which you could probly ride.



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Jan 5 2005 5:18PM
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Jan 5 2005 5:33PM
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cool to see older guys gettin into it. well, heres some help for yah.

twintips for the park really shouldnt be shorter than head hight. why? because of the twin tip, the running length is extra short, and the centered stance of the skis makes them seem really short.

now, for the skis, the reason your having problems, is because its a salomon ski. the foam core in those skis breaks down really, really fast. when they are new, they are good, but after a few hard days, they go limp. any wood core ski will help. now, if your looking for a pipe and jump ski, the only real option is the dynastar trouble maker. its an AWESOME ski, but it has a few flaws. most of them dont hold up on rails (mine were fine, and thats all i do, its just some). the core is horizontally laminated (like plywood) instead of vertically laminated like most skis. it is insane. they pop so much higher out of a transition. however, like the 1080, the core doesnt last too long ( alot longer than a 1080 though). they break in and get alot damper. they also are a great ski for skiing, and the carve switch awesome. i would also suggest 4frnt STLs

Line 1260s or mike nicks (the chronics are pretty stiff, you might not like them)

rossi scratches

k2 pes or fujatives


now, you said you were having some problems carving switch. heres the key: scissor you legs (like a telemarker). it makes all the difference.



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Jan 5 2005 8:28PM
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weenox
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^dood you know alot about skiing.

but would my boots work for him? and what about my skis? just curious....



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Jan 5 2005 8:29PM
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skier150
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LIZZIEBETH: Cool, I think Getboards.com has them on sale for like $449 with free shipping.

Unfortunaltey I am stuck on the East Coast or I would definately stop in.
Jan 5 2005 10:46PM
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skier150
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POWDERDREAM: It appears as though they are a popular ski this year. I am 39... damn it sucks to even think about next year.
Jan 5 2005 10:48PM
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skier150
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WEENOX: Unfortunately I have a small boot size, I am wearing a 24.5 in techinca and 25.0 in salomon. It is hard to find decent boots in my size most of the time.
Jan 5 2005 10:50PM
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skier150
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WEENOX: Thanks for the links, I like the FS but 174 is longer than I want to go. I just sold my 5 star Volkl's becuase the 175 length felt like an aircraft carrier.
Jan 5 2005 10:53PM
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skier150
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EAST COAST STYLE:
Thanks for the help!
I am assuming that a TRUE centered stance is not optimal. Since the tail is usually narrower than the tip I guess there is no way to get the same benefit. Is there a more centered stance ratio that people are using, like 60/40 or 55/45?

I have heard similar stories about the 1080. I am not the biggest fan of foam. I ski 80-100 days a year, so I can wear out the ski quick. I really like the graphics on the TM, but I have not looked into the specs.

So you are saying that the chronic is stiffer that the Mike Nick? I thought it was softer that the MN and stiffer than the 1260. I have not heard much about the 1260, compared to the Chronic which seems to be more poular.

So when I am trying to carve fakie I should leed with the downhill ski? I was trying to carve like I do fowards. Do you need to bend your uphill leg at teh knee as well?
Jan 6 2005 11:04PM
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the chronic is a very stiff ski



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Jan 6 2005 11:14PM
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IHOP
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Lil tip, Getboards.com has pretty expensive prices. I cant remember of the top of my head but im sure some of the guys on here can point you to a site with better pricing.

And i saw a link to a site that sold this years public enemys for 300 bucks, your gonna have to look through some old posts for that one though. Good Luck.
Jan 7 2005 3:30AM
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4frnt masp 170

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Jan 7 2005 6:43AM
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LPT_311
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yeah check out the D-structure usa shop
\im not sure about the link so someone could probably post it
anyways, its cool to see you into freestyle skiing, good luck, and yes, the chronics are sick








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Jan 7 2005 9:07AM
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weenox
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yo skier150- i may be able to get you a pair of last years 1080 boot in size 25 for $220. ill let you know, but tell me if your interested



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Jan 7 2005 9:32AM
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skier150
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IHOP: Thanks, I figured there was probably a better price place out there. But I am also hearing that a lot of places are out of stock on the good skis for the season. Maybe a froogle search will help...
Jan 7 2005 10:52AM
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skier150
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SCRATCH FS 311: Thanks for the support. I did check out D-Structure and they were had the skis for 7% cheaper than Getboards. I definately like the graphics on the Chronic, and the people I ask in the pipe who have them say they love them.
Jan 7 2005 11:49AM
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lizziebeth
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jibij still has some chronics left. www.jibij.com. they do phone orders.

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Jan 7 2005 12:21PM
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skier150
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WEENOX: I may be interested in those boots, are they new or used?
Jan 8 2005 9:08AM
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skier150
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I am seriously considering the Trouble Maker, it sounds like a fun ski. I heard the Phil models are the same as the TM but a little stiffer? I hear a lot about the TM but not much about the Phil model. I also considering the Scratch FS, shich I have heard some good things about. I am not how the 1260 fits in there, but I have a feeling it is not as nice as the the Chronic.
Jan 8 2005 3:49PM
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Skier150: When you say that your Volkl Supersport 5-stars feel like aircraft carriers, well, they should. They are designed to be a very stiff ski and have weight to them in order to bust through crud and hold a mean carve while doing it. They are a carvers ski, not meant for any sort of freeskiing. Even though you may think that the 174 Scratch is going to be heavy, it is a relatively light twin tip. SO these may be as long as an aircraft carrier, but you should be riding a ski this size, so in essence, the aircraft carrier will only have one deck instead of 5, meaning it is much more maneuverable and weighs less.

Your boots are fine for park skiing. You want to have a relatively stiff boot with some forward flex to it. A softer boot means you will lose performance in the pipe and all-mountain skiing.

I think you would do fine with a pair 165cm TM's. K2 Public Enemies are one of the heaviest skis out there right now, so scratch those if you didn't like the Volkl's. K2 Fujatives arent too light either, and the flex pattern isn't ideal for learning on. You may think that a 175cm ski is too much for you, but I really don't think it should be a problem, especially if you are a 80-100 dpy skier and know what you are doing. But its up to you. Hope this helped.
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Jan 8 2005 4:37PM
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lizziebeth
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trouble makers are a good ski. however, i've seen so many dynastars blow apart (especially the edges) after a year in the park. i'm sure other people will tell you otherwise, but this is just my personal experience. so don't yell at me. they ski well outside the park, too. i had a pair of old concepts though for all mountain and they were okay. kind of chattery though and a lot of side cut with pretty much no tail. as for the trouble makers, they haven't changed the ski for two years which is more dynastar's fault, and they're just now coming out with a 'fat' twin. they ski nicely though and are a good park ski.

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Jan 8 2005 4:45PM
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skier150
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SNOWCOAST: Dont' get me wrong I loved the 5 star. I got the 175 to race GS. But after a season on the 151's the 175's were just too weird under my feet. I will proably get the 6 star in a 168 next year. I have skied Volkl for years and they alwyas seem to be heavy skis, although they ski awesome. I hear you about the Scratch. Rossi is hjaving a demo day at my mtn this week so I will see if they have any to demo.

I am pretty happy with teh Xwave7, especially since I got them new for $79 from Backcounty. I would like to thry the 1080 boot since it has a soft section for landings.

My local shop has a pair of 165 TM's left in stock. So I am leaing that way, at leat for today. they also have a pair of the Phil Deon 165's, but like I said I have not heard to much about those anywhere.

Without trying to piss off all the K2 people, I am just not a big fan of the company. So I am not likely to purcahse a pair, even though the shop has a pair of Fugatives for $279.

I appreciate your help!

Jan 9 2005 7:38PM
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skier150
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Are the TM's a true twin tip? For some reason the picture on the website kind of makes it look like a regular tailed ski.

I am definately more concerned about how the ski is in the park and pipe rather than in varied trail conditions. Since I am not into rails yet, I am hoping the TM will give me 200 days.

I am not 100% sold on the TM's yet. But stock is getting slim out there and my choices are narrowing.
Jan 9 2005 7:43PM
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Don't bother with the 1080 (regular, not pro model, that is). It's basically a Salomon Xwave 8 with a shitty liner. if you want something softer for landings, just step down to the Xwave 6s. However, if you're happy with 7s... well, don't mess with a good thing.

If price is an issue, I'd suggest a pair of 164 line 1260s. If you get reactor bindings, they're interchangeable between pairs of Line skis, basically, so you can move to a different ski easily if you so desire. However, for all around performance in a soft ski, without sacrificing durability, I suggest the Rossi scratch FS. you'll find they're not particularly expensive, they hold up better than Troublemakers, and for a soft ski, they perform very well on the groomers. You won't be disappointed in them. And, you can get them in a 168. If you want to go even cheaper, the Scratch Eco is essentially the same ski, but with a wood core rather than the THC (Triple Hybrid Core, which is a bit lighter and snappier; it's the same core Rossi uses in their snowboards and in the Bandit series of freeride skis). The flex patterns are identical. It's a safer investment than many of the other suggestions made here. Also, if you buy Rossi bindings with them, the warrantee doubles to 2 years, I believe... at least, it used to.

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Jan 9 2005 7:57PM
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sorry man, i could get the boots.



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Jan 9 2005 8:07PM
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ignore everything else said in this thread and just read of JD said...sums all teh shit up and points him into several directions money wise
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Jan 9 2005 8:41PM
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skier150
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WEENOX: No problem, I will stick with the Xwaves for a while.
Jan 10 2005 10:19AM
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dude i wouldnt say im not into rails yet... yoy will be into them soon if u ski park alot... i ski on pe's in the park and they are sweet... tms are good skis but they are not very durable.. the pe is a durable and cheap ski so i would suggest it... as for mounting the closer you are to true center of the ski the better for the park but the worse for all mt skiing so it really depends on how u wanna ski on them... it is much easier to ski park if the skis are farther up.. also on length the longer the ski the easier it is 2 land so i would go no smaller than a 170... i hope that helps
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Jan 10 2005 12:27PM
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skier150
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JD: Thanks for the input. The reason I wanted a softer boot was for more ankle extension during jumps and pipe. I have not had an issue with shinbang in these boots like my Icons though.

I ride a Rossi Myth snowoard with THC, and I really like they way it pops.

I am getting a little confused as to why I would or would not want a stiff park ski. If I spend most of my time on jumps and the pipe what the benefits or drawbacks of a stiffer ski. I am assuming that I am not thrilled with my 1080 now because it is to short and to soft.

Ultimately I would like the ski to be able to pop off the snow when I want it to. Like on the lip of a jump, the lip of the halfpipe, the on-ramp for rails, and just hopping to fakie. Am I asking the ski to do too much?

Jan 10 2005 7:57PM
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skier150
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SWDORSEY: Thanks for the info. I know, I hope to get started on some rails this season. I live at Blue so you might know about the crappy rails we have. I started working on some a little last year at Okemo, I am going back up next month... they have some awesome parks and pipes there. Bear looks awesome this year, is the SuperPipe open yet?
Jan 10 2005 8:03PM
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skier150
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Sorry, the questions in my JD post was for anyone. I could not figure out how to edit my post...
Jan 11 2005 11:47AM
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skier150
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Thanks for the help, I appreciate everyones input. I ordered the Line Chronic 157 with the Reactor 12 binding. I know, the Reactor does not have a great repuation. But I figured if I hated it I could just sell it on ebay and drill on a set of looks. I know this ski is a little stiff, but I think I should be able to handle it. I went with the 157 because I am stepping up from 151 and 167 was just too big of a jump all at once. I will have them on Tuesday and will post my thoughts after I try them out.
Jan 16 2005 8:25PM
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it wouldnt have been that much of a deal with sizes but its all in the rider so have fun with your new skis


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Jan 16 2005 8:50PM
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skier150
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Ok, so here are some of my first impressions. For starters the 157 is only 154cm long. I was hoping it would be 157 or a little longer depending on how they measured them. The second thing I noticed was the binding weighed more than the ski, but that is another thread.

I did not get a chance to make more than a few runs down some blues. But I did notice that they felt real solid and cut a nice arc. I think the radius is 19m so it is not tight, but it feels nice. I think the tosional rigididy is definately more than my 1080. I will let you know after I try them in the park and pipe tomorrow how they perform... and some blacks too.
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