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dingus
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I put this thread in the NSG forum because its more of a business topic less skiing, just so ya know.

So anyways in my town there is a ton of those cold storages for apples, and I was thinking how great it would be to convert one of them into a ski area, I imagine it would not be too expensive to pull off. Snow makers, some rails, some solid workers, and maybe some better cooling systems would seem to be the only hefty expenses, and I feel the local mountain, ski shop and maybe the city could be in on helping sponsor it, (it would bring in a lot of revenue into my city). But I am kinda a dreamer, usually dream very unrealistically, like wanting to put a foam pit in my backyard, but I dig stuff like that, building shit for fun. So tell me NS how unrealistic is my dream? or could it be pulled off, anyone want to team up to build the fortune 500 company?
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Mar 18 2015 9:43PM
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Steezy_IN_KC
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Cold storage for apples isn' the appropriate avenue for building an indoor ski park. I sell wall in coolers as my career.

Additionally you would need a capital of at least 2.5 million, conservatively.

Rad idea. realistic. No.
Mar 18 2015 10:05PM
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JGWI
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That would be a pain in the ass from it's conception.
Mar 18 2015 10:09PM
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OzzyJ
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Agreed it would be sick but sooo expensive.
Mar 19 2015 11:14PM
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El.Guapo
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I mean if you want some official ski dubai type shit, it's gonna be expensive. But you can make a snow machine with an air compressor, plumbing parts and a pressure washer. make sure the room is freezing and then set up some rails
Mar 20 2015 1:52AM
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duder227
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"you may be a dreamer but I'm not the only one" - abe lincoln

i'm in.
Mar 20 2015 2:17AM
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CameraWiz
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I don't think it's out of the realm. Your biggest battle is insurance. You could fill the whole place with snow with a hose if properly cooled.
Mar 20 2015 4:55AM
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bhaines
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If you build it, Ns will come...
Mar 20 2015 8:58AM
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DockEllis
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Steezy_IN_KCCold storage for apples isn' the appropriate avenue for building an indoor ski park. I sell wall in coolers as my career.

Additionally you would need a capital of at least 2.5 million, conservatively.

Rad idea. realistic. No.


According to Business Insider, Ski Dubai cost about 400 mil just to build. Add to that the insane cost of insurance along with the electric bill to keep a building below freezing year round, and the expenses associated with that would be unreal. Apparently a lift ticket to ski Dubai costs $300, and a large portion of their revenue comes from food, bev, and lodging, like most ski resorts.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but the barriers of entry are real high and you'd have to live somewhere with a ton of wealthy people and tourists.
Mar 20 2015 9:29AM
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ianrich511
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It would be significantly cheaper to build a dry slope.

Watch this edit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYtdMMQwlLw

Could be indoors. Have no heating cooling expenses.
Mar 20 2015 9:45AM
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Lonely
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I feel like the biggest cost would be keeping it cold. Obviously the other things are expensive initially but I used to work and a cold storage plant and I know keeping it sub thirty is pretty fucking expensive. Realistic? Yes if you had a shit ton of long term money.
Mar 20 2015 12:06PM
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dingus
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DockEllisAccording to Business Insider, Ski Dubai cost about 400 mil just to build. Add to that the insane cost of insurance along with the electric bill to keep a building below freezing year round, and the expenses associated with that would be unreal. Apparently a lift ticket to ski Dubai costs $300, and a large portion of their revenue comes from food, bev, and lodging, like most ski resorts.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but the barriers of entry are real high and you'd have to live somewhere with a ton of wealthy people and tourists.


Its that expensive because its probably made of pure gold
Mar 20 2015 12:24PM
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El.Guapo
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i mean do you want to make a whole slope? i was just thinking a jump and some rails would be dope. and wayy cheaper
Mar 20 2015 12:45PM
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dingus
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TheFapi mean do you want to make a whole slope? i was just thinking a jump and some rails would be dope. and wayy cheaper

Yeah just a little terrain park
Mar 21 2015 11:36AM
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Mr.softcookie
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I live in Dubai and we have a place called Ski Dubai. Its shit but at least we have somewhere to ski. We have about 5 features that they change every 3 weeks or so. I always talk to the employees and they say it costs a shit ton to run the place. But then again it is pretty big for an indoor "mountain". But hey it's always full so i could imagine they make a lot and the only ski shop we have here has about 3 pairs of skis but a lot of snowboards and I know they make a lot because most of the people who live here are loaded. Sorry for the long reply i got carried away haha.
Mar 21 2015 12:26PM
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Mr.softcookie
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DockEllisAccording to Business Insider, Ski Dubai cost about 400 mil just to build. Add to that the insane cost of insurance along with the electric bill to keep a building below freezing year round, and the expenses associated with that would be unreal. Apparently a lift ticket to ski Dubai costs $300, and a large portion of their revenue comes from food, bev, and lodging, like most ski resorts.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but the barriers of entry are real high and you'd have to live somewhere with a ton of wealthy people and tourists.


nah man it is pretty expensive but not that much, to go for a full day it's $50. But honestly i go almost everyday so i get a membership, its about $300 for 1 month of unlimited access as long as you want when ever you want. If you think about it it's pretty decent.
Mar 21 2015 12:43PM
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Powstagram
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The park at ski Dubai is fucking dire
Mar 21 2015 12:56PM
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DockEllis
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Mr.softcookienah man it is pretty expensive but not that much, to go for a full day it's $50. But honestly i go almost everyday so i get a membership, its about $300 for 1 month of unlimited access as long as you want when ever you want. If you think about it it's pretty decent.


The article I read must have been misleading. Its rad to hear from someone that skis Dubai.

Dream big OP. If you think you can do it, go for it.
Mar 21 2015 7:56PM
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steeze4days
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DockEllisAccording to Business Insider, Ski Dubai cost about 400 mil just to build. Add to that the insane cost of insurance along with the electric bill to keep a building below freezing year round, and the expenses associated with that would be unreal. Apparently a lift ticket to ski Dubai costs $300, and a large portion of their revenue comes from food, bev, and lodging, like most ski resorts.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but the barriers of entry are real high and you'd have to live somewhere with a ton of wealthy people and tourists.


Been there done that, not sure where the fuck you got your info but it's nothing like $300 not even close, its like $60 when i was there bud.

What do you mean lodging? You can't stay the freaking night at ski dubai, but they do have a restaurant themed like a ski hill chalet
Mar 21 2015 8:34PM
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Slush
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It's all about location with these things. Wherever you build it, you need to make it somewhere were a big percentage of people will ski there consistently, and it's not too far from other people.

Also, are these apple coolers like, sloped or something? Also, I'm not sure if your aware but they already do this stuff in the UK a ton. There's a bajillion of these indoor ski places there, just watch that line tc episode they ski at like 4 or 5 different places.
Mar 21 2015 11:54PM
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dingus
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TwinipzIt's all about location with these things. Wherever you build it, you need to make it somewhere were a big percentage of people will ski there consistently, and it's not too far from other people.

Also, are these apple coolers like, sloped or something? Also, I'm not sure if your aware but they already do this stuff in the UK a ton. There's a bajillion of these indoor ski places there, just watch that line tc episode they ski at like 4 or 5 different places.

Yeah in the UK they do have a ton, but there is nothing like this in Washington, and I feel like that would bring in a ton of crowds, for example my mountain is the only mountain open in Washington, at least as far as I know, and usually me and my buds are the only parkies shredding laps in the park, but since there is no where else to ski the herd has flocked to our mountain, I feel the same would happen for an indoor ski park, but I could be wrong.
Mar 22 2015 1:07AM
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Slush
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dingusYeah in the UK they do have a ton, but there is nothing like this in Washington, and I feel like that would bring in a ton of crowds, for example my mountain is the only mountain open in Washington, at least as far as I know, and usually me and my buds are the only parkies shredding laps in the park, but since there is no where else to ski the herd has flocked to our mountain, I feel the same would happen for an indoor ski park, but I could be wrong.


Oh yea, I see what you are getting at!

I think it would be a really good idea, especially in the summer! Who wouldn't want to go skiing in the summer? You could potentially bring in a ton of revenue.
Mar 22 2015 2:29PM
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theabortionator
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dingusI imagine it would not be too expensive to pull off. QUOTE]

Mar 22 2015 2:33PM
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theabortionator
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dingusI put this thread in the NSG forum because its more of a business topic less skiing, just so ya know.

So anyways in my town there is a ton of those cold storages for apples, and I was thinking how great it would be to convert one of them into a ski area, I imagine it would not be too expensive to pull off. Snow makers, some rails, some solid workers, and maybe some better cooling systems would seem to be the only hefty expenses, and I feel the local mountain, ski shop and maybe the city could be in on helping sponsor it, (it would bring in a lot of revenue into my city). But I am kinda a dreamer, usually dream very unrealistically, like wanting to put a foam pit in my backyard, but I dig stuff like that, building shit for fun. So tell me NS how unrealistic is my dream? or could it be pulled off, anyone want to team up to build the fortune 500 company?


The local mountain would help sponsor it's competition? Maybe advertise there but I wouldn't bank on getting the majority of your funding from there. The local ski shop? They might be down to advertise, sponsor some comps, but the project?

I mean, I was going to build a foam pit in my yard, I built an 18 foot drop in, 2 full size mini ramps, and all kinds of other stuff but this is beyond unrealistic.

The problem isn't the idea, it's the unrealistic view of completing this goal. Same kind of thing pops up in threads about "Why won't my local mountain do this, it'd be so easy and cheap" about different things.

This would be a huge project. Anything is possible but you're massively overlooking the costs, the amount of work that would need to be put in, that it actually wouldn't be simple, etc.

Look how far xanadu in dirty jerz got? They actually had funding and had the place pretty much done and still couldn't finish it.
Mar 22 2015 2:41PM
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theabortionator
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TheFapi mean do you want to make a whole slope? i was just thinking a jump and some rails would be dope. and wayy cheaper


dingusYeah just a little terrain park


Mr.softcookieI live in Dubai and we have a place called Ski Dubai. Its shit but at least we have somewhere to ski. We have about 5 features that they change every 3 weeks or so. I always talk to the employees and they say it costs a shit ton to run the place. But then again it is pretty big for an indoor "mountain". But hey it's always full so i could imagine they make a lot and the only ski shop we have here has about 3 pairs of skis but a lot of snowboards and I know they make a lot because most of the people who live here are loaded. Sorry for the long reply i got carried away haha.


PowstagramThe park at ski Dubai is fucking dire



If they ever want to ball out their park and want to hire anyone to help let me know. I tried to work at snowplanet when I was in NZ but they didn't think they needed any help. Always wanted to work in a snow dome, even just to build one crazy setup or a few new features.
Mar 22 2015 2:54PM
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