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Salomon bindings broke my femur

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Gstrong
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I have STH 12's which are the worst bindings I've ever used. I had the din at 6 out of 12 but they kept popping out so I would continually crank them 1 up but they would not stop popping out on every landing when there was no reason for them too. So when I broke my femur they were 11 out of 12 and they would still pop out lots for no reason when I would land perfectly then the night that I broke myself I aired out of this sort of natural halfpipe and back In, when I landed my right ski popped of when it shouldn't of and I still had a lots of speed and my body kept going and my left ski didn't pop off and I heard my femur snap and I was lying there and I knew right away.
Anyways what I'm trying to get at with this thread is that salomon sth bindings are garbage and no one should ever use them.

Its been a month and I've been recovering really well. But heres the x-rays



Mar 14 2015 3:23PM
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Park_Mho
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Damn, that sucks.. get well soon!

Just wondering, were you using the sth with the driver toe?
Mar 14 2015 3:36PM
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Prof.Pretzel
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Good ta know +k good luck with the leg.
Mar 14 2015 3:37PM
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PilleDaKid
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I work at a shop at Alta and we have those bindings on a bunch of our demos. I agree with you 100%, those bindings are garbage.
Mar 14 2015 3:37PM
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TOAST.
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Was you forward pressure right?
Mar 14 2015 3:40PM
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KneeDrop
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that kinda thread title is bullshit. im sorry you got hurt, but skiing broke your femur. skiing is dangerous, no ammount of safety-driven equipment will ever make it 100% safe. even if everything works exactly as it should you can rip your leg to shreds.
Mar 14 2015 4:04PM
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KneeDrop
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and im ignoring the part where you adjusted your own bindings. if they have toe-height and wing-width adjustments, so many factors other than DIN affect pre-releasing.
Mar 14 2015 4:09PM
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GayWolf420
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was it the driver toe piece? those are some of the best bindings money can buy, such a good piece of equipment.
Mar 14 2015 4:31PM
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Andrew_M
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That injury sucks no doubt and I hope you heal faster and stronger, but I don't know that the binding is the sole contributor to your injury. I ride sth's at 9 and i have never popped out unless it was needed. Im 6'1" 160. I would check and see that your boot fits in the binding correctly (i.e was it mounted correctly/is the front of your boot so worn that the binding had nothing to latch onto) Also from what you described the femur you broke was the leg that didn't pre-release, which, could definitely be the bindings fault, but you did crank them way high and at least from a legal stand point it isn't salomon's fault. Had your bindings been at the din level they were set to by whoever mounted them and the same thing happened you could probably sue the shit out salomon. Either way you should get yourself a different pair of bindings, those things have some voodoo shit on them. Heal up fast man!
Mar 14 2015 4:34PM
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-emile-
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your bindings were probably broken in the first place....
Mar 14 2015 4:41PM
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Blurst
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TOAST.Was you forward pressure right?


this
Mar 14 2015 4:43PM
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TheClap.
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You broke your own femur bud.
Don't touch shit if you do not know wtf you are doing.
Mar 14 2015 4:46PM
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r.simp
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What mountain did this happen at? Last night I watched something similar happen.
Mar 14 2015 5:43PM
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Treestman
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were your boots too worn down?
was the forward pressure correct?
Is there a toe / wing adjustment?
Did you try lubricating the spring?

Did you bring it to a shop to test the lean and twist torque?

Too many variables here. From what you've said in your story, you had no idea what you were doing when messing with your bindings.
Mar 14 2015 5:48PM
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Rachy
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I have the same (maybe... drivers) bindings and have never had a single issue. But, I also make sure to get my bindings tested. I have the shop test so that my foreword pressure is right. My boots are in good shape and not worn out. Never had a problem.

If you were only adjusting the din at your toe, you fucked up. If your boots are worn down. You fucked up. My old roommate kept complaining that she would always come out of her bindings and that she needed to be at a din 9 to stay in them. We are about the same weight/same shoe size. A 6 is high for me. I looked at her boots and they were worn down to the screws that used to hold the replaceable toe/heal.

I love it when people blame their equipment for their faults.
Mar 14 2015 5:57PM
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stinky_cheese
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-emile-your bindings were probably broken in the first place....


your femur was probably broken in the first place
Mar 14 2015 6:41PM
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rtl32
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Op did you forget your dick was in the top xray... Nasty

But vibes for healing soon, bindings are meant to prevent lower leg fractures... You are fucking skiing not knitting there is always a danger of getting hurt.

In fact I think you should blame this on your boots and pants to because they are surely designed to protect you from everything as well..
Mar 14 2015 10:00PM
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lwgp
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"I basically maxed out my bindings and then they didn't release, resulting in a broken leg. Totally the manufacturers fault." Come on man, if you have binding trouble, get em checked out by a tech. Sucks that you ended up with a short season though, no one deserves that.
Mar 14 2015 11:23PM
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colder152000
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i feel bad cause injuries fucking suck, but damn dood youre an idiot. you threw yourself under the bus, bindings should be carefully monitored and not just mindlessly adjusted. if one binding piece is pre releasing you dont have to adjust every component. salomon makes an awesome binding, if seth mo can stay locked in, so can you.
Mar 14 2015 11:42PM
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snomaster
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Freeskiers ripping park who weigh over 130 lbs need a minimum din to 16 binding, not because you're going to crank them that hard... But because that is a much more solid binding. Don't skimp on your bindings. Your boot condition on the tongue and heal also matters in prerealeasing issues.
Mar 15 2015 1:07AM
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californiagrown
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Wait, wait, wait. What Din do you normally ride at?

You knew the binding or the binding adjustment was faulty and you kept skiing on them? Knowing and acccepting that they would pre-release, or not release at random?

And are now mad that something you expected to happen...happened? are you retarded? like in the medical sense of the word?


take some fucking responsibility for your own negligent actions. ya know, the actions that are ultimately responsible for your unfortunate injury.

I sincerely hope you have a fast, full, and speedy recovery.
Mar 15 2015 1:47AM
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freeskibum82
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snomasterFreeskiers ripping park who weigh over 130 lbs need a minimum din to 16 binding, not because you're going to crank them that hard... But because that is a much more solid binding. Don't skimp on your bindings. Your boot condition on the tongue and heal also matters in prerealeasing issues.


wait what? dont listen to this guy... ive been skiing for almost 30 years and i ski nothing but woods, bumps, and park. my din is PROPERLY set to an 8. my forward pressure is set correct for an M on the marker chart and i've never had issues with any of my bindings.
Mar 15 2015 6:42AM
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THESAUCEPOSSE
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never ridden Salomons, but i've watched Bobby, Dumont, and others pop out of Salomons after landing otherwise stomped tricks during comps. No doubt their binding techs knew what they were doing. wouldnt get within a mile of Salomon bindings... only alpine binding i trust anymore is the FKS/Pivot
Mar 15 2015 7:02AM
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snomaster
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freeskibum82wait what? dont listen to this guy... ive been skiing for almost 30 years and i ski nothing but woods, bumps, and park. my din is PROPERLY set to an 8. my forward pressure is set correct for an M on the marker chart and i've never had issues with any of my bindings.


Properly set to 8 can be fine. I don't disagree with you there...
But alpine bindings that are din to 12 are crap quality with plastic where a din to 16 will be composite or metal. I've snapped din to 12 binders in places they shouldn't break. They aren't good quality. They can get sloppy and are more likely to lead to prerelease issues.
Mar 15 2015 9:36AM
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Deforestation
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I can see op's ballsack in the second picture
Mar 15 2015 11:50AM
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Craig114
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lpower"I basically maxed out my bindings and then they didn't release, resulting in a broken leg. Totally the manufacturers fault." Come on man, if you have binding trouble, get em checked out by a tech. Sucks that you ended up with a short season though, no one deserves that.


Did you even read the post? They were pre-releasing. Don't just jump on the hate bandwagon especially if you didn't even read the whole post. But yeah, bindings are a thing best left to the shop in my opinion. Hope you heal up quickly OP.
Mar 15 2015 12:18PM
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DeRizzo
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I love my STH 12's...
Mar 15 2015 6:57PM
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LukasSchroeder
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rsimpson34What mountain did this happen at? Last night I watched something similar happen.


he said it's been a month
Mar 15 2015 8:31PM
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freeskibum82
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snomasterProperly set to 8 can be fine. I don't disagree with you there...
But alpine bindings that are din to 12 are crap quality with plastic where a din to 16 will be composite or metal. I've snapped din to 12 binders in places they shouldn't break. They aren't good quality. They can get sloppy and are more likely to lead to prerelease issues.


While that is possible, most kids on here wouldnt even make it on to a binding that is a 6-16 jester or the 8-18 fks180. I personally do not use a binding more than one year so that may be why i do not have the issues you've had. That being said, the quality of the binding is fine. Your style of skiing just may be too much for that binding. The fact that you break them means you are justified being on a mag or steel binding vs the composite griffon, warden, attack13 etc.. Please dont come on here telling kids they need a binding with that range as they could potentially get hurt from the binding not releasing due to an improperly set din.
Mar 15 2015 8:41PM
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californiagrown
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Craig114Did you even read the post? They were pre-releasing. Don't just jump on the hate bandwagon especially if you didn't even read the whole post. But yeah, bindings are a thing best left to the shop in my opinion. Hope you heal up quickly OP.


You're a moron. If a tire gets a flat and you continue driving on that flat tire for 2 months before crashing cause of the shit handeling do you blame that tire brand for causing you to crash?

Actually, I bet YOU do haha.

If something is broke, fix it. If you use something that's broken, don't expect it to work properly. Is that really a difficult concept?
Mar 15 2015 8:44PM
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jason...
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snomasterProperly set to 8 can be fine. I don't disagree with you there...
But alpine bindings that are din to 12 are crap quality with plastic where a din to 16 will be composite or metal. I've snapped din to 12 binders in places they shouldn't break. They aren't good quality. They can get sloppy and are more likely to lead to prerelease issues.


i dunno man, i went through 3 fks heel pieces last season. two 14's and i even had an 18 snap on me where the arm bit attaches to the bottom plate after about a month on them. i weigh 130 lbs. i see your point, but just cause a binding is metal doesn't mean its that great.
Mar 15 2015 8:50PM
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californiagrown
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freeskibum82While that is possible, most kids on here wouldnt even make it on to a binding that is a 6-16 jester or the 8-18 fks180. I personally do not use a binding more than one year so that may be why i do not have the issues you've had. That being said, the quality of the binding is fine. Your style of skiing just may be too much for that binding. The fact that you break them means you are justified being on a mag or steel binding vs the composite griffon, warden, attack13 etc.. Please dont come on here telling kids they need a binding with that range as they could potentially get hurt from the binding not releasing due to an improperly set din.

A din of 7 is a din of 7. You do understand this basic fact correct? How is a din of 7 on a 916 any different than a din of 7 on a z12?

The only difference is the 916, because its metal, structurally withstands the forces related to a binding release much better. Consequently released subject the metal binding to far less wear and tear.


Does any of this make sense to you?
Mar 15 2015 8:54PM
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californiagrown
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jason...i dunno man, i went through 3 fks heel pieces last season. two 14's and i even had an 18 snap on me where the arm bit attaches to the bottom plate after about a month on them. i weigh 130 lbs. i see your point, but just cause a binding is metal doesn't mean its that great.


You mean the brake?
Mar 15 2015 8:55PM
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freeskibum82
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californiagrownA din of 7 is a din of 7. You do understand this basic fact correct? How is a din of 7 on a 916 any different than a din of 7 on a z12?

The only difference is the 916, because its metal, structurally withstands the forces related to a binding release much better. Consequently released subject the metal binding to far less wear and tear.


Does any of this make sense to you?


lol yes a metal binding will handle ejection of the boot better over time. it will also hold up to the ski bouncing down a landing better. Metal bindings also add weight to the ski. The rossi fks120 and the marker griffon i use and the perfect bindings for me as i do not lap the park trying the same trick over and over falling each time. if someone has a din of 7, they cannot be on an fks180 or even that 916 as its a 9-16 din range. proper binding for the skier is essential as well. i do not like to be on the low or high end of a spring for the DIN, but thats just me.
Mar 15 2015 9:12PM
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californiagrown
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freeskibum82lol yes a metal binding will handle ejection of the boot better over time. it will also hold up to the ski bouncing down a landing better. Metal bindings also add weight to the ski. The rossi fks120 and the marker griffon i use and the perfect bindings for me as i do not lap the park trying the same trick over and over falling each time. if someone has a din of 7, they cannot be on an fks180 or even that 916 as its a 9-16 din range. proper binding for the skier is essential as well. i do not like to be on the low or high end of a spring for the DIN, but thats just me.


Durability over time was the point.

Hoji filmed on 12din dynafits for years, so it makes ya think about these 130 lb kids having "durability issues" with fks 180s etc haha. Hell even sethmo used 916s.
Mar 15 2015 9:27PM
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last_tango
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jason...i dunno man, i went through 3 fks heel pieces last season. two 14's and i even had an 18 snap on me where the arm bit attaches to the bottom plate after about a month on them. i weigh 130 lbs. i see your point, but just cause a binding is metal doesn't mean its that great.

Do you mean the half moon piece? Rossi knows the half moons are a problem and they are gonna change up the design to fix that problem. They are starting to get tired of all the warranties for the same problem.
Mar 15 2015 9:34PM
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sbarlett
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Dude, this is the first I've heard of someone else having the same problem. I have sth10's so you can imagine mine were even worse. The bindings have been blowing up on every switch landing for the past month. Dunno why I didn't invest in better bindings earlier, but just ordered fks 140's last week so I should be good from now on
Mar 15 2015 9:48PM
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Park.
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OP while this thread has schooled you in binding/general knowledge, I agree about the bindings. Demoed a pair of hg's with sth 12s and in 3 runs at 10.5 din I ejected like 6 times when I landed the trick, but then when I caught a massive edge on a 2 on, I didn't eject (which is what I expect to happen at my din).

Either way, I have to say that a 10 din on shit bindings is COMPLETELY different from a 10 din on higher din bindings. This may not be true in the official standardized tests, but skiing park with Infinite variables has given me enough proof that there is without a doubt large differences.

I'm on fks right now, but I've skied extensively on high din and low din tyrolias, markers, Looks, and Salomon's and its always the same. Im not sure if its simply the elasticity, or something along those lines, but I have seen and experienced so many problems that im genuinely afraid of low din bindings now.
Mar 15 2015 10:25PM
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arnie_grape
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salomon bindings are death traps. I have the same problems with my sth12s. and yes they are set correctly.
Mar 15 2015 10:36PM
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SSchepkowski
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cabdriversalomon bindings are death traps. I have the same problems with my sth12s. and yes they are set correctly.

If these are set properly and you're having issues don't be pissed at Salomon, they're either faulty or old n' broken. If they're faulty get a warranty, if they're over 3 years old and pre-releasing it's pretty normal for ski bindings if they've been skied 100+ times. Safety equipment doesn't last forever, gotta keep that shit updated, probably should fix the issue before you break a femur like OP. I don't ride on STH's but all 5 of the ski coach's I've had who have had long big mountain careers skied on these and still do so I'm sure they are pretty damn good.

@OP heal up Gaelin, hope you get to do some biking or something this summer and at least skiing like no problem next winter!
Mar 15 2015 11:01PM
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Lucas
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Don't feed the troll
Mar 16 2015 12:24AM
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Craig114
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californiagrownYou're a moron. If a tire gets a flat and you continue driving on that flat tire for 2 months before crashing cause of the shit handeling do you blame that tire brand for causing you to crash?

Actually, I bet YOU do haha.

If something is broke, fix it. If you use something that's broken, don't expect it to work properly. Is that really a difficult concept?


Thanks for being an ass clown. I was in no way saying OP was correct with what he did. I was just pointing out that the guy was hating on OP thinking that the ski didn't eject at all and that is what broke his leg, versus what actually happened, the ski still came off and he crashed. OP still fucked up for sure, I was just suggesting that before you hate on him you read what he posted and make a comment that actually takes that into consideration.
Mar 16 2015 9:12AM
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gotti
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jason...i dunno man, i went through 3 fks heel pieces last season. two 14's and i even had an 18 snap on me where the arm bit attaches to the bottom plate after about a month on them. i weigh 130 lbs. i see your point, but just cause a binding is metal doesn't mean its that great.


just an fyi, fks can function 100% without the brake assembly or heel tab. As long as it clicks in the fks is functional. That being said, i have lost a ski due to it not having a brake so they are definitely worth it. I wouldnt say you "snapped the heel assembly" though because that shit is bomb proof.
Mar 16 2015 9:38AM
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freeskibum82
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cabdriversalomon bindings are death traps. I have the same problems with my sth12s. and yes they are set correctly.


a lot goes into properly setting a binding to a boot. just cranking up the din will not keep you in better if the forward pressure, toe height, or wings are not adjusted correctly to your boot. some boots just flat out do not pair well with salomon bindings. Ive mounted some that work perfect right out of the box and do not even need height, wing adjustment. Others, i fight with for a little while. DIN is only part of the equation to properly setting a binding to a boot
Mar 16 2015 10:12AM
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jason...
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californiagrownYou mean the brake?


last_tangoDo you mean the half moon piece? Rossi knows the half moons are a problem and they are gonna change up the design to fix that problem. They are starting to get tired of all the warranties for the same problem.


if i meant the brake i would've said the brake, and if i meant the half moon i would've said the half moon. breaking the brake or the half moon is not breaking a binding. those are replaceable parts.


if this works, heres a picture.

https://instagram.com/p/njjyWYjr-f/
Mar 16 2015 10:13AM
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onLINE
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vibes.

I broke my tibia when I was 14, similar story of pre release, self din setting resulted in no release and then SNAP goes my tibia. This would have happened with any binding.

In the past 15 years since that day, I worked in a few tech shops, as a tech rep for a few ski companies and have learned a lot about binding adjustment. If you don't have training/certificates to mount bindings in a ski shop you should not be touching them. I use to ride sth 14's due them being free. I never had issues with them and liked how light they were. I'm now on some look's which are heavy but solid af.
Mar 16 2015 10:40AM
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californiagrown
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Craig114Thanks for being an ass clown. I was in no way saying OP was correct with what he did. I was just pointing out that the guy was hating on OP thinking that the ski didn't eject at all and that is what broke his leg, versus what actually happened, the ski still came off and he crashed. OP still fucked up for sure, I was just suggesting that before you hate on him you read what he posted and make a comment that actually takes that into consideration.


You're the one who implied that cranking the din on broken bindings was a rational response in his situation haha
Mar 16 2015 2:37PM
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DeRizzo
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To be honest I'm really surprised at all the hate towards Salomon bindings, and STH's in particular. They've always been viewed highly on here. Whatever, I have 12's and I'm an 8 din. Mine don't pop off when they aren't supposed to and do when they are sooo sucks for you guys I guess.

Oh and bud you cracked up your din, it's not the binding's fault...
Mar 16 2015 5:19PM
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eastAR5
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what were u expecting........ ? dumbass


FKS or get merked..
Mar 18 2015 5:25AM
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freestyler540
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Holy dude, shit. That is crazy! I send positive vibes for recovery.

However, you should never trust your bindings to 100%, especially when the binding gets old and something feels...off. I learnt that the hard way too; but luckily never hurt from gear failure. When you have to rise the din past 10 on a 12, you might want to consider getting heavier bindings. Just my advice.

Springs are linear compression, but over time, they loose stiffness and begin to have gaps in compression resistance force. Either they are higher tension than indicated, or lowered. Check for snow buildup. Modern bindings are pretty forgiving, but lack energy transfer from the boot to the ski. At higher performance, cheap bindings will be sluggish and feel heavy, even higher tension bindings.

I feel the more expensive models have tight clearances; great for control, but more dangerous to use. With the Baron 13 ( set to 9.5), snow buildup is a huge problem for me in the Kootenays. Wet snow tends to wedge the lever point and cancel out the din setting; locking my foot into the ski. I nearly tore my knee by twisting the ski 180, then jamming into the snow during a crash.

I test my bindings after clipping in by swinging the ski side to side to feel a loose in the binding. Then, I do a mute grab to place tension on the toe part. They should move a little; your slider place helps with that (notice either a slippery plastic on the front end of the binding or a spring mounted plastic plate that moves side to side).

I wish you good luck on recovery and new gear!
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