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Flatspin or rodeo?

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Pac2
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So I know this is a controversial topic but I'm just wondering are a rodeo 540 and a flatspin 540 the same thing? Because sometimes you see people throw rodeo 540s where they sort of dive their shoulder in and other times you see people throw it backwards just like a flatspin and then add a 180 and they still call that a rodeo 540. So are both these tricks rodeo 540s or is that the difference between flat 5s and rodeo 5s?
Mar 12 2015 8:37PM
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Holte
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Of all the rotations that have different names, those are probably the most similar. Describing the difference is difficult, since rodeos can be set backward, to the side, or like a lincoln. The most obvious difference is rodeos are more inverted.
Mar 12 2015 8:43PM
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shin-bang
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helpppppppp i posted a thread in trick tip similar to this. but what would this be? just a meat huck lol?
https://www.newschoolers.com/watch/761087.0/Video--2--MOV note. i was going for the flat 3 and got 450 and ate crap. any tips for hucking it again to will get k+
Mar 12 2015 11:24PM
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_69
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It's not hard to spot the difference once you know what divides the two. In a rodeo, the rider becomes completely inverted, but in a flatspin the rider doesn't. Imagine a line from your toes to your head, in a rodeo, this line will be upside down at some point
Mar 13 2015 10:03AM
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tdollo
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AnGaperIt's not hard to spot the difference once you know what divides the two. In a rodeo, the rider becomes completely inverted, but in a flatspin the rider doesn't. Imagine a line from your toes to your head, in a rodeo, this line will be upside down at some point


It's the other way around.
Mar 13 2015 1:07PM
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_69
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tdolloIt's the other way around.

How's the extra chromosome?
Mar 13 2015 1:17PM
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snapped
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flatspin 5 is sort of an off axis backflip with a 180 in the end, rodeo you're lying more flat in the air
Mar 13 2015 1:42PM
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steeze4days
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NielsLAflatspin 5 is sort of an off axis backflip with a 180 in the end, rodeo you're lying more flat in the air


No, other way round bud
Mar 13 2015 2:00PM
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filipoio
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No one cares, it's basically the same trick...
Mar 13 2015 2:03PM
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e~b
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Ive heard rodeo is more inverted and flat spin is less inverted, and vice versa. Honestly people usually call it a rodeo if its a 540 and a flatspin if its a 360
Mar 13 2015 3:24PM
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Puzzled
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offaxis vs invert
bio / misty,
flat / rodeo,
under / cork,
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Mar 13 2015 3:34PM
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Puzzled
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woops *cork / under
Mar 13 2015 3:34PM
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SofaKingSick
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Puzzledoffaxis vs invert
bio / misty,
flat / rodeo,
under / cork,
...


yeah, ive always thought it was a silly hair-splitting argument. rodeos can be thrown in a few different looking ways, ive never understood why someone would feel the need to label a certain one

people already have a hard enough time understanding rodeos. theyre a weird, cool trick
Mar 13 2015 3:48PM
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Miomo
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Puzzledoffaxis vs invert
bio / misty,
flat / rodeo,
under / cork,
...


Mistys and bios are both off axis. The on-axis is a barani/overflip/frontflip spin.

The difference between a rodeo and a flatspin:
Rodeo = off-axis backflip
Flatspin = off-axis lincoln loop
Mar 13 2015 3:55PM
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Puzzled
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MiomoMistys and bios are both off axis. The on-axis is a barani/overflip/frontflip spin.

The difference between a rodeo and a flatspin:
Rodeo = off-axis backflip
Flatspin = off-axis lincoln loop


offaxis can have a lots of meanings. Do you label a backflip an offaxis 360? It is.

Misty's are not 100% inverted, but if you try a barani 720, anyone watching will say you did a misty type spin, unless you're fuckin Fergusson lol
Mar 13 2015 4:06PM
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Miomo
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Puzzledoffaxis can have a lots of meanings. Do you label a backflip an offaxis 360? It is.

Misty's are not 100% inverted, but if you try a barani 720, anyone watching will say you did a misty type spin, unless you're fuckin Fergusson lol


A 360 is a spin around the Y-axis, a backflip around the X-axis. They're different. Off-axis is where you aren't confined to the axes. If you spin around some intermediary axis, it's "off-axis". In backflip 360, the X-axis rotates along the Y, and you spin around both... If you know what I'm saying.
Mar 13 2015 4:29PM
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Puzzled
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MiomoA 360 is a spin around the Y-axis, a backflip around the X-axis. They're different. Off-axis is where you aren't confined to the axes. If you spin around some intermediary axis, it's "off-axis". In backflip 360, the X-axis rotates along the Y, and you spin around both... If you know what I'm saying.


Let me clarify again, a backflip can be an offaxis 360. As long as you don't specify any xyz, anything can be offaxis. Who says a skier vertical vector is along the Y ? Why aren't we along the Z? How do you know that?

Maybe its all perfectly defined in gymnastics, but as freeskiers, we use transitions to launch into these rotations, so of course they will all end up being slightly offaxis (maybe x, maybe y or z, depends, unless you're using a perfect aerial jump).

What you need to know, and what my original post was referring to :
Inverted for freeskiers = feet above head, even slightly.

A misty? Inverted.
Mar 13 2015 5:10PM
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shin-bang
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shin-banghelpppppppp i posted a thread in trick tip similar to this. but what would this be? just a meat huck lol?
https://www.newschoolers.com/watch/761087.0/Video--2--MOV note. i was going for the flat 3 and got 450 and ate crap. any tips for hucking it again to will get k+


Whoever tells me what trick I attempted will get k+ lol
Mar 13 2015 9:35PM
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Alex_Bralower
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shin-banghelpppppppp i posted a thread in trick tip similar to this. but what would this be? just a meat huck lol?
https://www.newschoolers.com/watch/761087.0/Video--2--MOV note. i was going for the flat 3 and got 450 and ate crap. any tips for hucking it again to will get k+


There you did a sort of under flip/rodeo variation, to change that to a flat 3 set your spin harder.
Mar 13 2015 9:56PM
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McRib
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filipoioNo one cares, it's basically the same trick...


EXACTLY........
Mar 13 2015 11:01PM
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Miomo
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PuzzledLet me clarify again, a backflip can be an offaxis 360. As long as you don't specify any xyz, anything can be offaxis. Who says a skier vertical vector is along the Y ? Why aren't we along the Z? How do you know that?

A 360 is inherently defined as a 360. A backflip is defined as a backflip. Sure, a backflip is a 360 degree rotation, but that doesn't make it a 360. I wouldn't do a 360, and call it a backflip. The axis is implied.
What you just said, though, contradicts your usage of "off-axis" in your original post. If off-axis can be any trick, then why would you use it as a classification separate from "inverted"?

PuzzledMaybe its all perfectly defined in gymnastics, but as freeskiers, we use transitions to launch into these rotations, so of course they will all end up being slightly offaxis (maybe x, maybe y or z, depends, unless you're using a perfect aerial jump).

Just doing a 360 doesn't mean it's off-axis, because compensating for the landing is what's necessary. No one says they did a clean 3 if they landed way backseat, but stayed perfectly on axis. You're reading wayyy to far into what I said.

PuzzledWhat you need to know, and what my original post was referring to :
Inverted for freeskiers = feet above head, even slightly.

A misty? Inverted.

Saying that inverted means feet even slightly above head is, I suppose, a matter of opinion - one which a disagree with.
Mar 13 2015 11:43PM
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Download-My-Apps
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shin-bangWhoever tells me what trick I attempted will get k+ lol


It looks as though your hips were setting more for rodeo or underflip but your upper body rotates when you leave the jump as if you're wanting to cork. You either have to flip and add spin or spin- and add flip off the jump, your body tried to do both at once....
Mar 14 2015 12:25AM
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Download-My-Apps
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Alex_BralowerThere you did a sort of under flip/rodeo variation, to change that to a flat 3 set your spin harder.


uhhhh, he rotated a 450 I dont think he needs to spin harder....
Mar 14 2015 12:29AM
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Alex_Bralower
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Download-My-Appsuhhhh, he rotated a 450 I dont think he needs to spin harder....


I mean set his spin harder then his flip.
Mar 14 2015 7:53AM
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.lencon
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Download-My-AppsIt looks as though your hips were setting more for rodeo or underflip but your upper body rotates when you leave the jump as if you're wanting to cork. You either have to flip and add spin or spin- and add flip off the jump, your body tried to do both at once....


shin-bang invents new trick
Mar 15 2015 12:19AM
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