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So are we not allowed to defend ourselves anymore? No idea how anyone in their right mind could defend Brown. You know how this situation could've been avoided?
Mike Brown could've:
Not robbed a convenience store
Complied with Wilson
Not reached for Wilson's gun
Not attack Wilson
I will say this. At first I was happy George Zimmerman was acquitted. I thought that he was legitimately in danger of losing his life and that trayvon was up to no good.
My opinion on that has changed completely. Zim is obviously a psychopath as his recent behavior has shown. I think he was a racist scumbag and while I don't think he set out to kill Martin that night he definitely didn't feel bad about it after. He created the issue after being told to stay away from Martin, and he probably should have been found guilty.
I might be saying the same thing about Wilson in 2 months... Who knows. The fact is that if I got pulled over for doing 15 over id get accosted verbally and a big ticket... A black kid with dreads would get searched and put on the ground. In 90% of cases that'd be true. I don't think wilson is having an easy time living with himself post mike brown... But I think had it been a white kid it would have ended differently. Honestly.
well luckily for the white police officers who shoot an unarmed black person every 28 hours, my supposed bias towards unarmed and dead civilians plays no part in the cases. luckily for Darren Wilson, the people who got him off without even conducting a trial have no bias whatsoever, toward anything.
k-robfriendly reminder that when the police beat people they end up looking like this:
when Mike Brown was supposedly beating the shit out of Darren Wilson he left him with nothing more than a mosquito bite.
Hey K-rob. You know why there is a shocking difference. When a cop is atttacked, they turn to one of their weapons to defend themselves. Oh but what happens when thugs attack cops, and they don't use their weapons? They end up dead.
UglyboyYeah, using your power arbitrarily and killing a man is so innocent! You're one of the most ignorant, white collar people I've ever come accros. Must be nice living in white collar surbibia with all your privileges.
White collar? Hahahahaha wtf dude.... I'm not sure you know where I live, i lol'd though. Plus killing a man over self defense isn't really the officers the officers choice, the kid shouldn't of been doing illegal shit. and then run from the store and attack a cop...
And what is surbibia? A mix between Serbia and Namibia? Lrn2spell
k-robyknow it's funny, i could (or if i was a mod and had the time) pull up threads from just a few months back in which quite a few members vehemently denied that there was racism in the Ferguson police force, or in America in general. fortunately, there's government agencies that went to some lengths to prove that to you instead. so yknow, i'll keep posting, and then i'll just wait a few months for the FBI to prove everything i say. whether or not you guys would actually read their reports is the problem.
so what government agencies are trustworthy to you then? You'll listen to and trust the FBI and their findings but all cops are scumbags and can't be trusted?
I'm not saying their findings weren't accurate, because I really don't have any idea what's been going on in Ferguson because I've never been there, but did you expect their investigation to come up with anything other than what they announced? I rather doubt it
Either way, there is still no actual evidence of officer wilson in particular ever having exhibited any racial bias in the line of duty
MTNSHey K-rob. You know why there is a shocking difference. When a cop is atttacked, they turn to one of their weapons to defend themselves. Oh but what happens when thugs attack cops, and they don't use their weapons? They end up dead.
This is such a dumb fucking post. Like wow, just wow.
.frenchyWhite collar? Hahahahaha wtf dude.... I'm not sure you know where I live, i lol'd though. Plus killing a man over self defense isn't really the officers the officers choice, the kid shouldn't of been doing illegal shit. and then run from the store and attack a cop...
And what is surbibia? A mix between Serbia and Namibia? Lrn2spell
I'm going to assume you live in Granby Connecticut. Which according to 2010 census data has much lower levels of poverty compared to the rest of Connecticut. It also states that there is little African American population within the town. Which Just furthers my suspension that you have no actual knowledge of just how much African Americans feel they are mistreated and racially discriminated against.
Do you have sense or faith in the justice system? Stealing from a store however dumb it may be does not warrant being shot. There are plenty of white people who attack cops and aren't shot? Why they're not shot? Because they're white.
Also doesn't help the prosecutions case when an independent autopsy is finally allowed and the body has been washed and they don't have access to the clothes of Mike brown. I hope you never get into a position of power because your logic is so flawed and boarders on that of a tyrannical dictatorship.
Yes, let all cops kill every person for stealing a chocolate bar. Fuck the legal system, fuck the extensive training I've received for problems like this and fuck any regard for human life. I have a gun and he's black so I'm going to shoot him.
But shit. You rekt'd me with correcting my spelling. Thanks Einstein.
UglyboyI'm going to assume you live in Granby Connecticut. Which according to 2010 census data has much lower levels of poverty compared to the rest of Connecticut. It also states that there is little African American population within the town. Which Just furthers my suspension that you have no actual knowledge of just how much African Americans feel they are mistreated and racially discriminated against.
Do you have sense or faith in the justice system? Stealing from a store however dumb it may be does not warrant being shot. There are plenty of white people who attack cops and aren't shot? Why they're not shot? Because they're white.
Also doesn't help the prosecutions case when an independent autopsy is finally allowed and the body has been washed and they don't have access to the clothes of Mike brown. I hope you never get into a position of power because your logic is so flawed and boarders on that of a tyrannical dictatorship.
Yes, let all cops kill every person for stealing a chocolate bar. Fuck the legal system, fuck the extensive training I've received for problems like this and fuck any regard for human life. I have a gun and he's black so I'm going to shoot him.
But shit. You rekt'd me with correcting my spelling. Thanks Einstein.
Granite_StateThis is such a dumb fucking post. Like wow, just wow.
Typical shit head response from Granite State. Instead of pointing out the logical fallacies (which are not prevalent) in my response, just call my post stupid.
UglyboyDo you have sense or faith in the justice system? Stealing from a store however dumb it may be does not warrant being shot. There are plenty of white people who attack cops and aren't shot? Why they're not shot? Because they're white.
And there are plenty of white people who do get shot. And there are plenty of African American people who don't get shot.
plyswthsqrrlsso what government agencies are trustworthy to you then? You'll listen to and trust the FBI and their findings but all cops are scumbags and can't be trusted?
I'm not saying their findings weren't accurate, because I really don't have any idea what's been going on in Ferguson because I've never been there, but did you expect their investigation to come up with anything other than what they announced? I rather doubt it
Either way, there is still no actual evidence of officer wilson in particular ever having exhibited any racial bias in the line of duty
honestly i don't trust any of them, and i never said i did, but the thing about the FBI report is that it sounds legit, whereas not a single one of Darren's stories passed my sniff test. that could just be my bias though, obviously the FBI could just be working for the Ferguson protesters, trying to convince us all that there's some kind of problem that doesn't actually exist.
MTNSSo are we not allowed to defend ourselves anymore? No idea how anyone in their right mind could defend Brown. You know how this situation could've been avoided?
Mike Brown could've:
Not robbed a convenience store
Complied with Wilson
Not reached for Wilson's gun
Not attack Wilson
Darren Wilson could have:
used pepper spray
used a knight stick
used a tazer
Most cops are just fine and do their jobs just as everyone else does their jobs. There are some people in it to channel their violent nature in a way that seems justified. This video of Dallas police shooting a schizophrenic holding a screwdriver just pisses me off beyond belief. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=026_1426547851
If your goal is life is to kill people, join the army, not the police force. Someone holding a fucking screwdriver doesn't deserve to be killed, terrorists holding hostage and killing innocent civilians do.
k-robhonestly i don't trust any of them, and i never said i did, but the thing about the FBI report is that it sounds legit, whereas not a single one of Darren's stories passed my sniff test. that could just be my bias though, obviously the FBI could just be working for the Ferguson protesters, trying to convince us all that there's some kind of problem that doesn't actually exist.
I think we see the same things just through different filters, my trust tends to lean more towards trusting the authorities, and yours tends to lean towards the public. Which is completely fair I think
MTNSTypical shit head response from Granite State. Instead of pointing out the logical fallacies (which are not prevalent) in my response, just call my post stupid.
I called your post stupid because, 1) its worded so fucking awkwardly I can barely understand what you are even trying to say and 2) what point are you even trying to make? That cops die if they are attacked by "thugs" and don't use their weapon? Because if thats the case then yes, it is a stupid fucking post and wrong.
infuserDarren Wilson could have:
used pepper spray
used a knight stick
used a tazer
Yeah because those are gonna be the go to tool when you have to take down a 300lb, pissed off, man trying to kill you. I doubt anyone would even hesitate to use their gun if they were in the situation
MTNSYeah because those are gonna be the go to tool when you have to take down a 300lb, pissed off, man trying to kill you. I doubt anyone would even hesitate to use their gun if they were in the situation
300lbs? Whatever. Anyway, pepper spray works on bears that are a lot scarier than this made up 300lb black person.
infuserDarren Wilson could have:
used pepper spray
used a knight stick
used a tazer
Officers are trained extensively to take down a target non lethally. And according to what all these dumbfucks are AKA frenchy say he was trying to kill the officer....funny cuz the officer came off nearly unscathed. But next time I feel unsafe and somebody who has just taken a candy bar from the mountain store tries to start a fight with me I'm going to shoot him. Cause ya know...self defense and he was a criminal.
MTNSYeah because those are gonna be the go to tool when you have to take down a 300lb, pissed off, man trying to kill you. I doubt anyone would even hesitate to use their gun if they were in the situation
Yes I would hesitate because I'm about to kill a person . I have been shot by a taser and that will fucking drop you no problem. So shut the fuck up.
MTNSYeah because those are gonna be the go to tool when you have to take down a 300lb, pissed off, man trying to kill you. I doubt anyone would even hesitate to use their gun if they were in the situation
Yeah dude! 18 y/o Mike Brown was definitely trying to kill a cop in the middle of an urban area, in the middle of the street, with tons of witnesses watching the event!
Granite_StateYeah dude! 18 y/o Mike Brown was definitely trying to kill a cop in the middle of an urban area, in the middle of the street, with tons of witnesses watching the event!
Well there were not many wittinesses that's why we're having this cluster fuck of an argument is because there is a lack of proof of both sides but regardless no one needed to be killed.
Government otopsy reports also showed the M brown was shot in the chest not in the back. He was also shot at a close range due to the gun power burns from the ignition of the gun.
lcoopmanGovernment otopsy reports also showed the M brown was shot in the chest not in the back. He was also shot at a close range due to the gun power burns from the ignition of the gun.
Granite_StateYeah dude! 18 y/o Mike Brown was definitely trying to kill a cop in the middle of an urban area, in the middle of the street, with tons of witnesses watching the event!
You are one dumb fuck if you think he wasn't attacking Wilson
Brown was shot in the top of the head. The only possible way this could have happened is that brown football style charged wilson, and wilson fired
Close discharge through the hand.
"The Justice Department autopsy found that Brown died from multiple gunshot wounds and had severe head and chest injuries, though it noted that the chest injury might have been an exit wound from a shot that entered Brown’s arm. The autopsy also found a minor gunshot wound to Brown’s right hand was evidence of close range discharge of a firearm."
Look at last few sentences
lcoopmanClose discharge through the hand.
"The Justice Department autopsy found that Brown died from multiple gunshot wounds and had severe head and chest injuries, though it noted that the chest injury might have been an exit wound from a shot that entered Brown’s arm. The autopsy also found a minor gunshot wound to Brown’s right hand was evidence of close range discharge of a firearm."
Look at last few sentences
When someone grabbing for you gun you kinda need to use lethal force, it's between your life and his life. Sure maybe he could of tazed, or pepper sprayed him but that's not quickest option.
lcoopmanWhen someone grabbing for you gun you kinda need to use lethal force, it's between your life and his life. Sure maybe he could of tazed, or pepper sprayed him but that's not quickest option.
I understand your point but the reality is, for a well trained officer it should have never gotten to that point. There were many measures that could have been taken to prevent that.
Sketchy3sI understand your point but the reality is, for a well trained officer it should have never gotten to that point. There were many measures that could have been taken to prevent that.
MTNSYou are one dumb fuck if you think he wasn't attacking Wilson
Brown was shot in the top of the head. The only possible way this could have happened is that brown football style charged wilson, and wilson fired
I mean did I say anywhere I think he wasn't? There must be a disconnect somewhere in your line of thinking because attacking=/=trying to kill. Also, you say the ONLY way he could have been shot in the head was if he was charging football style. See, there's your bias right there. He could have been easily been falling forward as well to get that type of entry wound. And many analysts agree. Plus the fact that 6 shots were fired is considered widely to be at least 4 shots too many.
IMO, I don't think Brown had any intention of killing an officer, especially in the middle of the street and in a very urban enviroment. Like really? You think this KID really planned on shooting an officer in the middle of the street in the officers patrol car? Really? Oh well haha, some people are just foolish I guess.
Granite_StateI mean did I say anywhere I think he wasn't? There must be a disconnect somewhere in your line of thinking because attacking=/=trying to kill. Also, you say the ONLY way he could have been shot in the head was if he was charging football style. See, there's your bias right there. He could have been easily been falling forward as well to get that type of entry wound. And many analysts agree. Plus the fact that 6 shots were fired is considered widely to be at least 4 shots too many.
IMO, I don't think Brown had any intention of killing an officer, especially in the middle of the street and in a very urban enviroment. Like really? You think this KID really planned on shooting an officer in the middle of the street in the officers patrol car? Really? Oh well haha, some people are just foolish I guess.
I agree with you 100% accept for the fact that he fired 6 shots. While it is a little over kill that is what officers are trained to do.
Sketchy3sI agree with you 100% accept for the fact that he fired 6 shots. While it is a little over kill that is what officers are trained to do.
Oh I completely understand that officers are trained to kill. But he missed center mass 4 times then put two shots through Browns head. I feel he shot up Brown, who Im sure was approaching him (though saying he was running at Wilson can, and will never be proved) and as Wilson pumped him full of lead Brown fell forward where he recieved the final shot through the top of the head.
It is my opinion Wilson did everything wrong. If he was truly intimidated by Browns size he could have done a multitude of things (locked his car door, closed his window, called for backup, etc.) Like many people have said, he could have easily tasered or pepper srayed, or did a combination of both to subdue the suspect. And according to Wilsons report he said "Brown just kept coming" and apprently in a threatening manner. Still sound slike he ha dplenty of time to subdue the suspect without violent recoruse. Police make mistakes all the time, Wilson sure did. What makes me sick is people defending his actions. What he did is not how police are trained, nor how they should act. Wilson is a coward in my eyes.
Granite_StateOh I completely understand that officers are trained to kill. But he missed center mass 4 times then put two shots through Browns head. I feel he shot up Brown, who Im sure was approaching him (though saying he was running at Wilson can, and will never be proved) and as Wilson pumped him full of lead Brown fell forward where he recieved the final shot through the top of the head.
It is my opinion Wilson did everything wrong. If he was truly intimidated by Browns size he could have done a multitude of things (locked his car door, closed his window, called for backup, etc.) Like many people have said, he could have easily tasered or pepper srayed, or did a combination of both to subdue the suspect. And according to Wilsons report he said "Brown just kept coming" and apprently in a threatening manner. Still sound slike he ha dplenty of time to subdue the suspect without violent recoruse. Police make mistakes all the time, Wilson sure did. What makes me sick is people defending his actions. What he did is not how police are trained, nor how they should act. Wilson is a coward in my eyes.
His car door was locked. He called for backup as soon as Brown took off on foot. He is a cop, he can't just let the suspect run away because he's "intimidated" by their size. He pursued Brown, who turned back around and charged the officer. Bear in mind, all of this was after he engaged in a physical altercation with the officer and tried to reach for his gun (this has been proven, there really isn't any denying it based on the gsr found on Brown's hand). At this point, it is ENTIRELY acceptable for officer Wilson to fear for his life and use lethal force. Brown was unresponsive to his orders, aggressive, and charging back at the officer. What his intent was, who knows? But it certainly wasn't in order to give Wilson a hug.
It's a simple concept, listen to the police, and if they're telling you to step back, you just fucking do it. It's Brown who made all the mistakes here, he did everything wrong that day. It's unfortunate it had to come to lethal force, but if it hadn't come down to that we very well could be discussing "Mike Brown the cop killer". It's a split second action, there isn't any time to think, and Wilson's training took over and he reacted the way he was trained to. That's why police all over the States support Wilson and his story
Sorry, just my opinion here. Wilson was not in the wrong in this scenario
plyswthsqrrlsHis car door was locked. He called for backup as soon as Brown took off on foot. He is a cop, he can't just let the suspect run away because he's "intimidated" by their size. He pursued Brown, who turned back around and charged the officer. Bear in mind, all of this was after he engaged in a physical altercation with the officer and tried to reach for his gun (this has been proven, there really isn't any denying it based on the gsr found on Brown's hand). At this point, it is ENTIRELY acceptable for officer Wilson to fear for his life and use lethal force. Brown was unresponsive to his orders, aggressive, and charging back at the officer. What his intent was, who knows? But it certainly wasn't in order to give Wilson a hug.
It's a simple concept, listen to the police, and if they're telling you to step back, you just fucking do it. It's Brown who made all the mistakes here, he did everything wrong that day. It's unfortunate it had to come to lethal force, but if it hadn't come down to that we very well could be discussing "Mike Brown the cop killer". It's a split second action, there isn't any time to think, and Wilson's training took over and he reacted the way he was trained to. That's why police all over the States support Wilson and his story
Sorry, just my opinion here. Wilson was not in the wrong in this scenario
Well said. Though we have different opinions on the matter I can def see your viewpoint. I just think the second confrontation could and should have gone differently.
Granite_StateWell said. Though we have different opinions on the matter I can def see your viewpoint. I just think the second confrontation could and should have gone differently.
Yeah that's totally fair, it's like I said above, it comes down to trust at this point because there really isn't any tangible evidence
Granite_StateWell said. Though we have different opinions on the matter I can def see your viewpoint. I just think the second confrontation could and should have gone differently.
plyswthsqrrlsYeah that's totally fair, it's like I said above, it comes down to trust at this point because there really isn't any tangible evidence
It's an issue with the system. People should learn to obey officers and the law and officers should not be as trigger happy and better trained. There have been instances where kids (white for all those who think this is a purely racial issue) got shot for not putting down a screw driver. If they obeyed and put it down there's no issue. If the officer was calm and well trained he wouldn't have shot him 4 times after only saying put it down once. If both sides can cooperate we can avoid these issues. Also shout out to all those like you guys who don't just put there one sided oppinion on without support (.frenchy) it's good to talk about it without the other shit.
Sketchy3sIt's an issue with the system. People should learn to obey officers and the law and officers should not be as trigger happy and better trained. There have been instances where kids (white for all those who think this is a purely racial issue) got shot for not putting down a screw driver. If they obeyed and put it down there's no issue. If the officer was calm and well trained he wouldn't have shot him 4 times after only saying put it down once. If both sides can cooperate we can avoid these issues. Also shout out to all those like you guys who don't just put there one sided oppinion on without support (.frenchy) it's good to talk about it without the other shit.
I agree with this post for the most part, although I would argue a vast majority of officers are not trigger happy and are very well trained. Some people just aren't as mentally tough, but it's not something you can test for or weed out during application or training processes. You won't know how you'll react until it comes down to that split-second decision. It's an impossibly tough job, and I have so much respect for the people who take it on every day.
Also, I wouldn't say (again, this is my opinion) the Mike Brown shooting falls under the category of a trigger happy officer. In that case, I would say it unfolded the only way it could have based on the information we have. But, we all view the information through our own personal filter, so there isn't really a right or wrong answer
k-rob*fires 12 bullets at an unarmed kid, missing six* this is what i was trained for.
You realize you are just as close-minded as the people you're arguing against right?
Who knows man, maybe if you were in Wilson's shoes, you would've made the first three shots and that would've been it. Maybe you wouldn't fire at all and you would end up dead? Or maybe neither of you would end up dead and Brown would be in jail today for assaulting a police officer. Point is, nobody fucking knows what anyone would do when put in a situation like that. Wilson was acting within confines of the law because his life WAS at risk, sure he panicked, but who the fuck wouldn't panic in that type of situation? Police officers are people.
He was shooting to neutralize a threat, he's not gonna shoot once and ask if Brown is ok. His job, when firing his weapon, is to shoot with intent to kill. So yes, that's how he (and all other cops) are trained to use their firearms
plyswthsqrrlsYou realize you are just as close-minded as the people you're arguing against right?
Who knows man, maybe if you were in Wilson's shoes, you would've made the first three shots and that would've been it. Maybe you wouldn't fire at all and you would end up dead? Or maybe neither of you would end up dead and Brown would be in jail today for assaulting a police officer. Point is, nobody fucking knows what anyone would do when put in a situation like that. Wilson was acting within confines of the law because his life WAS at risk, sure he panicked, but who the fuck wouldn't panic in that type of situation? Police officers are people.
He was shooting to neutralize a threat, he's not gonna shoot once and ask if Brown is ok. His job, when firing his weapon, is to shoot with intent to kill. So yes, that's how he (and all other cops) are trained to use their firearms
the fact that he used his firearm at all against an unarmed civilian is what's crazy (that's probably just cause i don't live in a country where it's totally okay and normal to do that though, cops and everyone else here don't consider unarmed civilians a risk to their lives). the fact that his excuse for using said gun was that he "forgot his taser." his "wounds" were negligible enough to not require treatment. also, i know that cops in the states are never actually punished for breaking protocol, but he broke protocol. frankly, because there wasn't a trial, and he never gave testimony in a real court, i cannot put any faith in Darren's testimony, let alone the justice system that deemed it was fine for there to be no photos of the crime scene, for the witnesses testimony to be ignored and REPLACED with witnesses who WEREN'T EVEN THERE, and the simple fact that the people responsible for the non-trial started quitting their jobs as soon as that report came out.
i do appreciate your long-winded and well thought-out response to the simple fact that Darren Wilson fired half his clip at THE BACK of an unarmed man who was THE EXACT SAME HEIGHT as him, then managed to hit him AFTER he turned and raised AT LEAST one arm.
so are unarmed black people, who happen to get SHOT AT EVERY 28 HOURS by a certain other group of people. you think I don't know cops? me and the local police are on a first name basis, and not because i was a good guy. never once has one of them thought to pull a gun on me (trust me, you can subdue a guy pretty easily without, especially if you're a trained police officer).
Lots of different races of people get shot. The news publices more of the races that we had "trouble" with in the past such as racism with African Americans. Just because the news says that African American was shot doesn't mean that other races are being shot and killed too. If you know what I mean?
lcoopmanLots of different races of people get shot. The news publices more of the races that we had "trouble" with in the past such as racism with African Americans. Just because the news says that African American was shot doesn't mean that other races are being shot and killed too. If you know what I mean?
you're saying unarmed white people are getting shot at by white cops all the time too. which, if it's true, is still be a pretty big fucking problem.
lcoopmanLots of different races of people get shot. The news publices more of the races that we had "trouble" with in the past such as racism with African Americans. Just because the news says that African American was shot doesn't mean that other races are being shot and killed too. If you know what I mean?
Between 2010-2012 31.17 black people were killed by police per million. In that same time frame 1.47 white people were killed by police per million. Those FACTS are from the FBI's Supplementary Homicide Report. Just saying...
k-robso are unarmed black people, who happen to get SHOT AT EVERY 28 HOURS by a certain other group of people. you think I don't know cops? me and the local police are on a first name basis, and not because i was a good guy. never once has one of them thought to pull a gun on me (trust me, you can subdue a guy pretty easily without, especially if you're a trained police officer).
Man seriously you need to stop spewing the same "facts" into every post (quotations because I've yet to see a source, although I'm sure you have one). Yes, unarmed people of EVERY race are shot by police, and many of them aren't deserving. Michael Brown was NOT one of those cases. You're trying to spin the information from the case to support your own views.
I never even mentioned your relationship with the police, although it doesn't sounds like a particularly good one. I'm also willing to bet you have never reached for a police officer's weapon during a physical altercation, and am also willing to bet you never charged at a police officer after being told to freeze.
Subduing a complying suspect is different than dealing with someone who very clearly has ignored every instruction given to them on top of being physically abusive towards you.
You really need to be just a little more objective, and slightly less close-minded. Granted, I'm also defending my point of view, but at the same time I'm acknowledging opposing opinions and giving credit where its due. You, on the other hand, refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't just agree with you
Granite_StateBetween 2010-2012 31.17 black people were killed by police per million. In that same time frame 1.47 white people were killed by police per million. Those FACTS are from the FBI's Supplementary Homicide Report. Just saying...
"Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 50.0 percent were black, 46.0 percent were white, and 2.6 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 175 victims. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 2.)"
