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Gapers now own twin tips?

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Slush
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Maybe i'm being a jaded dick about this, but it's really started to get to me. Sorry if I come off as a jerk

So, recently came back from a day of skiing, and for some reason, it seems like more and more kids are getting twin tippers. Mainly Lines, with some Volk and K2 in there. Nearly every kid on the mountain owned twin tips (Not a bad thing!), and were dressed up in their "park" apparel, and.... they all sucked dick. Like, really bad. Tons of kids were "gaping" it off the lips of jumps, knuckling 5 footers, basic gaper stuff. Nobody did anything really... Stylish... Robot 180s, 50-50 boxes. Although, some kid did spin a really shifty'd FS270 out on a rail, which I made sure to applaud. Same stuff thrown over and over, no progression really

My point here is not to bag on gapers, or to be all "i'm way better than them", i'm just seeing less and less steeze in the park, and more and more gapers who don't really do anything with park, just "in it for the scene". I don't know if it is just my mountain, or it is like this all around.

My main problem with this is that I think it's giving park skiing a bad name in a sense. When you tell someone that you ski park, do you want them to think about steezy tricks, big airs, and creative riding? Or do you want them to think about all the robots who all look the same who don't progress...

That's the end of my silly rant. Again, sorry if I come off as a jerk, just trying to get my point across better.
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Slush
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Shit, Well apparently posting in the poll will publish the thread. Please excuse my errorz
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BROLF
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This thread sucks
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Red_Beard_Jr
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Everyone has to start somewhere. Style comes after you get comfortable hitting features/jumps
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S.J.W
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So people want our sport to grow,pros get paid more, etc, etc but don't want more people in the park and using twin tips? Nope can't have it both ways
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Holte
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I will say that it was cool when you could approach anybody with twin tips and know they'd be legit to take a few laps with.
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marrows
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TwinipzMaybe i'm being a jaded dick about this, but it's really started to get to me. Sorry if I come off as a jerk

So, recently came back from a day of skiing, and for some reason, it seems like more and more kids are getting twin tippers. Mainly Lines, with some Volk and K2 in there. Nearly every kid on the mountain owned twin tips (Not a bad thing!), and were dressed up in their "park" apparel, and.... they all sucked dick. Like, really bad. Tons of kids were "gaping" it off the lips of jumps, knuckling 5 footers, basic gaper stuff. Nobody did anything really... Stylish... Robot 180s, 50-50 boxes. Although, some kid did spin a really shifty'd FS270 out on a rail, which I made sure to applaud. Same stuff thrown over and over, no progression really

My point here is not to bag on gapers, or to be all "i'm way better than them", i'm just seeing less and less steeze in the park, and more and more gapers who don't really do anything with park, just "in it for the scene". I don't know if it is just my mountain, or it is like this all around.

My main problem with this is that I think it's giving park skiing a bad name in a sense. When you tell someone that you ski park, do you want them to think about steezy tricks, big airs, and creative riding? Or do you want them to think about all the robots who all look the same who don't progress...

That's the end of my silly rant. Again, sorry if I come off as a jerk, just trying to get my point across better.


who cares what people think about "park skiing" and whether or not it has a bad name. why do you even think that is thread is valid
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DaGreenbird
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Try to educate them instead. Maybe they do that shit out of simple ignorance because they have no one to show them the ropes. Yeah, that stuff is annoying, but how will anything ever change if you just post about it on NS and say nothing?
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fresh_prince
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Twinipzi'm being a jaded dick


:/
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fresh_prince
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but seriously, I totally see your point but you have to admit, arnt gapers great to make fun of ? I Mean, skiing wouldn't be the same without them.
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yeahmon
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Jerrys gonna jerry
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dingus
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Alot of skiers with twin tips dont do whirly birds, I didn't read any of it except when you said you are a jaded dick, but I am assuming you are talking about 12 year olds and a lot of them get the twin tips because they are the only ski with a cool design, and some also see skiers that rip in the park and think to themselves "I wanna be like that" don't be a jaded dick, be a happy soul.
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DrZoidberg
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Half of them are probably on their first pair and learning.

I was riding the lift with these two kids. The one kid asked the other how he picked his skis. And the kid was like "well I wanted twin tips," and that seemed to be his only criteria. He had no intent of skiing park or anything. The kid also said they were more like powder skis. They were not pow skis in the slightest. So there are obviously people who are just uninformed and want them because they think it's cool.

But, who cares?
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steeze4days
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This.

Non-twin tip skis are a thing of the past, almost all new skis are twin tips with the exception of racing skis/cross country.

Also who gives a fuck if there's people in the park who can't throw 3's or hit rails.

As long as they're not ruining anyone else day by snaking etc then it doesn't matter, and if they are then tell them they are and teach them some park etiquette (they probably don't even know that theres things you just don't do)

You gotta be the change you want to see OP
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veng_m
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gapers make me giggle
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fortyvalve
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If you look at park skiing that way you have to look at the rest of skiing that way. You're choosing to focus on what you believe to be a negative, when in reality they're just people who want to get into a different area of skiing. Why is that a bad thing to you? The only time it's negative is if they're out there physically ruining features or snaking lines, other than that, why shouldn't they be able to learn? With this logic you should also hate the racers and mogul skiers who don't have perfect form or aren't the fastest down the hill. I think you're worrying about something that doesn't need to be worried about. People choose how they remember something, and I think it's safe to say even if they see two kids the whole day throw down they will probably remember those two kids because of the "wow factor" of the trick, rather than the other 50 who they saw wipe out that day.
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Dobber
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steeze4daysNon-twin tip skis are a thing of the past


Truu. I actually think normal skis look strange now. I'm so accustomed to twins that I wonder why people only have "One-tip"
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freestyler540
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I was expecting a thread like this back in 2001. Really, are you so uptight about the sport you have to dictate the gear they wear or the clothes they should be wearing? Maybe we should tag them with armband and start harassing them out of the park. That should improve the reputation of the sport.

Look man, I felt the same when I was young. Why do gapers ride around in technical skis and expensive gear when they cant do the sport? Why do I get deceived when I see a straight air from a guy completely dressed in Siver Cartel? It came down to ego and money. Your kid has no talent? well I least he looks good while doing it. But after being broke and riding in cotton gear, I felt even more resentment.

You have to remember that you are out there because you wanna be out there. The people in the background should not influence your riding or your attitude on the hill. Be happy they are obeying park etiquette and not going down 10 kids aged 5-10 bombing down the park without parents. That pisses me off way more.
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theabortionator
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This is nothing new. OP is just noticing it because he's moving away from the gaper stage. They've had fucking hello kitty twin tips for years.

Before maybe 07 you could tell if people rode park by twins or their outerwear, even then it was on the decline.

Inb4 op sux
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sbarlett
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I was a huge gaper when I started skiing, but I would much rather have learned on twin tips than my k2 downhill skis.. They're more mainstream now, I see dads with twins that wouldn't go anywhere near the park
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supersquid
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yeah it sucks everyone wants to be a good park skier, but they don't have what it takes or the balls. Not hating just saying not everyone was meant to ski park as a result you get lots of gapers. Thats fine if they want to be a gaper if their having fun and not snaking every skier by hitting the kickers onto rails as jumps. But your question about no steely skiers, what makes them steely? Not everyone can be steezy with sick style, thats why those who do are considered steezy. If everyone had mad style and could future spin and wore xxxxxl jackets and could make it look stylish we wouldn't have any gapers. But is that what you want? Personally i think it would ruin the sport. if it were easy everyone would be doing it.
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El_Barto.
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theabortionatorThis is nothing new. OP is just noticing it because he's moving away from the gaper stage. They've had fucking hello kitty twin tips for years.

Before maybe 07 you could tell if people rode park by twins or their outerwear, even then it was on the decline.

Inb4 op sux


you called? Peep the sig OP
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Trace.
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TwinipzMy main problem with this is that I think it's giving park skiing a bad name in a sense. When you tell someone that you ski park, do you want them to think about steezy tricks, big airs, and creative riding? Or do you want them to think about all the robots who all look the same who don't progress...


If you tell someone you ski park odds are they'll assume you snowboard and go about their day not giving one fuck because no one actually cares about anyone else's hobbies. Just be happy that you have more people to share the joy of skiing with because it really was not that long ago when finding a fellow group of park skiers was an exercise in futility.
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snowpocalypse
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Go to your local ski shop. Look on the wall at the Jr ski selection. 9 out of ten skis will be twins. The ski companies and demand dictate that most skis under $600 are twins.
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Chuch
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"twin-tips" arent just park skis.
dont think your a dick but just do you and dont let gapers harsh your mellow.
Id rather people get into freestyle skiing and the industry progresses instead of people being scared out of the park or off their twin tips and the industry just stays the same.
a wise man once said- wu-tang is for the children
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Hamlet
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Twin-Tips are super mainstream right now.

I'm riding the kaestle colby (xx80 now i think) and the amount of people on them that would not even go near the park is ridiculous.

The funniest thing is that it's a symmetrical ski and those idiots have them mounted like regular, non symetrical skis. Kinda beats the purpose of having symetrical skis in my opinion, but hey... it looks hillarious to those like us who know something about skis.
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seward
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steeze4daysThis.

Non-twin tip skis are a thing of the past, almost all new skis are twin tips with the exception of racing skis/cross country.


umm, no.

find me one large manufacturer who doesnt produce solely twin tip skis who offers more twin tip model skis to its customers than non twin tips.

the only number i could find as a comparison was from 2010.
it states that in north america alone 72,129 pairs of twin tip skis were sold.
where as alpine skis sold a total of 595,653 pairs.

if your claim that all skis are now twintips with the exception of cross country and racing skis is correct, that would mean there were a total of 523,524 pairs of racing or cross country skis sold in north america during the 2010 season.

yes, this number was from 5 years ago. but any small amount of research will show you that sales of skiing hardgoods as a whole are down.

yes, freestyle skiing is getting more and more popular.
yes, more and more twin tips ski models are being manufactured and sold each year.
no, will twin tips ever eclipse the alpine market. no.
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eheath
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OP you are overthinking this situation, there have been gapers in the park for years nothing has changed. 'Gapers' buying twintips and 'park' apparel is good for our sport, so just let it happen.
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jellomellow
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I know this may sound stupid but i still may be considered a gaper. Sure i can't hit rail and can't spin over a 180 but if you ask me about gear i will know it.But its all about having fun out there.
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steeze4days
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sewardumm, no.

find me one large manufacturer who doesnt produce solely twin tip skis who offers more twin tip model skis to its customers than non twin tips.

the only number i could find as a comparison was from 2010.
it states that in north america alone 72,129 pairs of twin tip skis were sold.
where as alpine skis sold a total of 595,653 pairs.

if your claim that all skis are now twintips with the exception of cross country and racing skis is correct, that would mean there were a total of 523,524 pairs of racing or cross country skis sold in north america during the 2010 season.

yes, this number was from 5 years ago. but any small amount of research will show you that sales of skiing hardgoods as a whole are down.

yes, freestyle skiing is getting more and more popular.
yes, more and more twin tips ski models are being manufactured and sold each year.
no, will twin tips ever eclipse the alpine market. no.


Ski industry has changed a whole lot in the past five years bud.

Give me some up to date figures and then you can tell me I'm wrong.
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AngryGramps
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its kinda a bummer that people worry about park skiing "getting a bad name". With skiing getting more mainstream its really important, in my opinion, that we continue to keep the culture of skiing because we enjoy it, not because we want to show some image of ourselves. I know kids that ski park for the image. they're the same kids who are little shits to people who are just trying to enjoy themselves, just like pf us on here. who the fuck cares if there are beginners in the park. Gaperdom is not contagious, and as long as they follow decent etiquette who the fuck cares what they do.
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seward
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steeze4daysSki industry has changed a whole lot in the past five years bud.

Give me some up to date figures and then you can tell me I'm wrong.


im not your bud, pal.

why would i tell you that youre wrong?
i agree with you.

did you read what i wrote, at all?

i completely agree the ski industry has changed in the last 5 years.
but not to the point where large manufactures are exclusively making twin tips and twin tips only.
which was the claim i was originally addressing.

i also dont think it has changed from selling 100k pairs of twins and 600k of alpine skis, to 600k pair of twins, and 100k of alpine skis.

yes, it will be really hard for me to prove this.
as mentioned in my previous post, that stat from 2010 was the only hard figured numbers i could find which actually showed statistical data of pairs sold.
can you prove to me that twin tips outsell alpine skis?
no, you cant.

its as simple as this.
walk into any non freestyle specific ski shop.
count how many twin tip models they have for sale.
now count how many non twin tip models they have for sale.
which do they have more of?
why?
more than likely they stock more nontwin tipped skis than twin tipped, because there are more nontwintipped skis on the market, which sell more often than twin tips.
business 101.
you dont really need statistical data to understand the obvious, bud.

think about large companies that basically dominate the rental market.
think about how many pairs any given resort purchases each year.
you seriously think companies sell more twins than alpine skis?
im willing to bet they sell more "rental quality" skis than twin tips alone.
and thats not even beginning to look at whatever other non twintip skis they sell.

i admire your passion for freestyle skiing. i understand and share that passion. but dont let it cloud your judgement of whats real.

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steeze4days
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sewardim not your bud, pal.

why would i tell you that youre wrong?
i agree with you.

did you read what i wrote, at all?

i completely agree the ski industry has changed in the last 5 years.
but not to the point where large manufactures are exclusively making twin tips and twin tips only.
which was the claim i was originally addressing.

i also dont think it has changed from selling 100k pairs of twins and 600k of alpine skis, to 600k pair of twins, and 100k of alpine skis.

yes, it will be really hard for me to prove this.
as mentioned in my previous post, that stat from 2010 was the only hard figured numbers i could find which actually showed statistical data of pairs sold.
can you prove to me that twin tips outsell alpine skis?
no, you cant.

its as simple as this.
walk into any non freestyle specific ski shop.
count how many twin tip models they have for sale.
now count how many non twin tip models they have for sale.
which do they have more of?
why?
more than likely they stock more nontwin tipped skis than twin tipped, because there are more nontwintipped skis on the market, which sell more often than twin tips.
business 101.
you dont really need statistical data to understand the obvious, bud.

think about large companies that basically dominate the rental market.
think about how many pairs any given resort purchases each year.
you seriously think companies sell more twins than alpine skis?
im willing to bet they sell more "rental quality" skis than twin tips alone.
and thats not even beginning to look at whatever other non twintip skis they sell.

i admire your passion for freestyle skiing. i understand and share that passion. but dont let it cloud your judgement of whats real.



Urgh here we go again, Don't 1st off no need to be an asshole. BUD.

You clearly don't agree with me or you wouldn't posted your reply.

Not sure where you live but all the decent ski shops I've ever been to stock about 70% twin tip 30% alpine.

Also, the post was referring to the number of people skiing on twin tips, not how many pairs are bought by huge rental companies which usually have a huge amount of excess skis just in case.

Could have had a mature discussion on your opinions and mine but you decided to be a dick instead so:

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seward
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steeze4daysUrgh here we go again, Don't 1st off no need to be an asshole. BUD.

You clearly don't agree with me or you wouldn't posted your reply.

Not sure where you live but all the decent ski shops I've ever been to stock about 70% twin tip 30% alpine.

Also, the post was referring to the number of people skiing on twin tips, not how many pairs are bought by huge rental companies which usually have a huge amount of excess skis just in case.

Could have had a mature discussion on your opinions and mine but you decided to be a dick instead so:


wut?

just out of curiosity, how many times did you fail grade 3?
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steeze4days
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sewardwut?

just out of curiosity, how many times did you fail grade 3?


About as many times as i fucked your mom last week....

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seward
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steeze4daysAbout as many times as i fucked your mom last week....


good one bro.
you must rip it up on the tire swing at recess with that one.
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steeze4days
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sewardgood one bro.
you must rip it up on the tire swing at recess with that one.


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flacotaco
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This thread went downhill faster then a gaper on a double black dimond.
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theabortionator
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p00npatrolits kinda a bummer that people worry about park skiing "getting a bad name". With skiing getting more mainstream its really important, in my opinion, that we continue to keep the culture of skiing because we enjoy it, not because we want to show some image of ourselves. I know kids that ski park for the image. they're the same kids who are little shits to people who are just trying to enjoy themselves, just like pf us on here. who the fuck cares if there are beginners in the park. Gaperdom is not contagious, and as long as they follow decent etiquette who the fuck cares what they do.


There's a difference between embracing some $$$ coming into our sport and embracing gapers all over the park.


I care if there are beginners in the park because they're the ones cutting people off, throwing ridiculous ruts in takeoffs, and the most likely to sue when they use a feature improperly. Nothing more exciting that seeing someone that can't turn get carted out of the park by patrol because they fell hitting the "jump" aka side jumping the takeoff to some rail. Their the people that just skip the rails and send it off a booter with no speed checks. Shit like that.

Pretty much the point of being a gaper is being completely clueless to any etiquette that exists in the park.

When a mountain has a really good beginner park and those kids skip that to go break themselves sidejumping large parks it's annoying. They shouldn't be in there, and a good chunk of reported injuries in parks are people who had no business ever going through the entrance.
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WVskiing
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Who cares but I defiantly notice this. I think saga sponsors seven springs
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mseward
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I don't understand this thread. I think most people on this site absolutely sucked at park at one point or another.

I was horrible at park on my first pair of twintips. People gotta learn somehow.

However if you are referring to the people that go rent twice then show up in nicer gear than I own while they learn to pizza, that bugs me. More bc I'm jelly of nice gear tho
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ALaw
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Are you kidding me? It's awesome that these people are buying more twin tip skis and more gear from outerwear companies that we like.

Do you want to know why?

It means more money being pumped into our industry to the side of our sport that we all love. When more people buy freestyle oriented products, it shows ski companies that there is a large market share of the ski industry that they now have to cater towards. This means companies will then show much more support for the marketing efforts that we love. Athlete sponsorships, events, videos, park shoots, supporting local parks, and so on aren't just done because the companies enjoy these things. They happen because it brings them more exposure, and in turn, more revenue. With more people supporting a certain market segment we will start to see more companies supporting that segment as well. It happened for skateboarding. Why do you think guys like Nyjah, Janoski, Sheckler, and White get so much support? Because it isn't just the "core" skater kids that are buying products from the companies that they ride for. It is anyone who is inspired by them or their style and aspire to be like them.

So here's my opinion, let them wear or use whatever the fuck they want. Hell, encourage more people to buy "cool" gear or twin tips. This just means that our sport is growing and in time there will be more support for all of the things we know and love in freeskiing.
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gerbear
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You do sound like a tool/jerk. Who cares if they are trying to get into it? You sound like a gaper for just realizing now that gapers have been doing this type of stuff.
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mike759
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I've been skiing almost 10 years and I'm 15 but I just started park so maybe I'm in this category since I'm terrible, but I bought a pair of twin tips bc I consider myself a good all around skier and just wanna learn park
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marrows
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You think that everyone who skis can afford to buy a pair? Certainly not the majority.
So the statement about what ski shops sell is technically invalid.

You also say that these companies "usually have a huge excess of skis.." This is completely wrong. I've worked at multiple rental outlets across different parts of the world, and what you often find is that all the skis in the fleet are used and rotated so that, ideally, each ski gets an even usage, thus distributing any damage throughout the fleet and not concentrating it on the skis which are hanging at the front of the racks.
Therefore these skis are not excess stock at all.

almost all new skis are twin tips with the exception of racing skis/cross country.


This is so wrong that you are thus deemed retarded for this statement alone. (that and your constant need to post images to respond because you can't think of anything to say)
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Mr.Bishop
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pussyfooterOP you are overthinking this situation, there have been gapers in the park for years nothing has changed. 'Gapers' buying twintips and 'park' apparel is good for our sport, so just let it happen.


Not only is this true, it is CRITICAL for the growth and longevity of this whole freeskiing/newschool sport that we all love.

Having 'gapers' buy the products that the dope kids are pushing is the single most important thing that can possibly happen EVER. Its bigger than the Olympics, its bigger than the X-games and its bigger than anything else out there.

Snowboarding is able to have a flourishing street scene because people don't buy snowboards based off of anything else other than what the pros are doing. When you have the average public consuming goods based off of the 'cool kids' then it fuels the demand for hooking said 'cool kids' up.

Every time you see a 'gaper' rocking all the latest brand new shit, not only should you refrain from judging them, you should walk up to them, shake their hand and show them a pointer or two about how to get better.

These people are the lifeblood of our entire industry.
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corona
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who cares, it's all about the tri-tips now anyways.
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slim.chino
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It's not just park ski's that are twin tips anymore either. More and more ski's feature a rockered profile that offer versatility in different types of snow and an easier initiation of turns. Not all twin tips are rockered, granted, but an increasing number now have some kind of rocker technology.
Ski technology is always progressing and there is a large amount of marketing surrounding this. It's only natural for more and more people to be catching on and buying these kinds of skis.
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DrZoidberg
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What I don't get is why people who ski no park whatsoever buy park skis. If you're just making turns a flat back, more torsionally rigid and back mounted ski is better. I mean, I know most of them don't know any better. But if you're not skiing park there's tons of better skis to be on. I just figure people do a bit of reading or something before dropping several hundred dollars on a setup. So how they end up on a soft, center mounted rockered park ski for just doing turns and gaping doesn't make much sense.

This is also why I see people who are like six feet tall on 155 park skis mounted at like -8.
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Chvf
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I'm a git.(Gaper in training)
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JibSome
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I know what you mean. It's not different here in Europe as well. The thing that pisses me of is not them skiing with twin tips, but that they can't ski properly. I don't know about you guys but I was a pretty good skier before I started skiing park.
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