Injured because of hills fault?

paraphrasing, but: "features..change due to weather, snow conditions..time of day".

op said this is what happened.
to prove negligence(sp?), you would have to prove they knew about it beforehand.
sounds like they took care of it as soon as they were aware of it.

OP Post the pictures.

KneeDropparaphrasing, but: "features..change due to weather, snow conditions..time of day".

op said this is what happened.
to prove negligence(sp?), you would have to prove they knew about it beforehand.
sounds like they took care of it as soon as they were aware of it.

Mate those signs have no legal basis what so ever, this has been pointed out by me and a few others in this thread who have worked for mountain ops on a hill. If you have no knowledge of the law or of area liability seriously just stop commenting, you are sounding like a 12 year old because you are biased and just flat out wrong.

op has posted pictures. he's not suing the resort. he wants a new jacket which is completely fair. seriously you guys just all hop on the bandwagon and come off sounding like retards without backing up any of your opinions whatsoever.

KneeDropparaphrasing, but: "features..change due to weather, snow conditions..time of day".

op said this is what happened.
to prove negligence(sp?), you would have to prove they knew about it beforehand.
sounds like they took care of it as soon as they were aware of it.

also a park has to be checked before opening everyday. if its not regularly hit on that side then there should be no reason for a significant amount of snow to be moved off it from people washing out. therefore they missed it.

The resort would be liable should OP decide to sue. OP would get about $50 out of it when all lawyer fees are taken care of. OP seems to lack all sense of personal responsibility, but does hold a great deal of self entitlement.


OP chose to engage in a very dangerous activity. OP put absolutely no effort into trying to ensure said activity would be as safe as possible- ie checking out the features he would be hitting. OP got a bruise and is now throwing a temper tantrum that his jacket was also torn in the proccess.


OP has a very entitled outlook on life, and lacks a sense of self reliance and personal responsibility for his own actions.

Patroller here, The difference between natural man made features is huge. The ski area is responsible for keeping all man made objects safe. This is why chairlifts have pads while trees do not, and why mountains close off the bike features. You may have slid off the backside of a feature, but nonetheless they had an obligation to maintain the entire feature and despite falling in the 'wrong area' they could be held responsible.

pow_pow~you are sounding like a 12 year old because you are biased and just flat out wrong.

how am i biased? because i dont want our parks taken away due to entitled, sue-happy shitheads?

to continue my paraphrasing: "it is your responsibility to inspect before use and throughout the day"..
it just word for word telling op to shut the fuck up.

would he win a lawsuit/get his jacket back if he hired a lawyer? maybe
would that make him a shitty person? imo, absolutely.

KneeDropparaphrasing, but: "features..change due to weather, snow conditions..time of day".

op said this is what happened.
to prove negligence(sp?), you would have to prove they knew about it beforehand.
sounds like they took care of it as soon as they were aware of it.

No not at all. If a screw comes loose in a box and somebody and their skis get smoked the mountain didn't have to know to be liable.

pow_pow~Mate those signs have no legal basis what so ever, this has been pointed out by me and a few others in this thread who have worked for mountain ops on a hill. If you have no knowledge of the law or of area liability seriously just stop commenting, you are sounding like a 12 year old because you are biased and just flat out wrong.

op has posted pictures. he's not suing the resort. he wants a new jacket which is completely fair. seriously you guys just all hop on the bandwagon and come off sounding like retards without backing up any of your opinions whatsoever.

THIS SO FUCKING MUCH. Jesus christ people. OP never said anything about suing. said he wsn't suing if anything, just wants a jacket. People have gotten new gear for all kinds of stuff, 1 drop of oily water from the lift on a rainy day, screw out of boxes, and whatever else. IT depends on the place and time.

KneeDrophow am i biased? because i dont want our parks taken away due to entitled, sue-happy shitheads?

to continue my paraphrasing: "it is your responsibility to inspect before use and throughout the day"..
it just word for word telling op to shut the fuck up.

would he win a lawsuit/get his jacket back if he hired a lawyer? maybe
would that make him a shitty person? imo, absolutely.

I do not know what this setup looked like with this stake. But if there was a big piece of metal sticking up that ripped op's jacket it's fine to be pissed. How that makes him sue happy for wanting him replace idk(it doesn't you're just being fucking retarded).

Idk what financial situation you or your family is from. Let's say you don't have a lot of money. You work your ass off washing dishes or something similar all summer to go toward skiing. This money buys you a season pass, a new jacket since your old one no longer fits, maybe some skis, whatever. You're having a good old time shredding the park and then you land on a big piece of metal in the landing. Not even a random piece that just happened to get there but something that had been known to be there but since it wasn't in the intended landing area wasn't considered a proble Your jacket that you cleaned a zillion dirty dishes to afford is ripper, your back hurts, and you're super bummed. The people at the mountain basically say LOL, sucks to suck, too fucking bad bro, cry me a river, etc. You might be a little pissed and want a new jacket.

Like I said Idk what the stake looked like, exactly what went down, just that there are definitely scenarios where OP isn't being a "sue happy bitch" for trying to get a new jacket.

I've worked at ski area's for 13 seasons, 10 in the park. I'm not a lawyer, but I know a little bit about the mountains. I also know that whether people agree or disagree with OP getting a new jacket, a ton of people in this thread that are ganging up on him are just being ignorant douchebags. Yeah! 12 other people tore OP down YEah! I'm gonna do the same YEah!






I'm always scared of lawsuits. I don't want to see people get hurt, I don't want to end up in a courtroom ever over this stuff, I don't want any parks to get shut down or scaled back over lawsuits(see salvini case and removal of jumps) and I sure as fuck don't want to lose my ability to be creative in park building because of insurance mandated regulations. That said I don't see why everyone in this thread is being such a douche.

I appreciate people standing up for me because I'm not really a self entitled prick. It's funny that I didn't really think I was whining, and you team up on a fellow skier and take the big corporation side. This whole situation just felt so out of my control, sueing was never my intention. I love my home hill, why would I want to make enemies with them and jepordies ever having a park again. All I wish is the hill would have recognized their mistake and not made me feel like it was my fault. Everyone should be nicer on the Internet.

SLEEVESI appreciate people standing up for me because I'm not really a self entitled prick. It's funny that I didn't really think I was whining, and you team up on a fellow skier and take the big corporation side. This whole situation just felt so out of my control, sueing was never my intention. I love my home hill, why would I want to make enemies with them and jepordies ever having a park again. All I wish is the hill would have recognized their mistake and not made me feel like it was my fault. Everyone should be nicer on the Internet.

You can't take NS too seriously man, we've all been ripped a new asshole on this site for the shit we post. Can't speak for anyone else on this thread but my intention wasn't ever to "rip you down" or to "team up on you" I think for the most part people are just trying to give you their opinion on what went down. Granted, its tough to do with just one side of the story (which, admit it, is an incredibly biased one) and only pictures of the feature after they fixed it.

I still really can't picture where the stake would have been after looking at the pictures a couple times, or where you would have fallen from that was twelve feet up. I'm not calling you a liar, not trying to hurt your feelings, I'm just trying to understand the situation and provide the input which you asked for in the first place.

Obviously, it fucking sucks your jacket got messed up and you have a bruised back, but there definitely is personal responsibility here. Whether or not the hill is legally responsible is clearly up for debate and honestly I don't think you'll get your answer from us.

Your back isn't broken, you can still ski, just duct tape your jacket back up and go shred man. Or stitch it, or whatever

tldr; we aren't out to get you, you asked for opinions, go out and ski

as much as it sucks, if resorts keep getting complaints about how people got fucked up in their parks they will eventually just stop spending all the money to set them up. They're already a gigantic liability and probably bring in way less money then they cost (with a few exceptions). My honest opinion is that you are asking to fuck yourself up by riding pieces of wood and metal and you shouldn't bitch when the inevitable happens.


Also don't take shit so personally on the internet, you asked for opinions in a bitchy tone then got them.

plyswthsqrrlsYou can't take NS too seriously man, we've all been ripped a new asshole on this site for the shit we post. Can't speak for anyone else on this thread but my intention wasn't ever to "rip you down" or to "team up on you" I think for the most part people are just trying to give you their opinion on what went down. Granted, its tough to do with just one side of the story (which, admit it, is an incredibly biased one) and only pictures of the feature after they fixed it.

I still really can't picture where the stake would have been after looking at the pictures a couple times, or where you would have fallen from that was twelve feet up. I'm not calling you a liar, not trying to hurt your feelings, I'm just trying to understand the situation and provide the input which you asked for in the first place.

Obviously, it fucking sucks your jacket got messed up and you have a bruised back, but there definitely is personal responsibility here. Whether or not the hill is legally responsible is clearly up for debate and honestly I don't think you'll get your answer from us.

Your back isn't broken, you can still ski, just duct tape your jacket back up and go shred man. Or stitch it, or whatever

tldr; we aren't out to get you, you asked for opinions, go out and ski

People definitely were teaming up. I see it in threads all the time. Which ever way the first few posts go sometimes an entire thread will go.

roach1324as much as it sucks, if resorts keep getting complaints about how people got fucked up in their parks they will eventually just stop spending all the money to set them up. They're already a gigantic liability and probably bring in way less money then they cost (with a few exceptions). My honest opinion is that you are asking to fuck yourself up by riding pieces of wood and metal and you shouldn't bitch when the inevitable happens.


Also don't take shit so personally on the internet, you asked for opinions in a bitchy tone then got them.

On the other side if places leave stakes in the landing(again I still don't really know what happened) somebody is going to get really hurt and a ripped jacket will be the least of the problems.

If you fall on a box and ripe your jacket that's your fault. If you're sliding down a box and an alligator grabs your arm and rips it off because it was bring in your pet day on park crew and somebody left it chained up to the box, that isn't part of just sliding a box.

He wasn't really posting in an overly bitchy tone. Honestly a lot of the replies were almost dripping with tears/rage.

Just saying that when you ride the park metal stakes in landings aren't really part of what you're trying to get down on.

100% your fault. this is why a "spotting lap" is recommended when park etiquette is taught to groms. I'm sure you'll scope the wall ride before the next time you hit it. Our sport is dangerous and risky, you need to be okay with consequences of getting rad.

I would say fair compensation would be the resort letting you ski there again for making such a big scene. Grow a pair, completely your bad. The resort has no responsibility to make sure you don't overshoot.

SEABURN100% your fault. this is why a "spotting lap" is recommended when park etiquette is taught to groms. I'm sure you'll scope the wall ride before the next time you hit it. Our sport is dangerous and risky, you need to be okay with consequences of getting rad.

You shouldn't have to risk landing on stakes knives or alligators by riding the park. There is a difference between normal risks associated with the sport and random posts chilling in the landing.

PoLaRpEaKI would say fair compensation would be the resort letting you ski there again for making such a big scene. Grow a pair, completely your bad. The resort has no responsibility to make sure you don't overshoot.

Letting him ski there again is a huge deal because he was pissed that their was a stake in the landing? Grow a pair? Going over the backside of wallrides is pretty fucking common. Should take that into consideration when building. Also the wallride in the pictures is aframed which points to it being intended to be able to go up and over versus a wallride with an open back.


There was a post above where somebody said that people weren't ganging up on OP. LOL. People need to chill out, smoke a bowl and use their brains a little bit.

theabortionatorHow that makes him sue happy for wanting him replace idk(it doesn't you're just being fucking retarded).

first when i said 'entitled sue-happy shitheads' i was referring to entitled sue happy shitheads and not necessarily sleeves. i was explaining my bias.

but i stand by my point that he skied by a sign that almost word-for-word warned him of this possibility, told him its his responsibilty to check, and he still wants to blame someone else.
its a plague in our culture.

i do work my ass off to pay for gear. if this happened to me i'd 1)scold myself for not scoping the wall(i know i fall off the back and always check if its safe). 2)tell park crew what happened so they can fix it. 3)go home and duct tape my jacket..it would never even cross my mind that it was anybody's fault but my own.

i'm very surprised to learn this attitude exists in park skiing. imo if we allow it we'll kill in-bounds freeskiing. back to the days of jump-and-get-your-pass-pulled.

KneeDropfirst when i said 'entitled sue-happy shitheads' i was referring to entitled sue happy shitheads and not necessarily sleeves. i was explaining my bias.

but i stand by my point that he skied by a sign that almost word-for-word warned him of this possibility, told him its his responsibilty to check, and he still wants to blame someone else.
its a plague in our culture.

i do work my ass off to pay for gear. if this happened to me i'd 1)scold myself for not scoping the wall(i know i fall off the back and always check if its safe). 2)tell park crew what happened so they can fix it. 3)go home and duct tape my jacket..it would never even cross my mind that it was anybody's fault but my own.

i'm very surprised to learn this attitude exists in park skiing. imo if we allow it we'll kill in-bounds freeskiing. back to the days of jump-and-get-your-pass-pulled.

As far as sleeves, who knows what even happened, I'm just replying to the situation as stated. I build parks and if i left a big stake in the landing zone of a feature I wouldn't be surprised if somebody got pissed about it.

You people are full of shit. At least the majority of people saying "he should have looked and this is 100% his fault" would be bitching as well if it happened to them.

this thread should probably be closed. we have come the conclusion that if op's story is correct its the resorts fault and a new jacket is fair enough. leaving it open is just going to annoy me because 95% of the people commenting are just spurting out shit.


if op's story is correct, and there was a stake sitting out like that, and it wasnt just a ripped jacket, someone got impaled, can you imagine the fucking uproar... i can imagine the threads now "KID NEARLY DIED BECAUE PARK CREW LEFT A STAKE ON THE LANDING. RESORT CLAIMS NO RESPONSIBILITY,

Seriously.


Ive been around here for a few years, and lurked even longer. i've known that NS is full of uneducated, small minded fucks, but its never been so apparent than in this thread. in saying that, there are a lot of cool people with a lot of legit content which is what i suppose brings me, and all of you back.


get over it, op is in the clear.

Be careful commenting in this thread op and pow_pow may try and sue you.

onLINEBe careful commenting in this thread op and pow_pow may try and sue you.

SHOTS FIRED!

I bet he's going to cry all of lunch/recess now. Epic dis!

theabortionatorSHOTS FIRED!

I bet he's going to cry all of lunch/recess now. Epic dis!

Man it wasn't a dis, it was warning.

Prepare your anus for a raping from op's and pow_pow's lawyers.

onLINEBe careful commenting in this thread op and pow_pow may try and sue you.

pow_pow~we have come the conclusion that if op's story is correct its the resorts fault and a new jacket is fair enough. leaving it open is just going to annoy me

pow_pow~i've known that NS is full of uneducated, small minded fucks, but its never been so apparent than in this thread

wow to the arrogance. if 'we' had come to that conclusion this thread would die. being unreasonable and insulting sure isnt getting anywhere.

with as much info as we have, there are definitely ways the resorrt could be free and clear..but you wont hear that..

my main point is that by his own statement, the metal melted out. coulda just happened. can we as park skiers really expect a no-budget no-support park staff OF TWO, to notice every little danger of an ever changing feature? thats why you scope features. we can all be on the safety team.
allowing shit like this will kill our beloved sport..

i bet you and op are the kind of people who march into crosswalks with your head down because, 'if someone hits me its their fault'

KneeDropwow to the arrogance. if 'we' had come to that conclusion this thread would die. being unreasonable and insulting sure isnt getting anywhere.

with as much info as we have, there are definitely ways the resorrt could be free and clear..but you wont hear that..

my main point is that by his own statement, the metal melted out. coulda just happened. can we as park skiers really expect a no-budget no-support park staff OF TWO, to notice every little danger of an ever changing feature? thats why you scope features. we can all be on the safety team.
allowing shit like this will kill our beloved sport..

i bet you and op are the kind of people who march into crosswalks with your head down because, 'if someone hits me its their fault'

You're wrong. their are proportions to reasonable danger and how the run may change. overshooting a jump because the staff re-did it the night before? Your fault. Clipping a rail because the lip melted down? Your fault. Landing on a metal stake? Complete negligence on the mountains part.

KneeDropwow to the arrogance. if 'we' had come to that conclusion this thread would die. being unreasonable and insulting sure isnt getting anywhere.

with as much info as we have, there are definitely ways the resorrt could be free and clear..but you wont hear that..

my main point is that by his own statement, the metal melted out. coulda just happened. can we as park skiers really expect a no-budget no-support park staff OF TWO, to notice every little danger of an ever changing feature? thats why you scope features. we can all be on the safety team.
allowing shit like this will kill our beloved sport..

i bet you and op are the kind of people who march into crosswalks with your head down because, 'if someone hits me its their fault'

A park staff of two is plenty assuming all the parks are located in the same area. If the stake wasn't being ridden over (since that side wasn't meant for that) it would have slowly melted out and an observant park crew could have spotted it.
We usually have 2-3 people working a shift and if its sunny and warm you keep an eye on the features that may have problems and need fixed.

yes, its been established that park crew should have noticed, but didnt.
its also been established that sleeves should have scoped, but didnt.

you are all missing the point though...if we allow the resort to be blamed for shit like this(a torn jacket and a bruise) we will lose our terrain parks and likely our right to be freeskiers in-bounds..

i do not want to continue this discussion. it makes me sad for skiing and skiings future

ill leave you with my story:
last season, i was the third person to break their back on the SAME JUMP in december. as i tried to ski away park crew told me the jump indeed was flawed. talk about admitting guilt. they reshaped that night, i believe.
but i understood my place/my decisions/my mistakes that led to the outcome. was the mountain at least partly at fault? sure. but do they owe me anything? fuck no

KneeDropyes, its been established that park crew should have noticed, but didnt.
its also been established that sleeves should have scoped, but didnt.

you are all missing the point though...if we allow the resort to be blamed for shit like this(a torn jacket and a bruise) we will lose our terrain parks and likely our right to be freeskiers in-bounds..

i do not want to continue this discussion. it makes me sad for skiing and skiings future

The point is, that you and several other people in this thread don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

"if we allow the resort to be blamed for shit like this(a torn jacket and a bruise) we will lose our terrain parks and likely our right to be freeskiers in-bounds"

Drama queen alert, alert, alert.

Oh god no! If the resort has to replace a jacket the their won't be any budget left and by next season all the parks will have shut down. When the parks close there will be less people buying booze and the bars will close down. When the bars close mom and dad will have no where to drink their problems away while joey skis and they're stop coming. When families stop coming the mountains will close. When the mountains close there will be less water pumped into snowmaking causing a rise in the water level. That rise in the water level will eventually spread to the oceans. When the oceans rise, there will be room for more boats closer to shore. When there are more boats there will be more pollution. When the pollution in the water increases the dolphins will start to become sick. When the dolphins become sick there will be no more friendly fins in the lineup and the sharks will invade everywhere. When the sharks invade they'll start eating people. When the sharks start eating people, the family that brought little joey to the beach while they drank their lives away will lose little joey to the powerful grip of a great white shark. When little joey get's eaten by the shark, the parents will morn for a few minutes, not back some cocktails, and then sue. When they take the shark to court the defense will point out that the shark isn't liable but the boats are for getting rid of the dolphins. When they take the boats to court the defense will point out that it wasn't the boats fault but the water. When they finally find a judge who will hear a case against a bottle of water, the defense will mention that it wasn't the waters fault but in fact the mountain. This case will go all the way to the supreme court, take several years, spawn several movies, and eventual bankrupt the mountains that already closed down as well as ruining the reputation of all skiing to the point where joeys parents and others will lobby congress to pass a law banning skiing country wide. When this happens, skiing will go underground to the point where it only exists on turf setups tucked away in the dimly lit basements of the industrial districts. There will be a task force designated to finding and arresting anyone selling, transporting, or manufacturing skis. Possession of a ski press will now be considered a felony. A full turf setup could net you life in prison. By this point the president has declared that the war on skiing is more important than the war on drugs. Campaigns are started in schools telling kids the dangers of skiing, and to report anyone they encounter who might be involved in the sport. Ski videos are burned in mass bonfires whenever they're found. The homes of those harboring these illicit films risk their houses being seized and burned as well. Withing 10 years skiing will have gone from a thriving industry full of fun, to a tired rebellious activity, barely clinging to life in the seedy parts of society.

All of this for a fucking jacket? Jesus fucking christ OP. How fucking greedy did you have to be? You ruined skiing for everyone. I hope you're fucking happy you fucking fuck fucker!

and there i thought you were the reasonable one here.
kids just think parks always were and always will be...

KneeDropand there i thought you were the reasonable one here.
kids just think parks always were and always will be...

why are you referring to us as kids? we've clearly stated our years of experience with one dude having 10 years park crew. we know what it takes to get parks to where they are now.

one jacket isnt going to crush the resorts budget for the year. but park crew getting into bad habits of leaving dangerous features to be ridden by the public, and the ensuing massive compensation lawsuits if someone were to be serously injured, will.

im not even american, and to be honest i hate the norm that if you fuck up, you sue. but this isnt the case. im at an absolute loss for words that you guys cannot see how dangerous a metal stake in an landing impact area (whether its meant to be hit like that or not, doesnt matter, people will come off and it has to be planned accordingly) could be. especially one that looks to be a under a drop thats about 3 metres. thats fucked.

at any of the resorts ive worked at, if a member of the public came and reported that they even slightly injured themselves in the same situation as op's, someone from park crew would probably get the sack instantly, or be very close to it. i am completely astonished at the resorts response to this incident. if i got my jacket ripped like this and they responded like that, i would tell them to get fucked and go over their heads to make sure something happened. you guys have obviously not worked for somewhere like this that has a certain area liability, but basically, peoples lives are in your hand, and you need to act accordingly, and this manager certainly didnt.

look before you leap

pow_pow~why are you referring to us as kids?

because of the way you're acting. if you cant see my point i dont even know what to say. its not about his jacket. its not really even about sleeves.
we can work WITH park crew to ensure safety. ya, we want perfect features but we can cut them some slack if its not. they already have to deal with joeys not thinkin, we can at least TRY to look out for ourselves(and park crew). they made a mistake, but all-in-all, they and sleeves got off pretty lucky.
its also about taking responsability for your part. i still think sleeves is most to blame for this particular accident(not legally, but from a general cause-and-effect/prevention standpoint)..and he wont learn anything if he truly believes it 'wasnt his fault'..

im talking about being a decent human being, and not contributing to our 'blame culture'. why is it that hard to grasp?

KneeDropbecause of the way you're acting. if you cant see my point i dont even know what to say. its not about his jacket. its not really even about sleeves.
we can work WITH park crew to ensure safety. ya, we want perfect features but we can cut them some slack if its not. they already have to deal with joeys not thinkin, we can at least TRY to look out for ourselves(and park crew). they made a mistake, but all-in-all, they and sleeves got off pretty lucky.
its also about taking responsability for your part. i still think sleeves is most to blame for this particular accident(not legally, but from a general cause-and-effect/prevention standpoint)..and he wont learn anything if he truly believes it 'wasnt his fault'..

im talking about being a decent human being, and not contributing to our 'blame culture'. why is it that hard to grasp?

You are stupid, it's like when driving you can expect there to be some icy spots, but a gaping hole in the road is unacceptable. Stop trying to make this a slippery slope argument.

Yeah, it seems like you would probably win a negligence case against the resort assuming that everything you told us is true and you are not some reckless asshole. However, the problem comes down to damages. You didn't get very messed up and legal representation is expensive. If you sent a letter to the resort they would probably give you some money and a new jacket to just end any potential of you suing but here is the other side. It sounds like your resort doesn't have the best park or very competent park staff. If you sue or hassle them it will either make them spend more on their park or it will make them tear out any features that could potentially be dangerous. Chose wisely, OP.

basically every injury is the hills fault its a science I don't really feel like getting into it right now, but since its not my fault when I get injured cas im the best skier out there, so its gotta be the moutains fault cas its not my fault so who others fault could it be every time. THE MOUNTAINS

This thread has taken such a pleasant turn

My view on this has already been stated by many others (hill messed up) so I wont get into all that.


OP, I hope you get a new jacket. Thanks for calling out the resort, and bringing it to their attention that something was seriously wrong with that feature. Running a park is a very big thing, from a legal standpoint yes, and also from the fact that if the hill and their staff mess something up, cut corners or are lazy, they could literally kill someone as a result. That may sound just like legal stuff again, but I'm referring to the fact a human being could possibly be gone because the hill doesn't do what they know is right in building features. Its the difference between uncontrolled accidents, negligence, and gross negligence. Accidents can still happen, but if you take on the responsibility of building something, you need to build it properly with trained staff doing the work for a reason.

BrokenBonesYeah, it seems like you would probably win a negligence case against the resort assuming that everything you told us is true and you are not some reckless asshole. However, the problem comes down to damages. You didn't get very messed up and legal representation is expensive. If you sent a letter to the resort they would probably give you some money and a new jacket to just end any potential of you suing but here is the other side. It sounds like your resort doesn't have the best park or very competent park staff. If you sue or hassle them it will either make them spend more on their park or it will make them tear out any features that could potentially be dangerous. Chose wisely, OP.

i agree with what you are saying, but op isnt suing for a jacket, obviously that would be a waste of time. threatening to sue, when damages/compensation is minimal, is often a more successful route. going above the managers head to someone from their legal department would almost guarantee op with a new jacket.


if he was to file a suite, you could potentially get a fair bit in damages, and have your legal fee's covered. but resorts will never take that risk and 98% of the time are more than happy to settle for a smaller amount, in this case being a jacket.

BrokenBonesIf you sent a letter to the resort they would probably give you some money and a new jacket to just end any potential of you suing

sorry i missed this sentence, disregard my last post.

Wow, this has become a hell of a grudge match. The first page was alright in terms of opinions, but then in came the logical fallacy and fucked everything up.



Jeez when will you guys learn that "op you're a douche, therefore your argument is stupid" doesn't actually make sense lol.



PS theabortionator is correct under these circumstances, there isn't really anything else to discuss so please quit the bitching