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miroz
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My girlfriend (studying genetics) brought it to my attention that some parents are now trying to prevent the vaccination of their babies/kids. I was under the impression that everyone got vaccinated as a standard procedure, whether you wanted to or not. Apparently, people have a choice. I don't have any papers and I haven't read any articles (although a quick Google search of "not vaccinating your child" brings up plenty of responses, none of which look official or reputable and all of which feel strongly one way or the other).

I'm wondering what NS thinks: should parents be required (by law, the government, etc) to vaccinate their children for the common communicable diseases for which we have vaccines? Keep in mind kids go to daycare/school/playgrounds with other kids, go to the same hospitals you do, and shop at the same grocery stores and Walmarts that you do.

I currently have my own stance, but I'll withhold that for now in the interest of discussion.
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Feb 13 2015 3:40PM
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soHarsh
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So I am for vaccines and every research I have read has pointed to them being positive for society and individuals. There was that one paper that came out that stated vaccines cause autism, however the authors had messed with the results to show a correlation between vaccines and autism. I think you cross a dangerous line when you start forcing people to start taking vaccines or any other substances. I get my booster shots and the flu vaccine every year I have to however I don't think we should force individuals to get vaccine shots. If a family/individual doesn't get a vaccine shot they should be restricted from entering certain areas in public. THe reasoning behind this is that without the vaccine you are putting other individuals lives and health at risk. Just because someone didn't get their vaccine shot doesn't mean that I should getting punished ( in the sense of contracting said disease). At the hospital I volunteer at if you don't have the flu shot you aren't able to volunteer for the duration of the flu season since you are putting other people's health at risk.
Feb 13 2015 3:50PM
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Parents ABSOLUTELY should vaccinate their kids. The kids who cannot be vaccinated (brand new babies who are too young [cannot get the MMR vaccine until after one year of age], the sick who cannot get vaccines) rely on their community to protect them. I think that schools and pediatric offices should deny children who are not vaccinated. If you do not want to vaccinate your child, then you can keep them home where they cannot spread deadly diseases to those who cannot yet be protected from them. Measles was eradicated from the US. And now its back bc of those who chose not to vaccinate. If it is that your choice, then fine. But do NOT put OTHER children at risk because somehow you feel your child is more special than others.
Feb 13 2015 4:20PM
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jibbpeter
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Well, there's certain individuals who spread fear against vaccines pretty hard. I think your decision should be based on studies and hard facts and not emotions.
Every(mostly) parent care deeply for their kids and if there's the slightest chance that the vaccine could harm their child, they would get second thoughts.
But if you look at the facts, there are a large number of diseases that's gone because of vaccines.

In my personally opinion i don't think that all vaccines are good. For example the swine flu thing that scared a lot of people, and resulted in mass vaccination. It was shady as fuck since a lot of people got sicker from it and some even died. This vaccine was rushed and had little documentation on it's effects and side effects and authorities + professionals said it was safe.
This got out (ofc) and resulted in a huge loss of money for certain authorities.

Anyhow it seems that making cash is the top priority, even in medicine and health.
I just hate how this world work sometimes.
Feb 13 2015 4:29PM
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JGWI
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People don't understand how dangerous some pathological diseases are. I don't only disapprove of people who choose not to vaccinate their children, I think they are downright moronic. There is so much research that supports the use of vaccines that this shouldn't even be a debate. While forcing people to get vaccines is wrong I feel there needs to be more of an incentive for parents to get their children up-to-date.
Feb 13 2015 4:33PM
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messplay
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It's not really up for discussion. There are such slim amounts of people that don't vaccinate. Like 1/100,000. Why risk the health of your child for the sake of gauging the effects on their life by living "vaccine free" like they do anything to the child but make them immune to said disease. Oh yeah, let's see how are kid acts at age 20 by going their whole life without shots and immunizations because who knows, maybe he might get autism and develop psychological effects from the chemicals!!

It's seriously laughed at.
Feb 13 2015 4:45PM
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messplay
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^ To add, children that are not vaccinated should not be allowed to attend public school, fly on planes, enter public transit, and be identified with some sort of bracelet or visible necklace like the MediAlert bracelet for those allergic to certain meds..ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THESE CHILDREN WON'T EVER NEED ONE OF THOSE HUH? HAHAHAHA
Feb 13 2015 4:47PM
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Dobber
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I don't even care. If I get sick, I'm not going to blame it on people who don't get vaccines.
Feb 13 2015 4:53PM
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AT-AT
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I have done probably days of research on the subject. If you start going beyond CDC pamphlet research, you start to find some odd things. I will not say that vaccines are useless and I will not say that all are unsafe, but if you look at the facts and not what the CDC prevents as facts, you start to ask questions.
Feb 13 2015 4:55PM
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skier_boy26
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JustGoWithItPeople don't understand how dangerous some pathological diseases are. I don't only disapprove of people who choose not to vaccinate their children, I think they are downright moronic. There is so much research that supports the use of vaccines that this shouldn't even be a debate. While forcing people to get vaccines is wrong I feel there needs to be more of an incentive for parents to get their children up-to-date.


This is my take as well. Most diseases that we routinely vaccinate for are horrid, but they're no longer commonplace, and haven't been for generations, so they simply become words. Consequently, you get some paranoid helicopter mom who's strictly in to the organic and freaks out over vaccinations not realizing there is a bloody reason the vaccine was made in the first place. That, or they think there is some mind control serum at play...

Anyway, many of the biggies that we get vaccinated for are no joke. Many of these diseases were plenty efficacious at wiping out millions of people or large swaths of different populations. If parents aren't getting their kids vaccinated, that's pretty damn irresponsible.
Feb 13 2015 4:57PM
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AT-AT
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skier_boy26This is my take as well. Most diseases that we routinely vaccinate for are horrid, but they're no longer commonplace, and haven't been for generations, so they simply become words. Consequently, you get some paranoid helicopter mom who's strictly in to the organic and freaks out over vaccinations not realizing there is a bloody reason the vaccine was made in the first place. That, or they think there is some mind control serum at play...

Anyway, many of the biggies that we get vaccinated for are no joke. Many of these diseases were plenty efficacious at wiping out millions of people or large swaths of different populations. If parents aren't getting their kids vaccinated, that's pretty damn irresponsible.


But was it because of the vaccine?



if you don't believe the graph ,its pdf page 93 or document page 85 in here, right off the CDCs website.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf
Feb 13 2015 5:03PM
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I was under the impression that shot and vaccination records were required to attend any public school or university, or at least they have been with my time through education.

On another note, the ass-hat Doctor (Dr. Andrew Wakefield) who was the dude that scared people into believing that vaccines could cause autism, lost his license to practice medicine for dishonesty and irresponsibility for lying about figures and not backing up his claims. But that won't stop the hordes of retards from justifying not vaccinating their kids.

here's that article btw
http://healthland.time.com/2010/05/24/doctor-behind-vaccine-autism-link-loses-license/
Feb 13 2015 5:13PM
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AT-AT
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He is not the only one who might be lying about the product.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/merck-whistleblowers_b_5881914.html
Feb 13 2015 5:16PM
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Holzsteezy*
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I was watching a video in my current events class on this topic. one woman said "being sick really isn't that bad, I mean it's what makes us stronger." WTF how ignorant can you be to say stupid shit like that??? oh yeah getting fucking polioo isn't really that bad. its stupid. the percent of kids that get autism from a vaccination is way lower than 1%. would you rather take a chance of you kid dying from some horrible disease, or get a crazy chance of your kid getting autism that is very unlikely.........
Feb 13 2015 5:20PM
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JGWI
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AT-ATBut was it because of the vaccine?



if you don't believe the graph ,its pdf page 93 or document page 85 in here, right off the CDCs website.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf

That is rather odd that it was dropping so sharply before vaccine was introduced. I wish I was a ID specialist to explain, but unfortunately i'm not and my knowledge is limited.
Feb 13 2015 5:22PM
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Phil-X-
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schools of thought


-lots of really fucked up things that can be prevented
-also not many of these really fucked up things around commonly
-vaccinations are a multi-billion dollar industry and can profit from fear mongers/shills
-Not many actual reasons to not vaccinate kids

-People who say "I don't want my kid around kids who arrent vaccinated!!"

BITCH AINT YOUR SHIT VACCINATED? you trusted the fucking doctor and are a smart ass bitch about it but fail to back up your trust in that action.



In the public school system, people worry more about picking up Polio then the drug addictions and suboptimal education theyre getting
Feb 13 2015 5:24PM
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JustGoWithItThat is rather odd that it was dropping so sharply before vaccine was introduced. I wish I was a ID specialist to explain, but unfortunately i'm not and my knowledge is limited.


the y axis of the graph is in the 100,000's by twos. so halfway up one tick is still 100,000. The line where it is is before the measles vaccine being introduced is still within the 20,000 to 10,000 range which is still considered an epidemic by modern standards (people lost their shit over ebola mind you).
Feb 13 2015 5:27PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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People who refuse to vaccinate their kids disgust me.

One of my most disliked facebook 'science' pages (IFLS) has posted this article multiple times, and there really isn't any reason I or anyone else should type anything in it out again.

Another idea I'll quickly dispose of is the idea that vaccines exist purely to make money for pharmaceutical companies. While big pharma is the embodiment of evil (for far more boring reasons than conspiracy whacko's think), they stand to gain much more from drugs for treating diseases than providing a $10 vaccine. A study published in the journal BMC public health found the average cost of treating measles patients to range between $254 and $307, while the costs of treating the repercussions of vaccine side effects cost between $1.43 and $1.93.

Clearly the winners from the current Measles outbreak are the pharma companies.

An excellent read for anyone interested in the shambolic state of the pharmaceutical industry is Ben Goldacre's Bad Pharma (Amazon US, Book Depository).

A final word, and this goes for any time science is picked up by the media: think for yourself, but don't assume that google makes you an expert. Unless you have a degree in a subject, you know nothing. Also think about the sources, is that graph you just posted (AT-AT I'm looking at you) from a website devoted to 'Natural Healthcare'? This skill of how to evaluate what you read is the biggest thing that is disregarded in education, it is much more important than memorising facts.
Feb 13 2015 5:45PM
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skier_boy26
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AT-ATBut was it because of the vaccine?



if you don't believe the graph ,its pdf page 93 or document page 85 in here, right off the CDCs website.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf


Hmmm, I don't know, maybe the standard and quality of living in the United States drastically increased in the 20th century? IF you look at most developed countries, measles (for instance) had similar declines even before the vaccine was developed. Eating better and not being in densely packed cities with shit flowing down the streets goes a long way.

That said, even during most of that decline, those mortality rates would be, in the modern era, would be considered a pandemic. Imagine the news coverage if that was happening domestically today?

Funny, though, that after the introduction of the vaccine the mortality rate drops to a near statistical zero with no spikes... Must be unrelated.
Feb 13 2015 5:46PM
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messplay
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And the Measles outbreak here in Disneyland and then recently thousands were exposed to it in San Francisco when an infected individual traveled on the public transportation system (BART) for 3 days until diagnosed..
Feb 13 2015 5:47PM
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AT-ATI have done probably days of research on the subject. If you start going beyond CDC pamphlet research, you start to find some odd things. I will not say that vaccines are useless and I will not say that all are unsafe, but if you look at the facts and not what the CDC prevents as facts, you start to ask questions.


and here we go ladies and gentleman, from your days of scientific research you find odd things? waiting for milk man to say a response about how is parents don't like vaccines either. If you want to get your medical advice from Jenny McCartney please do and stay out of this thread. the dangers from vaccine are one in millions. it's much safer to have everybody vaccinated then have that one out of a million thing that can go wrong, and spread of disease.

Just look at the third world country children who dont get vaccinated. Then get sick, but no odd things were found in them so we should now second guess vaccines. what was the point of this idiotic post?
Feb 13 2015 6:37PM
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MACAQUE
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Humpsthe y axis of the graph is in the 100,000's by twos. so halfway up one tick is still 100,000. The line where it is is before the measles vaccine being introduced is still within the 20,000 to 10,000 range which is still considered an epidemic by modern standards (people lost their shit over ebola mind you).


It's the number of deaths PER 100,000 deaths that were caused by measles on the y-axis. Not how many deaths total...
Feb 13 2015 7:22PM
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.Hugo.
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are you not required to be vaccinated before you go to school? im pretty sure we were when i was going to school
Feb 13 2015 7:26PM
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JGWI
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.Hugo.are you not required to be vaccinated before you go to school? im pretty sure we were when i was going to school


http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exemption-state-laws.aspx
Feb 13 2015 7:47PM
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El_Barto.
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.Hugo.are you not required to be vaccinated before you go to school? im pretty sure we were when i was going to school


This is what i was thinking. And it looks like the bro above posted a way around it.

I wouldnt make not vaccinizing your kids illegal. I would just require it for public school with no exceptions
Feb 13 2015 7:52PM
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El_Barto.This is what i was thinking. And it looks like the bro above posted a way around it.

I wouldnt make not vaccinizing your kids illegal. I would just require it for public school with no exceptions


I believe that was the idea, until people started using religion and other stuff as an excuse and when you say that nobody can stop you really since that'd be discriminating.

Your really should save the exceptions for people that have an issue with the vaccine itself, like an alergy or some other adverse reaction.

I'm a research scientist and I hear a lot of shit from both sides. There was a good article in whatever issue of Nature I most recently reading. I'm sure you can't read it if you're not subscribed though.
Feb 13 2015 7:59PM
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El_Barto.
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a_pla5tic_bagI believe that was the idea, until people started using religion and other stuff as an excuse and when you say that nobody can stop you really since that'd be discriminating.

Your really should save the exceptions for people that have an issue with the vaccine itself, like an alergy or some other adverse reaction.

I'm a research scientist and I hear a lot of shit from both sides. There was a good article in whatever issue of Nature I most recently reading. I'm sure you can't read it if you're not subscribed though.


i bet nature is in ebscohost or dynamed for any students to read.
Feb 13 2015 8:07PM
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El_Barto.i bet nature is in ebscohost or dynamed for any students to read.


Oh yeah, I forgot about that. if you're at a university I bet you can get it. I believe it was this.

http://www.nature.com/nature/outlook/vaccines/

I left the physical copy of the journal at the lab.
Feb 13 2015 8:42PM
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Caucasian_Asian
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Vaccines are like seatbelts. Are they perfect? No. But they've the best defense.
Feb 13 2015 8:54PM
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Caucasian_Asian
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Vaccines are like seatbelts. Are they perfect? No. But they've the best defense.
Feb 13 2015 8:54PM
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choosing not to take a life saving 20$ vaccine is the most first world thing you can do.
Feb 13 2015 8:55PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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someone please explain to me why you give a shit if other people don't vaccinate themselves/their children. if you've been vaccinated, then what the fuck do you have to worry about? isn't that the whole point of a vaccine?
Feb 13 2015 8:57PM
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El_Barto.
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Barefootin_Fiendsomeone please explain to me why you give a shit if other people don't vaccinate themselves/their children. if you've been vaccinated, then what the fuck do you have to worry about? isn't that the whole point of a vaccine?


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/04/unvaccinated-people-measles/22864869/

Read this. Vaccines arent perfect. It says something like 3% of people who get the measels vaccine will still get the virus. So 1 infected person will spread it to 3 out of every 100 people. 3% of the total polulation seems like a lot when it could most likely be avoided if everyone was vaccinated
Feb 13 2015 9:07PM
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corona
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AT-ATBut was it because of the vaccine?



if you don't believe the graph ,its pdf page 93 or document page 85 in here, right off the CDCs website.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf


Your graph shows the death rate, not the infection rate. As medicine got far better over the first half of the 20th century practically all diseases would have their mortality rate drop on first world nations.

Find a graph showing the infection rate. I'm sure measles rates were still dropping as medicine improved, but there's probably quite the dramatic drop after the vaccine.
Feb 13 2015 9:17PM
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*DUMBCAN*
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AT-ATBut was it because of the vaccine?



if you don't believe the graph ,its pdf page 93 or document page 85 in here, right off the CDCs website.


Ok, just because I feel like coming back for seconds on your opinion.

I'm also going to reinforce my own point, that I will continue to push at any available opportunity: people need to learn to critical think properly.

Are there any other factors that could have contributed to a sharp decrease in deaths from measles? Why of course there are. We could have made a breakthrough in our understanding of the disease that enables us to both treat it better, reducing the death rate, and produce a vaccine, reducing the infection rate.

Therefore, looking at death rates is a really bad way of judging the efficacy of a treatment. It's far better to look at cases:

[source: public domain]

Oh, there you go.

There are two key formatting errors in your graph that tell me this is the work of amateurs: the y-axis title, there is a comma used to break up 100,000, SI units dictate a space should be used if anything; also the legend points to the green line as 'Measles', this is unnecessary. Sure enough it is, the article that accompanies this particular graph is written by one Roman Bystrianyk, a quack who's opinion is even disregarded by conspiracy theorists. Her writing relies on rhetoric rather than conclusion, however there is a larger fallacy hidden here.

I mentioned earlier that it would be more beneficial to read the case count than the mortality rate, but first I shall readdress the mortality rate. Quoted in deaths per 100 000, it seems like we've solved measles. This is more likely because during the 50s and 60s we made massive leaps forward in our ability to treat people without killing them. Diseases like this don't go away all of a sudden, except SARS (which isn't like this anyway). But just because a disease doesn't kill people doesn't mean we shouldn't create a vaccine. It's much cheaper to vaccinate than to treat the illness.

With all that said, my biggest concern is the herd immunity. There are people who, for whatever reason, have compromised immune systems and need the herd. If you do not get vaccinated, you are putting herd immunity at risk and you are putting other peoples lives at risk. That is fucking disgusting.
Feb 13 2015 9:22PM
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Barefootin_Fiendsomeone please explain to me why you give a shit if other people don't vaccinate themselves/their children. if you've been vaccinated, then what the fuck do you have to worry about? isn't that the whole point of a vaccine?


I think a lot of people, me included, find the reasons people refuse to be really stupid and uneducated. Somebody reads that they cause autism on the internet (where all things are true, obviously) and then refuses at their next doctor visit. Or they don't want somebody telling them what to do, so they refuse just on those grounds.

My opinion: there's loads of scientific data showing how these things are quite safe. Not all scientists are allied with big pharma trying to sell you crap or whatever people believe. If they were unsafe you'd see a proper scientific publication about it, not an article on buzzfeed.

People shouldn't need the government to tell them to immunize themselves against polio or measles or some other crazy disease, either. I like to believe society is logical and reasonable, but I know that's naive.
I wonder how the parents of these little kids who got measles or whatever at disney are going to explain why they're so sick. The kids have to deal with measles because the parents made a decision the kid likely had no choice in, or even understood what the choice was. Sorry Billy, you're sick because mommy read vaccines are bad on facebook and didn't get you vaccinated.
Feb 13 2015 9:35PM
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Barefootin_Fiendsomeone please explain to me why you give a shit if other people don't vaccinate themselves/their children. if you've been vaccinated, then what the fuck do you have to worry about? isn't that the whole point of a vaccine?


if you're a hundred percent healthy, it probally won't effect you much but people with other autoimmune conditions or other medical complications, can die very easily.
Feb 13 2015 9:36PM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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zzzskizzzif you're a hundred percent healthy, it probally won't effect you much but people with other autoimmune conditions or other medical complications, can die very easily.


so i should be forced to put something in my body because someone else is a bubble boy?

and i'll clarify, i'm not anti-vaccine. i'm very anti the government telling me what goes in to my body.
Feb 13 2015 11:12PM
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theabortionator
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My friends brother, not sure what he had but he had a bad reaction to vaccines and it fucked him up bad. He could ride his own bike, could only tandem with his dad, talked really slow, etc. Cool kid though.

I'm not a fan of the government mandating vaccines.

The hysteria that's been blowing up the last year or so is insane. Zomg somebody didn't vaccinate their kids we're all gonna die. Not like you can't sometimes get things from the vaccine and not like the people bitching haven't been vaccinated.

I haven't really stayed in the loop on everything but I hate seeing people all riled up on facebook over this.

YOLO bitches
Feb 13 2015 11:12PM
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Slush
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Wowee look at this

Newschoolers, involved in an intelligent thought provoking debate with real live sources an everything!
Feb 14 2015 12:24AM
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deleted5
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Barefootin_Fiendso i should be forced to put something in my body because someone else is a bubble boy?

and i'll clarify, i'm not anti-vaccine. i'm very anti the government telling me what goes in to my body.


Cool leave and go live in Africa, no government heath codes over there. And it's not just a bubble boy healthy people can get it too.
Feb 14 2015 12:56AM
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Barefootin_Fiendso i should be forced to put something in my body because someone else is a bubble boy?

and i'll clarify, i'm not anti-vaccine. i'm very anti the government telling me what goes in to my body.


it is however a public safety issue. there's a line to be drawn in terms of being free to do whatever you want and a government intervening in events that would prove harmful for its citizens. uneducated people not vaccinating their children from debilitating medical conditions that should remain eradicated from any first world population is such an event.

all this trendy anti-vaccine hooha in conjunction with concentrated outbreaks of these diseases affecting innocent people and their children should be sufficient evidence that we likely need to move in the direction of requiring vaccination.

obviously there more difficult questions to answer to more specifically outline legislation. they involve and relate factors like who are more susceptible groups to certain diseases, which are most infectious, which have higher consequences, and so on. as much as you or anyone else disliking the government telling you what to do, it is their job to ensure the safety of its citizens. otherwise, why have any rule of law to begin with?
Feb 14 2015 1:25AM
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Anathema
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people who don't vaccinate are fucking retards. end of story.
Feb 14 2015 3:28AM
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snowdon
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To be perfectly honest whenever I hear someone is an anti-vaxxer there's a tiny little part of me kind of wants their kid to die of a vaccine-preventable disease. I know that's terrible...don't care. I didn't invent natural selection.
Feb 14 2015 5:43AM
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Barefootin_Fiend
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zzzskizzzCool leave and go live in Africa, no government heath codes over there. And it's not just a bubble boy healthy people can get it too.


I don't need to go to Africa. I live in a country with established personal freedom. why dont you move to china if you want the government to control the population in the name of public safety?

if we're allowing the government to control our bodies we should probably ban abortions too. You know, to protect the unborn children.
Feb 14 2015 9:33AM
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Barefootin_Fiendso i should be forced to put something in my body because someone else is a bubble boy?

and i'll clarify, i'm not anti-vaccine. i'm very anti the government telling me what goes in to my body.


Herd immunity
Feb 14 2015 9:54AM
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Barefootin_Fiendsomeone please explain to me why you give a shit if other people don't vaccinate themselves/their children. if you've been vaccinated, then what the fuck do you have to worry about? isn't that the whole point of a vaccine?


no not really, and here is why, but first let me say the chances of getting autisim are slim to shit.


my issue with parents who don't vaccinate their kids is that yes, a few age groups may not be at risk, but very young children and older people who have a week immunity system are getting put at risk for someone else heavily misinformed decision
Feb 14 2015 10:15AM
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.Rybak.
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You are being an asshole if you won't give your kid a vaccination.
Feb 14 2015 10:38AM
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goat00
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DO IT ITS SCIENCE!!!! oh, well so was heroin for coughs, lobotomies for behaviorial disorders, and lead used to be good for you. just cuz its !!SCIENCE!!! as everyone says ("wow you dont believe in SCIENCE!?!?!") doesnt make it correct or good. it seems like a code word people use now to further their argumanet without really doing so... from the comments, few of you have actually done any research. just pulling up graphs while the other guy pulls his. there IS in fact an under the radar vaccine court where you just straight up get cash if you kid dies from a vac. vaccine companies ARE in fact immune from any damages their produts cause, even though the FDA says they are perfectly safe. fact is, MMR vac has caused more deaths in the us than the disease. fact. "but the infection rate!!!...." yeah yeah, id rather get sick than die.

tl;dr, do what the man tells you. its for your own good.
Feb 14 2015 4:22PM
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deleted5
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goat00DO IT ITS SCIENCE!!!! oh, well so was heroin for coughs, lobotomies for behaviorial disorders, and lead used to be good for you. just cuz its !!SCIENCE!!! as everyone says ("wow you dont believe in SCIENCE!?!?!") doesnt make it correct or good. it seems like a code word people use now to further their argumanet without really doing so... from the comments, few of you have actually done any research. just pulling up graphs while the other guy pulls his. there IS in fact an under the radar vaccine court where you just straight up get cash if you kid dies from a vac. vaccine companies ARE in fact immune from any damages their produts cause, even though the FDA says they are perfectly safe. fact is, MMR vac has caused more deaths in the us than the disease. fact. "but the infection rate!!!...." yeah yeah, id rather get sick than die.

tl;dr, do what the man tells you. its for your own good.


There are medical complications but its very very people don't die from the disease anymore because the disease was eradicated from vaccines. This isn't a cold we're talking about, and you just instantly get better.
Feb 14 2015 4:26PM
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goat00
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^ what? prior to the measles vac, .000237% of people died from it.
now, after the almighty vaccine has ben around for more than 50 years the percentage is .00328%... we die more from measles now than we did before the vac.

http://vaxtruth.org/2012/01/measles-perspective/ just some numbers for ya.

more people die from diabetes a year (4.6 million) than from bad ol' measles (145,700) but nobodys bothering with putting things like this into perspective.
Feb 14 2015 5:19PM
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