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KravtZpretty big douche thing to stick on your car. Dont like Vail? dont ski there its simple. They are a large corporation and all about money just like any other company / mountain / person out there. Season pass apparently is still a hell of a deal. If you owned a mountain and could charge 159 a day why wouldnt you?
BlurstBecause its exploitative and makes our sport even more inaccessible to the average person than it already is.
The more people involved with skiing the better, not because "it'll bring more money to the industry mannnnn" but because everyone in the world should have the right to experience something as amazing as we have the privilege of experiencing on a daily, weekly or monthly basis.
BlurstBecause its exploitative and makes our sport even more inaccessible to the average person than it already is.
The more people involved with skiing the better, not because "it'll bring more money to the industry mannnnn" but because everyone in the world should have the right to experience something as amazing as we have the privilege of experiencing on a daily, weekly or monthly basis.
californiagrownYou dumb motherfucker, the epic pass program is the ONLY thing in skiing that makes skiing available to the general public. Where else can you get season passes that cheap?
But let me guess, you are a core local who got yelled at by a yellow jacket.
BlurstA $600 seasons pass does not make skiing anymore accessible to someone who has never done it before than a $150 lift ticket does. I'm talking people who have never even tried the sport before, people are not willing to shell out $600 for the potential of having a good experience. It certainly makes skiing many different mountains more accessible for someone who is already infatuated with snowsports, but in the end does that guy even want to go to ski Vail?
There is a ski hill that is five minutes from my house that costs $11 any day of the week. Wednesday nights its free for Women and Saturday nights its free for Men. That is accessibility for a ski hill, there are so many people who I see out there who would not be able to have fun skiing and snowboarding if it were not for one person who had an amazing idea of not exploiting the average person for the giant monetary benefit of a few who are involved with or own these massive resort conglomerations.
BlurstA $600 seasons pass does not make skiing anymore accessible to someone who has never done it before than a $150 lift ticket does. I'm talking people who have never even tried the sport before, people are not willing to shell out $600 for the potential of having a good experience. It certainly makes skiing many different mountains more accessible for someone who is already infatuated with snowsports, but in the end does that guy even want to go to ski Vail?
There is a ski hill that is five minutes from my house that costs $11 any day of the week. Wednesday nights its free for Women and Saturday nights its free for Men. That is accessibility for a ski hill, there are so many people who I see out there who would not be able to have fun skiing and snowboarding if it were not for one person who had an amazing idea of not exploiting the average person for the giant monetary benefit of a few who are involved with or own these massive resort conglomerations.
KyroChiHa, I would laugh at someone driving a car with that sticker on it.
BloomOuterwearI'm tired of hearing people bitch about Vail Resorts.
BloomOuterwearDon't like Vail? Then don't ski at any of their mountains. I dropped about $600 on an Epic Pass this year and guess what, I've skied Vail, Beaver Creek, Park City, Canyons, Breckenridge, Abasin, and Keystone. If anything, Vail Resorts has made skiing more terrain more accessible for me. I have no problem with that.
I would guess they have such a high ticket price to control the amount of people on the mountain. If the ticket price was low, there'd be a lot more people stealing your pow turns or cutting you off in the park, which I would doubt you would like either.
I'm tired of hearing people bitch about Vail Resorts.
KravtZpretty big douche thing to stick on your car. Dont like Vail? dont ski there its simple. They are a large corporation and all about money just like any other company / mountain / person out there. Season pass apparently is still a hell of a deal. If you owned a mountain and could charge 159 a day why wouldnt you?
BlurstBecause its exploitative and makes our sport even more inaccessible to the average person than it already is.
The more people involved with skiing the better, not because "it'll bring more money to the industry mannnnn" but because everyone in the world should have the right to experience something as amazing as we have the privilege of experiencing on a daily, weekly or monthly basis.
malonius_funkwhere do you live? how big is you ski hill? is it a non-profit?
you can't compare 1 ski hill with Vail Resorts. I admire the fact that you want skiing to be accessible to everyone--so do I--but I don't think you're really understanding this very well.
californiagrownHaha its $350 for a season pass to ALL the Vail owned resorts in Tahoe.
Skiing by its very nature has a high entry price: equipment and accessibility being the two biggest factors.
Taking a family of 4 beginners skiing for 1 day costs upwards of $400 even at a cheap hill. That's not remotely feasible for anyone in the lower middle class and below.
1 day does not allow people to get into the sport. A cheap seasons pass doesake it feasible.
You're just bitching because your spoiled ass cant afford to ski at a notoriously exclusive resort, but can afford it everywhere else.
BlurstWhat am I not understanding here?
Its no secret that there are people sitting at the top of Vail corp, or whatever the fuck its called, who are just raking in millions of dollars while they are laughing at the guys who are actually paying $160 for a day ticket and then not even thinking about the people they are leaving out of this sport that they claim they "love so much".
Like I stated before, I'm not trying to "get people into the sport" I just want people to be able to experience skiing for at least one day. Im not making an argument that Vail's high lift ticket prices are keeping consistent money out of the ski world, I'm just saying its bullshit they are charging that much for no other reason than profit.
And I'm not even going to address your last statement because its fucking stupid and you and I both know that.
BlurstWhat am I not understanding here?
Its no secret that there are people sitting at the top of Vail corp, or whatever the fuck its called, who are just raking in millions of dollars while they are laughing at the guys who are actually paying $160 for a day ticket and then not even thinking about the people they are leaving out of this sport that they claim they "love so much".
.Hugo.Its not like vail is the only resort with high single day ticket prices. online prices of a few resorts:
Vail 145
Copper 128
jackson 121
Steamboat 139
Whistler 119
Whats more outrageous than vails prices is that some mountains out east charge near or above 100
malonius_funkYou're not understanding the simple fact that it takes a lot more money to run Vail Resorts than to run 1 tiny ski hill. It's pretty simple really. You're also making lofty assumptions about those who run Vail Resorts. While I probably wouldn't disagree with you I wouldn't go as far to say that they are "laughing" at their customers. Your argument has no rational thought to it; its comprised of thoughts you have made up in your head that have no backing. Also, you know that when you put a phrase in quotations it is implied that whoever you are talking about said it. Show me where Vail said "love so much" so I can confirm you didn't just make that up too in order to back up your already made up argument.
Seriously, I don't agree with Vail Resorts; I've said that before and I'll say that again. But in order to have a valid argument you need to get rid of your fake quotes and assumptions and show that you did some critical thinking.
Also, take a basic economics course.
.Hugo.Its not like vail is the only resort with high single day ticket prices. online prices of a few resorts:
Vail 145
Copper 128
jackson 121
Steamboat 139
Whistler 119
Whats more outrageous than vails prices is that some mountains out east charge near or above 100
BlurstI realize that it takes a hell of a lot more money to run a massive resort like Vail than it does to run a three lift operation like the one that I'm talking about, but I truly believe that it is fair to assume that to operate with a healthy profit for the resort and its parent company, it doesnt need to charge $160 a day for lift tickets. I think that is something that can be universally agreed upon.
Also what does me taking a basic economics course have to do with this argument? I have taken basic economics courses, I've also taken advanced economics courses. Just because I have a different view of how the world should operate doesn't mean that I'm uninformed.
malonius_funkIf you just look at a basic demand curve it shows that an increase in quantity leads to an increase in price. Seems to me that there are a fuck ton of people skiing nowadays; just look at the outrageous lift lines and how crowded Vail's resorts are. Therefore, they are going to charge however much the market allows them to. To say that Vail is making skiing inaccessible is wrong. To say that their intentions behind owning and developing mountains is misguided is, IMO, wrong as well. I get that they do not carry the soul of skiing, but come on man, you can't say they are making skiing any less accessible. You may have a different view of how the world should operate but your view is delusional; the way you want the world to operate is not how the world actually operates.
To sum things up: I agree that Vail has no soul but I disagree that they are making skiing less accessible. Wouldn't it be nice if giant corporations could operate like mom and pop ski hills? Of course, but that's just not how it works. There's a reason they have grown into the corporation they are; it didn't just "happen."
BlurstI totally agree that my view is delusional. I'm not an idiot, I understand that Vail is going to continue operating in a way that maximizes their profits while not giving back to the world of skiing but that doesn't mean that I am not allowed to voice my criticisms of a system that I see as very broken and misguided.
At some point we are going to have to stop accepting things on the basis of "that's just not how it works" (I used quotation marks properly that time) because if we forever just subordinate ourselves to that idea skiing will truly become something for only the incredibly affluent.
Rasta Stevie had it figured out
malonius_funkYou're not understanding the simple fact that it takes a lot more money to run Vail Resorts than to run 1 tiny ski hill. It's pretty simple really. You're also making lofty assumptions about those who run Vail Resorts. While I probably wouldn't disagree with you I wouldn't go as far to say that they are "laughing" at their customers. Your argument has no rational thought to it; its comprised of thoughts you have made up in your head that have no backing. Also, you know that when you put a phrase in quotations it is implied that whoever you are talking about said it. Show me where Vail said "love so much" so I can confirm you didn't just make that up too in order to back up your already made up argument.
Seriously, I don't agree with Vail Resorts; I've said that before and I'll say that again. But in order to have a valid argument you need to get rid of your fake quotes and assumptions and show that you did some critical thinking.
Also, take a basic economics course.
