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lIllIWhat do you expect? All of the Canons can hardly shoot 1080p24 still...
SourSteezlewhat do you mean hardly shoot 1080 24 still? The t2i shoots 1080 24 and it's 6 years old...meaning every canon dslr they've produced in the last 6 years has 1080 24
m3owzzaDo you really need 50MP from a camera?
SteezyJapaneezyThey don't care about the average video enthusiasts anymore. Their cinema line is selling well, no need to cannibalize. The 5Ds isn't meant for filmmakers./
DingoSeanCanon neuters their photo gear because they want to keep people buying their Video specific equipment.
Canon's not going anywhere, but they aren't exactly leading the pack in that realm is all.
rtl32Well then they might as well send a letter to all their trusty and loyal txi filmers out there to just switch over to a gh3 once they start getting serious but don't wanna buy a cinema body. This is getting ridiculous.
At this point, I don't even see a reason to ever go canon. Nikon gets way better bang for their buck with stills right up until you hit the d4s and only then would I even consider the Idx, and if you want to film it seems like everyone just says the ghx lineup is better right now. Why canon, why?!
rtl32Well then they might as well send a letter to all their trusty and loyal txi filmers out there to just switch over to a gh3 once they start getting serious but don't wanna buy a cinema body. This is getting ridiculous.
At this point, I don't even see a reason to ever go canon. Nikon gets way better bang for their buck with stills right up until you hit the d4s and only then would I even consider the Idx, and if you want to film it seems like everyone just says the ghx lineup is better right now. Why canon, why?!
1337it's a 50mp camera and only photographers who "need" 50mp will be purchasing it.
If someone needs 50mp, why are they even bothering with a 35mm sensor?
1337Are you guys serious? The 5DS is a specialty camera designed for high resolution specific projects. Its sensor is nothing close to a good video sensor and nobody would be buying a 5DS for fucking video, it's a 50mp camera and only photographers who "need" 50mp will be purchasing it.
If you're still using canon for video, that's another whole issue that you should reevaluate.
DingoSeanThis is what I'm thinking... 50mp doesn't translate at all to video quality because even at 4k it's less than 4 megapixels per frame...
I mean, I figured Canon would package it with 4k anyway simply to sell the thing like crazy, but it's pretty obvious that this thing is meant to compete with and vastly exceed the top sensor resolution options from Sony and Nikon in still photography.
1337Are you guys serious? The 5DS is a specialty camera designed for high resolution specific projects. Its sensor is nothing close to a good video sensor and nobody would be buying a 5DS for fucking video, it's a 50mp camera and only photographers who "need" 50mp will be purchasing it.
If you're still using canon for video, that's another whole issue that you should reevaluate.
1337Are you guys serious? The 5DS is a specialty camera designed for high resolution specific projects. Its sensor is nothing close to a good video sensor and nobody would be buying a 5DS for fucking video, it's a 50mp camera and only photographers who "need" 50mp will be purchasing it.
lIllIit's a 50mp camera and only photographers who "need" 50mp will be purchasing it.
If someone needs 50mp, why are they even bothering with a 35mm sensor?
1337Hence my use of quotations. 50mp in 35mm format is excessive.
1337Hence my use of quotations. 50mp in 35mm format is excessive.
SteezyJapaneezyIt equals to 19MP on an APS-C sensor, so not really. It's pushing the sensors limits for sure though.
1337Wat? Are you serious?
1337Wat? Are you serious?
rtl32What canon has done is make a camera that is supposed to be used in conditions where you can generally control the lighting (studio, commercial projects, modeling, etc) so at the expense of low light performance, they gave it an absurd pixel count for the huge billboard the image will be on.
lIllIThis seems odd to me, since at that point there is little to no advantage to using a DSLR (a swiss army knife computer with a lens attached to it) over other cameras that are far more suitable for that application.
SteezyJapaneezyLike what? An iphone?
rtl32Hasselblad, Leica, Mamiya, and many other medium format cameras. Some medium formats soar up to around 80mp nowadays, while some are still around 20 (I can only imagine how good these are in low light).
One more point I may add to the absurdity of the 50mp on the 5DS is that the sharpness of any FX lens will not be anywhere near the level that the 50mp can really take advantage of. The at a certain point the camera stops capturing sharpness after it reaches the p-mpix of the lens, and you just get an unnecessarily large image. But again, this is probably meant to be a medium for people doing projects that for some reason don't want to go medium format for some reason.
SteezyJapaneezyMedium formats are on a whole different price point, excluding the pentax 645 series. Dont forget that this camera only costs around 3.8grand
rtl32If I want 1080p at 60p I should not have to by an $8000 1dc body lol.
erikKHonestly I'd probably pay extra to be able to buy a DSLR without any video features at all
lIllIAny business that could benefit from the marginal resolution could spring for the relatively small amount of money for a medium format system. Hell, drop the $3k for a Contax 645 system. Not a big deal for ten times the image quality offered by any DSLR in existence.
DingoSeanThis. I see stand-alone freelancers taking photos of fucking flowers in the park and shooting on digitalMF systems way more often than I should ever... but, If people commonly will spend 6 grand on a carbon fiber bike, or a sweet old roadster they only take out on Sundays, there are others who will drop 10-15 grand on a Hasselblad because they "need to get the correct skin tones" or whatever the hell.
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1337Are you guys serious? The 5DS is a specialty camera designed for high resolution specific projects. Its sensor is nothing close to a good video sensor and nobody would be buying a 5DS for fucking video, it's a 50mp camera and only photographers who "need" 50mp will be purchasing it.
If you're still using canon for video, that's another whole issue that you should reevaluate.
DingoSeanThis is what I'm thinking... 50mp doesn't translate at all to video quality because even at 4k it's less than 4 megapixels per frame...
I mean, I figured Canon would package it with 4k anyway simply to sell the thing like crazy, but it's pretty obvious that this thing is meant to compete with and vastly exceed the top sensor resolution options from Sony and Nikon in still photography.
SteezyJapaneezy1080p uses 2MP, while 4K uses 8MP. There is a reason for the A7s having such a little MP count other than low-light performance.
SKI.INGThank you. It's their prerogative to decide to focus on stills for their DSLR range. It's almost as if people have gotten spoiled by having it all in one package. Remember the original purpose of these cameras. It's obvious when looking at how many accessories they need to be a competent film camera. And obviously you all still like Canon products, otherwise you'd be happy there is a cheaper/better alternative.
As a 60D owner upon release, yeah it bums me a little bit, but at this point if I take my filming to the next step I'll be purchasing a dedicated cinema camera from Blackmagic, or even Canon's C lineup if by then they've made them a better bang for buck. No, my lenses aren't wasted, I can mount them on Black Magic, RED, etc.
And I don't understand why everyone on here has a boner for 4K. Sure it's nice, but not the end all, be all of video. I don't think anyone on here is in a position to where they NEED it for their projects.
EDolloStoneThe 5Ds was made with one specific purpose, and that is to attempt to bring Medium Format quality images
DingoSeanYou don't. You can just get the 7Dmk2...
(unless you're saying that the 1DC is true 1080 and the 7D2 isn't... in which case I'm not clued in)
EDolloStoneattempt to bring Medium Format quality images to the hands of those who can not afford a Hasselblad or other MF camera.
lIllIFor fucks sake, medium format is only expensive to 20 year olds who have never seen more than 4 digits in their bank account. It is not prohibitively expensive, and to any company that needs that sort of resolution, no non-Veblen camera exists that is "too expensive."
People need to stop thinking of MF as some mystical unattainable realm if imagery that nobody can afford. If you're a middle class adult, you can fucking buy one yourself. If you're an actual company, you can buy dozens.
1337This thread is stupid.
lIllIFor fucks sake, medium format is only expensive to 20 year olds who have never seen more than 4 digits in their bank account. It is not prohibitively expensive, and to any company that needs that sort of resolution, no non-Veblen camera exists that is "too expensive."
People need to stop thinking of MF as some mystical unattainable realm if imagery that nobody can afford. If you're a middle class adult, you can fucking buy one yourself. If you're an actual company, you can buy dozens.
ski.the.easttroll or douche? $30-40k is not at all casual
EDolloStoneI am sorry that you were raised in an upperclass household, but 20,000-50,000 is a lot for a camera. that is RED Epic level expensive. All I am saying is they are making a sub $5,000 camera that has the resolution of 20-50k cameras.
and i mean, most people arent able to drop 50k on a camera, just like they arent able to walk into a car dealership and buy a 40k car with cash. The VAST majority of people dont have that kind of money.
Aaaand, Incase you forgot, people who are interested in this type of camera, are likely making a living off of photography, and last time i checked, not alot of artists make more that 50k per year......
ski.the.easttroll or douche? $30-40k is not at all casual
lIllIWhat are you basing that on? There is no definition of an objectively "large" amount of money. "Large" can only exist in context, and in the context of a business that advertising on billboards, that number is far higher. $40k is worth more to you and me than it is to Nike or Oakley. Make sense?
lIllIWhat are you basing that on? There is no definition of an objectively "large" amount of money. "Large" can only exist in context, and in the context of a business that advertising on billboards, that number is far higher. $40k is worth more to you and me than it is to Nike or Oakley. Make sense?
lIllIPeople need to stop thinking of MF as some mystical unattainable realm if imagery that nobody can afford. If you're a middle class adult, you can fucking buy one yourself.
lIllIWhen your company has tens of millions of dollars in liquid assets (a.k.a cash on hand), yeah, $50k is pennies out of an advertising budget. Unless you're a mom and pop shop (most freelance artist), my point still stands.
ski.the.eastassuming owning a shop/being a freelancer puts you in the realm of middle class, can they still "fucking buy one yourself"?
lIllII was referring to the film ones. Or if you need digi, rent. Hell, even if you bought a digi, assuming billboard photography is your breadwinner, it's not wholly unreasonable to spend that much on a camera even if you aren't pulling six figures. How many middle class Americans spend that much (or more) on shit they DON'T use to make a living? Again, context is everything.
It seems that the only people bitching about MF are people who have never shot it, and just assume it's some ungodly price because they only went as far as looking at the MSRP on B&H and not actually doing any research. I'd be surprised if someone who couldn't figure out how to solve this problem one way or another managed to land a gig shooting for billboards in the first place.
Look, it's quite simple. If your client genuinely NEEDS resolution beyond what a D800 offers, you are not in the position to bitch about the price of MF. If MF is too expensive for you, then good news: you don't need it. I could go into some atrocious economic rant about how retail prices are determined in a competitive market, and my point would still stand, but that would just be redundant at this point.
