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Lincoln loop or misty?

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Lowercase_t
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So I did Lincoln loops and mistys off a diving board yesterday and really want to try one on skis. The only invert I can do is a back flip. In the park now there is a 15 footer, a 30 footer, and a 40 footer. Which would be better to do and off what size jump?
Jan 21 2015 10:36AM
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freestyler540
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Lowercase_tSo I did Lincoln loops and mistys off a diving board yesterday and really want to try one on skis.


Said every noob
Jan 21 2015 10:41AM
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owen.greene_
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I have no first hand experience just so you know. but I know people who do and they say that it doesn't matter how long the jump is if that makes sense. but what really matters is how poppy the jump is. like if you go off a 40 footer that's really flat and try to backie it will probly end very unfortunately. if you go off a 10 footer that's really poppy and floaty you could easily do it. that's what I hear and it makes send imo
Jan 21 2015 10:43AM
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Lowercase_t
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freestyler540Said every noob


How do you suppose I learn it?
Jan 21 2015 10:50AM
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RubberSoul
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freestyler540Said every noob


wow great post man, super helpful


anyway OP, lincolns arent super different than lincolns on skis, so if you can backy on skis id hit the same kind of jump

my suggestion in general would be a medium jump, not huge and consequential, but not so small you have to huck it. my rule of thumb for new tricks that i feel confident about is to do it on the biggest jump im 100% comfortable on, provided it's poppy. trying new stuff, especially inverts, sucks on jumps with flat take offs.

and i'd def go lincoln first as it's similar to backies. misties feel way different to me with their frontward flipping that doesnt take advantage of the weight on your feet and the momentum of them off the jump like backies and lincolns do. theyre the easiest trick on diving boards cause of the way you spring into it but way harder (IMO) on skis
Jan 21 2015 11:40AM
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Lowercase_t
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. I can throw. A side flip pretty well so I think I might try that. Thanks
Jan 21 2015 12:17PM
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.GUCCI.
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*lencoln
Jan 21 2015 12:18PM
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boppin
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Go for it on the smaller jump. As long as you don't screw up popping it you'll survive.
Jan 21 2015 5:03PM
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L0gic
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The first invert I've ever done is a misty. You basically curl your body forwards and to the left (for me) and it all comes around. Sometimes I accidentally spin a little bit doing a lencoln and land on my side. Whatever your more comfortable doing. At the end of the day, you'll probably get both of them if you just huck it and get over that mental barrier.
Jan 21 2015 6:03PM
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RoidedSasquatch
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Lowercase_tSo I did Lincoln loops and mistys off a diving board yesterday and really want to try one on skis. The only invert I can do is a back flip. In the park now there is a 15 footer, a 30 footer, and a 40 footer. Which would be better to do and off what size jump?


I'd say to go for a lencoln first. They are easier as your momentum when hitting the jump will have you leaning more back than forward. So just go off the jump, pop a little bit and drop your shoulder. You can use your arm if you want to to throw harder. I've done them off tiny booters into pow and off huge booters into airbags. Trying my first one on a hip and then taking it to a jump next time I'm out. Mistys are a very different story. They are the only invert I've tried off a normal park jump because I'm very comfortable with them on the trampoline. It didn't end well the first time, I went for 7 and didn't have enough air/ speed or whatever. they are much less forgiving than a lencoln as if you over or under rotate a lencoln, you'll land on your shoulder. If you over or under rotate a misty you'll probably land either straight on your back like I did or on your head. That said they look insane if you can throw them. I would definitely say just throw the lencoln, it probably wont end badly and youèll end up stomping it your first or second try.

One more important thing to add. When you lincoln on skis, you tend to rotate a bit in addition to flipping, to fix this just focus your vision directly on one point and you should stay straight.
Jan 25 2015 1:50PM
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Lowercase_t
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So if I throw a Lincoln off the 10 footer that has some pop is that a bad idea? I'm a 100% comfortable hitting that but on the 30 I rarely mess up and flail just a bit. I'd just throw it pretty hard and I think I'll be fine. I'm going skiing tomorrow so I might do one then.
Jan 27 2015 1:55PM
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RubberSoul
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Lowercase_tSo if I throw a Lincoln off the 10 footer that has some pop is that a bad idea? I'm a 100% comfortable hitting that but on the 30 I rarely mess up and flail just a bit. I'd just throw it pretty hard and I think I'll be fine. I'm going skiing tomorrow so I might do one then.


that'll probably be fine. do whatever thing you can most completely visualize start to finish. and yeah, a lincoln is totally doable on a little jump. id advise against trying your first 3s on a little jump cause it changes the way you do the trick so much IMO, but lincoln will come around fine on that
Jan 27 2015 4:23PM
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Lowercase_t
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Well that Is where I did my first 3s and back flips. I learned a 3 after a back flip though which is weird but I'm really comfortable with back flips so that's why I want to try a Lincoln
Jan 27 2015 6:57PM
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RubberSoul
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Lowercase_tWell that Is where I did my first 3s and back flips. I learned a 3 after a back flip though which is weird but I'm really comfortable with back flips so that's why I want to try a Lincoln


haha that's sick, i always tell people a backy can sometimes seriously be easier than a 3 but youre living proof

yeah, if there's a jump youve already 3d or backied and can do both, your judgment should be good for that. just remember to pop
Jan 29 2015 9:04AM
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Huckasorass
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And in a Lincoln, your never "blind" to the landing, just don't get comfortably happy with the beginning of the rotation and slack out of head tilt, you'll stop the rotation quick, remember remember and then remember your body will follow your head. Props for steppin out of you comfort!
Jan 29 2015 9:21AM
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270on420out
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I learned lincolns this season and they are soooo much fun. I can do them off any sized jump because they are super easy.
Jan 29 2015 9:39AM
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Lowercase_t
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I went for a Lincoln yesterday and it didn't go well at all. I started off good but after a quarter of the flip my rotation slowed and I spun a little bit. I landed on my back and hit my head. Not sure what I did wrong. I know it's hard to understand what I did, but could anyone try to help me?
Feb 2 2015 8:57AM
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PattyAlpaugh
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Try lincolns on the 30, if you are going to slow bring it to 40
Feb 2 2015 9:15AM
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itswillis21
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Probably leaned back a little bit because you're more used to back flipping. every time i try one i just land upside down. Learn front flip and then misty will seem super easy. for me that was the easiest off axis spin
Feb 2 2015 9:17AM
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Lowercase_t
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I didn't lean back. I watched the video and I actually threw it forward an late. I started flipping almost after I was off the jump. I definitely won't be trying that again for a little bit. Should I go into the front flips/ mistys?
Feb 2 2015 10:24AM
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RubberSoul
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Lowercase_tI went for a Lincoln yesterday and it didn't go well at all. I started off good but after a quarter of the flip my rotation slowed and I spun a little bit. I landed on my back and hit my head. Not sure what I did wrong. I know it's hard to understand what I did, but could anyone try to help me?


Lowercase_tI didn't lean back. I watched the video and I actually threw it forward an late. I started flipping almost after I was off the jump. I definitely won't be trying that again for a little bit. Should I go into the front flips/ mistys?


it sounds like you threw it too forward? you def lean back a little to throw a lincoln-- let the momentum of your skis coming off the jump help you do the rotation. if you try to send it sorta forward youre working against your momentum, which is the problem i have with misties and fronts

if you have backies then start doing them pretty similarly but a little more to the side.
Feb 2 2015 11:41AM
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Lowercase_t
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Would it be a bad idea to front or misty now?
Feb 3 2015 10:56AM
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T-Van
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https://www.newschoolers.com/watch/747757.0/Brett-Fisher-Big-Lencon-Small-Jumpb-fish got some of the best lincolns , just dont send em of such a small jump
Feb 3 2015 12:34PM
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Huckasorass
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In the rodeo did you jab ypur plant foot down good? I used to keep it jabbed through the turn, at least at first for good follow through practice, if I could learn them at my experience level at that time, then I believe you can, I wasn't even invert comfortable at the time... I would hold off on the other tricks and focus on one at a time,licolns are super fun... just jab your foot, cock your shoulder down (NOT THE OTHER SIDE UP!) and tilt your head at the same time allll the way around.. trust me, then tackle TameDogs
Feb 3 2015 1:36PM
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Huckasorass
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**I mean Lincoln* not Rodeo..
Feb 3 2015 1:37PM
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Mrworm10
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I'd say go lincoln on the 15 footer. If you huck right, you'll have no problem getting it around on a jump that size. Less risk = more commitment. I'd say Flat 3's maybe before lincolns though because they are like halfway in between backies and lincolns and they get you in the mindset for lincolns.
Feb 3 2015 5:39PM
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Lowercase_t
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It seems to me that the lip messed up my flip. I know this sounds rediculous but just what it looks like after watching it. This 15 footer I threw it off of is pretty lipped for the size of it
Feb 6 2015 10:17AM
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kemosabe
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Misty is much easier imo. But rodeo is easier than both and is a variation of a lencon, and a misty. Idk. You should try a rodeo or misty it is easier to commit to than a Lincoln.
Feb 6 2015 10:39AM
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Lowercase_t
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I looked up videos on YouTube of Lincoln loops and Lincoln loop falls. It seems on most of the ones where people messed up they threw it kind of forward like mine. All the ones people do well they threw it sideways but similar to the take off of a back flip
Feb 7 2015 11:49AM
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