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Do you believe there is a God?

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milk_man
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Do you believe in God? Do you believe there is one God, or many gods? Or no God at all.. Are we alone on earth?


If there is no God then everything is relative, which means morality is relative. If you don't believe in God then where do you gain your sense of right and wrong? From laws and rules created by the GOVERNMENT?


I want interesting discussion, but preferably no one getting mad and offended. I won't get offended if you won't.
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MIHoodlum
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I accept that I don't know.
Jan 6 2017 12:13AM
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onenerdykid
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Young_pattyYeah I gotta agree with you on this one. Its super crazy to think that from nothing our universe just appeared. One moment nothing and then the next minute something. How could a ball of something simply appear in a void of nothing? Real talk, I know scientists/Atheists will always be poking holes in religion but until we can scientifically prove how and why our universe became something from nothing than I think its just as believable that some omnipotent being (God perhaps) created our universe. Thats just my opinion though.


If something can't come from nothing, then where did God come from? How can God simply appear in a void of nothing? What caused God's existence? That argument swings both ways.

It could very well be that the Big Bang caused itself- there was no cause other than its own absolute necessity. This argument also applies to God. Both are entirely possible and plausible. As of right now, we simply lack the data to say which one is correct.
Jan 6 2017 6:52AM
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Young_patty
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onenerdykidIf something can't come from nothing, then where did God come from? How can God simply appear in a void of nothing? What caused God's existence? That argument swings both ways.

It could very well be that the Big Bang caused itself- there was no cause other than its own absolute necessity. This argument also applies to God. Both are entirely possible and plausible. As of right now, we simply lack the data to say which one is correct.


Yeah I agree it goes both ways but the real point I was hoping to make was no one really knows how and why our universe was created.
Jan 6 2017 9:06AM
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milk_man
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onenerdykidIf something can't come from nothing, then where did God come from? How can God simply appear in a void of nothing? What caused God's existence? That argument swings both ways.

It could very well be that the Big Bang caused itself- there was no cause other than its own absolute necessity. This argument also applies to God. Both are entirely possible and plausible. As of right now, we simply lack the data to say which one is correct.


This is where humans can't fathom it. We think we are so learned and that God is limited to a beginning and an end. We have a lot of trouble fathoming "eternal."

"Something can't come from "nothing" when matter is being discussed. God is not made of matter.
Jan 6 2017 9:25AM
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minihef
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milk_manThis is where humans can't fathom it. We think we are so learned and that God is limited to a beginning and an end. We have a lot of trouble fathoming "eternal."

Something can't come from "nothing" when matter is being discussed. God is not made of matter.


This is a huge contradiction. You say humans can't fathom it and think we are so learned and yet you are one of the people who have repeatedly claimed to know things about the nature of God and why the world is the way it is.

The reality you have no idea what God is made of, or what he is, or what he does or has done, or whether he even exists. Claiming you do know these things when you have nothing more than blind faith and some ancient writings on your side is the height of arrogance, in my opinion. Simply stating as yet unknowable things as if they're fact does not help provide a genuine path to knowledge and truth.
Jan 6 2017 10:01AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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Young_pattyYeah I agree it goes both ways but the real point I was hoping to make was no one really knows how and why our universe was created.


*yet. Scientists have a pretty good understanding considering they study light that is billions of years old. I'm so sick of people saying we don't know as if we'll never know. Science is constantly evolving at an exponential rate. We WILL have an answer one day and I don't think the hyper religious are going to like it. But hey they already deny FACTS so they will probably continue down ignorant, regressive path.
Jan 6 2017 10:21AM
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Lonely
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onenerdykidIf something can't come from nothing, then where did God come from? How can God simply appear in a void of nothing? What caused God's existence? That argument swings both ways.

It could very well be that the Big Bang caused itself- there was no cause other than its own absolute necessity. This argument also applies to God. Both are entirely possible and plausible. As of right now, we simply lack the data to say which one is correct.


There is actually some proof that we are actually on our third, fourth, or higher Big Bang.
That would explain how this Big Bang happened (matter collapses inward, but cannot collapses to a particle point so it explodes outward.) It doesn't prove the first Big Bang, but it does hint towards our current one.
Jan 6 2017 10:23AM
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onenerdykid
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milk_manThis is where humans can't fathom it. We think we are so learned and that God is limited to a beginning and an end. We have a lot of trouble fathoming "eternal.".

Humans don't have a problem fathoming what constitutes "eternal" - metaphysics is thousands of years old. Eternal, forever, infinite, etc. are all well known concepts to anyone who has studied this field. The Christian notion of eternity is not at all unique and is one of many such interpretations of the idea.

But they are all interpretations about a purely conceptual ideal - no one can prove that anything is eternal. It's just an idea that can make sense. But simply because that idea makes sense, it does not follow that such an idea actually exists, or that anything is eternal.

LonelyThere is actually some proof that we are actually on our third, fourth, or higher Big Bang.
That would explain how this Big Bang happened (matter collapses inward, but cannot collapses to a particle point so it explodes outward.) It doesn't prove the first Big Bang, but it does hint towards our current one.


Which is incredibly interesting. Absolutely mind-blowing to think that this could be the case.
Jan 6 2017 11:40AM
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Bonzalo
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The only god is ourselves, we are the physical expression of god himself. Love is our religion.

Mayans knew, Hinduist knew, Christians knew, Buddhist knew...
Jan 6 2017 11:58AM
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CabbyArrant
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I was brought up Catholic but being someone who studies science I have problems with the concept of faith. I feel it's ignorant to say that a God must exist because of our own inadequacy at explaining events. But then there are certain questions that would necessitate there to be at least some cause of all cause; such as if a true origin of time exists.
In truth I have no idea what my true stance on this is but I hate creationism so I generally lean toward science on matters like this.
Jan 6 2017 3:23PM
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-benedetto
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We are all God.
Jan 6 2017 3:28PM
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milk_man
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LonelyThere is actually some proof that we are actually on our third, fourth, or higher Big Bang.
That would explain how this Big Bang happened (matter collapses inward, but cannot collapses to a particle point so it explodes outward.) It doesn't prove the first Big Bang, but it does hint towards our current one.


I'm not asking this to prove a point but do you know what the odds of the bing bang are? Someone calculated the odds of it happening the way they say it did--astronomical, really
Jan 6 2017 10:29PM
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Lonely
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onenerdykidHumans don't have a problem fathoming what constitutes "eternal" - metaphysics is thousands of years old. Eternal, forever, infinite, etc. are all well known concepts to anyone who has studied this field. The Christian notion of eternity is not at all unique and is one of many such interpretations of the idea.

But they are all interpretations about a purely conceptual ideal - no one can prove that anything is eternal. It's just an idea that can make sense. But simply because that idea makes sense, it does not follow that such an idea actually exists, or that anything is eternal.



Which is incredibly interesting. Absolutely mind-blowing to think that this could be the case.


Yeah, I've been really interested in this lately and it is a fairly solid theory (or as solid as a quantum theory can be at least) because we can "observe" a similar procces with stars.
Jan 6 2017 11:17PM
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Lonely
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milk_manI'm not asking this to prove a point but do you know what the odds of the bing bang are? Someone calculated the odds of it happening the way they say it did--astronomical, really


Well how did they calculate those odds. It seems fairly difficult to calculate the odds of something as theoretical as the Big Bang.
Jan 6 2017 11:19PM
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milk_man
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LonelyWell how did they calculate those odds. It seems fairly difficult to calculate the odds of something as theoretical as the Big Bang.


Maybe it's just the odds of life coming out of the Big Bang. The odds that the molecules would come together so orderly as to create a single called organism.
Jan 6 2017 11:53PM
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onenerdykid
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milk_manI'm not asking this to prove a point but do you know what the odds of the bing bang are? Someone calculated the odds of it happening the way they say it did--astronomical, really

But at least the Big Bang is not merely an idea. It is an idea that is based on mathematical predictions and tested, supporting evidence that provides a comprehensive explanation for a wide range of phenomena in our universe. We think the Big Bang was real because there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it did in fact happen. The odds of its occurrence are part of its amazingness.

milk_manMaybe it's just the odds of life coming out of the Big Bang. The odds that the molecules would come together so orderly as to create a single called organism.

Which is one of the great unanswered questions of our lifetime. But I'm sure we will one day figure it out, just as we figured out the cause of earthquakes, cause of floods, cause of droughts, cause of disease, the reason the planets move the way they do, how our planet formed the way it did, etc. etc.
Jan 7 2017 2:31AM
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mswizzle3
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milk_manI'm not asking this to prove a point but do you know what the odds of the bing bang are? Someone calculated the odds of it happening the way they say it did--astronomical, really


the way I think about the tiny odds of the big bang happening are that if the universe and by extension time are essitially eternal, so, basically it was a certainy that eventually the big bang would happen no matter how small the odds are
Jan 7 2017 8:22AM
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EmperorKuzco
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Charlie_Kelly*yet. Scientists have a pretty good understanding considering they study light that is billions of years old. I'm so sick of people saying we don't know as if we'll never know. Science is constantly evolving at an exponential rate. We WILL have an answer one day and I don't think the hyper religious are going to like it. But hey they already deny FACTS so they will probably continue down ignorant, regressive path.


All I imagined while reading this was Charlies face from the Cereal Defense episode and Mac is making his argument for evolution
Jan 7 2017 9:54AM
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Charlie_Kelly
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EmperorKuzcoAll I imagined while reading this was Charlies face from the Cereal Defense episode and Mac is making his argument for evolution


Im no expert, just a humble bird lawyer.
Jan 7 2017 10:01AM
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EmperorKuzco
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Charlie_KellyIm no expert, just a humble bird lawyer.


Bird Law in this country is not governed by reason
Jan 7 2017 10:10AM
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milk_man
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mswizzle3the way I think about the tiny odds of the big bang happening are that if the universe and by extension time are essitially eternal, so, basically it was a certainy that eventually the big bang would happen no matter how small the odds are


But there can't be millions of big bangs. It would've taken millions and millions of them to get this result. To think we got this result from one, random, singular Big Bang would be absurd, and mathematically impossible
Jan 7 2017 10:19AM
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minihef
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milk_manTo think we got this result from one, random, singular Big Bang would be absurd, and mathematically impossible


The people who actually study the physics and maths don't agree with you.
Jan 7 2017 10:27AM
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onenerdykid
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Charlie_KellyIm no expert, just a humble bird lawyer.


These are some of my favorite episodes. Filibuster.

milk_manBut there can't be millions of big bangs.


Why not? Millions and millions is probably a stretch, but certainly not impossible. If the data suggests that the expansion and collapse of the universe is possible and repeatable, then it could happen any number of times.
Jan 7 2017 11:04AM
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Bateman
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no? i'm a rational free thinking human being. Arent you guys? the fuck
Jan 7 2017 1:51PM
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.frenchy
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why hasn't this thread been nuked yet lul. nothing good comes from threads like this, thats why I stopped posting/commenting on debate threads...


just grow up and let others think how they want. nobody is gonna change the other persons mind
Jan 7 2017 1:54PM
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milk_man
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.frenchywhy hasn't this thread been nuked yet lul. nothing good comes from threads like this, thats why I stopped posting/commenting on debate threads...


just grow up and let others think how they want. nobody is gonna change the other persons mind


Oh the goal of this thread definitely isn't for anyone to change their mind! I like talking with people to better understand their reasoning and specific beliefs
Jan 7 2017 7:29PM
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LucaSkiMan
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Ullr sometimes makes me pretty wet when it delivers.
Jan 8 2017 6:44AM
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stokedelic
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onenerdykidIf something can't come from nothing, then where did God come from? How can God simply appear in a void of nothing? What caused God's existence?


mega god made god...duh
Jan 8 2017 10:16AM
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McNoche
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Mods it's time to clip this thread. We got a douche bag with the shitiest arm sleeve imaginable going back and forth with the MilkMan. Talk about to retarded monkeys spewing shit all over the place.
Jan 8 2017 11:18AM
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miroz
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milk_manBut there can't be millions of big bangs. It would've taken millions and millions of them to get this result. To think we got this result from one, random, singular Big Bang would be absurd, and mathematically impossible


...what?
Jan 10 2017 2:39AM
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Lus146
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.frenchywhy hasn't this thread been nuked yet lul. nothing good comes from threads like this, thats why I stopped posting/commenting on debate threads...


just grow up and let others think how they want. nobody is gonna change the other persons mind


It's asking a question, not telling anyone to change their mind
Jan 10 2017 2:00PM
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californiagrown
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milk_manBut there can't be millions of big bangs. It would've taken millions and millions of them to get this result. To think we got this result from one, random, singular Big Bang would be absurd, and mathematically impossible


You are aware that any result from the big bang is Mathematically "impossible" right? If you are just looking at the odds.

This particular outcome was no less likely than any other random outcome.

Seriously, to think this outcome was any less likely is to assume you know everything possible, and all outcomes possible haha
Jan 10 2017 4:43PM
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milk_man
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californiagrownYou are aware that any result from the big bang is Mathematically "impossible" right? If you are just looking at the odds.

This particular outcome was no less likely than any other random outcome.

Seriously, to think this outcome was any less likely is to assume you know everything possible, and all outcomes possible haha


Yeah no less likely than any other random outcome. Must less likely than a purposeful outcome though
Jan 10 2017 8:54PM
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Lonely
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milk_manYeah no less likely than any other random outcome. Must less likely than a purposeful outcome though


Is the big bang unlikely? In a mathematical sense sure. But it is very easy to trivialize or complicate any situation revolving around the odds of something happening.

For example that stupid water bottle flipping trend. You could take Joe Blow and have him flip a bottle. Now the average person would say that it would be about a 50/50 chance that it would land upright. But if you wanted to couldn't you that the chance of him flipping the bottle is much smaller based on the chance of his parents meeting, or his grandparents meeting? Because without them Joe Blow would have never been able to flip the bottle. (Their is a much better way to explain this but it is 11:30 and my heating is broken). But we don't because that is unnecessary complication.

The same goes for the big bang. I can make it mathematically trivial. We know for a fact that a thing called gravity attracts things towards themselves in a seemingly infinite fashion. We also know for an (almost) fact that matter cannot condense into a particle point because it would no longer be matter. Mathematically theory would say that the strong nuclear force ( I think) at a certain point would cause an outwards explosion, rather than just an output of energy and attraction, and than collapse inward making the cycle of big bangs very likely as that is one of our fundamental laws. And with how big the universe is there is actually a relatively high chance that our seemingly random outcome happens. If you have a 1/100 chance to create a planet that can sustain life and the universe is 1000 units big...that's still a pretty good chance.

In the world that we live in everything is unlikely and everything is likely. That's why probability will always only be an estimate, because we can't fathom the infinite intricacies of our universe. The difference in between you and me is I believe science has or will prove why, and you simply have faith in perfect design. Just two differing beliefs.
Jan 10 2017 11:34PM
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Jan 10 2017 11:45PM
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milk_man
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LonelyIs the big bang unlikely? In a mathematical sense sure. But it is very easy to trivialize or complicate any situation revolving around the odds of something happening.

For example that stupid water bottle flipping trend. You could take Joe Blow and have him flip a bottle. Now the average person would say that it would be about a 50/50 chance that it would land upright. But if you wanted to couldn't you that the chance of him flipping the bottle is much smaller based on the chance of his parents meeting, or his grandparents meeting? Because without them Joe Blow would have never been able to flip the bottle. (Their is a much better way to explain this but it is 11:30 and my heating is broken). But we don't because that is unnecessary complication.

The same goes for the big bang. I can make it mathematically trivial. We know for a fact that a thing called gravity attracts things towards themselves in a seemingly infinite fashion. We also know for an (almost) fact that matter cannot condense into a particle point because it would no longer be matter. Mathematically theory would say that the strong nuclear force ( I think) at a certain point would cause an outwards explosion, rather than just an output of energy and attraction, and than collapse inward making the cycle of big bangs very likely as that is one of our fundamental laws. And with how big the universe is there is actually a relatively high chance that our seemingly random outcome happens. If you have a 1/100 chance to create a planet that can sustain life and the universe is 1000 units big...that's still a pretty good chance.

In the world that we live in everything is unlikely and everything is likely. That's why probability will always only be an estimate, because we can't fathom the infinite intricacies of our universe. The difference in between you and me is I believe science has or will prove why, and you simply have faith in perfect design. Just two differing beliefs.


I see what you mean, but the odds of two people meeting is 1/7,000,000,000 that is still much more likely than our planet and a single cellled organism simultaneously being created by a Big Bang.

I dont believe science will prove why because there is no why. If the Big Bang is true there is absolutely no purpose to anything. And to me that simply makes no sense. I agree though, we have two differering beliefs
Jan 10 2017 11:52PM
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onenerdykid
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milk_manI dont believe science will prove why because there is no why. If the Big Bang is true there is absolutely no purpose to anything.


To think that there would be no purpose to anything is not correct. It is not necessarily an "either or" scenario. You can have purpose in life with a Big Bang without a creator behind it. I really think you would enjoy reading about Aristotle's Unmoved Mover - the ultimate self-caused cause that is responsible for everything. Aristotle also believed that everything and every event in the universe has a built-in purpose for its existence (this is called teleology). A self-caused event (like the Big Bang), without a creator behind it, can still offer purpose to every thing and event in the cosmos. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Another point - Even if God is the ultimate cause for everything, then what exactly is the purpose of existence? That He made everything and commands us to love Him for creating everything or we burn in Hell for all of eternity? What purpose is that other than narcissistic coercion? How is that any better? Sounds like an omnipotent version of Stalin.
Jan 11 2017 5:07AM
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californiagrown
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milk_manI see what you mean, but the odds of two people meeting is 1/7,000,000,000 that is still much more likely than our planet and a single cellled organism simultaneously being created by a Big Bang.

I dont believe science will prove why because there is no why. If the Big Bang is true there is absolutely no purpose to anything. And to me that simply makes no sense. I agree though, we have two differering beliefs

Nah the odds of two people meeting are the odds of earth being formed, life being created, humans existing, and those 2 out of all humans ever being at the same place/time.

Basically, if you are gonna bring odds into this argument, then everything that happens to you is mathematically impossible... Therefore guided by God... Therefore you have no freewill, therefore the new testament is a lie.
Jan 11 2017 10:06AM
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milk_man
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californiagrownNah the odds of two people meeting are the odds of earth being formed, life being created, humans existing, and those 2 out of all humans ever being at the same place/time.

Basically, if you are gonna bring odds into this argument, then everything that happens to you is mathematically impossible... Therefore guided by God... Therefore you have no freewill, therefore the new testament is a lie.


That's not how odds work. Yeah if you go by that everything is impossible. But no one goes by that.. we are talking about the odds of a single event. Not the odds of every event necessary for that event to take place.

2 humans already exist. The earth already exists. We don't account for every person who ever lived because those two humans exist now
Jan 11 2017 10:13AM
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californiagrown
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milk_manThat's not how odds work. Yeah if you go by that everything is impossible. But no one goes by that.. we are talking about the odds of a single event. Not the odds of every event necessary for that event to take place.

2 humans already exist. The earth already exists. We don't account for every person who ever lived because those two humans exist now


You were literally just talking about the odds for our world to happen which involves countless events to happen. Why doesn't that same logic apply to the 2 humans meeting?

Possibly because it now becomes inconvenient for your beliefs?

Do you understand why your argument is contradictory?
Jan 11 2017 12:15PM
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milk_man
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californiagrownYou were literally just talking about the odds for our world to happen which involves countless events to happen. Why doesn't that same logic apply to the 2 humans meeting?

Possibly because it now becomes inconvenient for your beliefs?

Do you understand why your argument is contradictory?


What are you talking about? I'm not talking about our world today and our current atmosphere etc. I'm talking specifically about the world that supposedly came from the Big Bang. I'm talking about the initial single cells organism that came from the Big Bang. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough because there is obviously confusion.
Jan 11 2017 3:19PM
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californiagrown
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milk_manWhat are you talking about? I'm not talking about our world today and our current atmosphere etc. I'm talking specifically about the world that supposedly came from the Big Bang. I'm talking about the initial single cells organism that came from the Big Bang. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough because there is obviously confusion.


We are currently living in, and you are a product of, the world that "supposedly came from the big bang". It's the same world, just further down the chain of events...

Why do mathematical odds regarding a series of events matter to you billions of years ago, but you don't consider the mathematical odds of the series of events that led to your life today?
Jan 11 2017 3:30PM
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milk_man
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californiagrownWe are currently living in, and you are a product of, the world that "supposedly came from the big bang". It's the same world, just further down the chain of events...

Why do mathematical odds regarding a series of events matter to you billions of years ago, but you don't consider the mathematical odds of the series of events that led to your life today?


Because the odds of me existing is irrelevant. How and why would you even calculate that? I'm here and we all know how I got here. The earth is here and we do not all agree how it got here. That's why odds matter
Jan 11 2017 4:17PM
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Charlie_Kelly
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milk_manI see what you mean, but the odds of two people meeting is 1/7,000,000,000 that is still much more likely than our planet and a single cellled organism simultaneously being created by a Big Bang.

I dont believe science will prove why because there is no why. If the Big Bang is true there is absolutely no purpose to anything. And to me that simply makes no sense. I agree though, we have two differering beliefs


Why does everything have to have a a purpose?
Jan 11 2017 4:17PM
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californiagrown
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milk_manBecause the odds of me existing is irrelevant. How and why would you even calculate that? I'm here and we all know how I got here. The earth is here and we do not all agree how it got here. That's why odds matter


You think the odds of the earth and humans existing etc are too great, and so that points to god having created it, correct?

The odds of you being able to type into this website are even greater. In fact, everything you do has exponentially greater odds of happening. Do great, that (by your logic), only God could have done it. If god is behind all of your actions, then you don't actually have free will. If you don't have free will, the basic tenant of the bible is false.

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Jan 11 2017 4:24PM
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Lonely
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milk_manI see what you mean, but the odds of two people meeting is 1/7,000,000,000 that is still much more likely than our planet and a single cellled organism simultaneously being created by a Big Bang.

I dont believe science will prove why because there is no why. If the Big Bang is true there is absolutely no purpose to anything. And to me that simply makes no sense. I agree though, we have two differering beliefs


milk_manBecause the odds of me existing is irrelevant. How and why would you even calculate that? I'm here and we all know how I got here. The earth is here and we do not all agree how it got here. That's why odds matter


How does the big bang remove all purpose? I've never understood this argument.

Not trying to attack you but the overbearing argument against things such as the big bang is that we can not fathom or prove all of it, and because of that people insert god. It's a fallacy. Saying that you don't believe that science will prove something is ignorant, especially in the day and age we live in.

1200 years ago we could not fathom that the earth was round.

250 years ago we could not comprehend that a light photon existed in both particle and wave states. or that time wasn't constant everywhere.

The argument has and always will be in favor of science. Science and technology can continually be improved upon. Theology, on the other hand can not.

Now, I will say that according to science, given enough time a species could evolve to a point where they could be considered "god's" but they would not be the gods contradictory gods of any religious texts. They also do not exist. There is no proof of them existing and any argument based on faith alone is fallacious>
Jan 11 2017 5:00PM
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Malcolm
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I like to think there's some kind of hidden variable. Maybe a god but probably not.
Jan 11 2017 5:44PM
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milk_man
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californiagrownYou think the odds of the earth and humans existing etc are too great, and so that points to god having created it, correct?

The odds of you being able to type into this website are even greater. In fact, everything you do has exponentially greater odds of happening. Do great, that (by your logic), only God could have done it. If god is behind all of your actions, then you don't actually have free will. If you don't have free will, the basic tenant of the bible is false.

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No im not even talking about the odds of that single felled organism evolving. I'm literally only talking about the odds of matter being pushed together in such a way as to create a planet that can sustain a single celled organism, and a single celled organism. Human life has nothing to do with it.

Actually no whatever odds you are talking about is not greater

God is absolutely not behind all my actions. I never claimed that. I don't think anyone ever claimed that. I, along with virtually everyone else, is constantly rebelling against God. Maybe in small ways, maybe in big ways.
Jan 11 2017 6:55PM
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californiagrown
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milk_manNo im not even talking about the odds of that single felled organism evolving. I'm literally only talking about the odds of matter being pushed together in such a way as to create a planet that can sustain a single celled organism, and a single celled organism. Human life has nothing to do with it.

Actually no whatever odds you are talking about is not greater


You don't understand probability, do you? Like at all.

Why do you stop looking at probability once the single celled organism was created. Why does that same line of reasoning you are using to explain those astronomical odds, not apply after the creation of that organism?
Jan 11 2017 7:04PM
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milk_man
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californiagrownYou don't understand probability, do you? Like at all.

Why do you stop looking at probability once the single celled organism was created. Why does that same line of reasoning you are using to explain those astronomical odds, not apply after the creation of that organism?


Because then it gets even more improbable. We're talking about the initial creation of life from non living matter. The odds are somewhere between 1 in 10^40 and 1 in 10^290. Very low estimate and very high estimate.

Why else do you think they need the earth to be billions and billions of years old? Because that's the only way that this crap would be vaguely maybe possible to take place
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