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RcRacing
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Hello guys and welcome to my thread.

I'm an advanced++ skier and i want to get myself an upgrade. The past 12 years i spent on several Fischer racing skis but only skiing fast down the piste got boring over the years.

Therefore i'm looking for a reliable all mountain ski. I'm going to ride 20% park, 20% piste and 60% bc/pow.

I'm 26 years old, 172lbs/78kg and 6'0/183cm. Mainly i'm skiing the alps. Price tag doesn't matter.

My future ski should have a medium/soft flex and should be 90mm up to 110mm under food. Full rocker would be appreciated. I'm not a complete beginner riding backcountry/pow. I did it with my racing ski in the past but it is so fucking annoying and exhausting (leaning backwards all day) that i simply need new pair of ski.

So guys, please help me to find a playful/maneuverable ski which does it all (powder/tight trees/medium jumps/park). The offer in the www is just overwhelming and i'm struggling to find the right one for me.

I have 2 skis in mind but i like to wait what you are going recommend to me. Feel free to suggest me a binding as well and sorry for any grammar mistakes (not my native language).
Jan 12 2015 3:58PM
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Park.
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look into the Volkl Bridge. Full rocker (well flat base w/rocker tip/tail), in your underfoot width range, probably somewhat easily available if you are in the Alps, and I think Volkl just makes a great ski.

Whitedot has this, a bit wider, but IM not sure if its a twin
http://www.whitedotskis.com/skis/director

if you are thinking of onnly skis with no camber, then you won't have many choices. I would consider something with a small amount of rocker.
Jan 12 2015 5:44PM
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RcRacing
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First of all thank you for your fast advise.

A small amount of rocker in the tip and tail would be acceptable too! With "full rocker" i just wanted to say that a tip and tail rocker should be existent.

The Völkl Bridge are looking really nice so far.

Any other suggestions?
Jan 12 2015 6:09PM
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B.Quincy
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How about kartel 106's (98'S) by on3p? Dont think they are full rocker but semi and still very playful, may be hard to get a hold of in the alps though. Also line sir francis bacons sound like they could work really well for you not fully rockered but do everything you want. I would considerd other than fully rockered skis for what you want honestly but more of partial rocker as it will perform much better in various conditions.
Jan 12 2015 6:35PM
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brapclap
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Check out either tahoe or PB&J from moment skis. Tahoe being a little better in the pow, the PB&J being better in the park and on piste.

Those are what I would chose between.
Jan 12 2015 11:49PM
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RcRacing
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What about the Alpha X and the Line Blend/Chronic in comparison with each other?

That are the skis I had in mind.
Jan 13 2015 8:14AM
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B.Quincy
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RcRacingWhat about the Alpha X and the Line Blend/Chronic in comparison with each other?

That are the skis I had in mind.


Alpha x are not what you want based on what you described, the blends and chronics are better for more just park and can do all mountain but if your looking for something more all mountain that can do park than the sfb is the best option
Jan 13 2015 11:20AM
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RcRacing
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Thanks Quincy.

Did you ride the SFB?

Can u tell me something more explicit about the flex pattern (tip - unter foot - tail)?
Jan 13 2015 3:23PM
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B.Quincy
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RcRacingThanks Quincy.

Did you ride the SFB?

Can u tell me something more explicit about the flex pattern (tip - unter foot - tail)?

Unfortunately i have only ridden them once as a demo, but honestly they are the best for all moutain jibbing and still doing well in pow. Here is a great review of the skis that will answer a lot of your questions. The flex was fun but still sturdy and perfect balance for being able to kill in the park and all over the mountain.
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2013-2014-line-sir-francis-bacon-190cm
Jan 13 2015 8:36PM
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suup
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You should look into the 4frnt Devastators. They sound like what your looking for.
http://4frnt.com/products/devastator-ltd
Jan 13 2015 11:32PM
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shin-bang
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skisocksYou should look into the 4frnt Devastators. They sound like what your looking for.
http://4frnt.com/products/devastator-ltd


eye eye captain. go check them out. theyre killer
Jan 14 2015 12:36AM
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RcRacing
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Thank you guys so far.

The SFB and the Devastator are both sick.

But i think the SFB fits better to me because it seems to have a softer flex and is all around more playful/maneuverable. Am i right?

Other suggestions?
Jan 14 2015 5:19PM
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Park.
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RcRacingThank you guys so far.

The SFB and the Devastator are both sick.

But i think the SFB fits better to me because it seems to have a softer flex and is all around more playful/maneuverable. Am i right?

Other suggestions?


I've talked to and seen people charging on the bacons and those things aren't great for mach speeds. If you are in the Alps, you will probably be going constantly past the speed limit of the SFB's. They are just too soft and floppy for charging on anything, but that wasn't what they were designed for in the first place.
Jan 14 2015 6:04PM
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RcRacing
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parkplaygroundI've talked to and seen people charging on the bacons and those things aren't great for mach speeds. If you are in the Alps, you will probably be going constantly past the speed limit of the SFB's. They are just too soft and floppy for charging on anything, but that wasn't what they were designed for in the first place.


You claimed out an interesting point.

But i would sacrifice the opportunity skiing fast to gain more stability and fun overall the mountain.

The main problem is that the mainstream skier in the alps are pretty much traditional skier (oldschool carving, etc.) and in case of that there are plenty of groomed pistes and you are forced to ride them first to enter backcountry afterwards.
Jan 14 2015 6:21PM
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.lencon
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I know its a little out of your waist range, but the 4frnt yle as well as the devy are something too look at. I love my yle and they kill it all over the mountain, not full rocker tho. It might not be the ski you want but they're worth looking at and they're so fun. And 4frnt now has a "love it or send it back" policy from what I hear.
Jan 14 2015 9:31PM
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RcRacing
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How buttery the SFB feels?
Jan 15 2015 4:18PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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Blizzard Peacemaker. Stiffer than the SFB but still playful and can charge in certain conditions. Look at the Salomon Rocker2 105
Jan 15 2015 9:16PM
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RcRacing
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Well, i took my decision. I'm going for the SFB. Thank you for all your recommendations.

One last question due to bindings? Should i go for Rossi's FKS 140 or Marker Jester?
Jan 19 2015 5:10PM
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Park.
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RcRacingWell, i took my decision. I'm going for the SFB. Thank you for all your recommendations.

One last question due to bindings? Should i go for Rossi's FKS 140 or Marker Jester?


Jesters work better on wide skis (designed to work better).

Fks/pivots don't transmit power to the edges as well as the markers.
Jan 19 2015 6:50PM
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RcRacing
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parkplaygroundJesters work better on wide skis (designed to work better).

Fks/pivots don't transmit power to the edges as well as the markers.


Thank you. I've already make good experience with Marker in the past.


What about this break breaking issue (FKS) everybody's complaining about? Serious issue?
Jan 19 2015 6:59PM
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Park.
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RcRacingThank you. I've already make good experience with Marker in the past.


What about this break breaking issue (FKS) everybody's complaining about? Serious issue?


I own 3 pairs of pivots and have never had a binding break. They do bend very easily though so I can see them breaking easily too if you manage to eject switch
Jan 19 2015 7:09PM
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rozboon
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RcRacingThank you. I've already make good experience with Marker in the past.


What about this break breaking issue (FKS) everybody's complaining about? Serious issue?


People parroting what they've heard on the interweb a few times. A bit like "FKS is hard to use in pow"

Yes, they tend to break if you eject switch at speed. But so do most bindings. Just on the FKS they're a pain in the arse to change out the brake, but you learn to live with it. The reality is that unless you're hitting park all day every day and landing switch a lot it's unlikely to be an issue for you.
Jan 20 2015 11:45PM
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Park.
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rozboonPeople parroting what they've heard on the interweb a few times. A bit like "FKS is hard to use in pow"

Yes, they tend to break if you eject switch at speed. But so do most bindings. Just on the FKS they're a pain in the arse to change out the brake, but you learn to live with it. The reality is that unless you're hitting park all day every day and landing switch a lot it's unlikely to be an issue for you.


yea pretty much this, but I have managed to break 3 separate baseplates from 2 different pairs, so they aren't as indestructable as people say, but I just scored a pair of 18s for free that are in great condition so Ill see how those hold up when I get around to using them.
Jan 21 2015 12:56AM
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