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so after 3 years of battling intense shin bang and improper fitting boots, i went to salt lake, and got fitted at inkline boot fitting. i got custom footbeds, heat molding, the whole nine yards. the thing is, i still am getting pretty severe toe bang, and still getting shinbang (hence my name here on ns.. shin-bang) so am i the only person in this world that has gone to a professional boot fitter, and still having issues? i need some serious help, i cant ski to my full potential with hurting toes and shins (ie. nose presses and butters, basically anything and everything hurts) any suggestions? and tips??? anything helps. why do i have to have such bad shin and toe bang
A_Burgerare you skiing backseat? are you letting your shins and toes heal first?
yes and no. jibbing and doing the type of skiing i do at my ghetto resort its virtually impossible to not ride back seat. and for letting my shins and toes heal, yes, my right shin still had some remaining shinbang from the previous boots, but the left shin was 100 percent good.
^ I am fitted for race boots and they are the best thing I've ever bought, but if I land backseat the stress and pressure you put on your shins still bruises them. Believe it or not, the more you lean into them the less they will get bruised (before they start bruising, after they are banged any pressure will make it worse)
yungsteezeShinbang will happen no matter what if you land or ski backseat often
umm im gonna have to disagree, but partially agree. How do people tail press, nose butter, slam off jumps to bad flat landings, just people in general who ride hard not get back seat?
Go to your local ski shop and try every model of full tilt, dalbello, atomic, rossignal, ect. ski boot they have. Take a walk around in them and if they fit buy them and if they don't then don't buy them. also take periodic breaks and hang in the lodge for a good 10 minutes.
shin-bangumm im gonna have to disagree, but partially agree. How do people tail press, nose butter, slam off jumps to bad flat landings, just people in general who ride hard not get back seat?
with tail presses try and pop, then bring your knees up and push out in front of you. don't initially try and lean back to flex your skis without popping, I did that for a while and got shin bang from it. It's hard to get perfect but when you do it feels awesome.
nose butter shin bang is probably from your shins not being healed, casing jumps happens and is unavoidable (but landing backseat is not).
A_Burgerwith tail presses try and pop, then bring your knees up and push out in front of you. don't initially try and lean back to flex your skis without popping, I did that for a while and got shin bang from it. It's hard to get perfect but when you do it feels awesome.
nose butter shin bang is probably from your shins not being healed, casing jumps happens and is unavoidable (but landing backseat is not).
that makes some sense on the tail press, but the "casing jumps" there are no jumps where i ski. theres little jibs that i boost all the way to flats, with poop conditions. but i feel like the not riding backseat (even just a little bit) is impossible
if you get backseat enough you will get shin bang. If you fall on your head enough, you will hurt your brain. If you grind rails enough you will dull your edges.
Dont want to get shinbang? dont get backseat. simple. Do you actually understand how shinbang(aka shin splints) actually work? like the mechanics behind it? Look into it, and you will see why properly fitting boots dont have a ton to do with it. now, if you are having issues because the boot flex is too stiff and is bruising your shins when you lean into the tongue, that is an entirely different issue.
shin-bangyes and no. jibbing and doing the type of skiing i do at my ghetto resort its virtually impossible to not ride back seat. and for letting my shins and toes heal, yes, my right shin still had some remaining shinbang from the previous boots, but the left shin was 100 percent good.
I, coming from the same resort and skiing with you most weekends, can tell you that it is very possible to not be backseat when skiing Pebble. I hit the same rails and jibs as you do, but I am only backseat when I mess up and have a bad landing or trick. It's my fault that I am backseat and not the terrain's.
I don't get what you are saying when you say the terrain doesn't allow you to ski with good form? Just buck up and stop skiing backseat, it's not that hard.
Scotty_BoyI, coming from the same resort and skiing with you most weekends, can tell you that it is very possible to not be backseat when skiing Pebble. I hit the same rails and jibs as you do, but I am only backseat when I mess up and have a bad landing or trick. It's my fault that I am backseat and not the terrain's.
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Scotty_BoyI, coming from the same resort and skiing with you most weekends, can tell you that it is very possible to not be backseat when skiing Pebble. I hit the same rails and jibs as you do, but I am only backseat when I mess up and have a bad landing or trick. It's my fault that I am backseat and not the terrain's.
Profahoben_212I don't get what you are saying when you say the terrain doesn't allow you to ski with good form? Just buck up and stop skiing backseat, it's not that hard.
im not blaming the terrain doods. im saying that my type of skiing (learning tricks and what not) is normally a lot of backseat riding which is pretty unavoidable. how do you expect to be "proper form" when learning 270s, spins, butters, grabs and spins off jumps, ect. youre not going to land in the proper position most of the time. sure i can keep out of the backseat when just skiing and throwing tricks i have locked down, but im trying to progress; in which i land in the back seat and wreck quite a bit. so there ya go, until i have all the tricks in the world locked down, i will continue riding back seat.
captain_whaleGo to your local ski shop and try every model of full tilt, dalbello, atomic, rossignal, ect. ski boot they have. Take a walk around in them and if they fit buy them and if they don't then don't buy them. also take periodic breaks and hang in the lodge for a good 10 minutes.
Not to be rude, but this is one of the absolute the worst things you can do when you buy boots. If you try on every boot you're just going to get super confused and the chances of actually ending up in the right boot are very low. You should just try on the boots the boot fitter gives you.
For OP: Try build some lower leg muscles. Do lots of leg exercises and build your leg muscles, it will help you in pretty much every way. You're shins will be able to take more abuse before they get bruised up and sore, by building your leg and overall body muscles you reduce the pressure on your knees and other joints making you less prone to injury, and finally having strong muscles helps you be able to drive your skis with your weight forward more easily.
I'd also recommend buying one of these:
They're pretty cheap and have done wonders for me. I used to have really sensitive shins and get a lot of shin bang but now I pretty much never get sore shins. What I do is I put it on the ground and I put both my shins on top of it and roll backwards and forwards with my weight on my shins for a couple minutes.
To be honest it really really really hurt super fucking badly the first few times and I could hardly handle it. Now however after a couple months of use it doesn't hurt at all and I always use it before I go skiing. It's fixed a lot of problems for me I would recommend you give it a go.
NegromancerNot to be rude, but this is one of the absolute the worst things you can do when you buy boots. If you try on every boot you're just going to get super confused and the chances of actually ending up in the right boot are very low. You should just try on the boots the boot fitter gives you.
For OP: Try build some lower leg muscles. Do lots of leg exercises and build your leg muscles, it will help you in pretty much every way. You're shins will be able to take more abuse before they get bruised up and sore, by building your leg and overall body muscles you reduce the pressure on your knees and other joints making you less prone to injury, and finally having strong muscles helps you be able to drive your skis with your weight forward more easily.
I'd also recommend buying one of these:
They're pretty cheap and have done wonders for me. I used to have really sensitive shins and get a lot of shin bang but now I pretty much never get sore shins. What I do is I put it on the ground and I put both my shins on top of it and roll backwards and forwards with my weight on my shins for a couple minutes.
To be honest it really really really hurt super fucking badly the first few times and I could hardly handle it. Now however after a couple months of use it doesn't hurt at all and I always use it before I go skiing. It's fixed a lot of problems for me I would recommend you give it a go.
Yo negromancer, thanks for posting something relevant to the thread an being helpful, I'll will for sure get a roller and work my shins like you have said. k+++
I have the same problem its because of landing in the back seat. Their is a podiatrist(foot docotor) that works at my local mountain and he told me to use skin mold so it would put less stress on the Tibia. Haven't gotten around to getting the skin mold but once I try it out ill get back to you.
shin-bangim not blaming the terrain doods. im saying that my type of skiing (learning tricks and what not) is normally a lot of backseat riding which is pretty unavoidable. how do you expect to be "proper form" when learning 270s, spins, butters, grabs and spins off jumps, ect. youre not going to land in the proper position most of the time. sure i can keep out of the backseat when just skiing and throwing tricks i have locked down, but im trying to progress; in which i land in the back seat and wreck quite a bit. so there ya go, until i have all the tricks in the world locked down, i will continue riding back seat.
In which case i'd say you've put yourself in the best case scenario to not get shin bang, obviously if you're learning new tricks your gonna wreck and land backseat thats inevitable and everyone does when learning new tricks, everyone gets a bit of shin bang, are you over-exaggerating then amount and severity of shin bang you get?
Only other thing i could think of is that you are in fact skiing backseat down the mountain rather when just landing badly, if thats the case then its all down to you buddy, but obviously none of us will know unless we actually came skiing with you.
shin-bangim not blaming the terrain doods. im saying that my type of skiing (learning tricks and what not) is normally a lot of backseat riding which is pretty unavoidable. how do you expect to be "proper form" when learning 270s, spins, butters, grabs and spins off jumps, ect. youre not going to land in the proper position most of the time. sure i can keep out of the backseat when just skiing and throwing tricks i have locked down, but im trying to progress; in which i land in the back seat and wreck quite a bit. so there ya go, until i have all the tricks in the world locked down, i will continue riding back seat.
Your landing backseat because you are taking off from the backseat. You need to keep your shins pressed into your tongues at ALL times. Jumps, jibs, ripping turns, it doesn't matter. Backseat riding is VERY avoidable. Not to sound like captain obvious, but you need to work your form before you start hucking tricks. Get back to basics. This is where most racers have an advantage over park skiers. They've been coached over the years on proper form - and us park rats don't usually have that instruction/background (but its VERY important.) If you haven't tried already, put the forward incline wedge into your boots and see how it feels (or the lean shims for FT's.) If it helps you keep your shins in contact with the tongue its all for the better.
That being said you can still land backseat and get nasty shin/toe bang. Boots fitting properly or not. Its all form. You just have to deal with it and try your best to avoid it. For example, My boots fit perfectly, love them; but I overshot a decent sized jump (50 footer?) the other day and got the worst toe bang I've had in years. Probably gonna lose a toe nail. It's not the jumps fault, its not the boots fault, its MY fault for not getting it right and thats just the way it goes. Nothing worthwhile comes easy/pain free. Use a roller like someone else suggested (I use a tennis ball because I find it gets deeper into the "dibits" of my leg) and otherwise just keep at it.
Charlie*Your landing backseat because you are taking off from the backseat. You need to keep your shins pressed into your tongues at ALL times. Jumps, jibs, ripping turns, it doesn't matter. Backseat riding is VERY avoidable. Not to sound like captain obvious, but you need to work your form before you start hucking tricks. Get back to basics. This is where most racers have an advantage over park skiers. They've been coached over the years on proper form - and us park rats don't usually have that instruction/background (but its VERY important.) If you haven't tried already, put the forward incline wedge into your boots and see how it feels (or the lean shims for FT's.) If it helps you keep your shins in contact with the tongue its all for the better.
That being said you can still land backseat and get nasty shin/toe bang. Boots fitting properly or not. Its all form. You just have to deal with it and try your best to avoid it. For example, My boots fit perfectly, love them; but I overshot a decent sized jump (50 footer?) the other day and got the worst toe bang I've had in years. Probably gonna lose a toe nail. It's not the jumps fault, its not the boots fault, its MY fault for not getting it right and thats just the way it goes. Nothing worthwhile comes easy/pain free. Use a roller like someone else suggested (I use a tennis ball because I find it gets deeper into the "dibits" of my leg) and otherwise just keep at it.
thanks for the help, k+, looks like im going back to using poles and working on staying forward
BlackcountryBillStrong quads so you land and cushion with them rather than locking up and relying on your legs in boots to hold you upright are paramount.
I also did a lot of toe lifts to strengthen the muscle that dorsiflexes your foot, allowing you to use that to stay up too before bending your shin.
Squats and toe lifts my man.
k+ i already do a ton of weighted squats and touch my butt to the floor. ill start doing the toe lifts! thanks
BD shin gel pads helped my shin bang a lot. Ive fitted people for years at my shop and realised that my shin bang was partially being in the back seat but also Im 6'3" 180 but my lower legs right above my ankles are the same size as your average 10 year old's and super narrow and sharp too.I also dialed back my boot flex from 130 to a 105 so that I can fully flex and extend. Lastly the above comment about always pressuring the front of the boot isnt 100% correct. Pressuring the back of the boot during quick slalom like turns is an advanced technique you can use during the completion phase of the turn. Ron Lemaster has a section on Pressuring different parts of the boot beyond the tongue in Ultimate Skiing.
LutsenwreckLastly the above comment about always pressuring the front of the boot isnt 100% correct. Pressuring the back of the boot during quick slalom like turns is an advanced technique you can use during the completion phase of the turn. Ron Lemaster has a section on Pressuring different parts of the boot beyond the tongue in Ultimate Skiing.
thats why you get high sided carving a turn, because that quick change of balance slingshots the completion of the turn. but you arent really presuring the rear of the boot, its more like letting your feet get slightly ahead of where they normally would be. At least that is how it feels to me.
I was getting a lot of pain in my shins, thought it was either shin bang or shin splints. I was also doing a lot of running.
Turns out it was neither. The muscle in the back of my lower legs was seizing and getting tight, which pulls and you feel it in your shin.
If you press quite hard and run your fingers down the back of your leg, from just above the fattest part of your calf to above your ankle. You might feel sort of a lump, tightness or nodules. It's where the muscle contracts and does not fully relax, stays tight and although it's the back of your leg you feel it in your shin.
You should be able to feel it with your fingers and be able to massage or stretch it out. If it's really bad go see a physio.
try strengthening your legs and shins. use a roller on your shins, do dorsiflexor exercises and if you really need to , kick wooden pillars like those crazy muay thai guys.
Ski around fully crouched in a typical parkrat tuck all day, every day. Eventually from all of the time backseat, your tibias and boots will develop a slight backwards bend (similar to a banana) thus, eliminating all shin bang. Proceed to aggressively reproduce to create the ultimate race of banana-legged humans for park skiing.
