Member of the Month

hi_vis360
November, 2024

Online

Welcome to the Newschoolers forums! You may read the forums as a guest, however you must be a registered member to post. Register to become a member today!

I cant butter or nollie

profile picture
snugs
Posts: 966 - Karma: 4,090
i am not a bad skier, i needn't get into my repertoire but i feel that i am at a level where i should be buttering and such. i dont get it. it seems like i over flex my boots or my heel lifts before i get into a nose butter. my skis are my size and my boots are fitted by professionals. i ride omws. i just cant get them to press out, idk why. some insight please?
Jan 5 2015 8:37PM
190 53
profile picture
270on420out
Posts: 7514 - Karma: 51,159
Tighten your boots
Jan 5 2015 8:43PM
23 0
profile picture
skiersupreme
Posts: 1549 - Karma: 4,872
well nollies are quite simple. kinda lean forward and jump and say its a nollie. nobody will know the difference. kinda like a "tail press" just lean back a little
Jan 5 2015 8:43PM
12 2
profile picture
VANULAR
Posts: 1930 - Karma: 5,131
stiff boots are key, the boots support you when you lean into a butter if your boots flex too much your weight won't transfer as quick to your skis making it really hard to perform the trick.
Jan 5 2015 8:59PM
39 0
profile picture
VANULAR
Posts: 1930 - Karma: 5,131
Also if your heel is lifting try "j bars" they stick them on your liners above the heel
Jan 5 2015 9:00PM
19 0
profile picture
snugs
Posts: 966 - Karma: 4,090
i got j bars. maybe i need stiffer boots but they are at a 110
Jan 5 2015 9:02PM
0 0
profile picture
TACO-DOG.exe
Posts: 11989 - Karma: 12,264
maybe you're simply just not trying hard enough? try throwing a cork set as hard as you can next time you try it. like pretend you're doing a dub lol
Jan 5 2015 9:19PM
1 2
profile picture
TheBooleanBandit
Posts: 12 - Karma: 64
I had the same problem a while ago, I would try doing some stuff to strengthen your legs so you can push down harder. Also, tighten your boots more and flex your skis a lot to soften them up so it is easier to flex.
Jan 5 2015 9:50PM
0 0
profile picture
felix.emhjellen
Posts: 27 - Karma: 190
Maybe you don't weight enough?
Jan 6 2015 6:11AM
0 0
profile picture
Substitute
Posts: 1376 - Karma: 2,275
felix.emhjellenMaybe you don't weight enough?


Very not true.

Wow grammar.

I weigh 140 and butter all over the place.
Jan 6 2015 7:15AM
9 0
profile picture
N.L.
Posts: 2420 - Karma: 2,746
VANULARstiff boots are key, the boots support you when you lean into a butter if your boots flex too much your weight won't transfer as quick to your skis making it really hard to perform the trick.


non flexing boots make for bad style when buttering and popping ollies. without being able to bend your knees, you will have goepper aerial style ...
take a day off park skiing, and ski around the mountain buttering and popping off of everything. rather than just jumping from your feet... there is an art to the "ollie" (just like skateboarding) and it takes an incredible amount of strength to pop the skis and coordination to balance the whole trick out.

getting low is my best advice! popping the tips of your skis up before you jump with your feet is key,(like skateboarding) the flexure of the tails of yours skis popping will send you airborn, balance all of this out and you will be able to ollie.

the whole buttering thing, is self expression, breaking the mold since 2001.
Jan 6 2015 7:58AM
1 1
profile picture
N.L.
Posts: 2420 - Karma: 2,746


flex weight back, pop off tails sending weight forward.
after you get the ollie, a nollie uses the same technique, use your toes to drive the nose of your skis and wait for the pop before letting your body weight come up. alot of people rush this and do a mule kick...dont force anything! let the skis work for you and you will have a great time.

Keep it freestyle!
Jan 6 2015 8:28AM
7 1
profile picture
RubberSoul
Posts: 11249 - Karma: 14,642
can you buy j bars by themselves? i dont see much on google for that
Jan 6 2015 8:29AM
0 0
profile picture
fresh_prince
Posts: 993 - Karma: 11,910
the problem might actually be in your skis, if you want something with no pop and all butter go for something like the B-Dog ski
Jan 6 2015 8:55AM
1 10
profile picture
Mr.Bishop
Posts: 22708 - Karma: 76,635
doomtreei am not a bad skier, i needn't get into my repertoire but i feel that i am at a level where i should be buttering and such. i dont get it. it seems like i over flex my boots or my heel lifts before i get into a nose butter. my skis are my size and my boots are fitted by professionals. i ride omws. i just cant get them to press out, idk why. some insight please?


VANULARstiff boots are key, the boots support you when you lean into a butter if your boots flex too much your weight won't transfer as quick to your skis making it really hard to perform the trick.


Listen to this man.

fresh_princethe problem might actually be in your skis, if you want something with no pop and all butter go for something like the B-Dog ski


Not a bad question - what kind of skis are you on? Obviously if you're skiing on steel-reinforced 2bi4's for skis, it'll be much harder to butter than a super duper flexy park stick.
Jan 6 2015 8:58AM
4 1
profile picture
N.L.
Posts: 2420 - Karma: 2,746
Jan 6 2015 10:08AM
7 0
profile picture
Turd.Ferguson
Posts: 1437 - Karma: 2,713
it really depends on strength in your legs, along with boot stiffness
Jan 6 2015 10:23AM
0 0
profile picture
Steezy_IN_KC
Posts: 2033 - Karma: 1,607
VANULARAlso if your heel is lifting try "j bars" they stick them on your liners above the heel


I had some J bar's put in two year's ago. They definitely helped, my only issue now is that I'm almost too far forward in my boots.
Jan 6 2015 12:43PM
0 2
profile picture
VANULAR
Posts: 1930 - Karma: 5,131
Steezy_IN_KCI had some J bar's put in two year's ago. They definitely helped, my only issue now is that I'm almost too far forward in my boots.


They shouldn't out you too forward, try shaving them down at boot fitter, also check your forward lean I know on fulltilt they put plastic in the back to put you more forward but if you take it out it will put you less forward. Also I find booster straps help a lot
Jan 6 2015 2:42PM
9 0
profile picture
Steezy_IN_KC
Posts: 2033 - Karma: 1,607
VANULARThey shouldn't out you too forward, try shaving them down at boot fitter, also check your forward lean I know on fulltilt they put plastic in the back to put you more forward but if you take it out it will put you less forward. Also I find booster straps help a lot


Thank you very much for your help. I'll play with it tonight and see if I cant' get a better result.
Jan 6 2015 3:14PM
0 0
profile picture
Duck_Sauce
Posts: 288 - Karma: 4,002
I ride omws too and I'm 150lbs, buttering with them is doable but they aren't the most buttery ski out there, so theres some of your problem. ride switch and lean forward until your tails come off the snow to gauge how much butter your weight can pull off with these skis. also, tight boots son
Jan 6 2015 5:16PM
0 0
profile picture
JimmyGreen
Posts: 96 - Karma: 2,287
hey man whats up yeah?

if you cant butter or nollie, i would try practising in a pool, under water with goggles on, pretending your nollieing. This way you can have maximum air time, until you pass out (lol), in the pool and really work on your nollies. when ur ready, you can take it to the deep end
Jan 6 2015 5:50PM
11 33
profile picture
Young_Spicoli
Posts: 282 - Karma: 539
get fulltilts
Jan 6 2015 6:14PM
4 0
profile picture
snugs
Posts: 966 - Karma: 4,090
thanks guys ill work on it in this below 0 weather we have on east coast
Jan 7 2015 7:54AM
4 0
profile picture
AGOF
Posts: 2038 - Karma: 3,605
N.L.non flexing boots make for bad style when buttering and popping ollies. without being able to bend your knees, you will have goepper aerial style ...
take a day off park skiing, and ski around the mountain buttering and popping off of everything. rather than just jumping from your feet... there is an art to the "ollie" (just like skateboarding) and it takes an incredible amount of strength to pop the skis and coordination to balance the whole trick out.

getting low is my best advice! popping the tips of your skis up before you jump with your feet is key,(like skateboarding) the flexure of the tails of yours skis popping will send you airborn, balance all of this out and you will be able to ollie.

the whole buttering thing, is self expression, breaking the mold since 2001.


Stiff boots=\= non flexing boots. If you have the right stiffness of boot, you can actually get forward into your butters, instead of just folding your 80 flex snowboard boots in half
Jan 7 2015 10:03AM
2 0
profile picture
OrageMothaFucka
Posts: 157 - Karma: 288
TheGreenRoomhey man whats up yeah?

if you cant butter or nollie, i would try practising in a pool, under water with goggles on, pretending your nollieing. This way you can have maximum air time, until you pass out (lol), in the pool and really work on your nollies. when ur ready, you can take it to the deep end


what in the actual fuck
Jan 7 2015 10:43AM
27 0
profile picture
N.L.
Posts: 2420 - Karma: 2,746
A-cAllStiff boots=\= non flexing boots. If you have the right stiffness of boot, you can actually get forward into your butters, instead of just folding your 80 flex snowboard boots in half


agreed , boots need to be tight fitting, custom fitted is ideal. the right stiffness boot is very necessary, "80 flex snowboard boots" would be very hard to transfer weight to the ski... i ride thalls dalbello boots and they allow a small amount of flexure before all the reinforcements bind up.

put your boots on in your carpeted living room. if you cant jump with them all laced up, they are non flexing and what your mom skis with... another test is walking up stairs without looking like a gaper.

once your boots have some type of flexure, even with a booster strap, the technique is getting your weight to the nose or tail of the ski and popping off the spring of the ski. you can practice preloading the tails/nose of yours skis without moving, maybe even inside if you have enough room.
Jan 7 2015 10:45AM
0 1
profile picture
SteezOnSkis12
Posts: 907 - Karma: 1,446
Im having the same problem but im afraid it has to do with weight, my boots fit tight but my skis are k2 sight 2014s. I can get the back up a little but not a lot. Any suggestions?
Feb 18 2015 12:30PM
0 0
profile picture
Peachbutt
Posts: 623 - Karma: 601
SteezOnSkis12Im having the same problem but im afraid it has to do with weight, my boots fit tight but my skis are k2 sight 2014s. I can get the back up a little but not a lot. Any suggestions?


No matter how hard you think you're pressing you aren't pressing hard enough
Feb 18 2015 2:49PM
3 0
profile picture
losh
Posts: 1126 - Karma: 4,695
Can someone explain what j bars are and what they do for me please
Feb 18 2015 8:03PM
1 0
profile picture
Swandog7
Posts: 4955 - Karma: 9,023
Try doing some nose blocks. Flat ground or in like a pipe or something. If you can do that you can nollie. It's really the same concept.
Jul 31 2015 8:58PM
0 0
profile picture
shin-bang
Posts: 4100 - Karma: 6,997
Yea I suck at butters but Nollies are easy. When first learning I like to think of it like a rocking chair. Lean back then lean forward and Pop. Then you'll get the feel for it and you'll start being able to find the sweet spot of flex and pop so you can get a deep flex without catching your tips
Jul 31 2015 9:58PM
3 0
profile picture
Mingg
Posts: 13992 - Karma: 49,651
For nollies: I think of doing a calf raise almost.
Lean forward, push through your toes and bring your knees up then kick your feet forward. and by forward i mean till your level and balanced.
Jul 31 2015 10:09PM
0 0
profile picture
casual
Posts: 6712 - Karma: 6,748
If you're flexing your boots too much and they're tight and fitted properly, I bet you're "leaning" or pressuring at the wrong point. If you just lean forward and try and butter and ease into it, you'll be flexing your boots and be so far leaned forward that you're not really in enough of an athletic or dynamic position to sort of press and pop/snap out.

I strongly recommend trying tip stands, and/or tip roll 360s like the old school trick. Even just standing on a flat and using your poles to sort of rock back and forth and then when you suck your feet back underneath you and slightly behind you, pop a little bit and almost jump up and forward using your poles to help by distributing your weight so you can more easily get up and balance on the tips of your skis with your tails parallel to your back. It takes a bit of practice, but you'll really get the "feel" of what it's like to flex your skis and shift your weight to the tips. Do that a bunch, and really just get that muscle memory of pressing and you'll find that sweet spot of where your skis flex and how much effort and force you need to initiate it.

Next, take it to knuckles, rollers, catwalk edges, whatever and start trying 360 nosebutters. If you're good on your skis in general and with edging and you know how to wash turns and can spin on boxes/and/or just spin around sliding on the snow, try just even washing around to switch just before the lip and look over your shoulder and pop a switch 1. when that feels easy, start experimenting with weighting the tips as you start to wash around. I also sometimes think it's easier to commit to a popped 180 (thrown as if you're going to continue to 360, aka don't get caught staring back uphill) and "land" on your tips and use the pop from the flex to bring it around.

I think switch tailbutter 3 is even easier. You'll get it, just keep trying.
Jul 31 2015 10:25PM
0 0
profile picture
samuel_ski
Posts: 152 - Karma: 169
I had the same problem last year. My boots were really lose fitting and they had way to much flex. Personally I like a medium flex boot for buttering. It give you control and playfulness at the same time.
Aug 1 2015 10:50AM
0 0
profile picture
APunx176
Posts: 1189 - Karma: 2,628
snugsi got j bars. maybe i need stiffer boots but they are at a 110


I have the same problem but I have 60s lol. I'm too lazy to find a better pair because I'm afraid of having to get my skis remounted
Aug 1 2015 12:21PM
0 0
profile picture
BCski95
Posts: 151 - Karma: 353
for flat ground nose butter 3s i lean forward and try and bend my knees a bit to really drive the press into the ground and get my tails up
Aug 1 2015 6:05PM
0 0
profile picture
boodizzle
Posts: 120 - Karma: 148
Butters for me came when I started focusing on my shoulders being over the tips of my skis. My issue was probably commitment, but it did the trick. Before I set a butter I kind of pretend I'm doing a 360 cork on the ground. Sounds dumb, but it works for me. Best of luck.
Aug 1 2015 7:05PM
0 0
profile picture
lickmyballs
Posts: 489 - Karma: 1,158
start buttering off knuckles its a lot easier and it looks sick too!!
Aug 1 2015 7:20PM
0 0
profile picture
profa_212
Posts: 8949 - Karma: 36,476
APunx176I have the same problem but I have 60s lol. I'm too lazy to find a better pair because I'm afraid of having to get my skis remounted


Unless your boots are horrendously miss sized, you wont need a remount.
Aug 1 2015 7:42PM
0 0
profile picture
APunx176
Posts: 1189 - Karma: 2,628
Profahoben_212Unless your boots are horrendously miss sized, you wont need a remount.


They're definitely not the right size. I bought them from my friend for like $40 and that's like all the money I had lol.
Aug 2 2015 8:09AM
0 0
profile picture
lurking
Posts: 2222 - Karma: 6,788
fresh_princethe problem might actually be in your skis, if you want something with no pop and all butter go for something like the B-Dog ski


Mr.BishopNot a bad question - what kind of skis are you on? Obviously if you're skiing on steel-reinforced 2bi4's for skis, it'll be much harder to butter than a super duper flexy park stick.


OP said OMW, ski definitely isn't the issue.
Aug 2 2015 9:39AM
0 0
profile picture
Deepskier
Posts: 3267 - Karma: 4,832
kip.Can someone explain what j bars are and what they do for me please


J bars are what is in the full tilt pro liner and the twall boots and more its a jbar between your shell and liner that keeps your heel from slipping up.
Aug 5 2015 10:36PM
0 0
profile picture
Andi_G
Posts: 3083 - Karma: 15,099
you gotta lean hard son and press all that you can
Aug 6 2015 1:58AM
0 0
profile picture
glidecam420
Posts: 214 - Karma: 1,536
smoke more weed
Aug 16 2015 9:57AM
1 0
profile picture
Psymun.Jewmunt
Posts: 4 - Karma: 18
bump none of these are helping
Feb 6 2016 1:07AM
0 0
profile picture
citigrass
Posts: 4 - Karma: 11
The new Line Chronics have a "butter zone" designed for easier flex.
Feb 6 2016 1:20AM
1 0
profile picture
saskskier
Posts: 4774 - Karma: 10,005
Butters and knollies are a good time, but I'm always a little freaked out that I'm going to catch my tips when knolly-ing. Hasn't happened yet, but it's still in the back of my mind.
Feb 6 2016 1:39AM
0 0
profile picture
Thegratefulskier
Posts: 338 - Karma: 918
glidecam420smoke more weed


This helped me before I smoked weed I was a gaper but now I'm a gangster
Feb 6 2016 9:16AM
1 0
profile picture
jynx81
Posts: 359 - Karma: 479
make sure you cant "taco" your tong on your boots. also if you can steal a pair of al dantes
then its just pitifully easy. But also just try it of a knuckle of a jump first and make sure your heel dosent lift
Feb 6 2016 9:25AM
0 0
profile picture
KingTaco
Posts: 2510 - Karma: 2,829
Hopefully I can shed some light on this issue here which is a delicate balance of ski length to rider weight and height. I saw someone ask what side ski you're riding and you make reference to your skis being the "right length." However, the right riding length does not necessarily mean the right length for butters and nollies or tricks of that nature.

The issue comes down to center of gravity. The taller you are, in theory the longer the skis you should be able to butter. That's because you can get your weight out and over the tips or tails. If you're shorter, then your center of gravity is too low to press out the ends of a longer ski and you would require shorter skis. You can apply the same concept to weight. If you're a little stubby fat kid you might be able to butter a longer ski than a kid who is your same height and skinny.

I'm 5'4 and at one point was riding 178 Blends. Needless to say they were virtually impossible for me to butter despite being buttery skis. A little shorter at 171 would make all the difference. And even smaller than that i would be able to butter the hell out of them.

TLDR: If the ski is on the side of stiff you might need a size shorter to make it more butter-able for you. Even if the ski is "buttery", if its too big for you that will present a huge problem trying to butter. If you want to do nasty huge butters you will want a very soft ski in your exact size or maybe a touch small, but definitely not too long.
Feb 6 2016 3:45PM
0 0
All times are Eastern (-5)